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Seeking Someone to License the Heart of Your Company? 55

dcdukeu asks: "We're a small software company that is about to enter into an 'Acceptance Period' with a much larger company for the purpose of determining if they want to license the source code and intellectual property of our main product. This involves giving them our source code, whitepapers, and providing the technology transfer of how things work. Once they receive this they get 45 days to determine if they want to move forward and incur royalties plus payment minimums. What I want to know is if other people have dealt with this before and what would they recommend in terms of how we can turn our information over to them in a time sensitive way (e.g. after 45 days the documents they receive cannot be viewed any more). We are basically giving up everything we have and training them before they say 'yes' or 'no' as to whether or not they are going to move forward. Thoughts?" Unless there are numerous protections already in place to prevent the larger company from running with the information gleaned from this transfer, this so does not sound like a good idea. If you've been in a similar situation before, what suggestions would you have for dcdukeu?
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Seeking Someone to License the Heart of Your Company?

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  • by TheReverand ( 95620 ) on Saturday February 23, 2002 @06:25PM (#3058596) Homepage
    If they know what they're doing, there's nothing you can do to stop them from making copies of documents. Sure, you might come up with some time-limited features, but if your material is that valuable then they'll find a way to copy it if they really want to.

    I think the best thing that you can do here is to get them to sign some legal document saying they won't touch your stuff after the expiry date. No matter how hard you try, you won't be able to stop them copying things (screenshots work, even if nothing else does), but if you have a contract it might make them think twice.

  • No fscking way. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by WasterDave ( 20047 ) <davep AT zedkep DOT com> on Saturday February 23, 2002 @07:04PM (#3058705)
    The only time I've been in a similar situation I was lucky because I could hand over a piece of hardware and say "go on then, assess this". But software? Source? Training and documentation? You're about to be raped, buddy.

    I can see you're in a bad place - really wanting to make this deal happen, but you have to look at the risks. Three suggestions:

    1, Turn the deal on its' head, get them to bring their software, source, docco and people to your place. Work to integrate the two and see if the execs like the end result.
    2, Get them to define what it is they are hoping to achieve and have a third party consultancy assess your code to see if it fits the requirements.
    3, Stay with the original gig but get them to sign a really viscious NDA preventing them from producing some derivative work or entering into the same market for 'n' years. They probably won't go for it, but hey.

    Good luck, sounds like exciting times.

    Dave
  • Sign an Agreement (Score:2, Insightful)

    by thebabelfish ( 213456 ) on Saturday February 23, 2002 @07:18PM (#3058737) Homepage
    Before you give them anything, have them sign an agreement that they will destroy any material they receive from you in 45 days. If you find they are using your information after 45 days, you can take them to court and show the court their signatures. IANAL so I don't know if this would work very well or not, but it's an idea.
  • Vaseline (Score:5, Insightful)

    by fwc ( 168330 ) on Saturday February 23, 2002 @11:23PM (#3059431)
    Buy some vaseline, you're gonna need it.

    Basically what you are doing is giving them 45 days to steal all your intellectual property. You said it yourself, you're going to do the "information transfer" and then they have the option of paying you or not. Do you think that the information you transfer is going to be able to be removed from the brains of the people who look at it?

    If you've figured out how to do something they want, they should pay for it up front. Period. None of this "let us look at it for 45 days and then we might pay you if we decide we still want it".

    About the only way this isn't going to turn bad is if this is something they really can't do themselves. If they can do it themselves, what is stopping them? Perhaps they hope to figure that out from looking at your stuff.

    If you really do want to do this you need to get about 3 DIFFERENT lawyers involved, preferably an Intellectual Property lawyer, a Corporate (agreements) lawyer, and probably a third one for good measure. You have to make sure there isn't anything that they can gain from this, or if they do gain something they have to pay you for it.

    In addition, you need to figure out exactly what they are wanting to see. If they just want to make sure the code isn't a nightmare and it is reasonably written, perhaps getting a third party involved to do the review might be a good idea. Or as someone else suggested, get them over to your place of business.

    The key here is to transfer as little as possible before they commit to paying you. It sounds like you guys are giving them everything before they pay you. I think I'll repeat myself and say that this is a very bad idea. Get the vaseline ready. You'll need it.

    The other question is the long term piece of this. A lot of the time these types of deals end up being great for a couple of years and then the two companies either split the sheets and one ends up going broke, or one eats the other one. As you're the smaller company, the chances of you being on the bottom when this happens are quite good. Are you thinking about the long term repercussions of this?

    One last thing I'll say. Don't let your greed get in the way of your common sense. Quite often people loose their good judgement when lots of dollar signs flash in front of their eyes.

    Good luck! And remember the vaseline.

  • Re:50% up front (Score:4, Insightful)

    by sigwinch ( 115375 ) on Sunday February 24, 2002 @02:35AM (#3059851) Homepage
    Copyright is yours whether or not you file with the government.
    Wrong, dangerously wrong! Without filing, you can only get injunctive relief to prevent them from further using the copyrighted material. If you file the material with the gov't, you can get compensatory damages, and IIRC if the infringement was willful you can get treble punitive damages. (Note: this is based on U.S. law.)

    The cardinal rule of copyright is: register before publication. If you don't, you might as well sign away the copyrights for free. Injunctive relief isn't worth a pitcher of warm spit.

    Get a good contract with them that says they have to either pay a reasonable fee, or stop using the product after 45 days. (Don't try to get some sort of ludicrous penalties as another poster suggested. Ludicrous fees are routinely thrown out by judges, fair fees are difficult to argue against.) If you need to keep some things trade secrets, make them indemnify you against any losses suffered as a result of their disclosure of the secrets. (That should put a damper on them wanting unrestricted access.)

    Why do they want the sources anyway? Are they going to compile the machine-readable sources, or just do a code review for quality, commenting, coherence, good style, etc. The latter could be satisfied by giving their engineers supervised access to print outs of the sources.

    And don't trust me, I'm just some random pseudonymous geek on a web forum. Definitely get the assistance of a good lawyer.

  • by ehinojosa ( 220524 ) on Sunday February 24, 2002 @02:13PM (#3061089)
    And even then, what's to prevent them from, say, paying someone to transcribing the stuff off the screen? It may very well be a bit much to copy, but if they want it bad enough, it could be done. I mean, depending on whether they made the monitor connection tamper resistant they could even use something as simple as a scanline converter and recording the stuff to video tape. I might get modded redundant for this, but if this is the heart of your business, you can't afford to let these guys have their hands on it. It's way too risky. As an above poster suggested, Turn the deal on its' head, get them to bring their software, source, docco and people to your place. Work to integrate the two and see if the execs like the end result.
  • by duffbeer703 ( 177751 ) on Monday February 25, 2002 @09:59AM (#3064585)
    Why does his motive for developing software have any bearing on his rights.

    That post, if it is true is the reason patent law exists.
  • by jonesvery ( 121897 ) on Monday February 25, 2002 @12:07PM (#3065195) Homepage Journal
    Actually, if you hire good lawyers, the process goes more like this:

    Step 1:
    Hire lawyers. As many as you need.

    Step 2:
    There is no step two...

    Seriously, any physical measures that you take to try to protect that information can be defeated. If you don't trust these people with the information (and you shouldn't), a lawyer is the only security tool that will make a difference.

    It's likely that said lawyer would reiterate some of the earlier comments: the best answer is to not give them the information. If they're really interested, they will buy your technology outright, with appropriate guarantees written into the agreement (and this is really the meat of the matter). The agreement can then stipulate that final acceptance/payment are subject to the results of an evaluation and testing period of 45 days, with testing to determine whether your product works as stated in that very agreement.

    If your product doesn't work as promised, turns out to be completely undocumented and unmaintainable, or turns out to be "hello world" with a really pretty interface, it will fail to meet the requirements set in the agreement and it's terminated. If your stuff does work, they are required to fulfill their part of the agreement, as you will have fulfilled your part.

  • I've seen it... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by rootmonkey ( 457887 ) on Monday February 25, 2002 @03:36PM (#3066406)
    For awhile our company was trying to win an account from a much larger firm. We had to jump through all the hoops and detail what we were doing. They almost took the info and dump us. I think they knew they could recreate what we had but there were some other services they needed from us. Becareful.

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