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Slashdot in Politics? 422

Michael "Codetalker" Obersnel asks: "I was wondering if anyone out there had any ideas on how to turn all that passionate talk on Slashdot (how I love it) into a political force that people will pay attention to. Like a lobby group or something similar. It seems that people tolerate the DMCA and spam enough to complain about it but not really do anything about. I think we could change that with some organization and a cohesive front. I'm not suggesting that Slashdot itself be responsible, only that the community take part. Like a micro-payment system to hire lawyers for topics we are interested in or some sort of petitioning system. I know I'd pay a buck to overturn the DMCA, free Dimitri, outlaw spam, protest license problems, protect the GPL etc."
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  • by CptnHarlock ( 136449 ) on Tuesday September 25, 2001 @09:55AM (#2346341) Homepage
    ... is by allowing the EFF [eff.org] to have free banners on the site. If lets say every 50th banner is a free banner for the EFF then /. and Andover would really put their money where their mouth is. I mean there's anyway a decline in banner sells worldwide, that gap could easily be filled with "goodwill" banners... How'bout that Taco & Co?
  • Technocrat.net (Score:2, Interesting)

    by alessio ( 39749 ) on Tuesday September 25, 2001 @09:55AM (#2346345) Homepage Journal
    I believe that was the idea (or one of the ideas) behind Bruce Perens' Technocrat.net. Unfortunately, discussions between users never reached a critical mass to get out of cyberspace, and Bruce decided to shut the site down [kuro5hin.org].
  • by Xenopax ( 238094 ) <[xenopax] [at] [cesmail.net]> on Tuesday September 25, 2001 @09:55AM (#2346347) Journal
    Perhaps Slashdot should create a permenant slashbox for this organization so everyone knows where to go to donate to fight things like the DMCA.
  • by jdgreen7 ( 524066 ) on Tuesday September 25, 2001 @09:57AM (#2346358) Homepage
    Something that I'd like to see on this site:

    Links to congressional websites where you could email your representatives/governors/senators/president when an issue comes up that needs grassroots support. I know I've sent emails and written letters to the government after reading some posts here, but it generally takes a while to find where you need to go. Someone generally posts a link, but why not have it after the description of the issue?

    Just a thought.
  • Bad Idea (Score:3, Interesting)

    by FatRatBastard ( 7583 ) on Tuesday September 25, 2001 @09:58AM (#2346365) Homepage
    I think its a bad idea... at least to have it associated with Slashdot. If someone was to create something seperate then fine. But I cherish the independence of /.

    Yeah, I know some will complain that it really isn't independent, that the same types of stories are posted, and there's an anti-MS slant, but I think Taco and the boys (girls?) do a much better job than most folks give them credit for. Plus, the real value of /. isn't the postings, but the replys.

    Something would just sit wrong with me knowing that /. had gone from a really cool community (that anyone can participate in) to something with "official positions".

    Just my .0215 Euros.

  • by orn ( 34773 ) on Tuesday September 25, 2001 @10:01AM (#2346385)
    Actually, I think a Slashbox would be better. Split it into two fields. The first would be "Top Issues", the second would be "Recent News." Let them control it and let the articles link directly to their site.

    Rudy
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 25, 2001 @10:07AM (#2346419)
    Janne,
    you're right in your observation, but there may be one other thing, aside from technophilia, which unites /.ers.

    We believe that information should be free. That the best decisions are well-informed ones. That the best society is one founded on the best decisions. That if we choose to cooperate, we can accomplish more than we would if we didn't engage each other honestly and openly.

    It's time we stop lobbying for open source software......
    Let's form an open source economy.... with open source media... and an open source polity.

    Klync
  • by JWRose ( 139221 ) on Tuesday September 25, 2001 @10:08AM (#2346429) Homepage
    While what you say is probably true, there's a differance between sending 1,000 individual letters vs. sending 1 letter with a 1,000 signatures. The chances of getting the 1 letter read are much greater than having the 1,000 individual letters read.
  • Simple system: (Score:4, Interesting)

    by nagora ( 177841 ) on Tuesday September 25, 2001 @10:10AM (#2346442)
    Open a fund, we give in money as and if we feel like it. The fund page has a (serious) /. poll on it of thing that people have nominated for funding and a "none of the above" option. Funding is paid out on a monthly basis in proportion to the votes at that point.

    Only people with karma over 10 or who have paid money into the fund can vote (once per month) on allocation in order to stop skiddies and others manipulating the distribution too much.

    The karma thing is basically saying "Anyone who is probably not a troll". Karma whores could be put off by charging 1 or more karma for voting.

    Just a thought, off the top of me 'ead, pull it up the flag pole and see if the budgie bite.

    TWW

  • Organizations (Score:2, Interesting)

    by orn ( 34773 ) on Tuesday September 25, 2001 @10:17AM (#2346489)
    I'd like to see Slashdot start a slashbox for each of the following organizations. The data for the slashbox can be taken directly from their home pages - they each have news headlines that a bit of PERL could pull out very easily. In addition, I'd like to see a section before the headlines labeled "top issues" that can be written by the organization themselves. It would be a space for a link to the issues they think most important.

    CDT [cdt.org]

    ALCU [aclu.org]

    EFF [eff.org]

    These organizations stand for many of the things talked about on Slashdot. Those that feel strongly about any of the issues supported by one of these organizations should join that organization!

    Rudy
  • How about the FAS? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by jtseng ( 4054 ) on Tuesday September 25, 2001 @10:19AM (#2346495)
    I dunno exactly how effective they are but people might want to write to the Federation of American Scientists [fas.org]. I personally don't consider the EFF a PAC and I doubt the people here in /. are about to start one. The FAS is probably the closest PAC we've got that will influence the pols in our favor. Quoting from their site:

    The Federation of American Scientists conducts analysis and advocacy on science, technology and public policy, including national security, nuclear weapons, arms sales, biological hazards, secrecy, education technology, information technology, energy and the environment... FAS combines the scholarly resources of its scientists with a knowledge of practical politics. As a non-profit organization licensed to lobby in the public interest, FAS is uniquely qualified to bring the scientific perspective to the legislative arena through direct lobbying, membership and grassroots work, and expert testimony at Congressional hearings.

  • by sluggie ( 85265 ) on Tuesday September 25, 2001 @10:21AM (#2346509)
    Maybe setting up a /. Presskit for each article would help...
    Some details, in my opinon a Presskit should be published when a thread is closed. It should consist of the article itself, an overview of the links used in it, and all Informative/Interesting/etc. comments with a threshhold greater than 3.
    It could be called the "Voice of the /. Community" or such..
    I'm sure that some newspapers would be interested in publishing comments approved by the mass moderation system...
    We don't need lawyers if we have the public.
    Just my 0.02 EUR
  • by Sloppy ( 14984 ) on Tuesday September 25, 2001 @10:25AM (#2346533) Homepage Journal

    Well, isn't the purpose of a PAC to make it so that people don't have to exert as much effort? ;-) Just throw money at the PAC and the PAC does the activism. I think that's what the submitter wants, he just doesn't think the PAC that he wants, exists yet.

  • Money to stop (Score:3, Interesting)

    by SilentChris ( 452960 ) on Tuesday September 25, 2001 @10:28AM (#2346547) Homepage
    "I know I'd pay a buck to overturn the DMCA, free Dimitri, outlaw spam, protest license problems, protect the GPL etc."

    I'd actually pay a buck to turn down some of the political meandering that goes on around here. It takes away from the News for Nerds and gives to the News for Activists. I've turned off every topic I think has to do with annoying political activistism (Your Rights Online, Censorship, any article that CmdrTaco posts) and this makes it way into the Slashdot.org topic.

  • by sllort ( 442574 ) on Tuesday September 25, 2001 @10:31AM (#2346559) Homepage Journal
    If we do create a PAC, here's what we're up against [opensecrets.org]. That's the yearly contributions by the movie industry to both sides of the political fence. In 2000, about $24 million to Democrats and $13 million to Republicans.

    If we do intend to go forward with a PAC aimed at fighting the DMCA, one thing is clear: the enemy of our enemy is our friend. Republicans clearly receieve less entertainment funding, and therefore we can begin this war on a simple pretext: the Democratic Party is the enemy.

  • Re:Money to stop (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 25, 2001 @10:41AM (#2346612)
    Slashdot is two things:

    • News for Nerds
    • Stuff That Matters


    The political stuff may not be "News for Nerds" but it sure as hell matters. You gotta learn the political game to be able to fight against the stuff that may adversely affect us "Nerds" and our interests. Stick your head in the sand all you want, it'll make it easier for those who do know the political game to overrun you and your needs/desires.
  • by mikosullivan ( 320993 ) <miko@idocs.cBALDWINom minus author> on Tuesday September 25, 2001 @10:41AM (#2346615)
    I'd like to respond to that with two points:
    • It's all important. We need to build a better world in many different ways, including the abovementioned issues, and including the furtherance of open source. No fewer than three volunteers of OpenSourceLobby personally witnessed the tragic events of Sep 11, and they're still on board with our efforts.

    • Open source is one of the ways of addressing those issues. Open source software strongly promotes a more free world.
  • by victim ( 30647 ) on Tuesday September 25, 2001 @10:56AM (#2346735)
    This should be affordable. I know of a group that wanted a self serving exemption to a politically inevitable law. They pooled resources, hired the right sort of lawyer, and $50k later they have their own little sentence enshrined in the US laws.

    I don't know what the readership of slashdot is these days, but surely it can produce 10,000 readers willing to pay $5 for a particular freedom.

    The trick is to for someone to become a credible focal point. Someone who will be trusted by the donors to make the best use of the funds.
  • by hillct ( 230132 ) on Tuesday September 25, 2001 @10:57AM (#2346743) Homepage Journal
    The EFF [eff.org] makes a wonderful contribution with respect to the legal issues of interest to the technically inclined (read: Geek) comunity, and it's admirable how they spech most of their resources in these pursuits, but honestly, they should take a page from the playbook of the NRA [mynra.com] with respect to fund raising if they want to compete with the powerful political action committees that live inside the Washington beltway.

    There are also other organizations which deserve your support (financial or otherwise), such as the Center for Democracy & Technology [cdt.org] and the Federation of American Scientists [fas.org] which has a number of projects that would be of interest to the /. community.

    --CTH
  • by cascadefx ( 174894 ) <morlockhq@@@gmail...com> on Tuesday September 25, 2001 @11:14AM (#2346873) Journal
    Congresspeople and other politicans pay attention to three things: (1) manually typed, manually signed letters from registered voters with reasonable arguments and tone

    If you don't have a manual typwriter, bring out that old impact printer that is gathering dust in your closet. A simple Perl script could change the letters you send enough to make them seem less formulaic.

    Then send them to all of your:

    1. Representatives in Washington
    2. state Reps
    3. local Reps
    4. heads of the Political Parties at the national and state level
    5. governors
    6. state attorney generals
    7. attorney general of the United States
    8. president
    9. vice president
    10. speaker of the house
    11. Heads of pertinent committees
    12. Heads of pertinent agencies
    13. Editors of influential Magazines and Newspapers


      Then you just have to sign them by hand OR get a plotter to do it.

      I think we are framing the idea of "lazy" wrong. Sure computer people are lazy. They hate expending effort that will just have to be done over and over again. It is better to spend a couple of days hacking together a solution that could be applied when needed instead of taking the few minutes it will take to solve the problem once.

      Doesn't Larry Wall say that the three great virtues of a programmer are laziness, impatience and hubris? Well, let's put that crap to work.

      If you don't have an impact printer, fake it by choosing a crappy fixed width font like IMPACT or something. Sure, it is not the same, but it does tend to throw people used to recieving nicely formatted text. Also throw in some spelling errors and leave out some words (then go back and correct them with whiteout... though this goes against the virtues

      If you start to analyze the problem, you could probably figure out what makes a personal letter sound personal and a form letter sound like a form letter. Capitalize on that! Keep a couple of flat files with appropriate phrases in them for a particular subject. Combine them in interesting ways with a program and only include a couple of new sentences here and there of original content (which should be put into files for later use).

      I think this could work. Anybody have any concrete ideas or recipes?

  • Not necessarily (Score:4, Interesting)

    by einhverfr ( 238914 ) <chris.travers@g m a i l.com> on Tuesday September 25, 2001 @11:28AM (#2346994) Homepage Journal
    If we do create a PAC, here's what we're up against [opensecrets.org]. That's the yearly contributions by the movie industry to both sides of the political fence. In 2000, about $24 million to Democrats and $13 million to Republicans.

    I was raised a Quaker, and there is a Quaker lobbying group called the Friends Committee for National Legislation (FCNL). The FCNL has had an impact, particularly on the state level, because the politicians recognized that the agenda was not driven by economic considerations, but rather for reasons such as social justice, et. al. It does not take as much money to make change happen if you can demonstrate that you are sincere and committed.

    What does this have to do with OSS lobbying? Groups like the IEEE have been very receptive towards open source concerns (and I am writing them a letter concerning the SSSCA), and along with the group (something like Foundation for the Public Domain) which Bob Young has been involved with could also be helpful. But if we can demonstrate that some of these laws like the DMCA are simply bad ideas, then maybe people will listen to us. But it takes people who honestly believe in the cause, and for more than economic reasons.
  • Democracy in action (Score:3, Interesting)

    by gad_zuki! ( 70830 ) on Tuesday September 25, 2001 @12:13PM (#2347323)
    If the EFF were to start taking donations to lobby politicians, they would be just another group of washington scum getting paid to help politicians buy elections by sucking up to the right people.

    So its okay for you political opposite to be lobbying but not for you? That's pretty self-defeatist. If you want to play in Washington you have to play by their rules. Last time I checked donations to politicians were legal and its the most effective way to be heard.

    If you don't like the system, you should just say so and stay out of politics. If you want to make a change start a lobby.
  • by sopwath ( 95515 ) <justin s a t v i s i dot com> on Tuesday September 25, 2001 @12:55PM (#2347593) Journal
    OK I think I might have been able to figure what the fuck all that was...

    Why would a party take money from a lobying group to vote against them? Do you really think a Senator or Representative get's one big huge check? No, the MPAA etc gives them money only after they vote thier way. You're just diluting yourself if you think they would be so sneaky as to let the MPAA court them just to take thier money.

    Both parties suck ass, and the whole government is run by whoever has the most money. It get's down to the party funds, so we need to figure out who votes for and against the DMCA and make sure there is PUBLIC support for the right canidates.

    That's why we need a lobby group.

    good luck,
    sopwath

  • by smblion ( 89885 ) on Tuesday September 25, 2001 @01:21PM (#2347784)
    Lobbying doesn't HAVE to involve buying politicians. Did no one take basic government classes in high school? If you have a million people fill out a petition and go to everyone in congress showing how much support there is for something, that's lobbying. Walking around the capital waving a sign is lobbying. Anything that pushes your ideas onto the politicians is lobbying. Of course, money speaks louder than people, and having a group like the slashdot community to counter people like the NRA and religious right (the two most powerful lobbys) wouldn't be a bad idea at all. Who cares if it's not technically the proper way to run a democracy? Until things change, it's how ours is run. Either play the game, or figure out how to change it.

    The problem is, geeks have no balls. They also don't know how to get together as a group, and don't seem to like parting with their money for anything. The EFF is not a lobby, and shouldn't be a lobby. That doesn't mean there shouldn't _be_ a geek lobby, it just means there isn't one yet. And everyone with any concern for our political system should be JUMPING at the opportunity to get on board.

    Heh, the National Association of Geeks, NAG ;)

    smb
  • by supabeast! ( 84658 ) on Tuesday September 25, 2001 @01:58PM (#2348155)
    "the NRA and religious right (the two most powerful lobbys)"

    Actually, the most powerful lobby out there is the AARP. Anyone in the US over 50 can join the AARP, and they have millions of members. Because they are a non-profit they cannot be too politically active, but when a politician does something that senior citizens don't like, the AARP volunteers can mobilize overnight into a vocal force that give politicians nightmares. This is why you rarely see politicians do things that piss off old people.

    As for geeks having no balls, I don't think that is the problem. The real issue is that geeks are lazy bastards. Because we have so much freedom, so much money, and generally pretty easy lives, it is very hard to motivate geeks to be proactive. Until something is lost that really hits home, geeks will continue to be far too relaxed as politicians fuck America over again and again.
  • by bluGill ( 862 ) on Tuesday September 25, 2001 @04:06PM (#2349115)

    And the funny thing is, I still talk to people who think campaign finance reforms would be a bad thing!

    It is. It is a violation of first ammendment rights in nearly all forms that i've seen proposed. Now I would agree that all money that doesn't come in anonymously should be reported, but that is all i'm willing to say.

    that is If I choose to give 1 million anonymously that is fine, but I'm the only one who knows that I did so, not the politition. If I choose to donate otherwise, so that I can get some law, then that i donated the money should be public knowledge. (And remember polititions are free to ignore my wishes) But don't limit how much I can give, that is a violation of my rights.

  • by travisdaye ( 166845 ) on Tuesday September 25, 2001 @07:20PM (#2350248)
    Slashdot's strength comes from it's collective input, and this, being diverse and often opposed, is not a unanimous opinion. Slashdot is a respected authority on linux and some other issues because it provides a great service about these issues, and as such is influential with the linux community. For it to be influential in large-scale politics- because most issues the lobby group suggests are international- it needs to widen its readership and, vitally, maintain a high standard of input as free as possible from dogmatism and ossification. I would welcome an editorial endorsement of some political lobbyists, but stay clear of too close ties which could stifle both groups.

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