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Built-in Kitchen Computer? 87

shaun_gordon asks: "As a long-time geek and first-time home buyer, my wife are planning on a complete kitchen remodel. As part of the remodel, I want to put a computer into the kitchen to use for looking up recipes, controling the stereo, watching movies, etc. My only requirements are that it be Internet connected. My wife's requirements are that it be hidden. I am currently thinking of a flat screen that would fold down from under a cabinet and a keyboard in a drawer that pulls out. Has anyone had any experience installing something like this? Any recomendations on building or buying the integrated display? Anything else that I should consider?" Those looking into doing something like this may find a laptop with an 802.11-based wireless network adapter a better, and possibly cheaper, alternative for this kind of feature. Webpads might be another viable alternative, assuming they ever hit the consumer market at a worthwhile price. What suggestions might you have?
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  • by zogger ( 617870 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @11:15AM (#4512844) Homepage Journal
    --sounds fun to me. You didn't mention cost requirements, but I am always the cheap fix guy, which means used monitor and older but still decent box. If it was me, I would use a normal large screen crt monitor but build it into the wall someplace so the screen is flush. The box goes over yonder in a closet someplace, behind the monitor and within cable range. Scrounge a slide out tray from an old desk and install that under a cabinet someplace for the keyboard and mouse. As you are remodeling, go ahead and run cables instead of the wireless stuff. And here's a hint on scrounging neato old laminated walls, desks, kiosks, etc. If there's a exhibit/display outfit near you, they frequently scrap out old exhibits. typically they are built from good quality birch plywood that has been laminated. I once got a piece of a booth that I turned into a cooking island relatively easily. The varieties I am sure you have seen if you have attended any large shows, it's staggering and some of the stuff is quite beautiful. the wall panels are neat because they usually already have a plethora of ways to run cabling through them and your power feeds and merely bolt together. Check it out sometime, great way to get nice building materials with a geek flair to them. You might luck out and find a total wall solution that already has everything you need to install monitor displays and what not with the cabinets, etc, merely for hauling it off.
  • Keyboard (Score:3, Informative)

    by skwm ( 581559 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @11:21AM (#4512887) Homepage
    It might be worthwhile to purchase an industrial keyboard [option-computers.com], so that when you're following that pancake recipe on the screen and you spill your batter on the keyboard, everything wont go *poof*.
  • Other requirements (Score:4, Informative)

    by Nomad7674 ( 453223 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @11:22AM (#4512892) Homepage Journal
    I'd imagine you'd have a few other requirements, too: 1. Water-resistant. Chances are it will get sprayed or splashed rather often. Would not need water-proof, but something not damaged by a spritz here and there. 2. Cleanable. You will want something that can be cleaned off, if the kids drop a jar of tomato sauce and splatters go all over the screen or keyboard. 3. Easily loadable with new info. If you want recipes then you will want the ability to load new ones. Some simple method for info transfer (802.11b, SD cards, etc) would be useful. 4. Not easily overheated. If you are making a roast in the kitchen in the 105 degree heat of summer, you want to make sure the processor does not get cooked. Might be best to avoid a processor like the P4 which is normally very hot anyway, or install robust heat dissipation. 5. Reasonably quiet. Not a big requirement if you are already using an electric mixer, I guess, but it would be nice to have it running but quiet while you are doing some reading and waiting for your confection to bake.
  • by ThinkingGuy ( 551764 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @11:32AM (#4512998) Homepage
    The October 23, 2002 Wall Street Journal has a review of the new Internet-enabled refrigerator. Basically a laptop built into the door. Can be used with touch-screen or stylus. Only $8000.
  • by Da VinMan ( 7669 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @11:35AM (#4513028)
    .. and your really nice options are super expensive and will probably require custom carpentry.

    What we wound up doing is buying a older used laptop on eBay for about $400 and putting a wireless card in it that goes to my WAP11 in the office. We just leave the laptop on the counter all the time, with a piece of wood underneath it. The wood will prevent the countertop from discoloring from the heat of the laptop's CPU and it also raises the laptop off the counter a bit, so if something spills on the counter, the laptop isn't necessarily going to fry (although a direct hit would still take it out).

    So there you have it. It works great for my wife and she uses it everyday. It's much less intrusive than one might think since a CRT isn't involved. I guess if you must have a truly hidden option, then you could look into an iMac [apple.com].

    Enjoy!
  • Re:Audrey (Score:3, Informative)

    by cmeans ( 81143 ) <chris.a.means@g[ ]l.com ['mai' in gap]> on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @12:01PM (#4513300) Journal
    I got mine from TigerDirect.com, but it looks like they're all out (it's not like they're being built any more :)...Ebay [ebay.com] still has them though.

  • by MrResistor ( 120588 ) <peterahoff.gmail@com> on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @12:20PM (#4513451) Homepage
    A thin client with a touch screen is what I would do. Elo TouchSystems makes some nice touchscreens, and they provide Linux drivers. You can get their 12" LCD touchscreen for under $900, and you can avoid all the potential hazards of being dependent on a mouse in such a messy environment.

    You'll need VGA and serial connections to make it work. Any random sub-$100 motherboard/CPU combo should cover your needs there, just grab the cheapest you can find on pricewatch. You'll also need an ethernet card that has a boot PROM socket.

    I would mount the motherboard on stand-offs in the back of a cabinet, or maybe behind some (short) drawers. Put a wire cage over it so you don't accidentally shove some tin cans into it or something (ouch!), and it will have more than adequate ventilation.

    An industrial keyboard is a good idea as well, I would look for a mini keyboard as opposed to a full sized one, since it would be easier to hide in a drawer. If you're mostly just browsing, you probably won't need the keyboard that much.

    Of course, you'll also need a Linux box to act as a server. If you don't have one you'd have to add the cost of a hard drive, but I don't expect that would break the bank.

    Anyway, that's how I would do it. The only thing visible would be the LCD touchscreen, and most of them are easy enough on the eyes for even my wife! It's bound to be more aesthetically pleasing than some of your regular kitchen appliances, anyway.

  • by selan ( 234261 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @12:41PM (#4513642) Journal
    Kitchen computing was also discussed here [slashdot.org]. Lots of interesting ideas here.

    I'd still love to have a kitchen system that would combine a recipe database, grocery list, ingredients inventory, meal planning programs, etc. The individual components all exist, but I don't know of any project that has linked them all together. A console like that in the kitchen would be wonderful.

  • by Ashurbanipal ( 578639 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @01:59PM (#4514434)
    The virtually indestructible keyboard [grandtec.com] is super thin, can be mounted with thumbtacks, is water- and cookie-batter-proof (unless you place your thumbtacks poorly) and almost, as the name explys, indestructible.

    I just spilled wonton soup on mine and it's still typing fine!

    My kids played tug-o-war with it the first day I had it... still works, though admittedly the kids are all under 50 pounds US.

    And, your wife can use it to open those tough pickle jar lids, too. No, I'm not kidding.
  • by EnVisiCrypt ( 178985 ) <[groovetheorist] [at] [hotmail.com]> on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @02:11PM (#4514553)
    This [iceboxllc.com] has a flip-down screen, built-in ethernet, tv tuner, and DVD drive. OR, you could be 0ld-sk00l and use this [ed-thelen.org]
  • by Xenopax ( 238094 ) <xenopax.cesmail@net> on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @03:32PM (#4515461) Journal
    Nope, I agree that dead trees win. Reason?

    I tend to cook a lot for myself. Most recipes come from the Joy of Cooking, which is pretty much the only cookbook one needs. As for things not found in that book, I look up recipes on the internet and always print them. I can safely say I'd never ever ever ever ever want to try to look at a monitor while cooking because it is much easier to shuffle paper around than it is to scroll, click, and wait to load. That and if I modify a recipe it is trivial to scratch in the change on my printout. that's much easier to do when your hands are covered in oil than finding you place and typing it in.
  • by rtos ( 179649 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @03:55PM (#4515750) Homepage
    If you need something small, and don't mind building your own, you should consider the VIA EPIA Mini ITX Mainboard [viavpsd.com] :
    "Measuring just
    170mm x 170mm, the VIA EPIA Mini-ITX mainboard is 30% smaller than the smallest Flex-ATX platforms, while maintaining Micro ATX chassis compliancy. It also provides the smallest and coolest processing environment available, including an optional fanless configuration. The VIA Apollo PLE133 North Bridge features integrated graphics with 2D/3D acceleration and DVD Motion Compensation, accompanied by onboard SoundBlaster(TM) and SoundBlaster(TM) Pro compatible audio, delivering key multimedia capabilities. Onboard 10/100 LAN, TV-Out, an additional PCI slot, and a full set of I/O features provide ample connectivity and expansion options."
    Everything from NIC to S-Video all for about $120. Just add 512MB PC133 SDRAM [crucial.com] for about $55 and either a hard drive or a compact flash card with an IDE->CF adapter [google.com]. The "EDEN" Via chips don't even need a fan but still run at up to 667MHz.

    For more info, check out the unofficial source of mini-itx goodness... Mini-ITX.com [mini-itx.com].

    Of course, there is still the issue of keyboard, waterproofing, touchscreens, and all that. But getting a nice, cool-running, system that fits in a 7"x7" square is a good start.

  • A few other ideas (Score:3, Informative)

    by dacarr ( 562277 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @04:48PM (#4516421) Homepage Journal
    First and foremost, don't forget a keyboard condom (you know, those plastic things designed to fit the contours of a keyboard) so that, if you spill your coffee/water/whatever on the keyboard, it doesn't affect the circuitry. Since we're on the keyboard, I'd also recommend a raised base - remember, that condom is going to slough the spills out elsewhere, and the spill will expand underneath the keyboard if it's on a flat surface, so do the right thing and have it go into like a catch pan or somesuch. If you have the extra money, have it drain to the plumbing or a floor sink (see below).

    Also, if you can hack this, set up a palm organizer or similar to act as a wireless remote. Sort of a rich-man's X10. (Even better, get an X10 array in your kitchen.) Don't ask me how this would be done, but having this handy would be optimal, especially if you're going to wire your kitchen to be controlled from the computer. (Perhaps future technology or a few hacks could explain how to control your stove's variable controls from your palm.)

    And last, a low-tech idea - if you have the money, get a floor sink/drain. (See also the drip pan for the keyboard above.) An ideal assembly would have it recessed obscurely behind the cabinets, and accessible if you have to clean it - if the wife doesn't want a computer visible in the kitchen, she won't want something like this visible, as this is typically an industrial application. (I'd recommend directly underneath your kitchen sink - this way, the sink can be configured to drain into the floor sink. It's not unlike a typical restaurant or retail setup, so if you've ever worked for (say) McDonald's you probably know how this is done.) The rationale is simple: if you spill, rather than spending 20 minutes mopping it up with a sponge, all you have to do is spend a couple of minutes mopping it into the floor sink. Just make sure you pour water in it once every week to keep the odor down, or let the main sink/dishwasher/etc. just drain to it, but most importantly, keep it clean lest it backs up all over your new kitchen floor. (You can get commercial drain cleaners for this last bit, but you're looking at using a spoonful of drain cleaner once per week to keep it clear.)

  • by Vrallis ( 33290 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @05:38PM (#4516883) Homepage
    Try looking for keyboards like this one: Go to CyberGuys [cyberguys.com] and search for "water keyboard" ("foldable keyboard" doesn't work for some reason). These are completely flexible keyboards, 100% sealed and water-proof, and can be completely rolled up (except for the area directly under the right-hand keypad where the board is). I've actually messed around with these some, and the keys feel usable (sort of like some of the recent "quiet" keyboards).

    I've thought of this as well, but my stickler is trying to find a mouse that is waterproof. It would probably be optical, but with a sealed lens cover, and a completely rubber topside with buttons underneath the rubber.
  • by Telecommando ( 513768 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @08:50PM (#4518446)
    How about the LG Internet Refrigerator? [lgappliances.com]
    Saw one locally and it looked pretty neat. I'm not in the market for one so I didn't pay attention to the price. I recall it also played MP3s and had a TV.
  • Re:Female Geeks (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 24, 2002 @09:43AM (#4521525)
    My unit is getting a little old. I am hoping that in a few years I will be able to trade in my 40 for a couple of 20's.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 24, 2002 @01:24PM (#4523464)
    You only want one of the coordinates reversed. If you rotated the screen 180 degrees along the required axis, you'd be looking at the back of the screen. Unless you had a transparent screen (like one of those overhead projector displays), that wouldn't work.

    Most likely, you'd need to flip in software somehow.
  • by edmund_troche ( 319387 ) on Thursday October 24, 2002 @03:08PM (#4524285) Homepage
    I was looking into this as well and was inclined towards the Audrey, but then found out about the Gateway Connected Touch Pad. You can mount it under a cabinet (designed for it), runs a flavor of Linux (Midory, from Transmeta),has an HPNA adapter, two USB ports, Touch Screen, and a wireless keyboard. These where pretty much all the things I was looking for. You may not have an issue with wiring, but it was convenient for me to use the existing phone line for broadband access. Having Linux in th box was a big plus for me too; Is there any other OS? : )

    Edmund

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