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on Thu Jun 12, 2008 02:02 PM
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wifeoflurker writes "Can someone give me recommendations for a desk chair to give my husband as a Father's Day gift? He currently uses a cheap one he got from Office Max, but I want him to have a really comfortable one. He spends his life in this chair (coding and lurking on Slashdot). I don't have time to research good chairs on the internet today (I'm chasing my 10 month old around, and she seems to get into the most mischief when I'm staring at the computer screen), so I figured a few folks here might share their personal recommendations." Has there been any great progress in the state of the art (of sitting) since the last time readers sought recommendations for back-friendly chairs a few years back, or the perfect computer chair nearly a decade back? Is there even such a thing as a back-friendly chair, or should we all be in astronaut-style lounge workstations?
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texatut asks: "I'm sure many of you are familiar with this secenario. You spend 10-12 hours a day in a crappy chair, and your back pays the price. I know there are chairs there that cost in excess of $1000 that alleviate the problem, but that's a lot of money to pay for a chair. I wanted to ask you all to give recommendations and opinions on chairs that are in a slightly lower price range, say, below $600. My back thanks you in advance."
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Thanks (Score:4, Funny)
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Herman Miller Aeron... (Score:5, Interesting)
But think about it -- you own a car that you like. You spend maybe what, an hour, or two a day in it? You spend maybe $400 for the car payment plus insurance and gas.
And you sit in a chair for 5-7 hours a day. You should make a good investment for the sake of your back, your butt, and your comfort. I have the Aeron and the only quip I have with it, is that it doesn't match the height of my desk (which is actually a writing desk, incorrect height for a mouse/keyboard).
I like the Aeron -- it has a lot of adjustments, it's built very solid, it has a good warranty and you can get them serviced a LOT of places (casters and such). It's NOT cheap, but refer to what I said earlier on why you SHOULD spend the money.
Re:Herman Miller Aeron... (Score:5, Interesting)
No one wants to invest in a good chair but you have to think about the fact that your chair is in use from the time you sit down at your computer to the time you get up. It's the most utilized piece of computer gear you have. A lot of people skimp on monitors too even though it's the second most utilized piece of hardware.
A solid chair and a solid monitor then keyboard/mouse goes very very far in keeping you productive.
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Surgery on my ass (Score:5, Informative)
I'm going to make my work buy one today.
This is embarrassing, but two years ago I had surgery on my butt. I can't remember the name of the condition, but it has generally been reserved for truckdrivers. Basically what happens is a hair in your crack becomes ingrown because you sweat (I live in a sub-tropical environment and at the time, wasn't wearing 100% cotton underwear), and sitting down all day the hair grows inward. Long story short, you go to *extreme* pain very quickly and hence I had a lot of morphine (which is good) and a general anesthetic and surgery to remove about 60ml of pus (which was bad). I had an additional hole in my arse about the size of my fist (poor choice, perhaps a tennis ball).
The next worst thing was the healing process. You have to regularly wash the wound out three times daily to prevent the condition occurring again until the wound completely heals. That takes about 4 months! I'm stoked that my partner is a nurse, but it's not really all as glamorous as it sounds.
You do not want this condition! Wear 100% cotton underwear, pants that breath, and a chair that does not allow you to lean back. (Found the condition - pilonidal cyst - beware the gross pictures)
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Aeron and RLS (Restless Leg Syndrome) (Score:5, Interesting)
One day my wife was talking to the manager of a Relax The Back store and my RLS came up. Upon hearing that I used an Aeron chair he said "That could be the problem. The way the front area of the chair where the legs go over is designed can cause problems with circulation and such." (I heard this second hand from my wife). I switched to a more traditional office chair. Within a month my RLS symptoms were gone.
So no scientific proof and I haven't felt like switching back to see the Aeron was the problem. But I'm a lot happier now.
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Re:Herman Miller Aeron... (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Herman Miller Aeron... (Score:5, Insightful)
The one thing the Aeron is great for is that it's a mesh, so you can sit on it when you get back from a bike ride without feeling like you're going to soak the padding with your manly sweat. This is the reason I haven't just spaced the thing.
I hear that the new Aerons are better, but I haven't personally seen any evidence that this is true. So I would really check this out carefully before buying.
And honestly, I'd run this by him. You're going to spend a lot of money to get him a good chair, and chairs are a very personal choice - what works for one person won't work for another. Also a lot of advice you get on ergonomics from chair stores isn't correct, so if you buy a chair based on that advice, you could wind up with a $500 albatross.
What I would personally recommend is that you just tell him you want to get him a chair, and research it with him. If you don't have time, get him something else. This is a really nice idea for a gift, but it's not an easy one.
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Re:Herman Miller Aeron... (Score:5, Interesting)
I learned that trick from a buddy of mine who's mom would always get pissed off at the gifts family would buy her. She would want a stove, and they bought her a stove, but it wasn't the stove she wanted. Next year she wanted a dishwasher, so they gave her a picture of a dishwasher, and let her pick it out herself.
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Ikea Markus Chair (Score:4, Interesting)
http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/00103102 [ikea.com]
It was well worth the $200.
The high back lets you recline fully when enjoying a movie. It's very comfortable and has a bunch of options to set height, back stiffness / angle it reclines to.
Swiss Ball! (Score:5, Interesting)
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Excerice ball (Score:4, Interesting)
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Re:Excerice ball (Score:5, Informative)
I've recently done a lot of research about this. Apparently, sitting on an exercise ball is good for very short periods of time, but very bad for you back over long periods. The lack back support and angle of your pelvis causes a lot of compression on your lower vertebra.
I'm sure with a little googleing you can find more information.
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You Married your Father? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:You Married your Father? (Score:5, Funny)
*crickets*
What? Too soon?
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Well he knows now, announcing it on Slashdot (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Well he knows now, announcing it on Slashdot (Score:5, Funny)
It's just a little disturbing that I apparently have a wife and child I wasn't aware of.
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I would recommend...!?! (Score:5, Funny)
http://www.skymall.com/shopping/detail.htm?pid=102518472&pnr=M53 [skymall.com]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9_amg-Aos4 [youtube.com]
It will give me amazing 6 pack abs in 3 weeks with no dieting.
Researcher sees future where people walk at work (Score:5, Interesting)
"Sitting at their desks is about the last thing workers would do in Dr. James Levine's office of the future.
Dr. James Levine keeps a 1 mph pace on his treadmill while checking his e-mail.at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn.
Instead of being sedentary in front of their computers, they'd stand. But instead of standing still, they'd walk on a treadmill. And instead of meeting around a conference table, they'd talk business while walking laps on a track."
But just a standing desk with a tall stool to alternate with can work wonders for back pain and good posture.
The walking is probably better on the knees though.
Humanscale Freedom chair (Score:4, Interesting)
get the leap chair from steelcase (Score:5, Informative)
the seat pan, the lower lumbar support, it's great. It's arm rests are fully adjustable, vertically, forward/back, and side to side. The lower back support actually works and doesn't feel like someone stuck a piece of wood behind your back. You can adjust it's height and it's depth. I've owned one now for 2 years now and have no regrets. I have back problems and this is the only chair I can sit in without being miserable when I use a computer.
http://store.steelcase.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=LEAPV2 [steelcase.com]
If you really want to go all out, get the forward tilt option. The only
reason I didn't is that the lead time was an extra 1-2 weeks. I should also
mention that it was really easy to setup. It came in one big box and in two parts, the seat and base. All I had to do was drop the seat onto the base and it was ready, no tools were necessary.
Humanscale Freedom Chair (Score:5, Informative)
For a really unique geek chair (Score:5, Funny)
Simple, here you go, (Score:5, Insightful)
Take him there, treat him like a king while it he gets the measurements and adjustments done.
He can pick out all the colors he wants.
After words a nice meal with some good drinks.
When the chair gets delivered, put the 10 month old down for a nap and fuck your husband in the chair.
You now have the perfect, favorite chair.
If you're feeling rich... (Score:4, Informative)
Price is around $2500 to $3K.
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Actually, your humor is misplaced (Score:5, Interesting)
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Maybe that is what went wrong? (Score:5, Interesting)
In fact, if you needed family time, you were considered a bit suspect, or a whiny little bitch.
But, in those days, we shipped indeed, and our stock price was ever-rising. Back then, you could even tell an under-achiever that they sucked without fear of a lawsuit.
But, Win95 shipped, Exchange shipped, Office shipped, and left a trail of dead or dying competitors in our wake.
Now?
Vista.
Enough said.
Family Friendly hasn't done crap for shareholders, IMHO.
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I'm sorry, but Win95 is a turd worse than Vista (Score:5, Informative)
Now the current versions of Exchange, SQL, Server, IIS, Office, dev tools - I think Microsoft can be proud of that. Vista is a management fuck up, IC's have nothing to do with it being a pile of crap.
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Re:Maybe that is what went wrong? (Score:5, Funny)
Yea, man. I'm right with you. I mean, look what happened to all those poor plantation owners when emancipation came around. There's just no justice in this world.
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Re:Maybe that is what went wrong? (Score:5, Insightful)
Family Friendly hasn't done crap for shareholders, IMHO.
I ask this somewhat rhetorically and certainly drunkenly, but why does the shareholders right to income trump the workers right to life?
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Re:Maybe that is what went wrong? (Score:5, Insightful)
In fact, if you needed family time, you were considered a bit suspect, or a whiny little bitch.
That's really a personal choice. 15 Years ago, I was in the same position, and made a choice to work normal hours, get married, learn to SCUBA dive, take vacations and have a life.
This magic was accomplished by telling my manager "No, I will not work nights, weekends and holidays."
Today, I'm still married, own a software business, have friends, take vacations and life is good. In fact, if I interview someone and they say they're willing to sell their soul to me, I won't hire them. I want people who have lives. They're happier, more productive and more stable.
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Re:Maybe that is what went wrong? (Score:5, Insightful)
They're getting harder to find because nobody wants a life that sucks. And if you fone someone who does, they're typically damaged in some way.
Its a different mindset these days, and while you think your folks are productive, I would comfortably assume that were you up against us on a project, my people would eat your lunch. We work until we ship. THEN we play.
Knock yourself out. I don't sell code, I sell ideas and business processes and charge based on the value I provide to the client, not the hours worked or lines of code. In fact, the actual coding tends to be relatively minimal.
If you need to change diapers between builds, you probably don't want to work for me.
That would account for your hiring difficulties. The only thing more seductive to a programmer than money and toys is having an actual life. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that taking his girlfriend out for a weekend in the mountains is more rewarding than sitting under a flourescent light chasing a segfault at 3am.
I have dived the wrecks of Belize, with the NEW wife (younger and cuter, since I am smarter and richer) and have a great time. Like you say, its a choice. You are happy with yours, I am ecstatic with mine. Good luck.
It's nice diving. I saw my first ray there, but I like Tobermory and the St. Lawrence better. The tropical wrecks deteriorate too quickly.
Good luck with the money and wife. I suspect by the time you hit your 60's you'll wish you had been a little less "driven." The "Trophy Wife" is a little sad; partially because when you marry someone it's supposed to be forever and partially because you now have a wife that married you for money and will leave when you lose yours or someone else comes along with more.
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Trying to escape a period?
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for the win
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