Star Trek: Enterprise Reactions?

So, what did you think of it? The theme song has to go. Commander Tucker ("Kumanduh Tuckah") needs to get a personality other than "he'll be just like McCoy, only clumsy and stupid". Is it really necessary to rehash "cold emotionless Vulcans vs. thoughtless, reckless humans"? That plot device was old thirty years ago and it's physically painful to watch now. How can armor plating go "offline"? Electromagnetic shields maybe, but one of the virtues of a hunk of steel is that it doesn't go "offline". And what's with the soft porn? I was waiting for the bow-chicka-bow-wow music to kick in. CT: I didn't get to see it! I don't get UPN! Curses!

#Enterprise on EFNet

[Anonymous Coward]

For anyone lacking UPN affliliates.

FE released the preair

[Anonymous Coward]

http://www.isonews.com/release.php3?releaseid=3240 5

So I suggest you try #FE on EFNet instead.

Still waiting for a proper release tho...

Answer

[Ghoser777]

A quick google search led me to this site [stenterprise.com].

F-bacher

Re:The Vulcan Chick - Link

[jiheison]

Jolene Blalock. [maximonline.com]

Zounds.

Damn this compression filter!

Re:Interesting medical science

[Mr. Slippery]

Actually, leeches and maggots are proving to be among the best tools modern medicine has. Leeches are used in re-attachements of severed extremities to prevent clotting and maintain blood flow; and maggots are used for removing dead tissue. Both are better at those tasks than any artificial alternative yet devised. Still gross, though.

My thoughts

[Ledfoot]

Ok, just got done with the viewing party I threw here at the house. Here's the general impressions of the group:

1) Yes, theme music was LAME, but the intro video was pretty cool.
2) Is it cold in that bio-decom room or something?
3) There were some good laughs.
4) The doctor is going to be a great character.
5) The whole Enterprise going to Kronos is a bit of a stretch. Majorly F's with the whole timeline of the other series'.
6) We all liked how they made it seem like this is the first time they've really gone away from Earth. Thing is, you'd think they had already been doing that with ships that could do less than Warp-5 and as a result would have at least met a FEW more species and learned stuff from them. It seems like the Vulcans hold a monopoly on information in this series.
7) The Speech by Cochran was LAME!

Now, in regards to what others have been posting...

We HAVE to re-hash the whole Human vs Vulcan thing because at the time of this series, it HASN'T HAPPENED YET!

The armor plating is polarized by an electromagnetic field to help repel particle weapons. As a result, yes, it CAN go down (ie, power failure). Then it's just plain old hunks of steel. So, this is basically the pre-cursor to shields.

I personally would have prefered it if they would have kept things fairly primitive and then over time phased in the technologies that we all know and love (like transporters, phasers, etc.) They more or less introduce all of them in the first episode (though, as we saw, they're all pretty new and not very reliable.)

Anyhow, just my $0.02

Re:Klingon anatomy changed again

[Mr. Slippery]

In The Undiscovered Country, it was green and blue (or something close, I'm colorblind).

It was Pepto-Bismol pink in STVI. Though I think they bled red enough in TNG and DS9. It's Vulcans who are supposed to have green blood.

Dog based episodes...

[Anonymous Coward]

Ok, overall, I liked it except for the red Klingon blood and the theme song(loved the visuals though), but at this point in the Star Trek franchise we should know better than to ask for continuity.
Here is something nobody has mentioned yet because at this point your minds will not allow you to concieve of the sheer horror of it. How long do you think it will be till we have an episode where there is an alien presense that only the dog can see, or a diplomatic mission where the dog can tell the aliens are evil (as we all know dogs are perfect evil detecting devices), and a transporter accident merging the dog with..I dunno..the asian babe, and maybe an episode where the dog and the Vulcan team up and use their superior sense of smell to root out Alien Scheme X and they will communicate through mind melds, and of course an episode where antibodies from the dog's immune system saves the crew from a virus at the last minute, and an episode where the dog gets abducted and made ruler of a small planet.

Yes, I can see into the minds of Bergman and Branna and it is a dark place filled with cute kids, robots, all signing showtunes and you can bet the dog will be the center of more than one episode.

Now that I have put the fear of dog into you all, I shall leave you to your nightmares. :)

Re:did we forget TOS?

[profzoom]

Roddenberry wanted wrinkly foreheads all along. He finally had the resources to when TNG and the movies came out. Suspension of disbelief--shouldn't sci-fi fans be pretty good at this??

Re:Spoiler-tastic

[DahGhostfacedFiddlah]

For instance, we're looking at the later appearance of the Klingons

Aside from all the time-travel theories here, I think there's another reasonable explanation. It may be a self-inflicted thing. Klingon physiology is pretty different from our own, of course (see the NextGen episode where Worf devolved into some spitting-reptile thing?) Maybe there's some vitamin/drug/hormone that can have such drastic effects on Klingon appearances - or perhaps it's more like piecings or tattoos.

Anyway, that explains why now the Klingons aren't like that, and if it were considered an extreme social stigma or something like that later on, it explains why Worf didn't want to talk about it.

Allegedly...

[CdotZinger]

These are the lyrics to the theme song from the original series:

Beyond the rim of the starlight
My love is wandering in starflight

I know he'll find in star clustered reaches
Love strange, love a star woman teaches

I know his journey ends never
His star trek will go on forever

But tell him while he wanders his starry sea
Remember me, remember me.

Allegedly. (Sounds more like the Urusei Yatsura theme song to me. <--Proof I'm a dork.)

Re:Not bad...

[Anonymous Coward]

The hull plating, a sandwich of carbotitanin, ferromagnetic silver-copper matrix and trisodium ceramic, is tied directly to ships electroplasma power grid. When activated, thousands of swirling edies of theta-meson particles are emitted by the armor. These edies "polarize" the plating and cause energy (beam, explosive, radiation) to be partially deflected. Duh.

vulcan chick

[Anonymous Coward]

the vulcan chick is going to be a cocktease for the rest of the series. that's my guess.

Jeez, Watch it without preconceptions

[Faizdog]

Most of the people here would be saying the same things no matter what the episode was like. They had all these preconceptions and didn't even want to give the show a chance.

In my opinion, it was a great show. Paramount is trying to reach out to a broader spectrum here, the Star Trek franchise has been faltering as of late. Unfortunately "Star Trek" is so synonomous with geekiness and nerdom, mainstream acceptance is unlikely. Anyone else notice that the show has no mention of "Star Trek" it's just called "Enterprise." Also no cheesy re hash of the same opening sequence (no offense to TNG, it's my fav series).

This show looked really good. They are dealing with more human issues, and we are seeing the imperfectness and difficulty of space travel come out. There are some unrealistic things like I'd presume starfleet would have some trainings and protocol set for off ship expiditions, etc. I know it's only the beggining and picard's suggestion of the captain not leading away teams hasn't been implemented yet, but come on. This is Earth's first and only ship, the government and others should be watching it like a hawk and would probably have had very strict guidelines laid down.

All in all though, it seems very promising. Action, plot, suspense, drama, female teasing, all the great ingredients. We'll see how it goes. Anyone else besides me waiting for an "oh Boy" everytime something bad happened?

How can you watch Enterprise?!

[Pope]

Season premiere of Junkyard Wars was on tonight!

I'm waiting til Sunday to watch Enterprise. Thanks, Space! [spacecast.com]

Re:It's not perfect... but I like it

[madowl]

If you care to get really technical in terms of Klingons. According to Trek history, in the early Kirk days, Klingons were experimenting in facial reconstruction to appear more like humans and infiltrate the Federation (i.e. Trouble with Tribbles). This resulted in most Klingons looking a lot like humans with minor differences.

Using this was a very good way to keep the continuity of Trek history and explain the advances makeup and prosthesis.

Hooray for nitpicking!

[Monthenor]

The comment in all the ads was "Neptune and back in 6 minutes"...referring supposedly to Warp 4.5.

Neptune and back (from Earth) is 8 709 400 000 km.

They then talk about bringing the Klingon back to Kronos...4 days there, 4 days back. 4 days, again assuming Warp 4.5, works out to 5760 minutes.

Kronos, one-way: 8 361 024 000 000 km.

1 light year is 9 460 800 000 000 km.

Since we're less than a light year from the Klingon homeworld, doncha think we would have noticed the vast Klingon empire rolling over our Solar System???

Re:Bad Chemistry

[chenwah]

I saw in a New Scientist recently a short article on a new type of armour plating for tanks.

Armour piercing anti-tank shells work by using the kinetic energy released in the impact to compress and liquefy the copper core of the shell, which then ends up getting squirted through the point of the shell, through the armour and into the tank. I guess getting bathed in supersonic liquid copper can really put a kink in your day.

The newer armour was covered by a mat of optic fibres. When the shell hit the armour systems detected the distortion of the fibres and released a heap stored charge into coils in the armour. This creates an electromagnetic field that retards the copper. Sounds like a long shot but the article said it worked in trials.

So, there you have it, armour plating that has to be 'switched-on' and can go offline =)

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[Anonymous Coward]

I mean, I can figure it out, but Slashcode adds spaces so that the tables line up. Do it like this [cosmic-babes.com]

Thanks...

Warp factors

[man_ls]

I should point our (according to the Star Trek Encyclopedia, 2nd Edition) that the "warp factor" does not necessarely mean times the speed of light.

The following is blatantly plagarized from page 373:
Speed KPH x Light Speed
Std Orbit 9600

This is in reply to a comment lower down that talks about it being 4 days to Kronos and back.

According to this, if Kronos is 1 light year away, we'll say exactly 1 light year for "educational" purposes, it would take 1 year at warp 1, 36 days at warp 2, 9 days at warp 3, and 3 days at warp 4. So the calculation was pretty close to correct, I've just added some other data to it.

Re:Warp factors

[man_ls]

Warp Factor xLightSpeed

Warp 1 becomes 1

Warp 2 becomes 10

Warp 3 becomes 39

Warp 4 becomes 102

Warp 5 becomes 214

Warp 6 becomes 392

Warp 7 becomes 656

Warp 8 becomes 1024

Warp 9 becomes 1516

Re:Bad Chemistry

[Anonymous Coward]

There is no mistaking shields for plating. The primary weapon is a charged particle beam, the armor is plated with a superconductive film which is charged to a specific level in an attempt to deflect and or neutralize an incoming charged beam. Once the built up charge has been expended the "plates are offline."

Re:Pilot

[IHateEverybody]

I thought it was best pilot of all the spin-offs - but no way does it compare to that great TOS pilot "The Cage"

That's a good point but rememer that "The Cage" was rejected by NBC when it was first presented. Gene Roddenberry actually had to start over with "Where No Man Has Gone Before" in order to sell the series.

Re:Bad Chemistry

[billn]

At the risk of tipping my hand as a science fiction nut, something of a grounded take on the specific bits of science at hand here:
The failed 'hull plating', as pointed out, is applied active polarization. My guess would be a hull structure configured in such a way as to have active channels that can be charged to induce and encourage energy distribution in a controlled manner, so as to facilitate the dispersion/disruption of focused beam attacks.

In response to other chunks of this thread, a structural integrity field is an electromagnetic field designed to interact with various components of the super/infrastructure, to increase 'cohesion' of the whole by literally pulling them together all the time.\

Both of these items are staples of science fiction, and have solid grounding in applied theory.

Re:T'Pol (Jolene Blalock) half naked!

[tf23]

Here's the main link to a seemingly pretty good fan site: http://www.time-scape.com/jolene/ [time-scape.com]

US Mirror [leh.net] or AUS Mirror [time-scape.com]

It's got more pics than that maxim site referenced above, and it has info on her character, bio, etc.

BTW, someone just posted an mpeg of the "coed-handshower" scene in alt.binaries.multimedia. If you weren't able to see the show, go download it for a preview.

Hot chicks before Troi

[jtseng]

What - you didn't consider Nurse Chapel or that red-shirted blonde chick with the mini and the pony tail to be hot? It would have been nice if the green-skinned lap dancer stayed for a few epis...

Re:How the hell did he get to earth without warp?

[nahdude812]

The difference here is between the United Federation of Planets (or whatever) and Starfleet. Starfleet is Earth, the UFP is a larger organization, to which Starfleet belongs (circa Piccard). The UFP had a bad first contact, long before Humans had warp, and in the pilot of "Enterprise," the humans are not yet associated with the UFP, and so the Klingons (whose only experience with humans to date has been their daring rescue of another klingon, and prevention of civil war). If they later joined the UFP, with which the Klingons were at war, then the humans, who've only proven themselves once, are now part of the enemy, and thus the war with humans, and bad first contact with the UFP.

Wow, I'm such a nerd!

Re:It's not perfect... but I like it

[Icar_Cryston]

I remembered something about this that had made it's way around the net about the time the DS9 episode came out. It was a Q&A session with Ron Moore, who was one of the writers. So I went through and dug it out (I save way too much e-mails).

Here is some Ron Moore postings (A DS9 writer) from America On-Line:
Subj: Yet More Answers
Date: 97-01-20 14:25:30 EST

Q: What is the (unspoken to outsiders) reason that Klingon physiology has changed from TOS to DS9/TNG? Is it the oft-speculated "Tribble disease" which led to the Klingon war against the Tribbles?

A: We do NOT have an explanation for this, even within the staff. All the possibilities sound ridiculous and we've decided to simply leave it a mystery that only Klingon hairdressers and makeup artists know.

These are posts Ron Moore (a DS9 writer) that he posted on America On-Line:

Subj: Answers
Date: 96-11-11 19:54:44 EST

Q: Really enjoyed the Tribble show, but was a little dissapointed in the Klingon appearance question--Worf acted rather embarassed by the change in appearance between then and now when asked about it. Will we ever get an explanation on how/why the klingons changed their appearance, or will be be kept forever in the dark?

A: To me, you got the perfect explanation. It's a joke and it's a comment on the fact that there is no explanation because IT'S JUST A MAKEUP CHANGE. Any technobabble we came up with would be incredibly lame and unbelievable. "We do not discuss it with outsiders." You tell'em Worf.

Star Dreck: The First Degeneration

[JMYoda]

It was WEAK. VERY WEAK. 7of... I mean T'Pol sucks. She doesn't even lick the shoes of Spock, Sarek and both Savek's. She's another actress cast for her looks and T&A factor to please the undersexed fanboys. I found her acting phony...

In fact I just find everything about her phony, just as I did with Jeri Ryan. The scene with her and Tucker in their undies bordered on soft porn with all those close-ups and her hard nipples poking through the t-shirt.. And Tucker was as hard as a sailor on sore leave. Not that there's anything wrong with soft porn, just seems a tasteless attempt to boost ratings to me.

Archer is a Kirk wannabe. He has the double-fisted action hero quality but I saw no signs of Kirk's intelligence or cleverness. Have to wait and see on that.

Tucker is a Bones wannabe. A down home guy who's best buds with the Captain and is ready to shoot of his mouth with an extreme opinion in any given situation. Oh but he's the Chief Engineer not a Doctor. Wow Now THATS innovation! :p

Mayweather and Reed seemed generic. Nothing (yet) to distinguish either.

The "second hand, third hand" joke is almost as old as Star Trek itself. Heck it was done VISUALLY in Total Recall....

Now I know it's been said but the ship just looks way too 24th Century. They turned a Akira class upside down and gave it TOS narcells... And that makes it retro?

The Good stuff: I like the other ships such as the shuttles and all, the costumes are OK and the sets are outstanding. The FX are excellent for the most part.

I liked Hoshi and Phlox.

Hoshi seems cute and intelligent and I liked how Linda Park played her. Having her be very paranoid about space travel is fun.

I had worried Phlox would be "Dr. Neelix" but he's not annoying, in fact I found him quite funny and disarming.

However that put aside its basically Generic TV sci-fi, so generic it feels spit out by a computer. It also doesn't feel very Trek either, less so then Ds9 or Voyager.

The crummy pop song as the theme doesn't help that either. I had hoped for a stirring theme. A new theme by Goldsmith or perhaps the theme from Generations by Dennis McCarthy would have been much better. Instead we get a generic pop tune for a generic show...

Basically the show reminds me of some women I've dated, nice to look at but not an original thought in its head. Just the fact that they decided not to do a sequel series shows they had no fresh ideas. It also detracts from the feeling of adventure. Sure Archer and co. don't know where they're going but WE the audience do.

Basically I think it's an attempt to appeal to today's audience to save the franchise. Heck the first season of Voyager was much better. Of course I'm only going on the pilot (which I actually liked on paper.) So I do plan to watch it a few times more to see if it improves, but it doesn't look good to me right now. First the X-Files falls apart, now this...

Re:Spoiler-tastic

[Prior Restraint]

...in TNG, they decided to make aliens look alien and thus the Klingons "got ridges"...

Since being a Trekkie is all about nit-picking, I'd like to point out that Klingons first got their ridges in Star Trek: The Motion Picture (1979?). Otherwise, your theory works for me.