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How Do You Get Work Done?

Posted by Cliff on Sun Jul 27, 2003 11:22 AM
from the motivational-pointers dept.
canuck asks: "I am currently a university student and have a major problem: being able to simply sit down and get work done. I can set aside a day to work, whether it is homework or contract work, and I will be lucky to have an hour done before dinner time. The only time I can actually get solid work done seems to be after midnight under a lot of pressure (ie. a deadline the next day). This has led to too many 5 a.m. nights and turning down too many invitations to go out only to stay in and accomplish nothing. I have stopped playing games, stopped watching TV, tried reading the Seven Habits book, and am currently seeing what classical music does for me. I don't think I have ADHD, and I am not sure what else to try. If it is computer work, the web is always a click away, and I can always escape to my imagination. I know many of you will have had the same problem. Can anyone please give advice on how to overcome this problem, be it a little trick, medication, or anything else?"
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  • by Delphix (571159) * on Sunday July 27 2003, @11:22AM (#6544694)
    Exercise would be my first recommendation. It will keep your sleep habits in line pretty well. Physical activity seems to be what's missing from most of our lives today. If I don't make it to the gym, my schedule will slip quickly to 1AM, 2AM, 4AM...which isn't good since I left college years ago ;-) The other thing I would recommend is finding a buddy to go do exercise with you. It helps if you're both accountable to each other for showing up. And just having someone to do it with you doesn't hurt. This carries over to work as well. I'd imagine you sit there thinking about a million things, but you can't concentrate on what you need to do because it seems like you can put it off. The later, you wind up with many things to do and little time. You get a bunch of work done at this point, but there's so much you have trouble keeping up with it. I had the very same problem in college. Another thing that might help you is getting a job a couple hours a week. As long as I've had something constant to do, it's kept me going. Just don't get something that follows you home...go there, do your work and then head to class or do some homework. Honestly, part of it is just sheer will as well. You have to resist the urge to just read a page and put stuff down. Set a bedtime for yourself and a wake up time for yourself and follow them. That's about the best advice I can give you. If you do have some mental disorder such as ADHD only a psychologist can diagnose it. Although many times it's over diagnosed.
    • Gumption traps (Score:5, Interesting)

      by RobotWisdom (25776) on Sunday July 27 2003, @11:52AM (#6544954) Homepage
      Some of the best advice I've seen in print is in Pirsig's "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance". But the details are hazy, so I'll give you my persoanl take:

      - if you're struggling within yourself, you're lost. Learn to recognise this mental state (of internal struggle) and drop it immediately.

      - instead, look with detachment at the 'lazy' half of the struggle. The more clearly you see it, the less power it will have.

      - once the laziness is clearly seen, visualise yourself beginning the task, in detail. You can do this lying in bed or anywhere, but the important thing is to get over the initial hump, and sort out a clear picture of the first steps you need to take.

      It's this startup-barrier that's the real problem, but reducing it to a manageable size is just a question of thinking it out clearly (not sweating, exercising, or promising rewards or threats).

      • Set smaller goals (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Gudlyf (544445) <gudlyfNO@SPAMrealistek.com> on Sunday July 27 2003, @01:56PM (#6545723) Homepage Journal
        "... reducing it to a manageable size..."

        My wife has worked with ADHD kids and tells me this is the best thing she's seen to focus and motivate them to produce (other than intrisic motivation, which is of course the best motivator, but this technique does lead to intrisic motivation).

        Think about what you should be able to accomplish in 15 minutes. Set an egg-timer for 15 minutes, and do that task you visualized. You can eventually work up to larger increments. You'll probably find yourself beating the timer in some cases.

        I know it sounds simplistic, but knowing that pressure seems to be a large motivator for you, the motivation of knowing that bell is going to go off sounds like it might do the trick. This stuff works on adults as well as children. In my wife's experience, it's never failed her (with her students).

        • Re:Set smaller goals (Score:5, Interesting)

          by customizedmischief (692916) on Sunday July 27 2003, @03:38PM (#6546362)
          I have severe ADD and a job that requires me to work independantly and get stuff done. I have been using an egg-timer that I have modified (busted) so that it is too quiet for my coworkers to hear outside of my cube. This keeps the lynch mobs at bay.

          I keep a list right next to the timer and when something comes up that needs doing but isn't what is at the top of my list (a distraction), I write it down on the list. Since the egg timer interrupts me every few minutes, I don't find myself pissing away as much time when I do get distrsacted.

          Another reason my mind wanders is boredom. I always make sure I switch tasks when the timer rings if I can switch and come back later without losing my place in what I was doing. That way, I am always doing something new and I don't just give up and go read slashdot.

          This also helps with procrastination. I find it easier to start on even the most odious tasks if I know that in 10 minutes, I can put it down for a bit and catch up on my email.
      • Re:Gumption traps (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Lucidus (681639) on Sunday July 27 2003, @02:32PM (#6545913)
        The ideas from "Zen..." are superb advice; the problem is that it's very hard to state them clearly and succinctly.

        For me, guilt was always a reliable indicator--if I was feeling bad about something (whether it was something I was supposed to be doing, or something I had already done), then I knew I couldn't function effectively. As long as you are beating yourself up, there is no way you can do your best work.

        I think this may be happening to you, because you state that you have stopped playing games and watching TV, which suggests that you are punishing yourself in an attempt to improve your behavior. This simply won't work, as you have observed.

        Instead, when you find yourself struggling with these feelings, just stop it. Recognize that it is counter-productive to think bad things about yourself. Once you can dissociate your thinking from your emotional baggage, you really can see things much more clearly.

        At that point, you can calmly decide to start whatever task is before you. Once you are over the initial hump, the momentum of what you are doing should carry you forward.

        And do give yourself a break once in awhile. If you are not enjoying life, then what's the point of getting on with it? Good luck.
    • by atempleton (216089) on Sunday July 27 2003, @12:08PM (#6545073)
      I have had similar experiences and I focus on two solutions:

      1) Regular exercise (even 20 minutes of brisk walking each day can help) and keep the coffee consumption fairly low (it tends to make you scatter brained)
      2) Break projects down into smaller chunks. For example, if you have 100 pages to read, break it down into 10 10-page chunks and do them one at a time with breaks in between. Or if it's a complicated project, break it into steps and follow a similar pattern.

      The only other thing is to JUST GET STARTED. Sometimes the first chunk/step is the hardest step. Just do it, as they say....
      • by MCZapf (218870) * on Sunday July 27 2003, @12:39PM (#6545298)
        I have to agree with your "JUST GET STARTED" advice. That's the first thing I thought when I read this article. For me, I was often overwhelmed by the large scope of some projects, and I didn't know where to start. Or worse, I just didn't have the motivation to start.

        But, if I just started doing some work, even if it was the most half-assed prototyping, my mind soon got into gear and I got going. It also helps me to start working when I think I don't have time for it, such as an hour before I had to go to class. The artificial deadline made me want to finish up whatever little task I had started before I went to class.

        I've tried setting aside whole days for projects, and it never works. I always goof off because I feel I have so much time on my hands.

        • by Skeezix (14602) <jamin@pubcrawler.org> on Sunday July 27 2003, @03:14PM (#6546213) Homepage
          I identify completely. For me the biggest hurdle to overcome is getting started because when I have some task that seems enormous, I get overwhelmed. I look at all the things I have to do rather than focusing on taking the first step. When I actually do get to it, I realize it's often not so bad, and after getting that first step done, I have a sense of accomplishment which pushes me to take the second step, the third, and so on...

          I struggle with this in almost every area of my life: my professional career, work at home, spare-time hacking, even romance. The only way I can really get stuff done is to take it in chunks. The thought of cleaning the entire house may be daunting, but certainly the thought of loading the dishwasher isn't so bad. And after I'm done with that, mopping the kitchen floor isn't that big of a task, and so on....

    • by Alan Cox (27532) on Sunday July 27 2003, @12:26PM (#6545212) Homepage
      You can put all your "distracting" applications into a group that your "work" login doesn't allow access to. You can remove the network cable except in specific pre-planned periods.

      Nowdays I have to get a lot done, and there are a few things I've found very helpful (and believe me I used to do my homework in the lesson it was being handed in for 8))

      - If I think of something else that needs doing I write it down, I don't start doing it disrupting the current task
      - If I think of stuff late in the evening I write it down so I dont spent the night trying not to forget it
      - Split big tasks quickly into a list of little subtasks, cross them off as you finish them
      - Don't sit on irc , its the ultimate productivity killer and distraction bar none (some people seem to swear by putting all their non "work" stuff on a seperate desktop so its not in their vision except when they take a break)
      - Remember you can read your email just once or twice a day. Ditto web news sites/slashdot
      - Don't look at a pile of things and think I really ought to be doing something. Do *something* even if its pick the easiest looking task to knock off the list.
      - When you build up a pile of tasks that can't be done in the required time (wait for final year university 8)) prioritize them and cross of stuff you have to discard, don't sit around doing nothing because you can't do them all.
      - Get into a routine (I'm dire at this but when it works it helps). Get up read email, go do work the same pattern every day.

      Ultimately though its about willpower., someone suggested exercise, one good exercise way to learn about relaxation and willpower is martial arts. Not all of them are about beating the crap out of people (although if you like that sort of competitive thing there are plenty to choose from), others like Aikido are much more about self control and at the extreme soft end they verge into deeply internal things like T'ai Chi .

    • by oscarcar (208055) on Sunday July 27 2003, @12:43PM (#6545322) Homepage
      Heavily agree with above posts.

      In addition, to get your circadian cycle in sync (which gives you more energy) you can do these things:

      1. It's more important to wake up at the same time. You can't always force yourself to sleep, but your body will entrain if you force yourself to get up at the same time each morning. That means NO sleeping in on weekends.

      2. Expose yourself to light first thing in the morning. Preferably, I would suggest going outside but you can also get specific lights that simulate sunlight.

      3. When you excerise, the best time to do that is several hours before going to bed.

      Programmers tend to have delayed-phase sleep syndrome (which means we like to stay up late).
      People who are delayed-phase, tend to migrate toward those jobs they can do at late hours and don't have to wake up at a specific time to do them.

      • by enthused i swear (641133) on Sunday July 27 2003, @12:10PM (#6545090)
        I would NOT recommend caffeine of any kind. In fact, stop drinking it all together. I used to have the same problem you did, and nothing seemed to be able to change it. There have been many threads on ./ about the effects of caffeine, and for more information I suggest looking there. Basically, when you need sleep and take caffeine, the caffeine blocks your body from feeling tired, while still having all of the effects of drowsiness. You're brain is asleep, but your body is awake and you lose cognitive functions.

        I used to be very addicted to caffeine, but quit because if i missed drinking coffee or a coke, I started to get horrible headaches, and it just scared me too much. As an added bonus, my productivity shot up quite a bit. It really is all about regulating sleep for maximum concentration. I highly recommend a normal sleep schedule and stay away from caffeine. (IANAD)
        • by fafaforza (248976) on Sunday July 27 2003, @12:48PM (#6545347)
          I don't think the problem here is lack of energy, but rather procrastination. People procrastinate for various reasons. Whether you absolutely hate what you have to do, or whether you are sure that whatever you come up with will not be acceptable in quality, at which point you blow it off til 1AM the night before, and blame subpar results on not giving it much effort in the first place.

          A better approach would be trying to analyze why exactly the author of this Ask Slashdot is pushing work off til the last possible moment.

          This [amazon.com] book might help him get a firmer grip on understanding the exact reason. It has a chapter on procrastination and seems to address exactly what he described.

          Good luck.
          • by Lemmy Caution (8378) on Sunday July 27 2003, @01:38PM (#6545623) Homepage
            There's a split here between those who look for moral explanations, and those who look for explanations in substrata.

            I'd try changing diet and habits like caffiene first. Attentive mechanisms in the brain are neurochemical, like everything else in the brain. I know it's a horrifying idea for some, but the fact is that we are physical, material beings, and our minds and personalities are products of that physicality. If those basic changes don't help, then it's appropriate to look at self-help or personality-based issues. But all the self-help in the world won't do a bit of good if you're going against hardware.
            • by commodoresloat (172735) on Sunday July 27 2003, @03:14PM (#6546211)
              Mind and body are really one and the same; the split between them is artificial. So changing diet, exercise, etc., will not just improve the physical aspects of attentiveness but also the mental/emotional. I think as you exercise more, quit caffeine, or eat better, you might find that your motivation increases and you may find yourself facing the emotional challenges in your personality in a healthier way.
        • by einhverfr (238914) <chris.travers@gmail.com> on Sunday July 27 2003, @02:04PM (#6545779) Homepage Journal
          IANAD either, but I find that caffine helps me in moderation. Moderation being what most /.'ers probably call insanely low levels ;-)

          I drink 1-2 cups of green tea a day. This gives me a small level of caffine on a daily basis. If I miss a day or two, no problem, but if I miss a month or two, I start to see how my schedule slips.... I also try to get 8 hrs of sleep a night, etc.

          Bear in mind, I do have ADD (official diagnosis), so your milage may vary.

          I think too many people use Caffine as a way of staying awake when they should be sleeping. This is a big problem. Excersize also helps, but the caffine helps me too.

          My general advice is:

          1: Try to live a healthy lifestyle-- eat well, sleep well, excersize.

          2: Small ammounts of caffine within this framework are not a problem but don't use it to abuse your body.

          3: Experiment with avoiding things like tobacco, alcohol, caffine etc. and see how your body responds.
          • by blueskies (525815) on Sunday July 27 2003, @12:13PM (#6545115) Journal
            Uh, I have heard quotes that the lethal dose is anywhere from 4-8 grams of caffeine.

            The LD-50 is 10 grams: [geocities.com]
            The LD-50 (lethal dosage that would kill approximately 50% of the population) is 10 grams of oral administration. This is equivalent to approximately 100 cups of coffee, or 50 Vivarin pills. One exceptional case documented survival after ingesting 24 grams of caffeine. The minimum lethal dose of caffeine given intravenously was 3.2 grams.

            While coffee drinkers often have caffeine blood concentration of about 1-10 mg/L, a concentration of 80 mg/L is considered lethal.


            And like the poster before me said, that would be 100oz.
        • by Glonoinha (587375) on Sunday July 27 2003, @12:53PM (#6545378) Journal
          Actually he is right, moreso if he tweaks it just a bit by making it difficult but not impossible to access.

          Want to get serious work done? Walk across the room and disconnect the network cable from the wall. Really need access (like to submit your homework, as you suggested) walk over and plug it in, submit your work, and then unplug it again.

          For someone that is easily distracted, removing the ease of distraction (ie, a direct connect to the net) is better than Ritalin.
      • by commodoresloat (172735) on Sunday July 27 2003, @03:25PM (#6546280)
        Ritalin is a class two drug with side effects similar to cocaine. Frankly, no kid anywhere should be ingesting it, and neither should you.

        Definitely. Cocaine is much cheaper and easier to come by, and you don't need a Doctor's prescription.

      • by Viv (54519) on Sunday July 27 2003, @03:37PM (#6546356)

        My question is (and this is REALLY going to piss off some people), does ADD/ADHD REALLY EXIST? Is it an officially recognized disorder by the CDC or some other government body, or well-respected independent body? Or is this a massive bullshit campaign?

        It's simple -- check the DSM IV. The DSM-IV is the fouth edition of the criteria professional psychologists use to diagnose mental disorders. It is essentially the bible of psychology. And according to the DSM-IV, ADHD does exist. The DSM-IV definition is apparently:

        Attention-deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder

        * Persisting for at least 6 months to a degree that is maladaptive and immature, the patient has either inattention or hyperactivity-impulsivity (or both) as shown by:
        Inattention. At least 6 of the following often apply:
        -Fails to pay close attention to details or makes careless errors in schoolwork, work or other activities
        -Has trouble keeping attention on tasks or play
        -Doesn't appear to listen when being told something
        -Neither follows through on instructions nor completes chores, schoolwork, or jobs (not due to oppositional behavior or failure to understand)
        -Has trouble organizing activities and tasks
        -Dislikes or avoids tasks that involve sustained mental effort (homework, schoolwork)
        Loses materials needed for activities (assignments, books, pencils, tools, toys)
        Easily distracted by extraneous stimuli
        Forgetful
        Hyperactivity-Impulsivity. At least 6 of the following often apply:
        HYPERACTIVITY
        -Squirms in seat or fidgets
        -Inappropriately leaves seat
        -Inappropriately runs or climbs (in adolescents or adults, the may be only a subjective feeling of restlessness)
        -Has trouble quietly playing or engaging in leisure activity
        -Appears driven or "on the go"
        -Talks excessively
        IMPULSIVITY
        -Answers questions before they have been completely asked
        -Has trouble or awaiting turn
        -Interrupts or intrudes on others

        * Begins before age 7.

        * Symptoms must be present in at least 2 types of situations, such as school, work, home.

        * The disorder impairs school, social or occupational functioning.

        * The symptoms do not occur solely during a Pervasive Developmental Disorder or any psychotic disorder including Schizophrenia.

        * The symptoms are not explained better by a Mood, Anxiety, Dissociative or Personality Disorder.

        Code Number is based on the symptoms during the past 6 months:

        314.00 Attention-deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder, Predominantly Inattentive Type. The patient has recently met the criteria for inattention but not for hyperactivity-impulsivity.

        314.01 Attention-deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder, Predominantly Hyperactive-Impulsive Type. The patient has recently met the criteria for hyperactivity-impulsivity but not for inattention.

        314.01 Attention-deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder, Combined Type. The patient has recently met the criteria for both inattention and hyperactivity-impulsivity. (Most ADHD children have symptoms of the Combined Type.)

        Specify "In Partial Remission" for patients (especially adults or adolescents) whose current symptoms do not fulfill the criteria.

      • by Sixty4Bit (6131) on Sunday July 27 2003, @03:49PM (#6546437) Homepage
        I felt the same way as you regarding ADD. It doesn't really exist. As a matter of fact, I had the exact same argument: How can you not be able to accomplish something at school or work, yet play games into the middle of the night with unbreakable concentration?

        Games are short term goals. The longest games last an hour or two at most. And even then, there are even shorter term goals within a single game. One could argue that FPS games have the shortest term goals of any game out there. Every second that you haven't been killed, you have reached a goal. If you happen to kill a person AND not get killed, you get two goals in one second! But I digress.

        Work, on the other hand, often requires longer term goals. You have to spend many hours dedicated to one task to achieve a goal. One trick is to break that long term goal into several short term goals. Another trick is to take goals off of your task list. This is the one that I needed to do. I was getting so upset with myself for not working, when I thought I should be that it caused many internal problems. You have to know when to play and when to work. You must make it OK to enjoy life a little. I would always feel guilty about playing until I decided that it was OK to play online for a couple of hours.

        The problem is not just one little thing that can be fixed with a pill. It takes training and self discipline... and a pill. For over 20 years I tried to convince myself that I did not have ADD, that I was just lazy. I joined the U.S. Navy to prove it to myself. Guess what? I have ADD. I need a pill to help my brain concentrate on one thing at a time. I sought help from a counselor, who then sent me to see a psychiatrist for one reason, and one reason only; to get a prescription for my ADD. You see, I am a smart guy, I have drive and determination, I am good at video games, but no matter how much I wanted it, or how much I tried, I could not stay focused on a single task for any length of time. I walked into the psychiatrist's office and we started chatting. Within 10 minutes she tells me that she knows what my problem is and has only one question to ask. She asked me, "So, how much coffee do you drink a day?" "Well, I don't drink coffee, I drink Dr. Pepper. And I drink about 3 liters a day."

        Come to find out, caffeine has the same effect on the brain as Ritalin. There are actually about 7 different types of ADD, each with a different symptoms and treatments. The severe cases require Ritalin. Mild cases require exercise and counseling. I fall somewhere in the middle and take a different kind of medication. I am down to 1 liter of Dr. Pepper and two pills a day :) I will be on the two pills for the rest of my life. Which really stinks, but I am up for promotion, so I guess it doesn't stink to bad.

        My advice, don't waste your life fighting a losing battle. Go see a counselor and find out how to fight your particular problem. I didn't want to admit to myself that I had ADD and it cost me some of the best years of my life.
  • by eaglebtc (303754) * on Sunday July 27 2003, @11:23AM (#6544698)
    You may not have ADHD (Attention Deficit-Hyperactivity Disorder), but you may have ADD, which is basically an inability to concentrate or stick to one thing for long periods of time. I have it myself, and I know how frustrating that is. I in fact have pulled many all-nighters and that's when I produce my best work; unfortunately my body does not like that too well.

    At the very least you should visit a professional therapist and have them give you a psychiatric evaluation. He/she can diagnose your problem--maybe you're just a really bad procrastinator--and perhaps prescribe some medication, if necessary.

    Read this for more information about A.D.D. : ADD Foundation [add.org]

    And go buy this book, if you're interested: Driven to Distraction [amazon.com]

    • by mesach (191869) on Sunday July 27 2003, @11:32AM (#6544779)
      Agreed. I have ADD, I'm not hyperactive(i do fidgit). But the current buzzword is ADHD, and many people completely forget about ADD as an option if they aren't hyper.

      Goto a doctor and try to get on stratera or some equivalent.

      AND STAY OFF OF THE WEB... its the worlds greatest time saver/waster
          • by idlethought (558209) on Sunday July 27 2003, @12:22PM (#6545187)
            All this takes is discipline. There is no real secret to this.

            This is of course circular reasoning.. You need the discipline to develop the discipline etc..

            It's true of course, like most circular reasoning, without being helpful.. Already there have been some very sensible and practical suggestions for getting that initial focus. If once you start you can keep going then it's finding that initial focus that counts. Excercise is one good suggestion- excess energy can express it self in lack of concentration. The other very good suggestion was the visualising the initial steps in the task. Very often with a big bit of work of any sort knowing where to start is the tricky part.

            I often find when writing a document for work I can't make a start on it until I have the initial structure and more importantly most of the first paragraph planned. The first paragraph is usually utter crap and needs to be dumped, but it creates the crack in the wall to start on.
            Another idea might be to just start- if you're about to write a report for college but can't get started try writing anything to get yourself into the right frame of mind- a stream of invective about the tutor, a complaint about how the RIAA's tendency to sue everyone for listening to music makes you too angry to concentrate. A stream-of-conciousness about nothing at all.

            If it's a coding project I find writing the comments at the head of the file, even if they contain nothing but in-jokes and bad puns to be removed later, get me into the right frame of mind to get started.

            Or just reconfigure your machine so it can't see the network anymore to remove that (and email) as a temptation.
    • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 27 2003, @11:42AM (#6544881)
      I saw my school psychiatrist about the same sort of behavior, thinking I had ADD, and the guy told me I was probably just depressed.

      This was a shock to me, because I had never thought that I could be "depressed", but the more I thought about what he said the more it made sense.

      Imagine that we have a certain threshold of happiness, emotional comfort, whatever, that we try to maintain. Any time that we engage in some behavior that isn't rewarding, we (as simple dumb animals) quickly go back to more rewarding behavior. This is the problem. When you're borderline depressed, you're just barely
      staying happy, and you do whatever you can in a very short-term-thinking kind of way to maintain that happiness.

      After I started with the meds, I found it easier to get into doing things that were frustrating or boring long enough to finish them. Finishing those things became a reward.

      So, Canuck may need meds that will allow him to feel comfortable experimenting with new behavioral patterns long enough to find ones that will work better for him.
  • my spew (Score:5, Interesting)

    by mandalayx (674042) * on Sunday July 27 2003, @11:24AM (#6544705) Journal
    canuck-

    I'm a university student as well and as you can see (I'm sitting on slashdot) I have some of the same issues. However there have been some shining examples of good behavior on my part, and here are what I think are some of the apparent factors/causes:

    a. social proof, i.e. studying with a bunch of people
    b. meaning, a meaningful purpose
    c. distractions, lack thereof, i.e. lack of other things to think about

    Examples with causes:
    -studying in the basement of the library (a, c)
    -studying for imminent test or other grade-altering material (b, and possibly a)
    -studying for something that will be applicable to some upcoming event i.e. work (b, and possibly a)
    -studying for something that is less dreadful than what I should *really* be studying (b, c)
    -studying at a coffeehouse, with ambient-type music like classical or trance (a, c)

    *****
    Other notes:

    Speaking of coffee, I highly recommend coffee for the few hours that I seem to get out of it, really studying.

    Something else I've found useful to keep my mind focused is to bring a notepad which I designate as a "worry pad." When I think of something, like, gee, I should do laundry or pay bills, I just write it on the pad so that I can focus on studying.

    I find it helpful to like what I am studying. If I currently don't like it, I try to find a way to like it. If I can't find a way to like it, I begin to consider studying something else....

    Or maybe this problem of not being able to study is not a problem as a gift. Perhaps studying as much as some others at your school is not your idea of fun and you can try pursuing something that seems more fun to you (without studying).
    • Re:my spew (Score:5, Insightful)

      by harvardian (140312) on Sunday July 27 2003, @11:46AM (#6544902)
      I'd like to emphasize the importance of meaningfulness to help combat procrastination.

      When I started college, I was a psychology major. Whenever I sat down to do work, I could never bring myself to do it before midnight, just like you. In fact, I'd often procrastinate by doing work on the school newspaper's website.

      After a year and a half of procrastination hell every night I suddenly realized that if I procrastinate by writing code (alright, it was ASP, and VBScript doesn't really count), maybe I should make CS what I do ALL the time. I became a CS major and have been happier ever since.

      As a side note, even though I'm much happier I still don't start work early (usually around 10 PM). Do yourself a favor and don't put unreasonable expectations on yourself -- don't sit down at 3 PM and say "okay, let's get cracking!" if you know you won't. Relax until after dinner, and then start up work. It'll save you a lot of frustration and you'll probably get started on your work sooner.

      And PLEASE don't take ritalin or something else like that. 60% of the students I know procrastinate their asses off. It's not because all of us have ADD, it's because sometimes studying sucks. To underscore this point, whenever I've worked a real job (two internships doing CS stuff) I've never procrastinated simply because I find significantly more motivation to do the work. So it's not like my rampant procrastination was a mental defect.
    • Re:my spew (Score:5, Insightful)

      by JanneM (7445) on Sunday July 27 2003, @12:07PM (#6545069) Homepage
      A workable strategy is acceptance.

      Accept that you are a procrastinator, and that you will not get anything done until the last minute. Then plan accordingly.

      Say you have a paper due in a month. Great. Talk to the professor and set up a meeting a week from now where you will show your outline, thesis and detailed plan on how to defend it.

      In another week, set up a new meeting with the same or different authority figure to go over your list of references and help clear whether you are quoting the right stuff or not, and whether those people in the references really can be interpreted the way you do it.

      And the next week, have another prearranged meeting to go over your language and style.

      Suddenly you have hard deadlines for every aspect of that paper, which means you will actually be quite comfortably done when the real deadline appears. True, you will still be stressed and feeling behind, but on the positive side you do see that the work is actually progressing nicely. And with this predisposition, you will never _not_ feel stressed in any case, so just make it work for you.

      the trick is to make these deadlines _real_ - arranging for a friend to take a look at the paper won't do it; such a "meeting" is too easy to blow off, and a friend will be forgiving if you haven't done the work. It needs to be with people that will cause real, negative, consequences if you mess it up.

  • by Beowulf_Boy (239340) on Sunday July 27 2003, @11:25AM (#6544716)
    I use rewards for my self, as stupid as it sounds.

    Like today, I have to write some thankyou cards, and fill out some rebate forms. So, I promised my self that after I do that, I'm gonna go to walmart and spend 20$ on something fun and/or stupid!
  • by ender-iii (161623) <adam@nosPam.nullriver.com> on Sunday July 27 2003, @11:25AM (#6544718) Homepage
    It turns out I was depressed. I used to just aimlessly drag boxes across my desktop, lost in my imagination. Maybe not getting work done is just a symptom of a bigger problem. Just a though.
  • by Jack William Bell (84469) on Sunday July 27 2003, @11:26AM (#6544734) Homepage Journal
    Well, first I check /. and see if there is anything interesting. Then I surf around and check the various blogs and newsites I read. After that I check /. again and maybe post a comment to an interesting article.

    If, while I am surfing around, I find something cool I post a link to it to me /. journal (which everyone should read, cuz it is full of wierd bullshit). Then I surf some more. That is how I get my w........

    Never mind.
  • Exercise (Score:5, Insightful)

    by fredrikj (629833) on Sunday July 27 2003, @11:28AM (#6544751) Homepage
    I am very familiar with your problem, and the thing I'd recommend is getting a decent amount of physical exercise. I always find it easier to concentrate on schoolwork (or any other work) after 30-45 minutes of running and a shower.

    The biggest problem is motivation. Often when I don't feel like working, I definitely don't feel like exercising either :)
  • I'd start with not setting aside an entire day for work, that's just overwhelming
    for anyone. When you start by telling yourself "I'm going to work all day" you
    are probably going to fail because just the sheer length of the day and magnitude
    of what you have to get done can become overwhelming.

    The key to fixing your problem is probably to make the tasks in front of you not
    seem so overwhelming through a number of techniques. I sympathize with your plight
    because as a student myself I had a hard time initially, but it's worth knowing
    that over time your ability to work hard for longer will improve... like so many
    other things it's a question of practice.

    Music may or may not help you, that seems to be a very personal thing. I can't
    stand to have music while I work (because I want to listen to it and not work)
    but have a colleague who has music on (low volume) all the time. Personally I
    have found that the quiet droning voices on NPR help keep my mind on the job and
    if something I really do care about comes on it's a little welcome break from
    what I am doing.

    You might also find that some other non-work activities actually bring more focus
    when you are working. If you go to a gym, run or do some other physical exercise
    I've found that it has a great effect on concentrating the mind. If you are
    drinking a lot of caffeine laden drinks while working you might find that cutting
    back enables you to concentrate more because you are not overstimulated by caffeine.

    But specifically...

    1. Prioritize the work

    Sit down and make a list of all the tasks that you have to get done. I use a
    real paper notebook for that sort of thing because it's satisfying to cross them
    off as you go.

    Once you've made the list order them (1, 2, 3, ...) in terms of how much of the
    job you'll get done, or how hard they are to do. If you knock off a few hard
    tasks at the start when you are more focused you'll start to feel better and the
    smaller tasks coming later will seem less overwhelming. (I think in the Seven
    Habits book this is "Put first things first"---but really it's commonsense, if
    you get out of the way the stuff you are dreading doing you'll feel better and
    get more done).

    For example, right now I am working on the test suite for my open source project
    and it's *boring*, *long* and *hard*. But I've got a list and slowly by slowly
    I'm seeing progress.

    One reason that lists can be problematic is if you write down all the tasks and
    realize that you haven't got enough time... hence the next topic...

    2. Set yourself some goals

    It's important to take your list and set some goals. "I'm going to finish
    task X by lunch". Then try to stick to them. If you find yourself unable to
    stick to the goals and timings then go back and replan. You'll have a better
    idea of how long the task is going to take and that will motivate you more...
    Thinks "If I finish Y tonight, then tomorrow I'll just need to do A, B and C"

    3. Reward yourself

    I've found that stopping my main tasks and doing a little other task that I
    find interesting is a good way to keep the motivation up. For example, I'll
    have a goal "finish X" and when I've done it I'll stop and do something unrelated
    which I enjoy.

    For example on my open source project I have this long boring test suite to write,
    each time I complete a task I work on a fun task associated with the performance
    of the project. You can do something similar which means you actually praise
    yourself through a reward for going something done.

    4. Eat well

    Nothing like being hungry to screw things up. Eat good food, stop for meals and
    eat them.

    Good luck,
    John.
  • Two-pronged approach (Score:5, Informative)

    by delfstrom (205488) on Sunday July 27 2003, @11:31AM (#6544773)
    You can try two things at the same time: Diet and self-hypnosis.

    With diet, eliminate sugar & caffeine. Add lots of vegetables. Supplement with fish oils which are like a brain boost. Once I changed my diet around I started thinking clearer and my concentration improved.

    With self-hypnosis (either by yourself or with a trained professional) you can train yourself to increase concentration and, more importantly, block out distractions, including distractions from your own mind.

    In the end, the most likely cause of your procrastination is because you don't want to be doing what you must do. If you can find a way to better enjoy the work you've been assigned, then you'll find that you can sit down and work on it with ease.

    If all else fails (and it shouldn't, as you're the one in control) unplug your network connection, and get someone to check up on you every hour to make sure you're not just sitting there sharpening your pencils or something.
  • by spineboy (22918) on Sunday July 27 2003, @11:35AM (#6544814) Journal
    I'm a doctor and i REALLY needed to study ALOT- both during med school and in residency. After working a 100-120 hours in a week, it's hard to get motivated. What I found out, and so did many other people, was that the best way was to read BEFORE you went home for the day. Make it part of work at least for an hour or two a day. Once you go home, there are too many distractions and you won't get stuff done (I've been there).

    The other thing to do is make lists of small segments, if you procrastinate. This will force you to work more steadily. Yes I'm a procrastinator too, and this works.

    The last thing to do is get out of the house and go somewhere where there are NO distractions. Not Borders or Barnes and Nobles, but the local law school library, where nothing interests you and everybody else is working hard.
    My 2 cents worth.

  • by Poletown (692868) on Sunday July 27 2003, @11:36AM (#6544830) Homepage
    I used to suffer from this problem REAL BAD. Like you, I could not get anything done, even if I locked myself in my office for the whole day. The Internet, MP3's, TV, whatever was available served as a distraction. I purchased countless books on procrastination, all of the "PUMP YOURSELF UP" motivator books, asked other people for advice, etc. Nothing worked. Then one day, I don't even remember how, I came up with a system that worked. Each time I had a project to work on, I would sit down the night before and develop a plan. 1) I break down each of the major tasks needed to be completed. 2) Under each task, I break down all of the subsections that needed to be completed 3) Under each subsection, I fill in the details that needed to be done (sometimes in paragraph form). 4) After everything is listed, I go back through and assign time guidlines. When I follow this, it works out great. I think the whole problem is that sometimes a big project like writing a term paper is just overwhelming. Rather than trying to figure out where to begin and what to do, it's easier just to click onto your browser of choice and say "I'll do it later". When everything is listed and broken down into little sections, the project isn't as overwhelming. Just a bunch of 'little projects' that need to be done. I'm not if this will work for you, but it makes things MUCH easier for me. Good Luck
  • by jaaron (551839) on Sunday July 27 2003, @11:38AM (#6544845) Homepage
    Read less slashdot. :)

    Okay, I'm sure that will get posted a hundred times, but here are some other ideas:
    • Start Small: If it's a serious issue, trying to change your entire lifestyle at once can be difficult. Not impossible, but a better approach might be to start with something small and work your way up. Perhaps starting with exercise (as someone mentioned) or managing your sleep schedule, or just some random chore. Do that regularly and you'll start to have more and more control.
    • Eliminate Distractions: If it's homework, then leave the apartment and go to the library. Find somewhere where you simply don't have any other distractions -- no computers, radios, TV's, people to bug you, etc. Changing your environment will help.
    • Accountability: Explain to a close friend your problem. Have them check up on you and encourage you. Knowing you'll have to face up to someone who cares (and not your professor or boss) can give you some motivation.
    • Rewards: Have the integrity not to give yourself rewards until after you've accomplished something. But a reward system can help. Promise to go watch a movie or buy something special or go on a vacation once you've accomplished a particular goal. Again, having someone make sure you don't cheat helps.
    • Journal: By far what's helped me is keeping a regular journal. This may not help everyone, but it helps me be honest with myself. I can better gauge change that occurs over months and years by keeping a written record. I can work out goals, anxieties and plans. It works for me.


    At least those are some of my ideas. Also, finding some way or time to calm down and reflect on life helps to. This can be when you exercise, or do your journal, or go to church (if you're into that sort of thing). Point it, every now and then you'll need to stop and remember why it is you want to be productive.

    While you will probably get a lot of trolls responding to this, a good work ethic is important and not easily gained. It's something a lot of us could use improvement on.
  • by AntiOrganic (650691) on Sunday July 27 2003, @11:46AM (#6544903) Homepage
    This might sound ludicrous to those who live off of caffeine, but I've found caffeine absolutely has a completely detrimental effect on my ability to get work done. I become panicky, nervous and confused, and I can't keep a clear train of thought.

    This certainly does not apply to everyone, but may to you.
  • by JanneM (7445) on Sunday July 27 2003, @11:50AM (#6544946) Homepage
    I have exactly the same problem you describe. I can sit at the desk, stuff right in front of me, and still end up doing no work for hours. I may surf the net, read mail, pick up a suddenly interesting (but unrelated) book, make coffee, doodle, making suddenly important phonecalls, decide my chair needs reupholstering or whatever.

    Only when I am cornered like a frightened rat, with the third extended deadline breathing down my neck, voices screaming at me to get going (no, not in the head; they belong to people hat need my results) and my stress level is high enough to induce cardiac arrest am I able to focus and actually do it.

    A partially successful strategy is to put yourself in a situation where you have another, even more important, task to do; this will transform your duties into avoidance activities and will suddenly get done quickly and easily - just witness how clean and well-organized your apartment is after an important deadline. Of course, that does mean the new, hugely important task will be lingering instead.

    On the downside, I have never found any way to really solve this. I just put up with failing myself over and over again, putting off stuff I should have done long ago. On the upside, even with such faulty strategies, I have managed to get a Ph.D. - and high blood pressure, jeadaches stomach pains and stress-related mood swings, but hey, you can't have it all.

  • by Snafoo (38566) on Sunday July 27 2003, @12:00PM (#6545023)
    I've been diagnosed with ADD and I have two suggestions for dealing with procrastination and focusing problems. Note that I don't to either of these much anymore, as I'm medicated, but they worked well enough at the time.

    Suggestion #1:

    I have a little theory to the effect that, for a certain percentage of the population, GUIs have made focusing a lot more difficult: Sure, your taskbar, icons, buttons and menus make it easier to switch rapidly between many different tasks and contexts, but they also _make_it_easier_to_switch_between_many_different_t asks_and_contexts_. One minute you're studying faithfully --- at your mental office, so to speak --- and the next, you're in your mental rec room, playing FreeCiv; or in your mental coffee shop, chatting on /. And, Oh God, the futzing that one can do with a GUI! Desktop icon arrangement. Wallpaper. Themepacks, for heaven's sake. It's a temple of distraction in here.

    So here's what I recommend: Ditch it. Ditch the GUI. Install Linux, if you haven't already, and configure /etc/inittab to boot to initlevel 4. Learn to love vi or nano or emacs: They work great for comp sci projects, and if you have an essay or a paper to write, do it in vi first, import it to word_processor_of_your_choice (for formatting) only when you're about to print it.

    If you can't ditch the GUI for whatever reason (i.e. you need a proprietary Windoze app, or you can't bear to install Linux) then I recommend setting up a new account (linux) or user profile ('doze) that will only allow you to run only those applications which you need to get the job done. If that doesn't work, you should seriously consider getting yourself a (second-hand?) laptop upon which you will place only work-related programs --- preferably, one without WiFi or some other way of exposing it to the Lethean floodwaters of the 'net.

    Suggestion #2. This next one is a little weird, but it works well for me. Note that it might work less well if you don't have any roomates, as it depends greatly on your desire to avoid embarrassment. It also requires that you have an extra room in your house.

    Make yourself a home office in a well-heated room, and keep only work-related things in it. When you go to study, take in all the food, caffeine, and books that you'll need for a stint of about five hours. Set an alarm clock to go off in five hours. Now, close the door, and take off your pants. Yes, you heard me, take off your pants. If necessary, take off your shirt as well. Put them in a plastic bag, and tie the bag shut. Put the bag away (the further away the better.). This way, you can't leave the room suddenly without raising eyebrows: If, say, you have a sudden impulse to jump up and watch TV, or phone a friend, it'll take you a good five minutes to dress, which should be plenty to reconsider and sit back down.

    After a couple of months of this, you get in the habit of staying in the room until the alarm sounds, you don't have to take off your pants anymore.
  • by doonesbury (69634) on Sunday July 27 2003, @12:14PM (#6545131) Homepage
    If you're worried about not getting work done, I'm betting that you're also thinking to yourself about not only this work, but asking yourself what if you don't finish this piece, and thinking about what else needs to get done as well.

    I know, because I do it myself.

    Concentration is a skill. It's not something that comes instantly to everyone, it's something that needs to be practiced. And it's not hard to practice it, either, but it does take some disipline.

    First, learn to clear your thoughts of extraneous stuff. I do this by mostly telling myself that, first, if I worry about all the rest of the crap I have to do, I'm not only not going to get *this* done, I'm not going to get *any* of it done, and I'm no better off than when I started -- so, Part-of-me-that-worries, shut up and let me get some work done, so you can worry about something else. It's kind of a zen, clear-your-mind of all thoughts moment.

    Second, try the following exercises::

    Practice Sitting Quietly: Sit down for an half-an-hour a day, at your desk. No distractions, no extra stuff to work on, and just one project to finish. Take a quick, zen-cleansing breath, and don't think about everything else you have to do. (Don't panic, if what you have to get done takes more than that time, I'm just saying you have to *sit* for that time.)

    Complete Something Every Day: do something that you can complete in one day, and do one of every day. If it's a book, slice it up into chapters or 10 pages or whatever. If it's one calculus set, use that. Do that every day, at the same time, once a day. It give some sense of accomplishment, gets you practiced at doing something on a regular basis.

    (Note, I got these from Daniel Pinkwater's book Fishwhistle, but they seem to help.)

    Finally, also do these:

    Exercise: I know it's been said, but exercise exhausts the muscles, gets the blood flowing, can heighten concentration, and is generally good for you. It may seem like a waste of time, but it gives back in concentration what it takes in time; so if it's 4 hours of worrying over something, or 1 hour of exercise and 3 hours of working, which is more productive?

    Sleep: Do it. Regularly. It helps with concentration, sleepy people can't concentrate.

    Give it a shot. See if it works for you. If not, try the following things which have worked for friends of mine:

    Earmuffs: Seriously. My brother cannot concentrate unless there's no noise about. You can find these for about $5-$10 at any hardware store; some even fold up for carrying. They block out sound like earplugs (not a bad idea either) and allow you to not hear any sounds around you.

    Tai Chi and other Martial Arts: These heavily emphasize concentration, so it may be that they do you more good by both getting you exercise and by helping you practice concentration.

    Good luck!
  • Damn good question.. (Score:5, Informative)

    by radish (98371) on Sunday July 27 2003, @12:57PM (#6545399) Homepage
    I think this is a very common problem - I know I suffer from it at work quite frequently. I can't promise to give you a perfect response, but here are some random thoughts related to the topic...

    1) If you just can't get around to doing something, it maybe simply because it's an insanely boring task. We all have to do them for sure, but it can be difficult. First idea (and this isn't a joke) - can you get someone else to do it? If you're at work - delegate, swap tasks, do a deal, whatever. What's boring to you might be just what someone else would like to spend an afternoon doing. If you really have to do it yourself, I simply make a deal with myself - no ps2/tv/web/pron/insert fave poison here until it's done. I have some self control so that usually does it :)

    2) Sleep. I tend not to sleep enough mainly due to having too many more fun things to do. I find my concentration wanders a lot more when I'm tired. A few good nights sleep can help my concentration at work (even with things I hate doing) a hell of a lot.

    3) Give your mind a break. Rather than do something else on the sly and feel guilty - allocate some time and go and do something else on purpose. If you've got a long piece of work break it up in advance and allocate fun time during the day. I find my focus is better when I sit back down at something after maybe 30 mins off.

    4) Music. Classical might work for you - certainly not for me. Where I work speakers are banned but headphones are fine. I've loaded my PC up with a big selection of tunes for different moods - the key for me is choosing the right tune. For full-on 110% rush coding nothing beats full-on (extremely loud) dance music. I'm a DJ so I've done a bunch of mixes which fit the bill. I find that when my head starts nodding and my feet start tapping, my fingers can't help but keep up :)

    I dunno - maybe some of that will help someone :)
  • by jellomizer (103300) on Sunday July 27 2003, @01:06PM (#6545466)
    When I was in college I found I did my best work if I woke up at 4 am and did my work until around 9 am. There are very little distractions at that time usually all your friends are a sleep or finishing their last minute work. There is nothing good on TV. And the environment is usually is very quit. At first getting up at that time is tough but after a while it gets easier.
  • by gronkulator (119289) on Sunday July 27 2003, @03:04PM (#6546144)
    i know the feeling. it's sort of frustrating to be able to do something, have the knowlege of your capacity, yet still when the time comes, there's always that next website to check up on or that last level to conquer. I can only offer a few general tactics:
    1. set aside time for work. this can be on the order of hours per day, or days per week, depending on your comfort level. do not be overly ambbitious with setting aside too much time, you may procrastinate to fill the time available.
    2. separate work areas from relaxation/play areas. this is critical for creating a setting conducive to working. if at all possible, make it somewhere you do not sleep/eat/watch tv(porn)/game/etc.
    3. if possible, use separate computers for work/play. an old 120mhz beater is enough to run office 95 and netscape 3.0 or something equivalent.
    4. disconnect everything (tv, cell, internet, etc) while working whenever possible.
    5. If you find yourself avoiding work because it is giving you anxiety/you feel overwhelmed/can't concentrate because you are constantly worrying about stuff, and it doesn't let up, seek the help of a physician or psychiatrist. that could be depression or an anxiety disorder.
    6. following from above, if the depression or anxiety is significantly impacting your ability to function, you may want to consider meds or psychotherapy. it may seem like an extreme solution, but that's just not true. it's a highly effective solution that may allow you to shelve your concentration/focus problems and actually get work done without creating other problems in the form of extended deadlines/late nite cram sessions/etc. it also allows you do do a little introspection in to the underlying issues that create these situations. it may even enable an ah-ha moment.
    7. following from above - i know this might be flame bait, but stay away from paxil. withdrawal [google.com] is a bitch.

    hth
    • by nomadic (141991) <nomadicworldNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Sunday July 27 2003, @11:30AM (#6544766) Homepage
      Unfortunately for many people there is no commercial, paying field which they'd enjoy.

      If he's really worried about procrastination on the job, however, something a little more structured like systems administration might be a better choice. When you have people screaming at you because they just lost all connectivity, the urge to procrastinate for the most part vanishes.
    • by aussersterne (212916) on Sunday July 27 2003, @12:49PM (#6545354) Homepage
      I think the crux of the issue here (and what you are getting at) is that work and study are much easier to accomplish if you are passionate about them; if you have a personal point of view, something unique to contribute, an unfailing interest in the subject matter, or some other conscious driving force behind it.

      Unfortunately, in the modern world, this is very difficult.

      • Very few types of work leave room for individuality or craftsmanship any longer. Nearly any type of work you do is likely to relegate you in some way, metaphorical or otherwise, to a position of "cog in a wheel in the giant machine."

      • Nearly all of modern industry also requires a dedicated, detailed skill set that tends to take years to master, often descends into minutiae at the expense of the "bigger picture" and that tends to compartmentalize one within the field (i.e. you have studied to be this kind of cog in the wheel, and after you put in your decades to master it, you will be stuck as that cog forever, because it will take far too long to train to become another kind of cog).

      • Because of the nature of the modern marketplace, there is very little room for individuality, passion, or points of view. Whether in academics or business, if your work and even your general demeanor are not well-suited to maximize profit, you will quickly find yourself out of work. Thus, in the interest of staying active (i.e. employed, in school, funded by grants, etc.) in a field, people generally try to sublimate themselves to the greatest extent possible, becoming the most colorless, generic cog they can be.

      • As a kind of corollary, work or study in any field these days also generally involves a large percentage of time coping with business-oriented and political issues, rather than the issues at hand. A successful photographer is first and foremost a successful businessman. A successful systems analyst is first and foremost a successful businessman. A successful lawyer is first and foremost a successful businessman. A successful doctor is first and foremost a successful businessman. Ad infinitum.

      None of this breeds any kind of productivity ethic. Even if you are very interested in a field, and approach its study with enthusiasm, you are likely to run out of steam before you reach the end of your study, gradually disillusioned by the degree to which you must endlessly specialize, sublimate your own identity, avoid creativity, sacrifice future freedoms and learn the ins and outs of petty business, all in order to simply build a career doing something you thought you liked.

      I personally feel that most men (and women) given a chance would prefer to be craftsmen (and women) of some kind, in whatever their chosen field, bringing a quality and uniquely personal product to the people of their own community. Instead, because of the nature of the modern marketplace, many essentially become clerks and civil servants in one field or another order to be able to draw a wage.

      As a result, and lacking enthusiasm, we end up sitting around browsing the Web and dreaming of something better... but those who develop the fortitude to switch inevitably find that their new field is, on balance, not all that different from their last one... still all business, anonymity and colorless, impersonal nonsense.
        • by betelgeuse68 (230611) on Sunday July 27 2003, @03:09PM (#6546175)
          No offense Paradox but I'm reading lots of platitudes - "Quick learner", "less training", "practice learning." Not sure this translates into anything solid given my 20 years of coding in various ways.

          I had a recent experience that I found amusing (kind of). I kept reading how employers were looking at "soft skills" now a lot more than the past and how "pure tech" wasn't going to cut it. Recently I wound up hooking up with some head hunter whose client insisted that any potential candidate take exams on Brainbench.com. Fine. I went along. I took an exam they set me up with. I scored 79% on the C++ exam. Not bad since it had been YEARS since I had actively coded in C++ (real stuff like class design, not simple subclasses to handle GUI events).

          In my day I would keep up with the ANSI committee and enjoy reading what Scott Meyers et al had to say. (Aside: I just dumped my entire collection of "C++ Report" into the recycle bin)

          That was then, this is now.

          Turns out, the head hunter's client (who I might work for) had REALLY wanted me to take the Visual C++ Brainbench exam. I thought to myself, "Wow, so much for soft skills if all they are interested in is a number on some exam." Despite having Microsoft on my resume and having a capacity of "Lead Architect" in my last employer it seemed they were looking for some "magic number". I told the head hunter "No thanks" (much to his chagrin) and sent a polite letter to the HR person who sent me the URL for taking the test stating that I didn't think it was a "fit."

          Truth is, today I WOULD in fact like to leverage my soft skills more than in the past. These people were looking for a grunt coder. Plain and simple. Been there, done that.

          Fed up with the idiotic HR people and the dearth of anything interesting, today I'm selling cars by choice. Hondas specifically.

          Let me make things clear, my biggest frustration in tech is the idiotic HR people in various organizations that are the gate keepers. Next come the moronic head hunters. But it's just the nature of the business and a necessary evil, particulary with the limited opportunities nowadays.

          When I look at all I've done and what I know... then to have to deal with people who haven't the slightest clue and are simply matching buzzwords, well, it's all quite frustrating, really. Never mind that I transitioned from my last employer in a major way from Windows to the LINUX platform, never mind that I worked at Microsoft and have shrink wrapped software to my credit, never mind that I worked on a source level debugger at one point in time for Motorola... HR people don't understand any of the latter. Nothing.

          To all tech people let me just say this, something I am passing along from a high level manager I once heard - "I know you love all that technical minutiae but don't forget about the soft skills." More importantly, since we're in a down time, if you go try something utterly non-tech it may spark surprising changes in how you view the world and yourself.

          To give you some food for thought, how many CEOs do you know that were prime time developers? Yeah, Bill Gates might have coded in his day but I can assure you he hasn't done shyt for the last 15+ years. He was a businessman first and that's what succeeds in our society (the social element of the equation). Always has, always will.

          Something I've had to learn the hard way...

          -M

          PS: Oh yeah, I'm the one selling cars that SPAZOID12 up above eludes to.
    • by JimBobJoe (2758) <(swiftheart) (at) (gmail.com)> on Sunday July 27 2003, @12:48PM (#6545348)
      **Worst advice ever**

      Him: "Can slashdot tell me what I need to get myself boostrapped and productive?"

      You: "You know what you need punk? To bootstrap yourself and get to work!"

      He knows what his problem is, that's why he's asking the /. community. He's seeking out different ways at becoming productive. Your response was delightfully unhelpful.

      Some people are blessed with the talent to just be effortlessly productive. Others need to put effort into it, some will not become productive until a crisis hits them, and a few will never be productive at all (which costs everyone time and money.) If you're in the first group, then congratulations, if you're in the second group, then congratulations that you found your system, if you're in the third group then I'm sorry for whatever may have happened (that also seem to have added a new crutch to you that you're not entirely aware of.)