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The Best of Windows Open Source Software? 930

Boiotos asks: "I'm cooking up a CD-ROM image of excellent Win32 Open Source software to give to friends and family who are intrigued by the whole OSS movement but don't know where to start. I figure once they're used to Mozilla and AbiWord under WinXP, a Linux partition would be less daunting. So fellow Slashdotters, how about it: what Win32 OSS projects deserve a place on the 650 Mb of Solid Gold? Remember, this is for non-geeks and families, so Cygwin is out (even though I love it) and games are in. Extra points, as always, to the obscure but beautiful. Finally, projects targeting only Win32 -- with no Free Unix crossover -- may apply, but will be subject to a strenuous physical test."
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The Best of Windows Open Source Software?

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  • Um... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Bonkers54 ( 416354 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @10:40PM (#4333421)
    Can you say Tux Racer?
  • CDex (Score:5, Informative)

    by A Commentor ( 459578 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @10:40PM (#4333422) Homepage
    CDex -> for converting their CDs to MP3...
    • by MaCa ( 45260 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @11:05PM (#4333672) Homepage
      CDex was the first OS project for windows (besides mozilla) that popped into mind. But if the idea is to make a CD to "educate" people into using OSS, then it would be a good idea to advocate the use of OGG/Vorbis - with CDex in this case.
    • Re:CDex (Score:3, Interesting)

      CDex -> for converting their CDs to MP3...
      Uh, no. Rather:

      CDex -> for converting their CDs to Ogg...

      ogg is free as in beer and speech, winamp plays them, and they sound great!

      • Re:CDex (Score:3, Informative)

        by scrytch ( 9198 )
        Be sure to include OggDS [everwicked.com] so they can play their .ogg files in Windows Media Player (yes I know "everwicked.com" looks bad, google for oggds if you don't believe the link)
  • Open Office (Score:5, Interesting)

    by 403Forbidden ( 610018 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @10:40PM (#4333424)
    www.openoffice.org
  • by HughsOnFirst ( 174255 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @10:40PM (#4333425)
    Cat got your tongue? (something important seems to be missing from your comment ... like the body or the subject!)
    • It's been some time since I used the Win32 GIMP port, but then it was a very unpleasant experience - basically it spent more time crashing than working. Maybe it has improved dramatically in that department, I'd love to hear that.

      Another great piece of free unix software with an immature win32 port is Xine - I'd give that a look-see as well.

    • by Plug ( 14127 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @11:06PM (#4333680) Homepage
      Most Windows users start out with MS Paint{,brush}. Compare this to the GIMP. Then compare it to Photoshop.

      Paint has the right idea in my Book of UI Design for Image Editors - a 'full screen' workspace for your image, tools that are kept outside the image, and menus that are accessed from the top of the screen.

      Photoshop take that one step further with tabbed palletes (as this comment [slashdot.org] says, perhaps that can't be replicated exactly without infringing copyright laws) - however, I expect with a few hours of work, someone familar with the GIMP could write a more usable (in this case, yes I mean more Windows-friendly) UI for it, moving all the menus to a MDI style application. Take THAT app and package it on your Windows OSS CD.

      GIMP has all the hard work done - the image tools are great, and wingimp claim to have 90% of PS's functionality. And you can't complain about 0% of the price.

      Windows people would only get confused by The GIMP. It looks like crap so normal users don't bother figuring out how to use it. Sure, some learning is always a good thing, but the interface is not only (IMO) counter-intuitive, it goes against the established norm, in a way that could be very easily fixed.
      • Well there are a few things that keep me from using the gimp for my own work, but the UI isn't one of them.
        It's pretty good, good enough for most people, and looks like a serious piece of software which makes it good for the "See, open source, free ( in both senses ) software can be very sophisticated." demo.

        Unfortunately for my own work the Gimp has some pretty serious shortcomings.
        You are limited to only 24 bits, and I really want to work in at 48 bit from 36 bit source.
        If there is color management or matching in this or any other program available on Linux I'd like to know about it.
        I'm not sure if the gamma and curve control is adequate, although given the first two limitations, it doesn't really matter.
        Windows just plain sucks except that you can run photoshop and some scanners on it, and printer support is pretty good.
        OSX looks pretty nice, maybe I'll buy a Mac.

        But back to the subject. People who want to buy Photoshop buy the hardware to match the software , as in " I want to keep 3 8k by 8s images open at once and do unsharp masks on them in about a half second. Sell me some hardware that will do that. "

        For everybody else, the gimp is fine.
        BTW, is anybody working on a deep color rewrite of the gimp?
        • and then your average Windows user melts

          and looks like a serious piece of software

          gtk on windows looks like the amatureish piece of crud anyone has ever written.

          When a Photoshop user sees it and starts laughing the only defence you can come up with is "at least it's free and not warezed"

          And then you try and use a 3000x5000 pixel image and watch it die a slow death.

      • I agree, Gimp might have great power, but it's usability sucks ass.

        I've been using photoshop for a long time and I remember and I remember how daunted I felt when I first used it, but the fact remains that it wasn't the interface that daunted me, it was not knowing what everything did and how to achieve the results I wanted that daunted me.

        Gimp on the other hand doesn't conform to any gui guidelines I've ever found. Is NOT intuitive to use. Every other graphics app around:
        Photoshop, Illustrator, Freehand, Corel, Pixia, Project Dogwaffle etc. all have a similar look and feel - you might not know how everything works, or how to get the best out of them straightaway, but you know where to look to try and you feel comfortable exploring. Even when you first open then, you can simply create a blank page and start drawing or painting as the interfaces are consistent.

        Like a lot of other comments have suggested GIMP would seriously benefit from having being a single app/MDI type of thing. As well as perhaps spending some time studying GUI guidelines or even just watching people using GIMP for the first. GIMP doesn't have to be a complete clone of Photoshop to succeed, afterall photoshop isn't perfect by any means, but it just doesn't cut it right now, which is a shame!
  • by pyman ( 610707 )
    to include XBill!!!
  • Gnucleus (Score:5, Informative)

    by DJ-Dodger ( 169589 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @10:41PM (#4333432) Homepage
    Gnucleus! Open Source gnutella file sharing. For once you can be REALLY sure that there isn't any spyware in your filesharing software!
  • by Plug ( 14127 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @10:41PM (#4333434) Homepage
    Don't bother with AbiWord - go straight to OpenOffice. It might not do everything that Office XP does, but it will do everything Microsoft Works (Suite?) does easily, and that's more likely to be what people get preinstalled on their PC.

    Also, make sure you find a way of installing good configurations for things (package Mozilla with Orbit for example, or use the new Phoenix browser), and package it all with a simple installer if possible. There's nothing worse than battling ten different types of installer ported from GTK/Qt/Xlib.
    • not to split hairs or slight the open office team, but it's been my experience that windows users prefer abiword first time around.

      my vote goes to abiword.

      oh course, you could just put them both on, since, you know, the whole "choice is good" thing....
    • by jvmatthe ( 116058 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @11:23PM (#4333844) Homepage
      Don't bother with AbiWord - go straight to OpenOffice.

      Not to put too fine a point on it, but screw that.

      One of the best parts of free software is choice and telling someone to forget Abi is crazy talk. Abi's only like 10-20Mb (I forget how big, maybe less) and makes a PERFECT drop-in solution for someone that wants the ability to create and print small documents (and maybe even big ones). It has a lot less overhead and will be faster on older machines. And since it reads some (but admittedly not all) DOC and RTF files, it may even just work for that occasional Word document that comes along.

      It's about choice and freedom. I mean, come on...give people things they need, not what you think they need.
    • by hub ( 78021 )
      I'd call that gratuitous bashing.

      Try running OpenOffice on my 5 yr old machine. You'll cry. AbiWord runs really decently.

      If you compare disk footprint, I see no reason to not provide AbiWord. The Windows installer is something like 5MB. How huge is OpenOffice installer? I know size does not make the software, but that can be a point to take care of if you want to stuff intelligently a medi limited in size (a CD will fill up really quickly).

      And AbiWord does pretty much what most MS Word user needs, but freely.
    • by smallstepforman ( 121366 ) on Thursday September 26, 2002 @04:35AM (#4334289)
      Dont forget the upcoming Gobe Productive 3. It will be open sourced just before Christmas, and I personally find it more satisfactory than the giant MSOffice
  • Don't forget the GIMP! It runs unders Windows just fine. In fact, when setting up a Windows machine for a friend (we're 100% Linux in my household, thank you) I made sure to install the GIMP, along with Mozilla, etc.
  • PuTTY (Score:4, Informative)

    by Professor Collins ( 604482 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @10:43PM (#4333443) Homepage
    I cannot imagine anyone using a Windows machine without the magnificent PuTTY [greenend.org.uk] ssh, telnet, and rlogin client. It is probably the best ssh programme I have ever had the pleasure of using, and its terminal emulator is superior to most xterms in many ways. Your CD collection would be incomplete without it.
    • Re:PuTTY (Score:4, Insightful)

      by 0x0d0a ( 568518 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @10:46PM (#4333481) Journal
      Hey, I thought you only trolled! What's with the good suggestions?

      PuTTY is a work of art. It's free, it's flexible, it's self-contained in one executable (no bloody installers!)...it's the single Windows program that I must have if I'm using a Windows machine.

      It can even emulate X11's middle-click-to-paste and select-to-copy mode. Absolutely wonderful.
      • Only problem is it keeps the settings in the registry. Put them in an ini file for easier reconfiging and it'd be 100% perfect.

        Though will people new to open source need putty for anything?
        • Re:PuTTY (Score:4, Funny)

          by cscx ( 541332 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @11:33PM (#4333930) Homepage
          Boo hoo. The registry is awesome! Reason? HKEY_CURRENT_USER is part of your roaming profile. Everything is hierarchicaly stored within it. If you ever want to transfer settings, just export a .REG file (a standard text file - be careful though, WinXP exports to Unicode text by default) and re-import it whereever you want.

          Plus, the registry keeps your home directory free from dot-file clutter. Or INI file clutter, in this case.

          Simply put, Registry >> INI files.
    • Re:PuTTY (Score:3, Insightful)

      by dotgod ( 567913 )
      Remember, this is for non-geeks and families

      Sorry, but I don't know too many non-geeks who have a need for an ssh/telnet client.

    • I agree that putty is an awesome terminal emulator. It's tiny, single-file, and requites no configuration.

      However, in minor objection, this is probably a geek tool, as most "family-oriented" PC's don't use much of telnet, SSH, or rlogin nowadays.

      I'll throw in a bit of pro-putty to say that almost anyone running a personal website with SSH should put putty somewhere they can get at it from. Whenever I'm away from home and the server needs tuning, it's a short download away - even with dialup (assuming that at least one of the FTP server or Apache are alive).

      Sometimes the simple tools are the best - phorm
    • Lol, putty. (Score:5, Funny)

      by BoomerSooner ( 308737 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @11:03PM (#4333649) Homepage Journal
      I can see it now...

      Me: Okay Grandma here's Putty, it's for connecting to my servers via ssh/sftp/ftp or telnet.

      Grandma: [confusion on face] what was that honey?

      Me: Oh come on now Grandma don't be coy. You know you've been secretly sshing into my servers to check your AOL mail via Pine.

      Grandma: [with a look on her face like she just smoked a QP of weed] huh?

      Me: Grandma? You still in there?

      I can see it now Putty for the family, everyone huddled around the PC roasting chestnuts, securing their linux boxes, checking top to see current system utilization, running ps to see if there are any runaway processes...

      lol, great post, PuTTY. I've got tears man, tears!
  • A few ideas. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by cadillactux ( 577893 ) <jr111@ca d i l lactux.org> on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @10:43PM (#4333446) Homepage
    These are a few of the ones I like.

    FreeeCiv [freeciv.org]
    OpenOffice [openoffice.org]
    and WinGimp [wingimp.com]
    I would love to hear more from everyone else.

  • by $carab ( 464226 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @10:44PM (#4333461) Journal
    Celestia [shatters.net] has to be some of the most awesome software Ive ever used. You can navigate the cosmos and it looks absolutely incredible! This would be a program I would use to show people how cool OSS is.
    • by pyrrho ( 167252 ) on Thursday September 26, 2002 @04:56AM (#4334381) Journal
      it is most godlike of you to mention this incredible program that I had not ever used before! I cannot believe how cool this is. Especially since I just a week or two ago went searching for such a program (much lower standards had I) and didn't find it. And the contributer sites with all kinds of spacecraft and moon models etc. etc. I have been wanting this program for years!

      btw, in my search I did find another very cool program [stellarium.free.fr] which renders the sky accurately and beautifully, which is also quite impressive. You might like it.
  • Does MAME Count? (Score:4, Informative)

    by Malic ( 15038 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @10:45PM (#4333466)
    The required ROMS make it kind of a gray app. But the full source IS available...
    • by SunPin ( 596554 )
      MAME absolutely rocks for the simple fact that it's easy to leave on for guests/parties.

      People are into video games but not into the complexity of modern games.

      As for being a "gray" app, there are plenty of freely availabe ROMs at Classic Gaming [classicgaming.com][classicgaming.com].

      MAME belongs on the CD.

      The only drawback--like most OSS programs--is that it requires a scope of seemingly unrelated skills to get started.

      M$ codes for morons. OS Developers code for their peers. Until "coding for morons" becomes the mantra of the movement, the CD will remain simply a demo and not a tool for revolution.

      --Chris Uzal, Editor, Cyberista [cyberista.com]

  • by reaper20 ( 23396 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @10:46PM (#4333482) Homepage
  • FreeCiv (Score:2, Informative)

    by E-Rock-23 ( 470500 )
    I'm pretty sure there's a FreeCiv [freeciv.org] client for Windoze. That way, when they make the switch (we can hope, right?), they'll have a little something familiar to jump into and play with...
  • Crossing Lines (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Murdock037 ( 469526 )
    I don't think the fact that it's open source is what's going to keep your family away from Linux. It probably has more to do with the fact that, for the unititiated, Linux can be confusing as hell.

    My computer usage is pretty much limited to games, web browsing, office work, and some image and video editing for school. I'm all for the idea of open source-- Mozilla's my browser of choice-- but installing and configuring Linux is beyond me. And I'm 20, so I've been using computers for about half my life.

    In short, open source isn't the roadblock to Linus usage. Just a thought.
  • by Packets ( 8071 ) <stephen@thornRAB ... minus herbivore> on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @10:48PM (#4333493) Homepage
    These are mostly server orientated - but they're free, and compile on windows: Apache [apache.org], PHP [php.net] and MySQL [mysql.com].

    Also a very addictive game called crack attack, which runs on windows and linux, and is under the GPL:
    Crack Attack [aluminumangel.org]

    Other things that you should consider include Python [python.org] and PyGame [pygame.org] (don't forget SDL as well!).

    [x]Chat [xchat.org] runs under windows (native), and is the only irc I'd consider using (beats the hell out of mirc).

    Putty [greenend.org.uk] is an open source ssh/telnet client. Its possibly the best telnet client for use under windows. Then again, could anything be worse than C:\Windows\Telnet.exe ?

    I've probably missed quite a few good ones, but these are things I seriously like.

    • Apache, PHP and MySQL...Python...
      And I quote:
      I'm cooking up a CD-ROM image of excellent Win32 Open Source software to give to friends and family who are intrigued by the whole OSS movement but don't know where to start.
      ...
      Remember, this is for non-geeks and families, so Cygwin is out (even though I love it) and games are in.
  • virtualdub (Score:5, Informative)

    by motardo ( 74082 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @10:49PM (#4333504)
    virtualdub [virtualdub.org]
    • VirtualDub is in my opinion the best application of its kind, commercial or otherwise. I use it on a daily basis, and it gives me precise and total control over my video processing. Not to mention the unbelievable assembly-optimized speed! VirtualDub is truly the Photoshop of video capture and linear editing.

      Those interested in VirtualDub might want to check out the new Unofficial Virtualdub Support Forums [everwicked.com]. They're a good place to get tips and help if you're just getting started with VirtualDub. Even though they're not "official" VirtualDub forums, VirtualDub author Avery Lee does drop by every once in a while.

      (Disclosure: I am one of the volunteer moderators on the site, in the newly inaugurated and not-yet-very-active VirtualDub Development Forum [everwicked.com].)

  • by jacobito ( 95519 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @10:49PM (#4333510) Homepage

    Aggie [bitworking.org] is an open source [opensource.org] news aggregator. Basically, you give it the URL to your favorite RSS feeds, it downloads and parses them, and then builds a web page with the headlines. The really nice thing about it is that it supports RSS autodiscovery [diveintomark.org], so in many cases, you can simply provide the URL to the site itself, and it will find the RSS feed for you.

    It does not use the GPL, but its license is considered open source by the OSI definition.

    Another caveat is that it is written in C# and thus requires the .NET framework to run, so it isn't portable to other operating systems (not yet [go-mono.com], at least). The upside is that the C# source code is fairly easy to follow, even for a dunce like me.

  • FreeAmp (Score:3, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @10:49PM (#4333511)
    FreeAmp [freeamp.org] plays MP3 and Ogg.
  • FileZilla (Score:2, Informative)

    by DeRobeHer ( 76234 )
    FileZilla is a fantastic opensource FTP client. There is also a FTP server component, which is just as good. It's much better than any shareware client out there.
  • by Boglin ( 517490 )
    Blender can now go on your list, as they've reached their 100k. It is my impression that the sources should be opened Pretty Soon now. They whole 3d graphics system or game engine may not appeal to Joe Average, but his kids will eat it up. Face it, how many of us originally got into programing so that we could make our own games?
  • A few.... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by FPhlyer ( 14433 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @10:51PM (#4333532) Homepage
    For the "Windows Only" Software:

    jzip (http://www.bytamin-c.com/Source/) - this is an unzipper, and a great replacement for WinZIP.

    For the Windows and Unix world try:

    Gimp for windows (http://www.gimp.org/~tml/gimp/win32/)

    And don't forget the games!

    The game of Go for windows (http://www.public32.com/games/go/)

    The Windows GNU gaming zone: (http://wggz.sourceforge.net/)
  • by sbaker ( 47485 )
    Gotta give 'em GIMP. Better than Photoshop - FREE!
  • I had the same idea, only I started out smaller: I sent a copy of Mozilla 1.0, Win98 version, to my father to keep him from having to spend $ on a pop-up blocker. Worked fine until he tried to print: crashed horribly, had to reboot five or six times and reinstall his printer drivers.

    Don't get me wrong: I loooooooooooooooooooooove Mozilla (use it on FreeBSD, got 2002090017 build -- latest I could find) and was really hoping to convert him to Mozilla (and then to LInux....mwuahahahahah!) I'm just wondering if anyone else has had similar problems.

    I know this is pretty damned useless as a diagnosis: I work on helpdesk for an ISP, and I always hate it when someone calls and says "My thing doesn't work with my other thing. Why?" I'm just wondering if Mozilla + Printers + Win98 == Kaboom! is a common thing, or just One Of Those Things.

    Anyhow, maybe throw in a copy of K-Meleon [sourceforge.net], or Ethereal [ethereal.com] if they want to see what browser everyone else is using :-).

    • Moz on windows borks out on me occasionally when printing (if I'm doing some heavy stuff). I'm running W2K, which usually is pretty stable, but Moz will take the whole system down (it reboots itself). Fun fun fun.
  • Text-based interactive fiction contains some of the most amazing games ever made, and most are free.

    There are several different IF environments -- TADS and Inform are the most popular, playable by TADS [ifarchive.org] and Frotz [geocities.com], respectively.

    There are many incredible games for both, but two of my favorites are Babel [wurb.com] and Toonesia [wurb.com]. This type of game loses most of its value if you cheat -- most of the value of the game is in gameplay.

    Give it a shot, and rack your brains...and don't get eaten by a grue.
  • Some unixisms? (Score:3, Informative)

    by Sabalon ( 1684 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @10:54PM (#4333564)
    How about Cygwin? X for Cygwin?

    gcc or djgcc or something to let people do free development for windows - kdevelop ported to Win32?

    vim!!! (though that may not be a good idea for people who have never seen VI

    Does Blender have a win port?

    Apache - how to have a safer web server.

    VNC - for people who want to do work from home (or abuse works high speed connection)
    • Does Blender have a win port?

      Yes. But it's technically not free yet. The sources "freeing" ceremony (and I believe the first version distributed as source and builds of it) will be Sunday October 13th. Incidentally, I'll be there in Amsterdam for it. :)

  • I hadn't been a GAIM fan before, but there is a Win32 port out (not perfect), but it does have the tabbed conversation window thing going on, which may impress those used to standard AIM interface. If you've got a couple spare meg, toss it on. :)
  • How about... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by djupedal ( 584558 )
    ...throwing in the SUSE demo that runs from CD. This way they can do more than just wonder, and it won't involve reworking their HD in the process. After all, the goal is to get them off Windows, not make them so comfortable they'll stay.

    Or is this some ploy from another MS shill, looking for ideas, and/or converts to drink yet more of the kookaid....
  • dia (Score:3, Informative)

    by ibirman ( 176167 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @10:55PM (#4333568) Homepage
    Not nearly as complete as Visio, but it gets the job done nicely and saves in an open xml based format to boot. Does not crash as much as Visio either and sure costs less.

    The home page is at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/ [lysator.liu.se]

  • by jvmatthe ( 116058 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @10:56PM (#4333579) Homepage
    Although they're not always "easy to set up", they might be decent examples of what can be done. The ones I've included on a CD of free software for friends include:
    • FreeCiv [freeciv.org] - free Civ 1/2 clone
    • Tux Racer [tuxracer.com] - downhill racing game
    • Tux Typing [geekcomix.com] - typing tutor
    • IceBreaker [mattdm.org] - Jezzball clone
    • Maelstrom [devolution.com] - networkable, cool Asteroids clone
    • Angband [angband.org] - best dungeon crawl ever!
    • Chromium BSU [reptilelabour.com] - neat-o OpenGL 2D shooter

    I'm sure there are others I'm forgetting, but that's a good start. Hopefully other posters will list their faves...
  • PHP Edit (Score:4, Interesting)

    by friedmud ( 512466 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @10:56PM (#4333583)
    Even though it isn't for linux - it is GPL and therefor OSS.

    http://www.phpedit.net/ [phpedit.net]

    Quite a good prog - even though I dont use windows anymore.

    Beyond that Quanta is a great program that does the same stuff - but for linux.

    Derek
  • Virtual Dub [virtualdub.org] rules. If you do any work with video on Windows, it is essential.

    Virtual Dub is much more stable and its interface is much more streamlined than most other free software. Plus it has probably the most robust AVI read/write code ever offered. Out-of-spec files that crash other video programs, Virtual Dub chews 'em up and spits 'em out.

  • K-Meleon [sourceforge.net] is a nice little Win32 web browser that uses the Gecko rendering engine from the Mozilla project. Though still just a bit rough around the edges, it is an impressive piece of work; it is quite fast, and very customizable. The latest beta versions include tabbed browsing, a feature I can't live without. If they add URL autocomplete, the browser will be very suitable for day-to-day use.

    The development team appears to be rather small, and they release infrequently. I recommend grabbing the last beta release [sf.net], and not the last public release, which is old.

    I believe that K-Meleon is released under the GPL.

  • Virtualdub [virtualdub.org] is excellent video editing software. Easy to get started with and *very* powerful. I use it to back up all of my DVDs. Give it a try.
  • by ryanvm ( 247662 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @11:00PM (#4333610)
    I wrote a little utility that allows you to have window transparency under Windows 2000 and XP. It's called Vitrite [insightbb.com], and it's licensed under the GPL.

    It certainly isn't in the same league as Mozilla and OpenOffice, but you'll definately have room for it on your CD (only 85 KB).

    And yes it's the same utility I've been pimping in my sig for months now.
  • Vim editor (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Creosote ( 33182 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @11:01PM (#4333626) Homepage
    The Windows port of the Vim editor [vim.org] is a sine qua non. Except for not being able to use interesting pipe commands, the PC port will do anything in the world one might want to do with a text document, and it has just enough GUI functionality to be useful without being intrusive.
  • Jabber (Score:5, Informative)

    by jacobito ( 95519 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @11:03PM (#4333648) Homepage

    Many open source Jabber [jabber.org] clients are available, so maybe you can get your friends to use open source software with an open instant messaging protocol!

    Personally, I use PSI [sourceforge.net] when using Windows, but there are others out there that may be just as good. I do believe, though, that Psi is cross-platform, which may be a plus.

  • by mrsam ( 12205 )
    Well, there's always Amaya [w3c.org], W3C's HTML editor/browser. I think they have a Win32 build.

    Amaya's been around for a long time, but not many people know about it, which is a real shame. It's a nice HTML editor, and produces very clean, HTML 4.0 compliant code. It supports CSS, and many other related web technologies. Check it out.
  • What I use... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by dasunt ( 249686 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @11:04PM (#4333658)

    OpenOffice.org
    Miranda ICQ
    Mozilla
    Putty
    XNview
    Audacity
    TuxRacer
    GLTron
    Povray
    FreeCiv
    Kakepad
    FileZilla
    Xchat
    CDex

    All GPL (I believe), and hopefully I didn't include anything too geeky.

  • by Mike McCune ( 18136 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @11:08PM (#4333697) Homepage
  • The BYU UUG (Score:5, Interesting)

    by omnirealm ( 244599 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @11:10PM (#4333710) Homepage

    During the summer, I suggested [mail-archive.com] to my local Unix Users Group that we put together a campaign on campus dubbed "Software for Starving Students." The idea is that we would advocate the use of Free Software among the student body at BYU.

    The ball got rolling, and we put together a CD image [byu.edu] that we burned and handed out to students from a booth in the student center. We selected OpenOffice, Mozilla, The Gimp, BZFlag, and AbiWord in the most recent incarnation.

    Last week, we gave out 400 copies of the CD from the booth. I mentioned to the group that if we did the math the way Microsoft does math [microsoft.com], with each disc, we saved a student around $1,300. The 400 copies from last week combined with the 180 copies we gave out during the summer comes to around 3/4 of a million dollars with of savings to the student body! :-)

    I, of course, took every opportunity to explain to passerby who accepted the disc about the multiple meanings of the word "free." The club president was making people promise to copy the software and give it to their friends in exchange for receiving the disc. Our Linux Install Fest last Saturday kept the classroom packed with students who heard about Linux and wanted us to install it on their computers for them.

    I'm happy to say that we're [byu.edu] doing our part to keep Linux from getting "stomped." [slashdot.org]

  • by $carab ( 464226 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @11:11PM (#4333723) Journal
    I'd like to nominate Anna the Chatbot, licensed under the GPL. Sure, it requires Java 2 1.4 to run, but it can be quite the way to kill some time.

    And there are some lonely evenings when - waaaait....Let's not go there......
  • Egoboo (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Skwirl ( 34391 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @11:11PM (#4333726) Homepage
    Egoboo [sourceforge.net] is a top-down dungeon crawler written with the Quake 2 engine. The authors cite Nethack as a major influence but it plays a lot more like Zelda64.

    The last time I checked (which was several months ago) Egoboo wasn't quite ready for prime time, but it's fun enough that I doubt anybody will care and the installation and setup was painless. It's certainly a project to keep an eye on.

    • Not Quake 2 (Score:3, Informative)

      by Earlybird ( 56426 )
      Egoboo doesn't use the Quake 2 engine. It uses the Quake 2 modeler program. The engine is its own, a top-down tile-based 3D engine.
  • by papasui ( 567265 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @11:11PM (#4333727) Homepage
    VNC for several platforms.
  • Please Be Aware! (Score:5, Informative)

    by jaaron ( 551839 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @11:16PM (#4333772) Homepage
    Please note that there is already a project currently working on this. You may want to combine forces since they've been working on this since this last spring.

    Check out the OpenCD project at
    http://www.theopencd.org/ [theopencd.org]

    You are free to work on your on project of course, but I HATE to see duplication of effort.
  • by Politas ( 1535 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @11:46PM (#4334013) Homepage Journal
    Probably not much call for remote control software for most end-users, but MS is promoting it in XP for consumers to use when calling up helpdesks, so VNC is a great GPLed solution.

    http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/
  • Ghostview/GSview (Score:5, Informative)

    by AJWM ( 19027 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @11:50PM (#4334051) Homepage
    A great little multiplatform Postscript and PDF (Acrobat) viewer.

    Here's [wisc.edu] the Ghostscript, home page, and the GSview-specific [wisc.edu] page.
  • by Robin Hood ( 1507 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @11:52PM (#4334062) Homepage
    Seriously -- if the idea is to make a Linux partition seem less daunting, put the Win32 version of Vim on there. It won't take up too much room (about 3.7 MB or so as of version 6.1) and it's a very straightforward install. Reasons for including vim? Well:

    1) Every UNIX machine in the world has vi on there somewhere. Emacs may or may not be installed, depending on the preference of the sysadmin. But if you at least know four or five basic editing & navigation commands in vi, then you'll be fine if you wind up trying to use a strange UNIX system somewhere.

    2) You can actually describe it in a way that won't be horrifically intimidating. Tell them it's a replacement for Notepad with a lot more features. And you can use the mouse if you want, but there's keyboard shortcuts for everything: once you learn them, you'll be twice as fast with Vim as with any other editor.

    3) Vim's built-in tutorial (":help tutor") -- I wouldn't even mention it as a possibility without this one.

    Yeah, a lot of people will hate Vim and run back to Notepad. But if they try it and get at least as far as finishing the tutorial, they won't be COMPLETELY lost when they first try Linux and have to edit a text file.
    • by JoeBuck ( 7947 )

      Your last line is completely wrong: a user does not have to get familiar with vim to avoid being completely lost when they have to edit a text file on Linux. The fact that you believe otherwise means that I ask you to stay away from potential Linux converts.

      No person coming from the Windows or Mac world has ever seen a moded editor in the style of vi. Every other editor in the world, from Notepad to Emacs, lets the user just start typing and the text gets entered correctly. Like everyone who's been in the Unix world a long time, I can use vi if I must, but I'd rather not. Emacs has many flaws as well; its choice of keybindings is rather antique, but at least they are changeable. Better still to give new users a decent text-editing widget.

      If the user you inflict vim on thinks that she'll have to put up with such things on Linux, you're not going to get a convert.

      vi/vim should be available for those who explicitly want it, but we don't need any new converts to the cult.

  • by Delgul ( 515042 ) <(ln.retlifmapsenilno) (ta) (drareg)> on Thursday September 26, 2002 @03:59AM (#4334140) Homepage
    I would be very interested to have a copy... Can you post the ISO somewhere for us to burn? I have some interested family members too, as I guess otheres here will have too!

  • WinVim! (Score:5, Funny)

    by kfg ( 145172 ) on Thursday September 26, 2002 @04:52AM (#4334358)
    And if they don't run screaming from the room you know you've got some future geeks on your hand. :)

    KFG
  • by Kris Warkentin ( 15136 ) on Thursday September 26, 2002 @07:48AM (#4335031) Homepage
    Some WICKED Windows OpenGL screensavers (best fireworks sim I've ever seen among others.) All source code under GPL.

    http://www.reallyslick.com/
  • OpenOffice. (Score:3, Informative)

    by supabeast! ( 84658 ) on Thursday September 26, 2002 @07:52AM (#4335046)
    OpenOffice 1.0 on Windows is excellent. It is not perfect, but it does not crash nearly as much as Office XP does, and StarCalc can be like crack to spreadsheet users.
  • by vaxer ( 91962 ) <sylvar@NOSpAm.vaxer.net> on Thursday September 26, 2002 @08:27AM (#4335223) Homepage
    Liquid War [ufoot.org] is addictive, fast-paced, and easy to learn. Perhaps best of all, there's no installation routine. Unzip it and run it, and watch your cat disappear under a pile of laundry as everything outside the game ceases to be interesting.
  • Freshmeat (Score:3, Informative)

    by broody ( 171983 ) on Thursday September 26, 2002 @09:04AM (#4335496)
    Freshmeat lists the Win32 projects by popularity [freshmeat.net] and by rating [freshmeat.net]. You can probably find more download sites that let you filter by license.
  • litestep (Score:3, Informative)

    by Khopesh ( 112447 ) on Thursday September 26, 2002 @09:25AM (#4335632) Homepage Journal
    nobody has mentioned LiteStep [litestep.com]!
    LiteStep is a replacement desktop environment released under the GPL.

    I have nine desktops, can drag windows between them, I have cpu and ram meters, quick-launch buttons and shortcuts, and can even drag windows from other destkops anywhere (don't think you can do that in most desktop envs).

    with litestep and mozilla, unless I have a windows [file] explorer open, there's no MS except the system (kernel, services) running - which means with the multiple-instances-of-explorer option, I need not worry about [i]explore[r].exe crashing.

    and (obviously) there is theming [litestep.com]

    other GPL windows projects of interest:
    FreeCiv [freeciv.org] Civilization (one and/or two+) clone
    Gaim [sourceforge.net] AIM/yahooim/msnim/icq/jabber/... client
    and the already mentioned cygwin, vim, gimp, mozilla.

    if you hunt for it, there's a cygwin version of gvim that allows unix paths, etc. but uses X.

    Xfree86 for cygwin [cygwin.com] is now prime-time (in installer) and works really well with windowmaker and openbox, but lacks integration with ms windows as the wm (the way eXceed, winaXe, XwinPro, and Xthin do). please, please contribute to that somebody!
  • by SethJohnson ( 112166 ) on Thursday September 26, 2002 @12:19PM (#4337116) Homepage Journal


    I like to use
    streamripper [sourceforge.net] to record internet radio shows to mp3 files. I'll then record these to mp3 cdrws that I listen to in my cdplayer while I ride my bike to work. BTW- a bike is another good open source product, but it doesn't run on windows as well as it does the street.
    Seth
  • PySol (Score:3, Informative)

    by TheSnakeMan ( 59408 ) on Thursday September 26, 2002 @03:09PM (#4338609)
    A couple of ACs posted it, but didn't get modded up and I don't have any mod points right now.

    Solitaire, written in Python. Better than any other solitaire games I've seen (including some commercial). There are something like 200 different solitaire games built in.

    It can be found here [oberhumer.com].

    There isn't a windows build on the page, it's python, dude.

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