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Killing Unwanted Text Messages from Yahoo! Alerts? 388

Creighti asks: "When I first got my new cellphone I immediately received several automated Text Message 'Alerts' from Yahoo and MSN which recurred on a daily basis. My guess was (is) that the previous owner of my cell phone number signed up for these things. Six months later I'm still getting unwanted text messages from Yahoo! Alerts. I managed to get rid of the MSN messages by signing up with MSN (gack), registering the phone number as mine, and de-selecting all text messages. I've tried the same trick with Yahoo. I've tried filling out the Yahoo! Help form that appeared to apply (interestingly enough, the Yahoo Help entry I've used several times to request they stop sending the unwanted alert appears to have been removed, but clicking the 'No' button on this page would work). I've even tried emailing abuse@yahoo.com. Anyone else getting text-message spammed by Yahoo! (or any other service)? Any suggestions for what I should do next to try and get Yahoo! to stop sending these unwanted messages?" Why aren't the text message preferences deleted when the cancellation notices comes thru?
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  • I would... (Score:4, Informative)

    by SaturnTim ( 445813 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @05:15PM (#4918170) Homepage

    Send them a bill. They are using your airtime, with something you didn't ask for. If they don't want to pay the bill, they will find a way to stop it.

    --T
  • by HaeMaker ( 221642 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @05:17PM (#4918187) Homepage
    Because these alerts are like a mailing list subscription and the phone number is like an email address. The problem is phone numbers are reused, where email addresses, generally, are not.

    Yahoo or MSN do not receive notification when someone cancels their phone account.
  • by prostoalex ( 308614 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @05:18PM (#4918189) Homepage Journal
    Have you tried this?

    Yahoo! Mobile Devices [yahoo.com], log in under your Yahoo account and select "Add a New Device", then add your phone number, or e-mail for the cell phone, depending on what your operator supports and then specifically do not choose any alerts.

  • Re:Phone spam (Score:3, Informative)

    by Jucius Maximus ( 229128 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @05:21PM (#4918220) Journal
    "Just another reason NOT to get a fancy phone with internet abilities - Phone Spam."

    Sneakemail and other aliasing services can be used to avoid this as well. Instead of sending the mail to 5551234567@sms.phoneprovider.com you can send it to a sneakemail address which will bounce it to your SMS. This way you can kill off the sneakemail address if necessary and stop the spam easily.

  • by wnknisely ( 51017 ) <wnknisely&gmail,com> on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @05:25PM (#4918254) Homepage Journal
    I have a cellphone with Verizon (and an associated vtext account for messages.) I tried signing up for weather alerts on my cellphone but found out quickly that the messages sent were too long to be useful.

    I was able to unsubscribe from the alerts - but even after I unsubscribed from the alerts, I kept receiving advertisements from the service sent to my cellphone.

    After a couple of unsucessful attempts to get it stopped I finally poked around on the Vtext site and found out that I was able to block a specified domain from sending to my cellphone.

    Blocking the domain of the weather alerts provider killed the spam as well.

    See if your provider doesn't let you filter out @yahoo.com messages.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @05:26PM (#4918257)
    An automated daily/hourly/minutely/secondly email gently reminding them to remove you seems in order. I know the time I used this technique, I was successful at getting their attention, which is all I wanted.
  • by secolactico ( 519805 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @05:30PM (#4918297) Journal
    I had exactly the same problem, only I wasn't trying to delete my page. In the end, I just bought a domain and hosted my page somewhere else. I *was* going to host my domain with Yahoo, up that point.

    There's just no way to contact Yahoo customer service.
  • by HelbaSluice ( 634789 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @05:31PM (#4918306)
    Not that simple. I had this same problem, and no matter what I tried, no "Yahoo Mobile Device" I created could ever grok that there was ALREADY a record in a database somewhere instructing them to SMSpam that same number on a daily basis.

    I successfully signed up for and then cancelled THE SAME MESSAGE SERVICE for my phone--and for the couple days it was active, successfully received two messages. My phone happily collapsed those into one message, with a "removing duplicates" warning.

    Whatever else is going on, Yahoo does NOT require that a "Mobile Device" have a unique phone number. Or at least, didn't at the time I was trying this.

    Fortunately, the volume of messages I was getting was nowhere near my monthly limit. I got pretty quick at ignoring them. A few months later they started getting inconsistent--skipping one or two days on occasion. Eventually they just petered out, and I haven't had one now in over a year.
  • Telemarketer laws? (Score:1, Informative)

    by classzero ( 321541 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @05:32PM (#4918312) Journal
    In Pennsylvania we have anti-telemarketer laws... we have a statewide list of people that they can not call and if they do they get a heafty fine. If your state has a similar law you could reply to the message saying 'take me off your list'. If they do it again contact your DA. Hell, I'd have already contacted the DA by now.

    I know, this does not work with email, but you can probably get a judge to treat this as a telemarketer call.
  • Re:I would... (Score:3, Informative)

    by shepd ( 155729 ) <slashdot@org.gmail@com> on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @05:32PM (#4918316) Homepage Journal
    >I'm sure Yahoo! would happily ignore your bill.

    And this gives you cause to sue them in small claims court.

    If the amount of messaging exceeds $50-$100, it could be worth suing them in small claims. They probably won't even show up, and a decision will be reached (probably in your favour) in absentia.

    Of course, IANAL, so don't follow that as legal advice. :-)
  • by swb ( 14022 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @05:36PM (#4918340)
    And he's not a dumbass, either. He's found his choices are (1) put up with the messages, (2) change phone numbers, or (3) disable text messaging (carrier phenomenon). 1 and 3 are free, 2 costs money (albeit not much).

    Why (4) get Yahoo! to! stop! it! please! isn't an option boils down to "they don't listen". It's one of those scary companies where there's no apparent way to actually *contact* anyone who can do something about this. There's no there, there so to speak.

    He has said that the wireless carrier was particularly unhelpful, which doesn't surprise me. I had a problem for a while when I got my first cellular with getting FAX calls. They offered to *sell* me caller ID (an expensive option on a limited range of AMPS equipment), but wouldn't do anything about tracking down who it was.

    I'm frankly surprised that there isn't more phone spam (how hard is it to figure out that all of a carrier's cell numbers are in NXX-5xx-xxxx?) or that message services don't build in a failsafe way to stop them, like adding a user-specfic hash code to every message and then have a web page where you can go, enter that hash, and disable that phone number's messaging.
  • Re:Preferences (Score:3, Informative)

    by Guppy06 ( 410832 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @05:36PM (#4918342)
    "but probably what is registered is an e-mail address like 3215551212@sprintpcs.com which is how e-mail can find its way to SprintPCS phones."

    Am I the only Sprint PCS customer that doesn't have an e-mail address like this? Mine has the same user name as my standard e-mail account and the phone number is only useful if you use Sprint PCS's web form to send a text message.
  • by bbonnn ( 519410 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @05:38PM (#4918354)
    Actually, this is not an entirely uncommon issue with telcos ... theoretically, people can send unwanted Spam to SMS email gateways. For example, if your number is 650-555-1212 and your carrier is Cingular, you automatically have an SMS email address, which means that people can send you SMS messages from their email accounts. In Cingular's case, your SMS email address is 6505551212@XXXXXXX.XXXcingular.com. So, all a spammer has to do is send email messages to 6501111111@XXXXXXX.XXXcingular.com, 6501111112@XXXXXXX.XXXcingular.com, etc. Bingo, you get unwanted SMS on your phone

    Most carriers' response? Cancel SMS on your wireless account. Granted, you won't be able then to receive ANY SMS messages, but that's not their problem. Frustrating? Yes. Welcome to the world of wireless telco.
  • by chefmonkey ( 140671 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @05:38PM (#4918358)
    They are confirmed opt-in. When you first set up a mobile device, Yahoo sends it a message containing a unique password. You are required to type this password into a web page before it starts sending you alerts. So, you'd have to physically get your hands on someone else's phone to sign them up.

    Generally works pretty well, except when the phone number changes hands.

  • Cancelled? (Score:2, Informative)

    by FS ( 10110 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @05:39PM (#4918368)
    Why aren't the text message preferences deleted when the cancellation notices comes thru?

    Simple, those notification messages aren't in any way related to that phone. A user is unlikely to cancel his/her yahoo account just because they cancelled their phone service.

    It's obviously a problem, but definitely not an intentional one on Yahoo's part. An article like this on Slashdot is probably enough to get them to put up a page explaining how to get your number off someone else's account.
  • TCPA violation? (Score:2, Informative)

    by russ-smith ( 126998 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @05:40PM (#4918370) Homepage
    If the called party is charged for the call they may have run afoul of the Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991 (47 USC 227 and the rules under 47 CFR 64.1200). If so you can sue them for up to $1,500 for each "call" just like a junk fax.
  • by bluephone ( 200451 ) <greyNO@SPAMburntelectrons.org> on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @05:43PM (#4918398) Homepage Journal
    In this age of email, web forms, IM, SMS, VoiceMail, yada yada yada, we overlook the simple telephone. I had a problem with Yahoo a few years ago, and after goign round robin with the electronic options, I picked up the phone, called teir corporate offices, and didn't stop uotil I got to someone who helped me get the problem straightened out. It took 2 days to get it done that way, versus a month of web-based frustration.

    1-408-731-3300

  • by Osty ( 16825 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @05:44PM (#4918404)

    Some idiot signed up for a passport account and gave them a dummy e-mail address that he just made up. Unfortunately it happens to be for a mailbox that I've used for years. The MS "welcome to .NEt passport" letter doesn't even give you an option to tell them that this address was subscribed in error and to take ou off their lists. I've tried sending e-mails to addresses of real people there, but everything has been ignored. I continue to get crap from them as a result of this bogus sign-up, and can't get rid of them.

    What's the problem? The passport account is under your e-mail address, which means it's yours. Go to the Passport main site [passport.com], follow the links to get the password for that account either mailed to you or reset (Follow the Member Services link, then "I forgot my password", follow the on-screen instructions), then login, go to Member Services, and close the account (the "Close my .NET Passport account" link). Done.

  • by donutz ( 195717 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @05:49PM (#4918456) Homepage Journal
    I had an old geocities account that didn't get converted to my yahoo account, and after months of unsuccessful attempts to get the darn thing cancelled, I wrote a letter to the Yahoo person in charge of copyright violations, and explained that Yahoo was violating my copyright to the works posted on that old geocities account. Effectively, by limiting my ability to control the distribution of my copyrighted works, they were violating my copyrights. Not that I wanted to sue or anything, I just wanted those pages gone.

    Not long after, that account disappeared, and I was happy.

  • by Blkdeath ( 530393 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @05:51PM (#4918466) Homepage
    What if you get a ruling in your favor, and they just decide to ignore it? How do you collect your money?

    I can't tell if you're trolling, or if you're really this dense.

    See, Small Claims COURT is a court of LAW ; judgements made there must be carried out and paid in full, else the guilty will face federal charges.

    Yeesh.. Do they let just anybody come here or what?

  • another option (Score:3, Informative)

    by exhilaration ( 587191 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @05:56PM (#4918487)
    (Using Windows...) Install Outlook 2k or higher to download your Hotmail messages to your local machine. Install CloudMark [cloudmark.com] and say goodbye to 99% of your spam. This will also remove any space limits imposed by Hotmail, as your mail will now be sitting on your own hard drive.
  • Court (Score:3, Informative)

    by nuggz ( 69912 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @05:57PM (#4918498) Homepage
    Really? You can send anyone of your chossing a bill and then sue them just 'cause they didn't pay? How do you know you're even sending it to the proper accounts payable department?

    Yes you can sue anyone for not paying a bill.
    In court they can just argue they're not the right person. That is why we have small claims court, to facilitate small claims cheaply and easily for all 3 parties. (You, them and the gov)
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @06:09PM (#4918573)
    Same here-- I got my six year old daughter an e-mail account at our local ISP. It turns out that the e-mail address she chose had been used by someone else before. In our case it was really bad-- not just misdirected mail but lots of really sick stuff that someone her age (nor MY age for that matter!) needs to see... lots of stuff like rape sex fetishes, etc.

    Pretty sad...
  • by meara ( 236388 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @06:15PM (#4918610)
    Depending on where you live, you may be able to sue to recoup airtime costs. For example, California has passed an anti-mobile-spam [cellular.co.za] law.

    Unfortunately, unless you're bored and otherwise unemployed, this is hardly worth the while.
  • by gandy909 ( 222251 ) <gandy909@gm[ ].com ['ail' in gap]> on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @06:19PM (#4918649) Homepage Journal
    Not quite that at all. Although IANAL, I have been working in a Court for the past 13 years now and I can tell you with some degree of certainty that "getting a Judgment" from the Court does NOT get you your money/property/etc. i.e. the Court does not "go get it" for you... YOU have to do ALL the work. What that Judgment from Small Claims Court does do though (depending on what state you/other party live in) is give you the legal authority to place liens on the other party's property, bank accounts, etc., and do other things like garnish the other party's wages for up to the amount of the Judgment. There are lots of sticky problems to contend with though. For example, in some, or maybe all, states if the property or account is jointly owned you are out of luck trying to attach the lien or account, etc, etc.
  • Re:Profit! (Score:4, Informative)

    by B.D.Mills ( 18626 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @06:36PM (#4918857)
    It's even easier than that.

    IANAL.

    By sending unsolicited advertisements, Yahoo! are breaking the c.1991 law that says it is illegal to send unsolicited advertisements to a mobile device.

    A mobile phone is a mobile device.

    And you can make them pay up to $500 per message.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @06:37PM (#4918868)
    At least Verizon has an online filter thing where you can set up text message filters. Block based on domains/subdomains, telephone numbers, etc.

  • by Mitchell Mebane ( 594797 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @06:47PM (#4918954) Homepage Journal
    /me pulls up his super-secret list of contact numbers

    Ah, here we go. Give Yahoo a call at 1-408-349-3300. Took me a while to find that number, but it actually works.
  • by Ooblek ( 544753 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @06:52PM (#4919000)
    My, you are full of yourself to call someone dense when you obviously have never gone through the process yourself.

    To add to the previous respondents that also said you're wrong, I can give an example of what happens in small claims. My brother went through this and it took him a year to collect his money.

    An established nursery business with several locations in a particular city in Oklahoma let one of their unlicensed, illegal immigrant workers drive one of their spare cars. This guy came barreling down the road, over the hill, and realized he was going too fast to avoid hitting the car that had stopped at the light in front of him. He swerved into oncoming traffic and nailed my brother head on as he was waiting in the oncoming turn lane. Police came, arrested illegal immigrant for no license and no insurance. My brothers car needed major work, and he only had liability as he had just paid it off a month before.

    Nursery came and bailed the guy out of jail. The nursery claimed they had sold the car to the guy, and "We're not responsible." My brother went to the DMV and had to pay to get the ownership records himself, as proof that they were the registered owners. He had to pay to file the claim in small claims court. He had to pay to have them served with a summons. They didn't show up to court, so he won. He sent them several letters, never got an acknowledgement or a dime from them.

    He went back to court a few months later with delivery receipts of the letters he had sent. He had to buy something from the nursery with a check so that he could figure out where their bank account was and what the number was. Once he had this information, he ask the court for a garnishment. It was granted, he went to the bank, and got about half of what he was owed because they didn't have enough in the account to cover the full amount. Another round of registered letters, another trip back to court, another garnishment, and he finally got to their bank account at a time when they had enough money to cover what he was owed and all the additional costs he had accrued trying to collect the money.

    This is the same wherever you go, and it even will work in your favor if you get sued. Just don't pay, and it can take months or years for them to get the money out of you, if they ever get it. Now, there is of course no guarentee you won't eventually piss some judge off and have a warrant issued for you.

  • simple solution (Score:4, Informative)

    by Kunta Kinte ( 323399 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @07:07PM (#4919104) Journal
    disable SMS for a short while.

    Most mailing list unsubscribe you if your messages bounce for some limit.

    Inconveniet yes, but it should work.
  • What to do (Score:3, Informative)

    by Eric Smith ( 4379 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @07:36PM (#4919262) Homepage Journal
    Any suggestions for what I should do next to try and get Yahoo! to stop sending these unwanted messages?
    Sue them in small claims court for a few hundred dollars. They'll probably settle and pay you off, but if they keep sending you the unwanted messages, you can just keep suing them and collecting money from them.

    IANAL, so I don't really know how well this will work.

  • by Wiseleo ( 15092 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @07:43PM (#4919301) Homepage
    I routinely handle complaints on behalf of my customers with their vendors. Some vendors, such as Verio, are beyond awful to work with based on my experience. Some vendors know me by name if enough of my clients have issues with them :-). I will outline my techniques for the common benefit of the readers.

    My typical procedure (first week):

    1. Contact first level personnel for about 3 days and gather employee IDs and case numbers.
    2. Cease talking with first level and skip directly to first level supervisors confronting them with evidence. Do so for 1 day, on the 3rd day with at least 2 calls documenting the supervisor employee ID and case numbers.
    3. Cease talking with supervisors and skip directly to second level supervisors. Do so for 1 day similar to 1st level.
    4. Advise the second level supervisor that if the problem is not handled within the next 24 hours (the 5th day), the next directive will be received from his manager, ignore the laughter if any insues.
    5. Follow up the next day (by then you should have a direct line) and remind him that the problem still exists.

    Begin corporate level follow ups as follows (second week, generally 2 to 3 days):

    1. Look up the company's corporate records for the following:
    a) The front desk phone number
    b) The Investor Relations (or any other PR function) - optional, never used it
    c) The legal counsel of the company - optional, never used it
    d) The company's mailing address for the HQ
    2. Contact the front desk and ask to be transferred to the Office of the President/CEO. It's really none of their business to know why, but be candid and polite.
    3. Believe it or not, most of the time you will in fact reach the executive assistant or someone whose job is specifically to resolve stretched out problems. Once you reach that person, obtain their direct number, e-mail, fax, and mailing address. Be prepared to send a ton of evidence of wrongdoing. The people at the top generally will have the organization chart available and know the executive in charge of that particular part of the company.
    4. If you are lucky, and most of the time you won't be, you'll be given contact information for that particular executive. The executives are extremely busy people, so you'll likely talk to his assistant instead. Most of the time, however, it's not really necessary.
    5. Be prepared for very different treatment the next time you call the customer service department as your name will be quite well known around the company. A simple memo from about 4-5 management levels down advising on how to deal with your problem carries infinitely more weight than any insult you can come up with.

    Yes, I get results fast and this kind of work generally costs the client about $1200 or so. In fact, I once got a Nortel Regional VP in charge of my area to contact me within literally 40 minutes of me reaching just the front desk at Nortel to resolve a vendor issue. The vendor subsequently lost their authorization from Nortel.

    Does this sound like overkill? Try to call Yahoo front desk, ask for Office of CEO, and present your case. Internal pressure is very effective.

    Oh yeah, the mailing address is for the thank you letter along with hard copies of the evidence.

    Enjoy!
  • Re:I would... (Score:3, Informative)

    by sqlrob ( 173498 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @07:44PM (#4919307)
    Try here [junkbusters.com], for info about the TCPA. Basically, anything that reverse charges is illegal to send unsolicited messages to.
  • by zehn ( 96930 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @09:24PM (#4919877) Homepage
    If your phone service is with Verizon then go to http://www.vtext.com and under personalization there is a tab for message blocking in which you can block either a specific address or an entire domain.

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