Gnome 2.0 on Ximian Installations? 19
DavonZ asks: "Like many Linux users, I have installed Ximian's Gnome desktop. The biggest issue is that Ximian is still based on Gnome 1.4. With the release of Gnome 2.0, many users have looked into upgrading Ximian to Gnome 2.0, but there are different approaches to this. One, the 2.0 Developement Snapshot available in RedCarpet. Another, the Ximian RPM's that are available via the Gnome.org web pages. Has anyone used either approach? Which is the most stable? Which will allow RedCarpet to upgrade to Ximian's Gnome 2.0, when it becomes available?"
Why use Red Carpet, (Score:3, Funny)
Kids these days - no work ethic.
Re:Why use Red Carpet, (Score:1)
<rant>Back in my day, we'd use have to hand assemble the programs by hand, using the pizza stained schematic napkins to work out the opcodes needed, then induce the bit patterns onto tape using pieces of magnetite we found out in the parking lot. We got a bonus of an hour of playing pong if we completed the assembly process within the year.</rant>
Or maybe not :o)
Patience is a Virtue (Score:3, Informative)
Why don't you just be patient, and wait for Ximian to do their own thing in their own time. Unlike the Gnome Foundation who offers their software 'as is', Ximian tests all of the software, to make sure that it runs as stated, and they also make sure that it is easy to install. This means they ship it with all required libraries, pre-compiled for your flavor of *nix.
If you are so impatient to try it out, why not try Garnome [gnome.org]? Garnome is a relatively easy way to install the stock Gnome 2 distribution from the source files. Unfortunately, you do have to find some obscure libraries (sp? sgml-data? DocBook?) before it will install, and it will take several hours to compile.
If you want Ximian's version of Gnome, you are just going to have to be patient and wait for them to put their unique finishing touches on it. If 1.4 was any indication, we could be waiting a month or more. And if 1.2-->1.4 upgrade path was any indication, you will have to install fresh as red carpet will not be able to handle an upgrade of this sort.
Re:Patience is a Virtue (Score:1)
Re:Patience is a Virtue (Score:1)
that ominous gnome 2 snapshot channel
in red carpet??? I just fired it up
and it's neither in my subscribed nor
unsubscribed channels....
only thing I have is Ximian Desktop,
Ximian Preview and Ximian Untested...
nutin' gnome 2..:-(
is it a premium service or what?
remou
Read the mailing list (Score:3, Informative)
I seem to remember a bit on the mailing list about Ximian releasing their stuff using Gnome2.0 "when it was ready", which isn't now. The 'unstable' Gnome2 channel is survivable, but I find stuff regularly doesn't work, at least when I was mucking with it around the initial 2.0 release.
You can also try Garnome (auto builds from sources) - which seems to be quite stable. It is actually quite easy to build, as it has only a few dependancies that it doesn't automagically resolve and download.
Or, you could wait for 2.0 to stabalize a bit (I don't use it on production machines). This is probably your best bet, as there are not many apps ported to the new APIs. Gnome2 is cool - but wait until the paint dries to put it into production ;-)
BTW - kudos to the Gnome2 team(s)!
Developer Snapshots (Score:1)
With RH 7.4 in beta now, ximian needs to get in gear.
This is not a race to the finish line (Score:2)
Ximian should NOT release Gnome just to beat RH7.4 to the finish line. They should release when the product is ready. Initial reports show that Gnome2.0 is almost ready, but still has a few issues to work out.
Plus, I run Ximian Gnome on Solaris, which means that I'll probably get it a month after all you RedHat Weenies^H^H^H^H^H^H^Husers , so I need to be EXTRA patient
Re:This is not a race to the finish line (Score:1)
And the winner is .. (Score:3, Insightful)
Seriously, If you have the Ximian desktop, then wait. The whole point of that desktop is that it's integrated to 'their' standard, which rests upon the 'standard' of Gnome2. If you're running Ximian, then I'd advise a wait. Contact them to get an idea of timeframe for it's release.
Otherwise, I'd recommend checking out the Garnome [gnome.org] project. It's bleeding edge, but it does allow you to compile Gnome for yourself. If you consider yourself more than a newbie (or an aspiring l33t linuxer), then you can have Gnome2 running at the best speeds for *your* machine.
I suppose the thing to remember is that Ximian Desktop is NOT Gnome2, so if Ximian is what you're aiming for, then wait.
GNOME2 Ximian Snaps (Score:2, Informative)
Still though, it's working fine, it's nice and snappy, and there's a lot less bugs than there were when I used Garnome for the GNOME 2.0 final, oddly enough.
RedHat Limbo and Gnome 2.0 (Score:3, Interesting)
Now perhaps a lot of what I'm experiencing is just from the beta aspect of RedHat Limbo, but I would suggest (as other posters have) waiting until Ximian comes out with a full Gnome 2.0 based Desktop, especially if this will be on your production workstation/desktop. I know waiting is difficult when you've got wonderful new versions out there, but unless you plan on joining the party and testing/debugging/coding, I would wait a bit.
On that same line of thought though, if you want to see a final product sooner, then try upgrading to Gnome 2.0 on something other than your production machine and help out with any bug fixes. That's the way these projects work, right?