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From Gang Bangers to Web Developers? 603

evenprime asks: "The Economist is running an article about a program that takes gang members in Milwaukee, sends them through rehab, and teaches them web development so that they can have a decent paying job. I think this type of program - one that gives people the ability to help themselves - is a great idea, and it is something that many of us could help with. Do slashdot readers know of any similar programs in other places? If so, what type of qualifications do you think they would require before allowing someone to help teach web design?" Such programs are just too damned cool. Are there any others like it?
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  • by TomatoMan ( 93630 ) on Thursday October 25, 2001 @11:20AM (#2477733) Homepage Journal
    Then-governor of Wisconsin Tommy Thompson (now Secretary of Health and Human Services in the Bush administration) tried something similar with the W2 [jsonline.com] program in 1996: giving welding training to welfare recipients so they could have decent-paying jobs and get off welfare.

    Sounds great, but many of these people, as I understand it, had never worked before, and were fired shortly after being placed because they had no workplace skills that emphasized things like showing up on time or calling in if they were sick. They had welding skills, but there's a lot more that goes into getting someone ready to join the workforce. Specific-skill training seems a temptingly easy solution to transition-to-workforce problems, but it has to be part of a bigger plan if it's going to work.
  • by gnovos ( 447128 ) <gnovos@NoSpAM.chipped.net> on Thursday October 25, 2001 @04:16PM (#2479846) Homepage Journal
    I remember very well a little event in elementary school that changed my life forever. I had grown up in private school until grade 4, but eventually I guess it was getting too expensive and I was sent into the wild world of public school for the first time starting during the fifth grade. Now, since, until this time, I was always taught to try hard, be good, and be the best person I could be, you can imagine the little hell that I found myself in that year...

    Anyway, I slowly learned the ropes, but I was still what one might call a "good kid". I didn't chew gum or talk or pass notes, instead I just tried my best to learn and not be a trouble maker. There were two girls who sat next to me, however, who were definitly not "good kids", at least by the elementary school rules of a decade or two ago. They were always laughing and talking and telling jokes, despite the teacher's constant warnings and threats to "put thier names in the book".

    Anyway, this went on for a while, and eventually the teacher had a brilliant idea. She decided that for every day that these two girls did NOT talk, they would get a coupon. If they collected a certian number of coupons at the end of two weeks, they could have a pizza party with some of thier friends after school.

    Now, for all of you thinking that this novel approach was the way to go, you are sadly mistaken. The next effect of this was that:

    a) the girls didn't shift any more towards the "good" side, but instead found better ways of concealing themselves so that they could get the coupons.

    and, most importantly, b) I learned that being "good" got you absolutely nothing at all. I was completely ignored bu this teacher. Being bad, however, gets you pizza. From that moment on I was an encouragable student...

    If you are going to start giving perks away to those who are bad, you will only be teaching people that there is no reason to stay out of trouble. If you want to go around handing out web training, start with the people who DESERVE it first.
  • by factor2 ( 267085 ) on Thursday October 25, 2001 @04:37PM (#2480003) Homepage
    At the Fund for the City of New York [fcny.org], we train quite a few at risk youth, both in rebuilding computers, HTML/graphics, and building useful sites.
    I've seen a lot of cynicism and joking on these posts, but what these kids get is empowerment.
    No, they will probably not become overpaid web lackeys. But this might be the first legitimate skill on a resume.

    Most kids who get involved in gangs do so because of economic desperation and a failed public school system. They understand the risks of their careers far better than any of us, and the majority of them will leave a life of crime if something better comes along.

    If you came from some neighborhoods in Northern Manhattan, where our students come from, you would actually get some sense that learning HTML would provide an enormous sense of accomplishment. Which for people with an 8th grade education, it is.

It's a naive, domestic operating system without any breeding, but I think you'll be amused by its presumption.

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