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Would a Boycott of the MPAA/RIAA Help Matters?

Posted by Cliff on Tue Dec 17, 2002 04:55 PM
from the captive-audiences dept.
ChrisGoodwin asks: "Why do geeks support MPAA and RIAA? Here on Slashdot, the talk is all about how evil the film and record companies are. But when the next Star Wars or Matrix or Lord of the Rings comes out, it's all about camping out to get tickets. According to RIAA's web site, member companies distribute 90% of the legitimate sound recordings in the United States; chances are, if you've ever bought music, you've given them money. (Take a look at their list of members.) Heck, most of the film companies own, are owned by, or share a corporate parent with a record company, and many of us get our internet access from part of the MPAA/RIAA conglomerate. So why is it? Why do we continue to buy their product? Why are we giving them money so that they can harass us? Why hasn't there been a call for a boycott of the record and film industries?" This is in the FAQ, but this is certainly a discussion worth having. With the pervasiveness of media in our society, for some it is not as easy as "boycott" or "no boycott", and it may be unfair to the artists we like for us to do so, and as Big Media diversifies, a boycott on movies and music may still not be enough. So do you feel a boycott of mass media will help matters, or would such be counter-productive in some way?
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  • Yep (Score:5, Insightful)

    by von Prufer (444647) on Tuesday December 17 2002, @04:56PM (#4910651)
    Sure it would help. If you could actually convince people outside of Slashdot to do it.
    • Re:Yep (Score:5, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:03PM (#4910706)
      It ain't that phricken difficult, folks.

      Movies: Only attend matinees, if you MUST see it in a theatre.

      DVD's: Only buy used. Period. It's not that difficult to find a pawn shop, or ebay, or whatever.

      Music: Only buy used. Again, it's not that hard to find your favorite artists. Wanna support the artist? Go see their show, buy their ts-shirt or cd AT THE SHOW.

      I utterly REFUSE to give those fsckers another dime that I don't absolutely have to.
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      • Re:Yep (Score:5, Funny)

        by ThrasherTT (87841) <thrasher@nOSPAM.deathmatch.net> on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:06PM (#4910739) Homepage Journal
        Music: Only buy used. Again, it's not that hard to find your favorite artists. Wanna support the artist? Go see their show, buy their ts-shirt or cd AT THE SHOW.

        Maybe an additional way to help support your favorite artists is to steal their music, then donate to them anonymously...
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        • Re:Yep by creep (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:10PM
        • Re:Yep by Unregistered (Score:3) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:48PM
          • Re:Yep by pjp6259 (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @12:49PM
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        • Re:Yep by Ignorant Aardvark (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:55PM
        • You laugh, but by fruity1983 (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @08:36PM
        • Re:Yep by chimpo13 (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @08:53PM
        • Re:Yep by 0111 1110 (Score:3) Wednesday December 18 2002, @12:06AM
        • Re:Yep by FFFish (Score:3) Wednesday December 18 2002, @12:43AM
        • Re:Yep by Harald74 (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @07:08AM
          • Re:Yep by ThrasherTT (Score:2) Wednesday December 18 2002, @11:32AM
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      • Re:Yep (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Anonvmous Coward (589068) on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:35PM (#4911084)
        "It ain't that phricken difficult, folks.
        Movies: Only attend matinees, if you MUST see it in a theatre.
        DVD's: Only buy used. Period. It's not that difficult to find a pawn shop, or ebay, or whatever.
        Music: Only buy used. Again, it's not that hard to find your favorite artists. Wanna support the artist? Go see their show, buy their ts-shirt or cd AT THE SHOW.
        I utterly REFUSE to give those fsckers another dime that I don't absolutely have to."


        This would not work. Period. All they'll see is that there's a decline in sales. Where do you think they'll place the blame? Hint: Their first assumption won't be that they're being boycotted.

        At best, it'd backfire. Ironically, it'd probably be useful to give them more money. As silly as it sounds, the RIAA sounded incredibly idiotic when they claimed that Napster cut into their sales while they were at the peak of their sales.

        I bet you a contributing factor to the dismissal of the SSSCA was that the MPAA couldn't make legitimate claims of losses. If people really did shift over to P2P like the *AA fears, then a different story might have emerged from that whole ordeal.
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        • Re:Yep by sh00z (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:44PM
          • Re:Yep by schmink182 (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:23PM
            • Re:Yep by Piels (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:36PM
              • Re:Yep by Mac Degger (Score:3) Tuesday December 17 2002, @08:31PM
              • Re:Yep by sh00z (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @10:42PM
              • Re:Yep by PyroMosh (Score:2) Thursday December 19 2002, @12:08AM
          • Re:Yep (Score:5, Insightful)

            by Eamon C (575973) on Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:52PM (#4911773) Homepage
            They already caught on. They know exactly why they're losing money. They're not stupid. Having found a scapegoat for their decline in sales, they're using their money and a good dose of PR to get laws passed that will give them more control. That's what they're after, and it's all that they care about. The RIAA and MPAA know that file-sharing won't cause lost sales in the short run. They fear that artists will wise up and bypass them, and sell directly to their fans. That's why they're fighting to stop this now, before the artists get smart.
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        • Re:Yep by pseudonymouse (Score:3) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:24PM
          • Re:Yep by Anonvmous Coward (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:29PM
            • Re:Yep by anthony_dipierro (Score:2) Thursday December 19 2002, @02:00PM
        • Re:Yep by Lonath (Score:3) Tuesday December 17 2002, @09:32PM
        • Re:Yep by 0111 1110 (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @12:22AM
          • Re:Yep by Anonvmous Coward (Score:2) Wednesday December 18 2002, @01:03AM
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      • Re:Yep (Score:5, Informative)

        by Frymaster (171343) on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:36PM (#4911093) Homepage Journal
        or better yet, buy independent. note that only major lables (ie, labels that support their own distribution network such as bmg, sony, dgc &c.) are participants in the riaa. buying independent not only diverts money from the majors, it helps promote diversity and competition.

        check them out:
        matador [matadorrecords.com]
        dischord [dischord.com]
        touch and go [southern.com]
        mint [mintrecs.com]
        southern [southernrecords.com]
        merge [mergerecords.com]
        alternative tentacles [alternativetentacles.com]

        or, for the fast route, hit the google listing of record labels:

        http://directory.google.com/Top/Arts/Music/Record_ Labels/ [google.com]

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        • Re:Yep by SamTheButcher (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:33PM
        • Re:Yep by TarPitt (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:49PM
        • Re:Yep by layyze (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:01PM
          • Re:Yep by SophtwareSlump (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @11:49PM
        • Re:Yep by Nipsy356 (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:07PM
          • Re:Yep by anthony_dipierro (Score:2) Thursday December 19 2002, @02:09PM
        • Re:Yep by thelen (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:49PM
        • Re:Yep by byron150 (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @08:30PM
          • Re:Yep by Frymaster (Score:3) Wednesday December 18 2002, @12:16AM
        • Re:Yep by koreth (Score:2) Wednesday December 18 2002, @02:28AM
        • Re:Yep by 3.2.3 (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @04:52PM
        • Re:Yep by SophtwareSlump (Score:1) Thursday December 19 2002, @12:10AM
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      • Re:Yep by anthony_dipierro (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:43PM
        • Re:Yep by schmink182 (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:27PM
          • Re:Yep by anthony_dipierro (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @08:57PM
            • Re:Yep by Jaysyn (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @11:33PM
              • Re:Yep by anthony_dipierro (Score:2) Wednesday December 18 2002, @02:05AM
              • Re:Yep by Jaysyn (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @11:06AM
              • Re:Yep by anthony_dipierro (Score:2) Wednesday December 18 2002, @11:52AM
              • Re:Yep by Jaysyn (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @11:02PM
              • Re:Yep by anthony_dipierro (Score:2) Thursday December 19 2002, @12:38PM
              • Re:Yep by anthony_dipierro (Score:2) Thursday December 19 2002, @01:58PM
              • Re:Yep by Jaysyn (Score:1) Thursday December 19 2002, @04:54PM
              • No by anthony_dipierro (Score:2) Thursday December 19 2002, @05:42PM
      • Re:Yep (Score:5, Insightful)

        by trotski (592530) on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:55PM (#4911249)
        Movies: Only attend matinees, if you MUST see it in a theatre.

        I don't know. I think movies are the only thing you should really see. Movies which run at 7-10 bucks are all in all a good value for the money. I don't feel ripped off if I go see a good movie at that price. Anyway, keep in mind that these movies cost often over 1.00E+8 dollars to make. It's reasonable for MPAA members to expect a healty 5 or 10 percent profit on they're effort.

        It's buying the DVD, the tee-shirt, the action figures, the pop-corn, the lingere (hehe.... ok maybe goign a bit too far) thats where the rip off is, as the cost to product such spinoffs is almost noexistant, and profit can go up into rediculous amonts 30,40,50%... the sky's the limit really.

        YOu want a boycott? Sure, but hit the where they're ripping you off, stop buying LOTR collectors edition DVDs and star wars for 30-40 bucks a pop.
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        • Re:Yep by JonWan (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:56PM
        • entitled to a profit? by jat2 (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:08PM
        • Re:Yep by Ibag (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:21PM
          • Re:Yep by cyberformer (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @10:43PM
        • Uncut scenes by willpost (Score:3) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:45PM
          • Re:Uncut scenes by Spicerun (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @10:37PM
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        • i almost see your point. by gimpboy (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @11:31PM
        • Re:Yep by FFFish (Score:2) Wednesday December 18 2002, @12:53AM
        • Re:Yep by botik32 (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @04:12AM
        • Re: really? by Rande (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @04:45AM
        • Re:Yep by Esion Modnar (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @04:29PM
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      • Sorry (Score:4, Informative)

        by Ear Phantom (250084) on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:58PM (#4911286)
        These are all good ideas, but...

        Movies: Only attend matinees, if you MUST see it in a theatre.

        MPAA still gets a cut; even if not directly, the cost is offset in the feature price.

        DVD's: Only buy used. Period. It's not that difficult to find a pawn shop, or ebay, or whatever.

        Music: Only buy used. Again, it's not that hard to find your favorite artists.

        Sorry, somebody originally had to buy it in the first place, which means that MPAA or RIAA still got its share. Creating a demand in the secondary market is only going to stimulate a surge in supply in the primary market.

        Wanna support the artist? Go see their show, buy their ts-shirt or cd AT THE SHOW.

        Sorry, the RIAA gets its cut here as well, at least from the CD sales (the T-shirt sales and concert tickets will vary depending on the artist's contract).

        You are missing out on another thing: even if somehow the distribution channel is completely bypassed, that means that the artist didn't get paid either.

        The problem with both RIAA and MPAA is that neither one consists of a single corporation, but that they are "trusts" which have succeeded in sustaining oligopoly power.

        A boycott truly means: never watching movies outside of independent films, and never listening to music outside of independent music. Most of us (myself included here) are all consumerist victims to the mass market.

        Sorry, we can't beat them using these tactics.

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        • Re:Sorry by anthony_dipierro (Score:2) Thursday December 19 2002, @02:19PM
      • Re:Yep by E_elven (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:03PM
        • But... by SpoonMeiser (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @08:28PM
      • Re:Yep (Score:5, Insightful)

        by PMuse (320639) on Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:26PM (#4911550)
        Why haven't we boycotted? Answer: some of us have.

        I haven't bought a CD, DVD, etc. from any artist that is owned by the RIAA or MPAA in a year. I have told all my friends and family that I will not give them as gifts and that I prefer not to receive them as gifts either. And, I have explained to all those friends and family why.

        I rent no movies.

        I download no copyrighted tracks.

        How do I survive without media?
        I buy music from local bands that press their own CDs. I borrow movies from the public library. I use over-the-air broadcast TV only -- no cable or satellite. (My one vice is going to first-run movies at the theatre.)

        Do you know what I found out? I don't need those people as much as I thought I did. Sure, sure, my little boycott won't put those guys out of business. I know that. But now I have my money instead of them. As for you, you must decide for yourself.
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        • Good Man! by SpoonMeiser (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @08:22PM
        • quick question.. by gimpboy (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @11:37PM
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      • I doesn't work by ChaosMt (Score:3) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:28PM
      • Re:Yep by nite_warrior (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:11PM
        • Re:Yep by Ian-K (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @10:07PM
      • T-Shirts and CDs by durkie (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:56PM
      • Buy CDs, rip them, then sell as used. by wackybrit (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @10:44PM
      • Ticket Bastard by ssstraub (Score:1) Thursday December 19 2002, @03:47AM
      • Re:Focused Buying vs. an All Out Boycott by Anarchos (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:53PM
      • Re:Yep by AntiNorm (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @08:33PM
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    • Re:Yep by ironghost (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:11PM
      • Re:Yep by JordoCrouse (Score:3) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:26PM
        • Re:Yep by ironghost (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:02PM
        • Re:Yep by lvdrproject (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:53PM
        • Re:Yep by Blkdeath (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:23PM
    • Re:Yep by uncoveror (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:09PM
    • Re:Oh Soooo.... by Tuna_Shooter (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:29PM
    • Re:Yep by Billly Gates (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @11:59PM
    • Re:Yep by Yagdrasil (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @12:27AM
    • Sometimes the RIAA crap makes me so angry that... by ixtapolapoquetl (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @02:10AM
    • Re:Yep by ticks4 (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @02:42AM
    • Re:Yep by javaman83 (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @11:33AM
    • Re:IN REAL ESTATE by Spruce Moose (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:45PM
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  • We are so few (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:00PM (#4910668)
    It may seem like the slashdot community is very large, and compared to some communities we are. We're not large enough, though, to be able to get any results from this sort of boycott. It may sound like the way to go, but I'd say support of the EFF is better route.
  • because... by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:00PM
    • Re:because... by claude_juan (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:17PM
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  • It's Simple Retaliation? by TimeReliesOnLadyLuck (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:00PM
  • Boycott! (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:01PM (#4910680)
    I hereby pronounce a year-long boycott of the MPAA... starting Thursday!
  • Not Feasible (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Bobman1235 (191138) on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:02PM (#4910689) Homepage
    I'm sorry, but it's just not feasible.

    No one wants to stop buying from their favorite artist, who is most likely distributed through the RIAA. And no one wants to miss a much-anticipated movie, even though the MPAA is involved. I don't want to say we have no willpower or convictions, but there are just things people will always want to see and hear, and these things are provided by an evil company. Asking someone to give up these things is maybe asking a bit too much. Sure there are those of us who don't want to see LOTR, but there's a good chunk who would stop at nothing to see it, despite its "evil" ties.

    There have to be alternatives to a boycott. Because if you're basing your entire revolution on something of that magnitude, you're going to be sorely disappointed. The masses need their entertainment, and will get it from the easiest source.
    • Re:Not Feasible by rmadmin (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:09PM
    • Re:Not Feasible by msgmonkey (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:10PM
    • Uhm, KaZaa? by raehl (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:12PM
      • Re:Uhm, KaZaa? by sweetooth (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:28PM
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    • Re:Not Feasible (Score:5, Insightful)

      by HorrorIsland (620928) on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:24PM (#4910983)
      If you only boycot the things that you already don't like, it isn't a boycott. That's called "not being a customer".

      The message of a boycott is to say "Even though I like the product, even though I'm your target market, I hate what you're doing so much, I'll suffer to cause you pain".

      Without that message, what are you saying? That you don't like them? That you don't respect them? They don't care if you like them! Unless you're willing to make it an ultimatum - change or else - they'll just tweak the product, the marketing, or the pricing until you give in.

      Also, its a fallacy that huge numbers have to be involved. Remember, profits = revenue - expenses. The expenses are roughly the same for movies and music, regardless of numbers. So every dollar lost to revenue tends to directly effect profits. Turn off %10, even %5 and believe me they will feel it. Give that money to a non-offending vendor like Emusic (the one I use) and they'll feel it twice.

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    • Re:Not Feasible by anthony_dipierro (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:46PM
      • Re:Not Feasible by jez9999 (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:00PM
        • Re:Not Feasible by anthony_dipierro (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @09:00PM
    • Re:Not Feasible by Alan Cox (Score:3) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:56PM
      • Re:Not Feasible by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:40PM
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      • Re:Not Feasible by 1lus10n (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:45PM
    • Re:More feasible by Bastian (Score:3) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:08PM
    • Re:Not Feasible by swordboy (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:14PM
    • Re:Not Feasible by Slak (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:17PM
    • Why not? by DigitalAdrenaline (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:21PM
      • Re:Why not? by jez9999 (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:15PM
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    • Re:Not Feasible by tconnors (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:34PM
    • Re:Not Feasible by wormbin (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:36PM
    • Re:Not Feasible by Jonny Ringo (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @08:25PM
    • are Anti-Trust procedings an opti? Re:Not Feasible by aaron_pet (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @09:39PM
    • Re:Not Feasible by Zenithal (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @11:15PM
    • Re:Not Feasible by squaretorus (Score:2) Wednesday December 18 2002, @03:30AM
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  • That's easy by .sig (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:02PM
    • Re:That's easy by Trogre (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:08PM
    • Re:That's easy by jcsehak (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:15PM
    • Re:That's easy by susano_otter (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:00PM
  • It would help if it ever happend. by Chrome-Dragon (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:03PM
  • Re: (Score:5, Insightful)

    by rmohr02 (208447) <mohr...42@@@osu...edu> on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:03PM (#4910698)
    I would like to boycott the MPAA, but if I want to see a good movie they're the only game in town. I can't really see a movie in any way (except when on TV) without supporting them. The best I can do is to send a dollar to the EFF for every dollar I spend on movies.

    However, I do boycott the RIAA.
  • Perhaps. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by cyt0plas (629631) on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:03PM (#4910700) Journal
    In order to be successful, any boycott would have to be: 1) Well-Planned. Without sufficient planning, it would be too little to matter. 2) Big enough to matter. Remember, these are large companies. Fluctuation (both up and down)is nothing new to them, and your boycott would probably go unnoticed unotherwise. 3) Thourough. It doesn't do much good to boycott the RIAA, then turn around and give the money to them some other way. 4) Publicised. They would have to _know_ they were truly losing money, and why. Otherwise, any real loss could be considered a sign they need to _increase_ their stranglehold on the market. Let them know who they are losing money to, why they are, and what they can do to stop it. I have yet to see any attempt which did not fail in at least one of these aspects.
    • Re:Perhaps. by Reziac (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @08:26PM
    • Re:Perhaps. by More Trouble (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @11:42PM
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  • Heck No. (Score:5, Insightful)

    A boycott would hurt more than it helps. All that the elimination of the slashdot market would do is make us a market not worth pursuing--and so we'd have a return to the days when all movies sucked, instead of having a good one every few (6-36) months.

    A better idea would be for us to find RIAA/MPAA a business model adapted to the digial age--one that's more effective than the "Street Performer's Protocol" and more flexible than the current "pay per copy."

    (Of course I have an idea. I'll write a journal about it, and y'all can see it there!)
    • Re:Heck No. by rherbert (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:26PM
      • Re:Heck No. by Planesdragon (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @12:11AM
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  • Big Screen vs. 17" monitor by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:04PM
  • organized protests by GlarySandstrom (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:05PM
  • We are Hillary Pavlov's Dogs by jazman_777 (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:05PM
  • boycott is not the answer (Score:4, Insightful)

    by tiedyejeremy (559815) on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:05PM (#4910723) Homepage Journal
    What we need is someone to step up and provide what we DO want and then buy from them. So long as there is no alternative, then "boycotting" can never work. If you feel strongly about the issue, buy from and support those that are not funded or owned by the bad guys.
  • Why Boycott all of RIAA? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by CaptainPsyko (632409) <Kcausin@ h a m i l t o n . e du> on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:05PM (#4910725) Journal
    RIAA is disproportionately controlled by the Big 5 labels, despite the large membership including dozens of indie labels, few of those labels have anything to do with what RIAA says or does. Furthermore, many of those labels are members of RIAA more to gain legitimacy and access to basic distribution channels etc - not to fight your digital rights.

    We'd be much better off boycotting the Big 5 of the music industry - Sony, Warner, EMI, BMG, Universal, and leaving indie labels and musicians that need every last bit of support alone.
  • it won't work by the_rev_matt (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:05PM
  • The hard part... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Fugly (118668) on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:06PM (#4910728) Homepage
    The hard part is actually getting enough people to understand the issues and join the boycott. It's not simple, you can't tell people they're slaughtering cute little puppies for fur or something. You have to go into a huge explaination of the issues at the end of which, most people's response is "So what?".

    I personally no longer purchase new CD's unless I'm buying them directly from an unsigned artist. I go to the used record store if I want something published by a label. It might take a little while for something specific to show up but I always have a list of 20-30 CD's that I want to buy at a given time anyhow. I would certainly participate in an official boycott and do my best to explain the position to non-geeks. However, my gut instinct is that the only way you can get a boycott against the record companies to work is to say they're drowning bags of kittens to make CD's or something.

    Don't expect any support from the media either...
  • brainwashed (Score:5, Informative)

    by avandesande (143899) on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:06PM (#4910732) Journal
    These companies have spent billions brainwashing us to think that we actually want these things. The new evolutionary strength is going be people's ability to filter out media and advertising. Wise Up.
    • Re:brainwashed by JordoCrouse (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:35PM
      • Re:brainwashed by avandesande (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:43PM
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      • Re:brainwashed by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @01:45AM
      • Re:brainwashed by evilpenguin (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @08:25PM
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    • Re:brainwashed by EvilNTUser (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:36PM
    • Re:brainwashed by Otter (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:19PM
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  • yes but after The Two Towers by ngiordano (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:06PM
  • One year after the boycott... by tuxracer (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:06PM
  • Boycott? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Em Emalb (452530) <(ememalb) (at) (gmail.com)> on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:06PM (#4910736) Homepage Journal
    Those with children:Try explaining to little Suzy why she can't have the latest Britney cd, or why you
    don't want her to go the movies because of your beliefs.
    I doubt she will care.

    [sarcasm]I'm sure the looks you'll get when you explain to her why the **AA's are bad will justify it.[/sarcasm]

    Those without children:is it ok to support a large corporation that's greedy? Well, apparently so, since the majority of /.ers use products everyday made by large, greedy corps. So, you make the call. Boycott? Me thinks this would work only if you got enough people together to hit the bottom line of these companies. Something on the order of Napster's followers when it was popular. Now, I am going to get flamed for this opinion, but that's ok. The truth is out there.
  • Because... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:06PM (#4910741)
    I must have it...
    I must watch it...
    I must own it...
    My own...
    My preciousssssss
  • Boycotting RIAA since 2000... by Rai (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:06PM
  • If you want something done. . . (Score:5, Insightful)

    by WankersRevenge (452399) on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:07PM (#4910750) Homepage
    Put your energy and time and $$$ into lobbyists who will push your agenda in Washington.

    otherwise, cut out your eyes and ears. 'cause, really, there's no way of stopping yourself from putting money into their hands. When you listen to the radio, you are supporting the RIAA via advertisers. Same with network television. a media boycott is just not feasible in a media saturated country (it's one of the US' largest exports)
  • Sort of already doing it ... by nicodaemos (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:07PM
  • Life change for most by Bellator (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:07PM
  • No, it wouldn't unless.. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by tassii (615268) on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:07PM (#4910756)
    If you want a boycott to be effective you have RIAA/MPAA has to be aware there IS a boycott. To quote Dr. Strangelove "What good is a Doomsday weapon if you don't tell anyone you have it?!?"

    A bunch of people suddenly stopping use of a product(s) does not send a company a message. It must involve some sort of media frenzy so that the message is clear. If we just stop buying/supporting RIAA/MPAA without letting them know that there is a boycott, then they'll just see that as further justification that pirates are cutting into their profits.
  • People are already boycotting.... by tchueh (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:07PM
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  • Donate to the library! (Score:5, Interesting)


    There is a simple way you can take action against the MPAA and RIAA. Donate your old music CDs and movie videos to your public library.

    If you later decide that you want to hear or watch something you donated, just get it out of the library.
  • You need an alternative for a boycott to work. by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:08PM
  • Nope Not Gonna Help at All! by haplo21112 (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:08PM
  • Boycott by brocheck (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:08PM
  • I know they've lost money where I am concerned. by iggly_iguana (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:09PM
  • by IvyMike (178408) on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:09PM (#4910787)

    At least, that what's the RIAA is going to say.

  • Boycott in the 'off season' by Myrke (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:09PM
  • It could hurt us too (Score:5, Interesting)

    by AtomicDog (168155) on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:09PM (#4910795) Homepage
    If sales happened to go down because of this, they would probably blame lack of sales on file sharing and piracy. They've done it before.

    For this reason and because we geeks make up a small portion of all who give money to them, it's probably best for us to increase awareness of all the bad that the MPAA/RIAA are doing and support groups like the EFF.
  • P2P by Xocet_00 (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:09PM
    • Re:P2P by 40000 (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @03:04PM
    • Re:P2P by AKnightCowboy (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:09PM
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  • Yes! by AnonymousCowheard (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:09PM
    • Re:Yes! by diego001 (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @01:15AM
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  • Mannheim Steamroller by AlgUSF (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:10PM
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  • We need the masses on our side. by betanerd (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:10PM
  • Solution by schnits0r (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:10PM
  • Why boycotts are a risky business (Score:5, Informative)

    by NewtonsLaw (409638) on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:10PM (#4910812)
    Wow.. great minds think alike (whilst fools seldom differ)

    I was just pondering the practicalities of a RIAA boycot this morning (okay, who installed the trojan on my PC??? :-)

    Unfortunately, such boycotts can backfire very, very badly.

    Imagine if the /. community proclaimed a boycott and refused to buy CDs for a month.

    If CD sales remained unaffected then the RIAA could simply turn around and say that this proves most people are happy with their pricing, their product and their attitudes to the marketplace.

    Or, even worse, if such a boycott did affect sales in a negative way, they'd simply say that this was due to piracy and that it endorses their stand on copy-protection, the DMCA, etc.

    In effect, we'd be hoist by our own petard.

    Anyone contemplating a boycott ought to be very sure they've got the numbers (and I'm talking *big* numbers) before they embark on such an action.

    A better way might be to incite people to get active in starting a petition protesting the loss of fair use due to recent and proposed moves by the RIAA/MPAA.

    This would have to be a petition where signatures are collected in ink, on sheets of paper. Cyber petitions are too easily discredited.

    I'm sure, given the seven degrees of separation principle, that if everyone here solicited everyone they knew to sign such a petition, and got them to do likewise, it wouldn't be too hard to dump a very large truckload of dead-tree pulp and ink on the doorstep of Congress.

    That's the way democracy works isn't it?
  • Demand by silvaran (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:10PM
    • Re:Demand by CashCarSTAR (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:49PM
    • Re:Demand by susano_otter (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:58PM
  • MPAA == Streetcars? by YetAnotherAnonymousC (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:10PM
  • Hmm.... by digerata (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:10PM
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  • It depends on its effectiveness by Telex4 (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:10PM
  • Unlikely to happen by morhoj (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:10PM
  • Let's start a new media association! by m4gg0tbr41n (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:10PM
  • Well .... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by binaryDigit (557647) on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:11PM (#4910826)
    It wouldn't be counter productive, but just like anything else, one has to determine what they are trying to achieve and choose the best way to get there.

    As far as I can tell (and this applies to me personally) the biggest gripe that people have about MPAA/RIAA is that they want to squelch a persons right to fair use. I don't think anyone begrudges their attempts to keep actually pirating at bay, it's only when these attempts prevent the legitimate owners from doing things that the copyright laws appear to allow is when hackles get raised. Please feel free to add anything else (like artists rights, but I don't really have an opinion on this personally as it is more contract law imho).

    OK, so we want to make sure our fair use rights are kept intact. How is the best way to go about doing this? I see two possible approaches. One approach that falls into the category of "why can't we all just get along", is this. /. is composed of many technical, knowledgeable people (well one or two and then everyone else ;), why don't we as the open source community do the unthinkable, and come up with a os technology to help the MPAA/RIAA attain their goal of making their content harder to illegally copy, but yet still allows fair use use. We regularly bash their attempts at doing this because they would rather err on the side of making the thing totally uncopyable, so why not pitch in and help to try to achieve a mutally agreeable (well as much as possible) solution.

    The second approach (and probably more realistic) is to say, "hey, no matter what technology we throw at it, people will copy it". Fine, this is a valid point. But lets be realists here and accept that the MP/RIAA will not take this for an answer. So again, I think having us as a community help them come up with a solution to their needs that is mutually beneficial. Suggest alternatives, create/push these alternatives. Put youself into their shoes, say "I need to protect my IP from those who would illegally gain/attain it" and say, how would I solve this issue?

    I guess both my suggestions fall into the category of, lets solve the problems instead of fighting wars. Not that I have anything against fighting wars, it's just that, like in "War Games", there can't be a winner. Sure we could "boycott", but would that REALLY do any good? We're just to small a segment to make any real impact with our wallets, but we could potentially make more impact with our heads.
    • Re:Well .... by ChaosDiscord (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:03PM
      • Re:Well .... by binaryDigit (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:15PM
  • Nice idea, but.. by chewy_2000 (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:11PM
  • What took you so long? (Score:3, Informative)

    by Pedrito (94783) on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:11PM (#4910837) Homepage
    I've been boycotting the RIAA since they first went after Napster. What took you guys so long? The only CD's I've purchased in the last 2 years have been from indie labels. Not that my small boycott will make much difference, but I was kinda hoping the idea would catch on eventually.
  • already do (Score:3, Insightful)

    by rodentia (102779) on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:12PM (#4910840)
    I haven't bought a CD in 15 years. Got little use for Hollywood films. Your entertainment dollar goes a long way at small clubs and art houses. Buy used CDs and used books. And refine your tastes.
  • Well, all this boycott talk.... by drblunt (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:12PM
  • waste of time (Score:5, Insightful)

    by cenonce (597067) <anthony_t@ m a c . com> on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:12PM (#4910842) Homepage

    Boycotting is a complete waste of time in this case. We are not talking about boycotting fur which has a negative stigma attached to it, nor are we walking about sticking it to some small company that doesn't want to play by the rules. Media is just too pervasive in society and the next round of teenyboppers can keep the big media companies afloat with their rampant desire for the next N'Sync and Power Rangers.

    Beyond that, while there are many Slashdotters who have no problem skipping Star Wars or LOTR until it comes out on video, ask them to not purchase the next Resident Evil when it comes out. Video games (something geeks love) and the movies are hopelessly intertwined. When you support the video game or the console (hello!?! PS2 is made by SONY!) you support the DRM bills we all hate.

    If the geeks on Slashdot want to make a difference, they should

    1. Give some of their bucks to EFF or EPIC. That doesn't mean "don't go to the movies"... it just means offset your media habit with some donations to the people who fight for you!
    2. Keep track of the latest bills that affect patents, copyrights, digital media, licensing, etc on Thomas, EFF or EPICs webpages.
    3. Write (not e-mail) to your legislature politely expressing your views
    4. Comment when Agencies such as the FTC, Commerce Department and the FTC make requests for comments on bills affecting your rights.

    There are a lot of smart people reading Slashdot. I read a number of posts on any given topic that the author should just cut and paste into a letter, throw it in an envelope and send it to his or her legislator.

    That is how you make a difference... not by boycotting.

    -A
  • Not a chance... by nenya (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:12PM
  • Boycott Church, too? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by jazman_777 (44742) on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:12PM (#4910850) Homepage
    The church where I go pays a license fee (based on the size of the church) to sing a bunch of the newer songs. I protested to the guy who pays the bills, saying we should only sing public domain stuff. The fee (which is not all that much, really) goes to some company which is part of the RIAA. I figured all this out and am still trying to determine how upset I should be. I love the image of a Christian musician offering his works to the church "for the glory of God", and looming behind him is the dark visage of the State: "don't even think about singing these without paying!"
  • Why cant you... (Score:3, Informative)

    by Fapestniegd (34586) <james@noSpAM.jameswhite.org> on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:14PM (#4910864) Homepage
    Just give equal (or more) money to the EFF?
    See a movie, make a donation.
    Then at least you're not contributing to the net evil.
  • A boycott would have to take 2 forms by sammaytg1 (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:14PM
  • How about promoting alternatives by Yohahn (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:14PM
  • Easy way to boycot MPAA by Fizzlewhiff (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:15PM
  • Guess what... You are addicted !!! by Uzull (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:15PM
  • When you boycott the **AA... by dirgotronix (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:15PM
  • Only the finest for our listeners... by hephaistos (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:15PM
  • Options by McCarrum (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:16PM
  • Ok, show of hands here.... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by JUSTONEMORELATTE (584508) on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:17PM (#4910902) Homepage
    How many posts have the theme "I've been boycotting RIAA for years -- the last new CD I bought was xx years ago."

    News flash -- this means that RIAA doesn't care about you. By definition, you are not their customer. Hell, you're not even close to their target demographic. Why would they care if you love/hate/support/boycott/praise/condemn them?
    You, personally, have absolutely zero impact on their bottom line.
    Zip
    Nada
    --
  • American Way... by doomicon (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:17PM
  • Uh yeah. by dasmegabyte (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:18PM
  • I've been boycotting since 1998 ... by rlowe69 (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:18PM
  • TVT ? by Ark42 (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:19PM
  • Boycotts only treat the symptom by Goat In The Shell (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:19PM
  • Too much trouble. by seven89 (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:20PM
  • Impossible to boycott a meta-organization by Badger (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:20PM
  • It's hard to beat a monopoly. by Quixadhal (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:21PM
  • middle ground by Maskirovka (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:21PM
  • no. by jcw2112 (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:22PM
  • Simple: They have a Monopoly by Dr. Bent (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:22PM
  • by alizard (107678) <`moc.sice' `ta' `drazila'> on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:22PM (#4910961) Homepage
    Don't bother. It won't happen.

    An unsucessful boycott would simply demonstrate the impotence of the high-tech community with respect to any kind of political action, particularly since success in terms of affecting sales would require selling this outside the community, and would be worse than useless.

    However, there will be a consumer boycott, and it will be effective. The next generation of DRM disabled audio gear with no analog or digital outputs, i.e. encrypted from source to speakers or CRT is on its way and was discussed yesterday here.

    The public will scream its heads off when they find out what's in it, "You mean my VCR won't work, either?" and when they're told "DRM TV or NO TV", will be calling their Congresscritters telling them to tell the FCC to put off digital-only TV.

    Hollywood won't lose any money over this, but the high-tech manufacturers who bought into Hollywood bullshit will lose billions, and a lot of jobs are going to get lost. Hopefully, including those of the CEOs who were stupid enough to roll over and play dead for their new masters.

  • Boycott is NOT the answer. by thoolie (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:23PM
  • Been Doing A Limited Boycott Already by boogahboogah (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:23PM
  • How do you know when you've won? by unicorn (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:24PM
  • Simple by cybercuzco (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:24PM
  • The masses WANT their bread & circuses...... by Newer Guy (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:25PM
  • we need a semi-boycott by Sebby (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:25PM
  • by DunbarTheInept (764) on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:25PM (#4910998) Homepage
    The problem is that only a small percentage of the money I pay to see a movie is going toward funding the evil lawyers attacking fair use law. The vast majority is going toward stuff I *want* to support. I *want* to vote with my wallet by giving Peter Jackson money for Two Towers. I *want* to give money to the actors. I *want* to give money to the scriptwriters. I do *not* want to live in a world where there is no more entertainment industry. So what's to do? If you say a policy of zero tolerance is in order, such that as long as a company does any small thing I don't like I should never buy their products, then I'd never be buying anything at all, and would have to go off into the mountains to live as a hermit, growing my own food, sewing my own clothes, and so on.

    So what's the *practical* answer? What can drive the message home to the entertainment industry without making it cease to exist? From the point of view of the MPAA members, reduced movie attendance because of a grievance over their legal policies looks indistinguishable from reduced movie attendance because people don't like their movies. It just looks like there is less of an audience.

    This is especially a problem with the kinds of movies geeks like to see. If the industry sees that geek-friendly movies are not doing well, their reaction is NOT going to be to change their legal policies to appeal to the geeks. Their reaction is going to be, "Oh, I guess we should stop making movies like this - they don't seem to do very well for some reason." And then no more movies we like get made.

    So, yes, I *am* going to be giving my money to see The Two Towers - multiple times. But I will be sure to balance that out with donations to the EFF.

    • Yeah! by SuperKendall (Score:2) Wednesday December 18 2002, @01:40AM
  • hobgoblin of little minds by timothy (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:26PM
  • At this very moment: by grub (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:27PM
  • My boycott is already in place... by sgt_getraer (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:28PM
  • # geeks/ #ppl < .1% (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Flamesplash (469287) on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:29PM (#4911038) Homepage Journal
    Even if all the technogeeks in the US boycotted the MPAA I don't think there would be much impact. Geeks are a huge minority in the US, and I don't think non geeks really care.

    Most of the time people on /. are preaching to the choir about such initiatives.

    -shane
  • by crazyphilman (609923) on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:29PM (#4911040) Journal
    Hey, guys:

    Boycotting the MPAA and RIAA won't do any good, for one major reason: the number of people who actually care about this issue is so small compared to the population at large that the RIAA and MPAA is unlikely to even notice that a boycott is occurring.

    What WILL happen is that the people involved in the boycott will punish themselves, suffering weeks without internet access, movies, music, and so on, all just to find out that their suffering has all been in vain.

    Then, there are the logistical problems. How, for instance, will boycotters coordinate their activities if they cannot read Slashdot because their ISP is their cable company? And, if they cannot coordinate their efforts, isn't it possible that at least some of them will never realize the boycott is over, ending up forty years from now like latter-day Rip Van Winkles, trying to plug decades-old Linux boxen into some hyper-modern network? Hair down to their ankles, teeth rotten away, eyes frozen into a thousand-yard stare?

    Let alone the withdrawl symptoms they'll experience when they give up their favorite games. Public-service wards will fill with people whose thumbs continually twitch, twitch, twitch in a memorized UT sequence... Periodically they'll yell "BUY A BIGGER GUN!" The orderlies will be nervous wrecks. Electroshock will certainly follow.

    No, friends, I think I'll pass. I think it will be a lot more fun if one of us creates a half-life mod oriented around the MPAA and/or RIAA headquarters and posts it to a friendly mirror. Surely at least ONE employee of one of these agencies reads slashdot? And, surely SOMEONE out there likes doing game mods, and has a few hours to spare?

    I'd just like to see the boss battle against Valenti. THAT would be SOMETHING. Do a sort of "ROBOVALENTI" theme, maybe. Use really bad, color mug shots from the media. Animate it like on SouthPark. Maybe do something like the "bedroom" scene between Saddam and the devil? Um... Or not. ;)
  • Yeah by unterderbrucke (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:29PM
  • RIAA but not MPAA by fr2asbury (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:29PM
  • why boycotting won't work by pulse2600 (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:29PM
  • No Media by nmp (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:29PM
  • Because... by emdee (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:30PM
  • the thing is.... by thexdane (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:30PM
  • Boycott my own culture? by AtariDatacenter (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:30PM
  • Anything out there to Slashdot? by LostCluster (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:31PM
  • Better idea by GrouchoMarx (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:33PM
  • A world with out the MPAA or the RIAA by kaltekar (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:35PM
  • because the mpaa/riaa have a monopoly on media by The_Rook (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:36PM
  • Legitimate Dead by Shamanin (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:37PM
  • I do boycott them, sort of... by anthony_dipierro (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:39PM
  • alternative to boycott by jdunlevy (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:39PM
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  • A better way . . . . . by Aliks (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:39PM
  • boycott solution by azoidx (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:43PM
  • Here's Why by LegendOfLink (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:46PM
  • Just doing my part by flagstone (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:48PM
  • Redundant by PRickard (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:48PM
  • We would not even make a blip by nurb432 (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:49PM
  • People are lazy and don't care enough by lonemonk (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:50PM
  • not to pass the buck, but... by happyloman (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:52PM
  • None for me. by windex (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:52PM
  • Robin Hood Activism by Darwiniac (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:53PM
  • Hmm... How about a second-teir boycott by loren (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:59PM
  • Boycott == piracy (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Sleepy (4551) on Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:08PM (#4911377) Homepage
    I say boycotting RIAA/MPAA will *hurt* the cause. Furthermore, if you don't buy (license) MORE movies and music, you just might be responsible for new draconian laws designed to keep content dealers afloat.

    (irony intended)

    Sound absurd? Not really. All of the television and much of the print news has some affiliation with the RIAA/MPAA. On the news, slumping music sales are attributed to piracy by kids. If THAT is true, then declining automobile sales must be caused by little green men from mars, because the media is pretty much ignoring the economy right now.

    News outlets like CNN run -- unedited -- the RIAA's claim of 400 burners siezed in that NY piracy raid. Never mind that it is NOT TRUE, the news doesn't care about accuracy and even if they are aware of an error, they have a vested interest in the RIAA/MPAA.

    Anyways, they'll just spin it so the boycott gets no mention, and dropping sales is because of filesharing on that evil Gnutella network, and obviously the RIAA needs a license to hack your system looking for loot... blah blah

    -S
    "They're grups! bonk, bonk, on the head."
  • A Boycott Would Be *Bad* by xRizen (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:10PM
  • Evil? by Rat Tank (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:11PM
  • In spanish by obdulio (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:11PM
  • I already do by jmoore2333 (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:13PM
  • The Plan by loucipher (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:15PM
  • a boycott won't help by SirOgre (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:17PM
  • do business with their competitors by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:17PM
  • Practical Suggestions by serutan (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:19PM
  • Hell, I already do... by prh1999 (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:20PM
  • McWorld by spikexyz (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:20PM
  • my friends laugh... by Kunta Kinte (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:21PM
  • go to the source by FunkyMonkey (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:26PM
  • Hard to say... by NeverNow (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:28PM
  • Why this isn't effective by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:30PM
  • Why not boycot Kazaa/Limewire/Morpheus? by geekee (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:32PM
  • Only if you had enough people by pyite69 (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:39PM
  • how about a useful SF project for musicians by kraksmoka (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:39PM
  • Boycott the point that will cause REAL panic by Allnighterking (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:40PM
  • Congress won't fix this for us by hebble (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:43PM
  • The boycott has been in place for over a year... by oldenough2knowbetter (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:54PM
  • Movies vs. Music by harlows_monkeys (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @06:58PM
  • resistence is futile by rawshark (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:09PM
  • Organize and get the word out. by funkydollabill (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:09PM
  • Boycott and... by girth (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:12PM
  • I've already started by idris33 (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:13PM
  • Face it... by Dread_ed (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:19PM
  • A different approach by jat2 (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:22PM
  • Viable Alternatives by FroBugg (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:26PM
  • I have been boycotting for 6 years. by Maudib (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:38PM
  • Boycott today, get the press to notice and we win. by funkywizard (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:39PM
  • Like the blues - buy here by stantasy (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:41PM
  • Futile. Use the Govermnet Instead by crimoid (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:43PM
  • are we a community? by Cyno (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:47PM
  • So don't pay for DVDs... by vandan (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:52PM
  • Go to a play or read a book or hear a concert by crovira (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:54PM
  • Okay, I'm ready to boycott by Ignorant Aardvark (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:57PM
  • Here's a novel notion... by SetiAlphaOne (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @07:59PM
  • Get Legal by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @08:00PM
  • Why won't we boycot? Simple. by The AtomicPunk (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @08:02PM
  • A different perspective on this whole issue by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @08:05PM
  • Alternative solution by Fjord (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @08:17PM
  • It would help, but... by crashnbur (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @08:22PM
  • Boycott = Counterproductive by MntlChaos (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @08:32PM
  • In terms of music.. by VWswing (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @08:33PM
  • Is there another way...? by SpoonMeiser (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @08:40PM
  • Some of Us HAVE Been Boycotting the MPAA by edward.virtually@pob (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @08:55PM
  • piracy is a red herring. its way beyond fair use. by pixel fairy (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @08:56PM
  • Artists vs. Special Interests by kalidasa (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @09:45PM
  • Towards a more constructive approach by Bloody Peasant (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @10:11PM
  • So what you're all saying is it's worth the price by bartwol (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @10:16PM
  • Revolution by ONOIML8 (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @10:20PM
  • Not so sure by SailorFrag (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @10:33PM
  • clean label _not_ on RIAA by blueworm (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @10:37PM
  • it's easy by Tin0men (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @11:07PM
  • Boycott us, the MPAA? HA! by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @11:36PM
  • Who should really Boycott by GargoyleTS (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @11:49PM
  • I have... by RageMachine (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @11:54PM
  • Wouldn't help by jamshedji (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @12:02AM
  • Missing the point (Score:3, Insightful)

    by deblau (68023) <slashdot.25.flickboy@spamgourmet.com> on Wednesday December 18 2002, @12:06AM (#4913671) Journal
    I'm not going to boycott someone based on some ideological principle. If someone puts out a good movie, I'll go see it, in the theatre. If an artist makes a good CD, I'll buy it, brand new, from my local retail $tore.

    The reason the ??AA don't get my money is that my standards for what is 'good' are higher than 99% of the crap they generate. I'm just not interested. If they can find a way to make me interested, they'll get my money. This is the way most people think. The problem everyone seems to be having is that most people settle for what the ??AA is putting out, and it's not good enough for this crowd's tastes.

    So what's your problem? Don't go to the movies. You won't be missed, and you won't miss it. Just don't whine about a useless and impractical boycott for ideology's sake. Heaven forbid, you might actually try doing something about it, like starting your own production house. But OMG, that'd require, like, getting off your ass and going outside. And being slightly intelligent and business-savvy. And dealing with liars, cheats, VCs, and all sorts of other unmentionables. Naw, much easier for you to sit down, bitch about how much life sucks on /., and munch Cheetos.

  • demands by cronian (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @12:06AM
  • Forget it. by schmiddy (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @12:12AM
  • The bottom line by nukeade (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @12:29AM
  • You would need support of MILLIONS by bushboy (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @12:58AM
  • People Do Listen to Geeks by VB (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @01:06AM
  • Letter writing campaign/Appreciation day? by SuperBug (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @01:35AM
  • Blank CDRs by malachid69 (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @01:41AM
    • Re:Blank CDRs by thumbtack (Score:2) Wednesday December 18 2002, @03:04AM
  • boycott wouldn't be a hardship by Voline (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @01:50AM
  • The Problems with a Boycott (Score:3, Insightful)

    by dWhisper (318846) on Wednesday December 18 2002, @02:11AM (#4914134) Journal
    About 5 years ago, there was a huge drive in the church community to boycott Disney, their movies, and all things associated with Mickey Mouse and friends. The reasons were inane: they had marketing offerings for all types of Sexual Orientations at their theme parks, and had pro-orientation awareness politics in their workplace culture. Thousands of parents threw away their kids copies of the Disney Classics, forbid their kids from watching those movies and shows, and thought they could actually make a difference.

    There is a difference here, of sorts, in that the MPAA actually has reasons to deserve the boycott and bad press. They're about as close to evil as a company can get. But it would still do no good.

    We're not talking about something easy to get around. I cannot blame a company's product for actions on the company. I don't care how bad the RIAA is, I will still support the artists I love and get their CDs. Used isn't an option on New CDs, and that is the surefire way to guarantee that the artist will not get any money from your purchase. At least they get something from a retail sale.

    As a proud member of the masses, I enjoy purchasing things like CDs, DVDs, and Video Games. There are incentives to buying a DVD these days. All those bonus features, deleted scenes, etc. There is no other medium that moves around the RIAA/MPAA that offers these things. This problem is not new, and will not go away, it just simply is part of capitalism.

    There is no true alternative for a lot of entertainment venues out there. Movies are movies, and even if you download them, you trade quality and extras for that "freedom". And there is a rule... if enough people do it, and they actually lose money, then things will vanish. How many bands out there have been affected by poor album sales, and then been dropped by a label. There is no way that I can tell if they were killed off by KaZaA or the other Napster clones, but I'm sure at some point it helped. The same could some day be true with movies.

    The problem is in what the RIAA does now, and how much of a drain they are. Boycotting perfectly good movies and artists will not make the RIAA/MPAA go away. It will strangle out the good artists, and we will be covered with every clone and "corporate success" artist out there. Even if the artists are only getting $1 a CD, they are still getting that dollar, and boycotting them affects that too.

    What I would look at doing is trying, like some others, to bring the truth about the RIAA/MPAA to light for all to see. Passing around those articles, writing letters to congressmen, or making those visible posts. The /. readers are huge, but we are still a small piece of the pie. Get something big enough to get on MSN, CNN or Yahoo that is not bias and you've done something. Support the artists through their website and concerts, though even there, you're feeding the beast (who do you think the artists have to buy their CDs from?) and not completely free from them. The key to this game is exposure, and getting some people that have power. All the negative press out there won't help until someone who can do something reads it, and then acts on it.
  • what's a boycott by bitspotter (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @02:24AM
  • I do. by prizog (Score:2) Wednesday December 18 2002, @02:55AM
  • boycott-riaa (Score:4, Interesting)

    by thumbtack (445103) <<thumbtack> <at> <juno.com>> on Wednesday December 18 2002, @02:56AM (#4914252)
    It's good to see that people are actually talking about this again. As the founder of boycott-riaa.com [boycott-riaa.com] on July 13, 2002, I've been at this for quite sometime. When the original threat of Napster being shutdown loomed, people got incensed and it made difference. That lasted right up until other file sharing programs became available.

    We still get a large number of visitors who drop by the site on a daily basis, to check to see what the news is. Some of the most recent articles include: "RIAA's Statistics Don't Add Up to Piracy" (article) [boycott-riaa.com] and The RIAA's response to "How many CD Burners were there actually in the Queens Bust?"(article) [boycott-riaa.com] seems there were a heck of a lot less than the equivalent the stated. Straight from the horse's mouth

    My personal boycotting lead me to start buying independent music and I've actually been buying more music than I ever did from RIAA artists and labels. Partially because its often cheaper, around $8.00 -$10.00, and partially because the music is often much better, than what the majors are putting out.

    In 2001 RIAA sales were down 5% and they RIAA laid off 16 people in Jan 2002. This year the sales are down 7% to 9% (depending on whose numbers you read) hopefully we can look forward to more layoffs. Less staff less impact. The RIAA membership dues are a portion of the labels sales, lower sales=smaller budget=less impact.

    Those that say there is no affect on the RIAA and MPAA are misguided. In the past 2 1/2 years I've bought over 150 CDs from independent musicians, money that went to them, not to RIAA labels. But the largest affect that has taken place is that people are begining to discover independent music, are buying it, ignoring the majors offerings, and as a result the RIAA is becoming the Maginot Line [www.dlc.fi] of the music industry. We make them irrelvant by bypassing them. What else is happening is that artists are beginning to wake up speaking out as well, Joni Mitchell, Janis Ian, Elton John, The RAC headed by Don Henley, just to name a few. The RIAA's positions coupled with a loss of sales, has come to the attention of Congress, The DOJ to name but a few and many former backers in congress are finding that the RIAA isn't always right or even telling them the truth. Unethical business practices are coming to light that have been the industry standard for years, that are forcing changes in the way the industry works, in their actions toward artists and consumers.

    This is not an if/then type of thing, there are a lot of varibles involved, that each action has an effect somewhere, maybe very subtle, but the overall result is that while the RIAA is winning the battles, they are losing the war. And their desperation is showing.
    • Re:boycott-riaa by thumbtack (Score:2) Wednesday December 18 2002, @06:08PM
  • Just write them a letter by saikou (Score:2) Wednesday December 18 2002, @03:21AM
  • It's not all-or-nothing... by Cryptnotic (Score:2) Wednesday December 18 2002, @03:26AM
  • Stick to Internet friendly bands by brewsterk (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @04:02AM
  • No..it won't help...because..... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by PhrozenF (205108) on Wednesday December 18 2002, @04:44AM (#4914496) Homepage
    Doing so, that is, "ignoring" what RIAA/MPAA sell to you means ignoring the work of the artists behind all that stuff....so yes. It harms the RIAA/MPAA, but it harms the artists even more....and it's the artists that are essential for the industry, or your interest in music/movies/snips to survive.

    The solution is the other way around, "artists and producers" need to "ignore" the RIAA/MPAA and find alternative distribution models, alternative promotion models, and change the way they deal with customers....as of now....every customer who pays $14 to a retailer, and gets one CD, is paying the retailer around $2, and the rest goes to RIAA distributors, who keep another dollar and a half, and pass on the rest to the record company. So the record company gets around US$ 10.5 per CD sold at full price.

    Out of that, depending on how good a deal the lawyers of the band managed to cut out, the artist gets somewhere between US$1 to US$3 per disc, plus the check they got for recording if they were lucky. Record studios keep the rest, and account for production/promotion costs.

    Let's say "Public Enemy" did an album, got paid US$2 a disc ("good" payment), and a bill of US$ 0.5 million for recording it (highly unlikely), and they sold a million copies, then overall, RIAA managed to get US$ 8 per disc, let's deduct US$ 1 for production (too much, but then let's take the worst case), and put a hefty big promotion worth US$ 1 million for the overall project, then too, the record label made a total of US$ 6 million on this recording in just the base first week/month sales of the album. Whereas artists made US$ 2.5 million, but then that's the best case for the artist, and the worst for the company.

    In real world, not only do the artists get paid far less, they also loose the rights to their own work, and that means being unable to "re-sell" their own old music to another company, when their contract with one company expires, or breaks out.

    The artist got only US$ 2.5 (in an optimal case) for 1 million copies of his album, lost his music; fans got Costlier CDs, RIAA got rich.

    Let's say the artists did everything all by themselves, produce, market, promote and then sell, one album for US$ 7 for a physical "CD", and an electronic download for US$ 5.5 for the entire album download, or US$1.5 for the "best singles".

    It costs US$ 0.5 million to get two weeks for a final recording in a good sound studio. It costs US$1 to make a CD with jewel case and covers, a nice poster and a nice lyrics booklet. Let's say they spent US$.5 million in making and spreading a music video, US$0.5 million in promos and adverts, and outsourced distribution from one of the underground low-price distribution networks, pay them US$ 1 per CD sold, the total cost, other than the artistic talent, comes to around US$ 3 to produce an album.

    Let's say they sold 1 million CDs, because other than their talent, the marketing was better because they spent more money, and went the right way, and then, the album is cheaper, and has more goodies. They still own their music, they earn from the online sales in "full", and that single the public really fancied will sell so much for US$1.5 that it would make them even more money to pump into promos. This lands the band on a cash pit of over US$ 5 million, while making it cheaper for customers to acquire their music.

    Now, obviously, a new artist won't have so much money to pump into all this, so the established ones need to begin on this first, and the others will soon latch on. Obviously, there will be other music companies, those who will be the "breeding ground" for new upcoming artists, invest in their effort, and overall, make money, but then, the internet makes it so much easier to begin small, and then grow up big for any artist.

    Now, the dynamics for the movie industry are a little different, and i'm not so familiar with those, but i guess similar things apply there too, specifically in the DVD sales area.

    So guys, it's the artists who need to "ignore" the RIAA/MPAA alliance, and find alternative means to reach their audience. Not the other way around.
  • The results of a boycut by blinx_ (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @04:45AM
  • How else can we pay the artists... by timbrown (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @05:03AM
  • The failure rate... by InadequateCamel (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @05:19AM
  • Real Problem is Politics, Inc. by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @10:19AM
  • best way to boycott... by ncstockguy (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @12:37PM
  • Effective boycotts by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday December 18 2002, @03:03PM
  • Re:Slashdot and the boycott by AirLace (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:05PM
  • So incredibly stupid by hackwrench (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:09PM
  • by Call Me Black Cloud (616282) on Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:14PM (#4910869)
    So why are you AC? Afraid a friend might see you getting popcorn for the late showing of LOTR?
    [ Parent ]
  • Re:Been boycotting for years by Call Me Black Cloud (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:19PM
  • Re:Been boycotting for years by LineNoiz (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @05:23PM
  • Re:Boycott CD's by macdaddy357 (Score:2) Tuesday December 17 2002, @08:59PM
  • Re:We have laws against that... by MCZapf (Score:1) Tuesday December 17 2002, @11:57PM
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