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The Effects of Smoking on Your Computer? 43

cencini asks: "Over the past few years, I've ended up fixing computers for a lot of different people, some of whom are smokers. One thing I've noticed about the smokers' computers (particularly those who smoke near their machine) is that they are absolutely disgusting inside. Is there anything that has linked smoking to computer damage (since we know the other types of damage it does), and has anybody else observed this phenomenon?" I too have looked into the insides of the boxen of heavy smokers, and I must confirm that it is not a pretty site. But aside from the asthetics (the yellowing plastic, the tar imbued dust, and that nasty residue) are there other, more subtle problems that can occur that can be connected to smoke damage?
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  • by Anonymous Coward
    I once was summoned via service call to a plumber's office, located in the garage of his house. Seems his floppy drive wouldn't read disks. I further investigated, and found that the back half of the garage was the plumber's "hobby" space, devoted to woodworking. All the routing, sanding, lathing, etc. must have kicked up quite a bit of dust, as the floppy drive in his machine was pretty well packed. System was only a few months old at the time, too.

    Morale of the story: any airborne particulates are bad. In addition to not feeding the computer, and not giving the computer a drink, I now admonish people that computers like fresh air where possible. (But not TOO fresh!)
  • I can't attest that smoking causes yellow plastic - that is caused by natural degradation and ultraviolet light. However, if you're a non smoker, blowing the dust out of a smoker's computer can be quite a hazzard. I will usually take such a machine outside and blow it with an electric leaf blower, or I die in a coughing fit.

    The dust particles seem stickier, but it's unclear whether this causes any more failures of mechanical components. Circuits are fairly resilient to dust, aside from added heat through insulation.

    I've seen filthy mechanical parts, regardless of smoke, that I couldn't believe still worked. Printers are probably much more susceptible to smoking damage. Your best advice is to keep the ash tray off the CD tray and don't use your floppy as a cigarette holder.
  • What a fucking nonsensical, nazi attack on everybody's favourite whipping boy, the bad bad smoker.

    Invoking a comparison to Hitler and/or the Nazis is generally a sign that you've no worthwhile arguments. Do try to avoid it.

    In any event, "What effects does heavy smoking near a computer have on its operation?" is a legitimate question. That the person who originally posted the question finds smoking (or at least its aftereffects on a computer) "disgusting", and you evidently don't, has no effect on whether or not the question is legitimate. Certainly the answer would be of interest to any computer techs out there.

    What about chip fragments for all the fucking fatass computer programmers out there? What about all the coke spilled on various computer parts by all the fucking assholes who drink that shite.

    The damage that can be done by those particular items is well-known.

    Oooh, gooy yuck. Get a fucking life. Bunch of fucking ponces.

    Someone moderated this as "insightful"? *sigh* Time to turn "willing to moderate" back on...

  • Not sure what smoking can do to a computer, the company I work at has a strict policy about only smoking outside. But we have a cafe here with a computer for them to take email orders on. They used to keep the poor thing next to a deap fryer till it died.
    Now everyone, all at once eewww for poor me when I had to open it to diagnose it.
    We ended up throwing it out, but I was always curious what would happen if I took a match to it.
  • I've heard that smoke (esp. from cigarettes) is acidic and slowly etches away the ICs and circuts on the boards. But that's just what I've heard.
  • When you say drum, I think of the spinning cylinder jobbies (think sewer pipe).

    That's correct - the original poster was talking about *old* hard drives, which did use drums.

  • I feel the same way. My wife and I both smoke, but now that we have a kid we don't smoke in the house any longer. Maybe in the garage on those really cold winter nights...
    I haven't noticed any real difference. Well, the amount of dust in my computers seems to be less than when I was single, but I would attribute that more to better housekeeping and the death of my cat who shed All The Time.

    The dustballs in my computers now seem to be a bit smaller, and perhaps a bit less sticky, but overall, no real difference. I still use several parts from the computers I had as a bachelor and all seem to be working fine. Only thing that's inexplicably died is my SoundBlaster Live, which wasn't but 1.5 years old and I attribute more toward shoddy workmanship than anything else.

    But also, we're not heavy smokers. I do about a halfpack a day and she even less. However, when I lived on my own, I often had friends over for beer drinking events and the house was FULL of smoke very often.

    I guess maybe those that are the most affected are those that really do blow smoke toward their cases?

  • I worked in a University help desk for a while, and freelanced for a local computer store doing techy things, and I could always tell who smoked by the amount of dust caked inside the machine. This junk covers processor fans, heatsinks, gets gummed up in the power supply, edge connectors, everywhere. The local computer store started charging a half-hour cleanup fee for people who smoked at their machine. It is BAD, BAD, BAD! Especially on modern machines where heat becomes a real problem, the dust makes the heatsinks and fans much less effective. Remember, your computer acts like an air filter, if your room is dusty or smoke-filled, your computer is gonna try to filter all that out...
  • if your room is dusty or smoke-filled, your computer is gonna try to filter all that out...
    To be nit-picky, anything that has air moving past it is going to collect some of the particulate matter in the air, by impingement if nothing else (air turns the corner, dust mote can't make the curve). Calling this "trying" is, well, trying to anyone familiar with the pathetic fallacy. ;)

    "You try my patience, sir!"
    "Don't mind if I do. You'll have to try mine sometime."
    --
    Knowledge is power
    Power corrupts
    Study hard

  • And I had such aspirations for myself, too. ;)
    --
    Knowledge is power
    Power corrupts
    Study hard
  • Someone told me once that smoking is bad for hdd's because the small particulate matter of smoke can permeate the air filter on the hard disk and get inside. I know that at least some hard drives are not comlpletely sealed to outside air. My old IBM XT hard drive had a little paper filter that allowed pressure equalization between the inside of the drive and the outside air.

    I haven't yet seen such a device on any newer drives, so I can't comment on them.

  • Back in high school, I fixed computers for most of my friends. My one friend's father was a heavy smoker, and they had a cat. Talk about a nasty combination. The tar from the smoke coated the inside of the computer with sticky goo, which then got coated with cat hair. They had a harddrive and a cdrom fail on them. Of course I can't prove that that caused it, but I still refuse to work on anyone's computer if they smoke and have a cat.
  • Yup, reminds me of the old days...

    In my first post-high school job, I worked part time at a computer store. We'd sold a system to a doctor, and after a few monthshis secretary called , complaining that it wasn't working. It was a (at the time) brand-new Cromemco Z-80 based system -- top of the line! -- with dual quad density double sided 8" floppy drives. The (rather large) box was perched on a shelf just off to the secretary's side, and it just so happened that the 8" drive openings were right where she blew her smoke.

    The doctor was getting upset with the company I worked for, accusing us of selling him defective hardware. On the third service call to replace the floppy drives, I told the doctor how to fix the problem. Battle-axe that she was, though, we were still making service calls on a regular basis when I left company two years later.

  • Around 10 years ago I had to test a bunch of old Ampex terminals which we had obtain from an old TurboDOS system we were currently decommissioning, in the hope that we could use them as replacements for the remaining TurboDOS user base. All of these terminals were stained yellow with nicotene, and were of not a good condition to pass on elsewhere. They keyboards

    The irony was that these terminals had come from the UK Department of Health, who amongst other things run anti-smoking capaigns.

  • I smoke, as real programmers program on
    nothing more than caffine and nicotine
    as they code down to the bare iron, so
    I can attest to the impact of long-term
    close range smoke. The first thing to go is
    the cute little CPU fan.

    This makes sense, since you know that airflow
    is highest through this fan.

    The bearing can gum up. Bad news.
  • But if you have a drum, then you don't have platters. It still doesn't make sense. You can have the old disk packs, which have platters, but those are not drums either.
  • You're confusing me. When you say drum, I think of the spinning cylinder jobbies (think sewer pipe). How do "platters" come into play with that?
  • I too have had the misfortune to work on a friend's PC - she was a fairly heavy smoker, and everything inside the case was coated in a smelly brown goo, presumably an amalgam of tar & housedust.

    I was installing a sound card, not fixing a fault, but it did get me wondering - what are the issues in depositing a mildly conductive film on your motherboard?

    Matt
  • I find that after a few bong hits, my computer invariably acts funny, it ends up a #smokedot, and I understand "All your base are belong to us"
  • My roomate smokes, and a few times I've had to open up her PC to change a card or whatever. I've never noticed anything...unusual, just the usual muck that gets collected in there.

    I suppose it depends greatly on the location of the computer, and where the smoke is being exhaled. In a still room, its likely that even the fan within the PC will cause a mini-vaccum drawing in larger amounts of air. The real cause of cigarette smell, though, is the placement, and cleansing, of the ash tray. I've lived with a smoker for two years, and unless she just finished, it never smells like smoke. Part of that is because she always vents the room, but a lot of it has to do with the fact that she always keeps her ashtrays clean. You want to avoid a smoke filled room? Clean the ashtrays, that's where a majority of the smell originates.

  • I used to be a chain smoker, and have lived
    in many environments. Keep your computer
    in a good environment (duh). I have had
    parts die due to dust/dirt/smoke because
    the area was not well ventilated. I have
    had computers last much longer in well
    ventilated areas. I once had a computer
    die becuase of cold (some mf who i trusted
    to store my computer thought that it would
    be ok in the garage, in winter, in upstate
    NY). Well, I quit smoking (and sold out).
    And now my computers are in a much more
    hospitable environment and the parts seem
    to last a lot longer.

    -CrackElf
  • Speaking as one of the many vile smokers (who happens to know several other technically oriented smokers) I'd have to say that the failure rate on floppy drives does increase noticably. On the yellow dust or smell issue, either I don't know any really heavy smokers, or our normal equipment replacement cycle is short enough not to notice.
  • (refrains from bad tape drive/tar puns)
  • My girlf's parents smoke -- not a lot, but enought to impact her PC. She usually has to replace the fans in her case (only two, though), because they get clogged with sticky dust, and i works it's way into the motor or causes the bearings to impact or any number of things. I can't attest to the yellowed plastic, but the blackend dust is terrible.

    In a attepts to remedy this, we put cheesecloth filters over the sites of heavy air intake -- it helps immensly, and I would suggest you try it if you need to. Alternatly, many 'server' cases have washable filters that snap over the air intake ports, but those cases are in the 100+ USD range.

    I don't mean to beat up on any smokers, but thats just the way it is. One way to compare is to compare the dust inside a PC in a smoke-filled house with one that isn't -- the one sans smoke will still be covvered with dust, eys, but in this case it will be fine white dust which is, interestingly enough, skin cells. The key here is that it doesn't have the adhesive properties that tar-laden dust does.

  • We have a client that has the most digusting smoky office ever. I swear everyone in this office lights a cigarette every 15 seconds or so. There is literally a cigarette burning on almost every desk all the time. In the last six months I have replaced 3 flopy drives, 4 hard drives, 2 CD-ROMS, and about 12 fans. The smoke seems to muck up the cheap Quantum IDE harddrives that we use in our white boxes, but we have yet to lose a SCSI drive.... curious.

    The other huge pblm with this office is I always go there before lunch so I can change my clothes at luch so i don't smell like an ashtray thats been sitting in a bar for 3 days, its just plain nasty, WTF are people thinking smoking in the office.

  • I've heard that the particles in smoke will cause problems with keyboards, and also with things like floppy drives that are sensitive to dust.

    DISCLAIMER: I haven't directly observed any smoking-related computer problems.
  • "In a attepts to remedy this, we put cheesecloth filters over the sites of heavy air intake -- it helps immensly, and I would suggest you try it if you need to. Alternatly, many 'server' cases have washable filters that snap over the air intake ports, but those cases are in the 100+ USD range."

    Plycon [plycon.com] sells computer fan filters, although I don't know if they'd help with cigarette smoke. I believe Radioshack has a few in their catalogue too.

    A used fabric softner sheet also seems to work well, as the loose weave doesn't hinder air flow too much. It doesn't keep the smaller particles of dust out, but I can attest to its ability to stop cat hair.

  • How often do you purchase smokers? It wasn't a cheap drive. I think it was a Yamaha 12x, but it may have been a Mitsumi. I have never had trouble with either brand. Either way, it's a paperweight now.

    --
  • We had an employee who has since been told to take it outside, who is a chain smoker. It didn't do much to the PC itself (6 yrs. old), but the CD-ROM drive died within a year. It made wonderful grinding noises, IIRC.

    --
  • I am not sure where all of the problems are coming from. I smoke, as do my brother, mother, and sister. I've never seen a failure on any computers that could be remotely attributed to smoking. Some examples:

    My Mac Classic. Two years in a dorm (only one while I was smoking). Hell, I had a plant on top of it that got overwatered, and even that didn't kill it. Only problem was the notorious power supply that kicked off before I went to college.

    My Mac Performa. Had it, used it, smoked near it for four years. Never had a problem with any drives, any peripherals (keyboard, mouse, printer, etc.)

    My current (two) pc's: one is about four years old. Only original parts are... Hmm. None. Oldest part is the keyboard. It's about 3.5 years old. The moboard and hda are a little over two years old. Machine two is about 15 months old. On both machines: both floppy drives work. All three cd drives work. Have only had the tape drive for about two months, so any commentary would be even more irrelevant than the rest of this post.

    Okay, big whoop. My brother and sister both have three year old machines that are chugging along fine. My brother's modem/sound card went south. Not sure why. Drives good, ditto mouse and keyboard. Sister had to replace the case and power supply when her apartment got flooded. Drives all working still.

    The killer: my mother had a Pentium 60. Old machine. Used it from about 1994 until 1999. It's still up and running as an office workstation. One hard drive went bad. Could be smoke. But more likely, some cat hair got sucked in somewhere (there was much more cat hair than anything blocking up the cooling passages) or else the drive hit the 50,000 MTBF wall (or whatever it was on that drive.)

    As a note: three of the smokers smoke avg. of 1 pack a day. One smokes 1.5-2 packs per day. All smoke 'light' or 'ultra-light' cigarettes. Sorry I don't have tar/nicotine levels available for perusal.

    But perhaps the most important point: all users mentioned use ashtrays and the computers are on the floor!!! (Except in the case of my Mac Classic and Mac Performa 476).

    So, while anecdotal, so are all of the other posts so far in this thread. It's probably not a good idea to smoke in front of the computer. But then again, accidentally dumping a cool beverage into one is probably worse.

    BTW, I had a roommate who tried to get my computer stoned. Didn't work. (Hey, there's an idea: turn that old Mac Classic into a bong.)

  • MEM>> My old IBM XT hard drive had a little paper filter that allowed pressure equalization between the inside of the drive and the outside air.

    I can vouch for the same technology used on current (well, 1997-era) drives. The hotter the drive runs, in fact, the more likely it is that such tech is required.

    I don't know if the filters are impermeable to the particles in cigarette smoke, though.

    That said, I've seen smoke and tar inside PCs. It's not pretty, and the heat buildup on the components must be pretty foul. I've seen flyback transformers on televisions that are positively furry.

  • ...which I'm sure you've heard [montypython.net] before...

    "I'm sick of all this smoking on the PC -- I mean, I keep falling off!"

    Nyuk nyuk nyuk...



  • In a previous job, I was once called to a Mac that's keyboard was giving grief. It was used by a bunch of people, one of the main users rolled his own cigarettes.

    When I opened the keyboard up, it had enough tobacco in it to make a pack.... obviously he'd been making cigs while he sat there working...
  • I have a few "stoner" friends left from HS [somehow darwin hasn't killed them yet], and they asked me to fix their computer a few years back ... Now, you have to immagine these guys, they are always smoking ... from the time they get up to the time they go to bed, its just one bowl after another. I remember one day I had to drop off something to their house (I don't recall what) on my way to work, 7:30 am these guys were already sucking on their bongs :) ... back to the story, I took their computer home, plugged it in, turned it on, and it started belchin out pot smell! In a few minutes my computer smelled completley like pot smoke ...

    I ended up opening a window and stacking enough books under the computer so that the exhaust shot out my window ... simply amazing.

  • I'm glad you quoted that - I was the person who posted that story.

    Thanks for saving me retyping it.

    She later came back and wanted a computer that could withstand being in a smoky environment. I told her that she'd be buying it from some industrial computer supplier and that it'd cost her. A lot.
  • Seldomly opened computer cases are always disgusting inside. Smoking just adds to it. DustPuppy [userfriendly.org] is real, you know.
  • Speaking as one of the many vile smokers (who happens to know several other technically oriented smokers) I'd have to say that the failure rate on floppy drives does increase noticably. On the yellow dust or smell issue, either I don't know any really heavy smokers, or our normal equipment replacement cycle is short enough not to notice.
  • by jd ( 1658 ) <imipak@ y a hoo.com> on Tuesday February 27, 2001 @06:12AM (#399384) Homepage Journal
    Tape drives, floppy drives - indeed, =ANY= drive that has mechanical components that are subject to dust and other air-borne hazards - can be affected by smoking.

    This was particularly true with very old computers. Reel-to-reel tape drives don't work so well, when everything gums up. And don't expect a drum hard drive to do anything but maul your platters if the drive heads are covered in dirt.

    As one other poster noted (though in a slightly inflamatory way), it doesn't matter so much as to the source, as to the dirt. Dirt's dirt, and coke will wreck a tape drive as readily as tar.

    HOWEVER, not all dirt is equal. Air-borne hazards are much more dangerous to machinary inside of a raised case than a liquid, merely because gasses and smoke tend to spread in all directions, ALL the time, whereas liquids usually stay put.

    Ok, having said all that, is smoking hazardous to a =MODERN= computer? The answer is considerably simpler. You probably don't want to breath smoke into an open tape drive or CD-ROM drive, and you should probably check that the fans are operating smoothly, from time to time. Beyond that, there's very few mechanical components exposed enough to the air to really worry about.

    Last, but not least, I =CAN= tell you, from my own experience, that nitric acid fumes will dissolve a computer, from the inside, and that if you're working in a chemistry lab, you really do need to check that the room's extraction fans are working correctly.

  • by babbage ( 61057 ) <cdeversNO@SPAMcis.usouthal.edu> on Tuesday February 27, 2001 @09:05AM (#399385) Homepage Journal
    So now along with the Surgeon General's warning, it seems that a Technologist General's warning is also required on every pack of cigarettes:
    "These things won't just fuck up your lungs, they'll fuck up your hard drive too. For God's sake man, QUIT SMOKING!"

    With all the typographic tools used machine-gun style to drive home the point... :)



  • by Lish ( 95509 ) on Tuesday February 27, 2001 @07:08AM (#399386)
    I remember one day in our intro computer class, where they showed a slide comparing the size of various airborne contaminants (dust, smoke, hair, etc.) to the distance between the hard drive platter and read head. Since a smoke particle is much bigger than the gap, it could cause a disk crash by striking the head. Here is a link to an article that mentions the phenomenon: HDD Page [digitalconcern.com]. It's under "How Drives Work." This assumes, of course, that the particle got through the seal on the hard drive, of course, which is improbable but not unheardof.

    You can also do a search for "microcontamination and hard drives" to find more.

  • by Alien54 ( 180860 ) on Tuesday February 27, 2001 @08:55AM (#399387) Journal
    The following two stories were found on the Computer Stupidities Webpage [rinkworks.com]. Look under Hardware Abuse [rinkworks.com].

    Note: These may be Urban Legends. But given my experience both in Tech Support, and Repair, I doubt it.

    Story One

    A friend of mine asked me to take a look at her computer. She said the computer was unusually "quiet" and would reboot itself on occasion. I surmised correctly that the fan on her power supply was faulty. She was a chain smoker and apparently smoked a lot while working on the computer; not only was the power supply fan gummed up with revolting tar and nicotine, but the CPU's cooling fan was clogged beyond use, and the cdrom drive drawer would not open. This is the only computer I have ever worked on that died from smoking.

    Story Two

    In reply to the above anecdote of stupidity, a reader sent in the following:

    I've seen a computer die from smoking, too.

    A customer came in with a dead computer, claimed it was under warranty, and asked if we could fix it. We had look at it, and before we even laid eyes on it, we could smell it. Imagine the stench of an overused ashtray times ten.

    We looked at the yellow case (it was supposed to be beige) and the date of purchase (3-4 months previous) and goggled in disbelief that she actually had any lungs left.

    "What are you doing with this computer?" I asked in total disbelief.

    It was at a taxi service. She smoked, the cabbies smoked, and the room was apparently only about eight by twelve. Smoking took place 24/7 in this place, and her fingers and the computer bore witness. We opened the case, and there were visible deposits of brown tar everywhere. The whole thing was gummy and slimy inside.

    We had to tell her she was on her own. Naturally, she countered with the "it's under warranty" argument, but the computer was well beyond that. She left quite mad. We insisted she take her computer with her when she left.

    Final Note: Computers are not designed to be an airfilter for the entire smoking room. But they'll do, for a while.

  • by Beowulf_Boy ( 239340 ) on Tuesday February 27, 2001 @02:15AM (#399388)
    Severly, I put a modem in for a woman who was a heavy smoker. It was terrible, and her husband actually had enough nerve to ask me to clean it out for them (I wanted to take it out back and use the hose on it!).
    Everything was gummy, and it made my clothes stink so bad I actually changed them in the middle of the day.
    It seemed like they lit cigarettes, and just for the fun of it, taped em' on the front of the intake fan or something.
  • by ndfa ( 71139 ) on Tuesday February 27, 2001 @02:21AM (#399389)
    News Flash..

    Smoking amongst gamers reduced by almost 50% as the Powers that be released a study claiming that Smoking near computer may reduce FPS!

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