Quickly Filling Up 150GB of Legal Media Files? 458
Fred Nowicki asks: "If you have ever used the P2P client Direct Connect (or DC++) to find media on the Internet, you know that the best hubs have ridiculous sharing requirements, i.e., over 100GB. It isn't too difficult to amass a collection of 100GB of illegal movies and MP3s with all the crap that's out there, but I'd like to play it straight: I want to collect 150GB of pure legal stuff. So here's my million dollar question: What is the best and fastest way for me achieve this? I want to offer interesting, neat stuff (movies, music, programs, etc.), not just Linux distros, mind you. One thing I've found so far is a mirror of the Prelinger Archives on archive.org, which offers over 37GB of wacky, interesting stuff on divx format (in MPEG-2, it's over 350GB, but that seems like cheating if I take that route). One downside of this site is that it's not a very fast connection (about 50KB/sec through their FTP via my cable modem -- I'd like a throughput of at least 100KB/sec). I've considered mirroring the Gutenberg project, but there are all sorts of redistribution issues with a bunch of their files, and I don't want to go through all that hassle. Come on, Slashdot. Give me some URLs!"
The easy solution (Score:4, Funny)
Re:The easy solution (Score:2, Funny)
Re:The easy solution (Score:5, Funny)
cat
Re:The easy solution (Score:5, Funny)
Actually, using
(Sorry, still bitter for getting kicked off of Napster the same day I bought a $40 Metallica CD that I had also downloaded)...
Re:The easy solution (Score:3, Funny)
Not to mention the fact that you would get WAY better compression...
Re:The easy solution (Score:5, Funny)
"No, You Honor, I know you don't believe me, but it *did* come from
I can hear sighs of relief from p2p network users preparing their defence
Re:The easy solution (Score:5, Funny)
Jason
ProfQuotes [profquotes.com]
Re:The easy solution (Score:3, Insightful)
gasp! (Score:3, Funny)
100gb, no problem! (Score:5, Funny)
Best way (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Best way (Score:2)
Re:Best way (Score:2)
Re:Best way (Score:2)
In a band? (Score:3, Interesting)
Use FLAC [xiph.org] and make Perfect CD Quality copies of your CDs and make them available.
"Your CDs"? That only works if you're in a band. Even if the original poster is in a band whose members write their own songs, how many albums has that band released? Divide that by about 4 to see how many GBs that would make up.
And if the original poster is in a band whose members write their own songs, how can they be sure that in writing the songs, they didn't accidentally infringe another songwriter's copyright [vwh.net]?
Re:In a band? (Score:3, Insightful)
md5sum makes P2P distribution trustworthy (Score:3, Interesting)
I would never dl Public Domain, or Linux Isos from a P2P when I can get it from an FTP that's trustworthy.
Why wouldn't you trust a copy of a free operating system distribution you download on a P2P filesharing network? If you download a file from P2P, and its MD5 hash matches the hash available on the trustworthy FTP site, there should be not one bit of difference between the file you got from P2P and the file on the trustworthy FTP site.
See my URL... (Score:3, Insightful)
Jaysyn
What about 10.000 CD-ROMs? (Score:3, Funny)
So let me get this straight... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:So let me get this straight... (Score:5, Funny)
(/Pete Townshend)
-Berj
Re:So let me get this straight... (Score:5, Funny)
Origin of the 24-hour myth (Score:5, Informative)
The (mis)conception of a "24-hour trial period" in the warez community comes from various exceptions in U.S. copyright law pertaining to libraries. Warez sites claim that they are "checking out" files to patrons, putting the patrons on the honor system to "return" the files by deleting them. And the warez curators just may be able to pull it off if they disable each download for 24 hours, marking it "Checked Out".
Re:So let me get this straight... (Score:2)
This stops the **AA packhound companies from targetting him via his ISP and still gives him access to his porn fix *ahem*, files.
One word... (Score:5, Interesting)
Not quite as interesting a read as a Project Guttenberg book, though.
Re:One word... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:One word... (Score:2)
Re:One word... (Score:3, Funny)
how about tucows? (Score:2)
freeware games and apps on P2P.
SHN Audio of Live Bands (Score:5, Informative)
Re:SHN Audio of Live Bands (Score:5, Informative)
- MayorQ
Re:SHN Audio of Live Bands (Score:2, Interesting)
Don't give him ANY URLS!!! (Score:5, Funny)
The solution (Score:2)
a.out >
That should fill it up pretty fast.
-Sean (fp?)
Re:The solution (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Why pass the program CL arguments? (Score:4, Funny)
-Sean
Re:Why pass the program CL arguments? (Score:2)
-Sean
Download... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Download... (Score:2)
Don't know the best way to do this. My suggestion would be free mp3s/oggs, reencode them to higher bitrates if need be. If you have a video game system with games you're decent at and a video capture card, you could capture gameplay and post it, although that may have a few minor legal implications (character trademarks, etc). There may also be some public domain movies you could search for, although frankly, good luck in finding them. I have a feeling you'll be hard pressed to get 150gigs of legal media files.
wget!! (Score:3, Funny)
wget -r http://*
Yeah, I know it won't really work...
Try some legal music sites for starts (Score:2, Insightful)
And infringe Capcom's copyright (Score:3, Interesting)
game music remixes
Do you have permission from Konami or Sega to distribute recordings of Konami's or Sega's copyrighted musical works? I don't think so. See my other comment [slashdot.org].
mysql dump of the slashdot database (Score:5, Funny)
Re:mysql dump of the slashdot database (Score:2)
Let me get this straight... (Score:2, Insightful)
Or.... (Score:4, Insightful)
http://ns-co.net/ as an example.
You could also have the linux binaries for them.
You could carry Tenebrae, quakeforge, etc. It would
add up eventually.
ibiblio.org (Score:2)
But please don't just download the whole ibiblio.org with a fat pipe - please ask the ftpmaster before doing it, s/he'll appreciate it!
think about this... (Score:2)
Re:think about this... (Score:2, Insightful)
Just as soon as they find all the people that are sharing illegally, then they are just going to say that the people doing all the legal sharing were just doing it to access the illegal content. Not that they can really prosecute without having it on your HDD, but they get what they want in the end. The destruction of the filesharing network.
IIRC, there is a famous old saying by a German about not speaking up when they came for the gypsies and Jews, but when they came for him, there was no one left to speak up. Well, when the legal sharers won't speak up for the others using the network, who will speak up for them when their time comes?
Re:think about this... (Score:3, Insightful)
Thus, since filesharing cannot be banned, they must concede the point that we've been trying to make for the past several years, that illegal filesharing is a social problem and not a technological one.
scene.org (Score:5, Informative)
Re:scene.org (Score:4, Informative)
Of course the 32 Kb game and 64 Kb intro compos wouldn't really fill up those 150 Gb but at least they're worth every bit they take.
These days a decent party has about 5 Gb of stuff so that'll fill up your space quite nicely...
Homemade Pornography (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Homemade Pornography (Score:5, Funny)
You've thought about that way too much, and it shows.
mp3.com (Score:2)
(however, redistributing them or spidering the website to gather the files might violate their TOS)
usenet news (Score:2)
alt.binaries on usenet news may be the death of usenet in terms of bandwidth, but there is plenty of grassroots entertainment that is not the likes of warez or commercial pr0n. Its not too hard to avoid the commercial junk and find normal people like you and me, despite the spam.
Find someone with the data and fedex a hard drive (Score:5, Interesting)
Welll...
It is vastly faster and cheaper to fed-ex a couple large hard drives across the country than to download files over a wire. Just find an archive, send your drives and a case of beer to the maintainers and ask them to copy their archive and send the hard drives back to you.
If you send it priority, you could have your archive in a couple days.
Re:Find someone with the data and fedex a hard dri (Score:5, Funny)
Make your own pr0n (Score:2, Redundant)
Star Wars Fan Films (Score:2)
Live Concerts (Score:4, Informative)
Gutenberg... (Score:2, Insightful)
How to clean up a PG etext for redistribution (Score:3, Informative)
If you delete the "small print" section and all references to Project Gutenberg, you can do whatever you want with the text.
However, a few of the PG texts are copyrighted. Even so, if you know Ruby, Python, or Perl, you could probably whip up a script that does the following:
ideas... (Score:5, Insightful)
look up some DJ Demo Tapes - most of these guys will prolly cherish the thought of lightening theirbandwidth load with further distribution - give attribution in filename
movie trailers which are downloadable will prolly not (C)-free but are gray zone - no one will honesty try to subpoena you because of it, their case would be kinda weak (not sure about that)
look for serious abandonware sites - sites that specialize i software/emulator images that are indeed released by their former makers (mostly inexistant now)
host linux distros (not sure about that)
watch /. and wget/archive the referenced web sites with a distinctive name, then posting a link in the /. discussion with the filename (would be coolest if you had it on several p2p networks)
Most of these are still gray area to some extent. Hard question actually...:)
Analysis of your ideas (Score:3, Informative)
look up some DJ Demo Tapes
DJ demo tapes usually contain continuous mixes of copyrighted recordings of copyrighted songs, and because there's not as much of an "open source" community in songwriting as in programming, most songs ("song" in copyright law refers to the melody independent of any recording thereof) are not published under a license allowing free redistribution of recordings.
movie trailers
This could work. I'd assume that at least one of the seven major American motion picture studios [mpaa.org] would be happy to let you mirror advertisements for its movies. Just ask first.
look for serious abandonware sites
Strictly, copyright lasts ninety-five years, but the fact that the copyright owner has allowed the program to fall out of print may constitute an admission that the work has negligible market value, and market value is one of the four primary factors of fair use.
host linux distros
This should work. However, you should look closely at the license for the distribution; some distributions of free operating systems (such as Theo de Raadt's official OpenBSD) copyright the directory structure of the distro CD and do not license it for free redistribution.
watch /. and wget/archive the referenced web sites with a distinctive name, then posting a link in the /. discussion with the filename (would be coolest if you had it on several p2p networks)
This can actually be legal in the USA under the proxy and caching exemptions passed as riders to the DMCA.
Re:ideas... (Score:3, Interesting)
I was sent a cease and desist order for selling 16mm (not even 35mm) movie trailers on Ebay. Selling them on Ebay wasn't the same as giving them away via P2P, but I've got a feeling they won't go much easier on you because of it... at least I wasn't giving away digital copies. They really hate that.
Grateful Dead (Score:2, Interesting)
Hmmm... (Score:2)
Mind you it could future proof this stuff disappearing I guess.
Archive.org (Score:4, Insightful)
I recommened the old "educational" movies [archive.org], but there's a lot more stuff to be found at archive.org [archive.org].
Get some movies from archive.org (Score:3, Interesting)
The "Are you popular" [archive.org] MPEG is 260 MB+
From their terms of use [archive.org]:"Access to the Archive's Collections is provided at no cost to you and is granted for scholarship and research purposesonly."
MP3.com (Score:3, Interesting)
Beware the dangers of law (Score:2)
Perfect solution (Score:2, Informative)
An excellent source for unlicensed anime epsiodes, subtitled in English, is AnimeSuki [animesuki.com], where they're downloadable via BitTorrent [bitconjurer.org] - you know, the P2P App with Brains [slashdot.org]. Downloads are usually quite snappy.
As an added advantage to collecting unlicensed anime, it's usually quite fun to watch. The downside is that once a series becomes licensed, you have to stop sharing it. Right now, there are several good series being released. I recommend Naruto [animenfo.com], Mahoromatic [animenfo.com] and Wolf's Rain [animenfo.com].
Re:Perfect solution (Score:4, Informative)
Read: Japanese Animation Legality and Ethics FAQ, by Andy Kent [tripod.com]
Re:Perfect solution (Score:2)
For the interested, Toriyama's World [toriyamaworld.com] has some nice manga fansubs for download.
Re:Perfect solution (Score:4, Interesting)
"So-called unlicensed episodes are episodes which you're highly unlikely to get into legal trouble for sharing, because there are no licensees outside of Asia, and the licensees that do exist largely tolerate the practice, because it helps sales when the anime in question is eventually brought to market in the rest of the world."
Sorry for messing that up in the original posting. I really should know better.
Ask Slashdot: My Question (Score:5, Funny)
What is the most pointless geeky question I can ask slashdot that will serve no other purpose but get people talking about the banal and irrelevant. My goal is to spend a lot of time and money, hacking something together that really has no purpose other than to amuse my own sad little life, and hopefully impress fellow slashdotters and provide them with funny anecdotes to share around the lunch table - "Hey some guy on slashdot is building a beowulf cluster out of 3000 gameboy advances, and he wanted to know the best colour to get!"
My end goal is to have wasted everybody's time because I probably won't start on the idea, and if I do it will wind up being an unfinished project on my personal website featuring pictures of my cat.
Legal 'bootlegs' (Score:2, Informative)
high-quality rips (Score:2)
Throw in ripping all your audio with lossless codecs and another 50GB isn't hard to come up with for anyone with a lot of CD's.
So it _is_ possible to have 150GB of legal media (assuming fair use rights). Just unlikely
-A
Put up some of your own stuff! (Score:2)
Beyondunreal.com (Score:3, Interesting)
Replace the Gamespy public ftp servers (Score:2)
I don't hate GSI, but they are on my "don't bother" list alongside mydrive, angelcities, ispace, and the like. You could set up a distribution with reasonable naming conventions, links from review sites, and so on.
Think about where you're posting from (Score:5, Funny)
driving video (Score:2, Informative)
that's how i spent my last saturday morning
Open Music Registry (Score:4, Funny)
Redistribution seems to be OK just by including the 'Open Audio statement'. About like including the GPL when you restribute source code.
Mirror Independent Movies? (Score:3, Funny)
I imagine there are many mucisians who would enjoy the free bandwidth as well, although movies will get you bulked up with less inode usage
open music! (Score:3, Interesting)
You can find lots of free content from the links at the registry.
ADUni has about 150 Gigs of data (Score:4, Interesting)
The details are here:
http://aduni.org/donate/
If you were to offer to mirror all these files, I'm sure the folks who are currently maintaining them would be most grateful.
Fast URLs from Slashdot? (Score:5, Funny)
You want to find a site which has had its URL posted to Slashdot and still manages to give 100KB/sec throughput?
You must be new around here...
leech.. (Score:5, Insightful)
furhturnet (Score:3, Insightful)
Let the government work for you (Score:4, Interesting)
First, any law archives you can get. Any commentary. You should be able to find tons of stuff out there, and it would be useful.
Second, all FOIA info that is online, which you can get.
Third, all government publications: "Statistics of Income", for example, is a huge archive.
Fourth, -- and here's a techie POV: see if you could get NASA docs online. There's all kinds of useful stuff out there, from such things as the low-speed GA-W-1 or Clark-Y standard wing sections, to hypersonic data, to investigation results from the Challenger, to -- you know what's coming now, because of Columbia.
Fifth, anything from any of the engineering societies that you can distribute online, do. I'd be willing to bet that a lot of them have books that are out of publication and will not be republished. You may be able to get them in PDF format. Chapter by chapter, that could be a great P2P download.
If you do this, I'm willing to bet you'll get a ton of downloads. Lawyers, engineers, do-it-yourselfers, and so on would all be using your service.
BTW: Thanks for trying to go P2P the legal route, and respecting law.
Mirroring Gutenberg (Score:4, Informative)
If you're outside of the US, you might be mirroring some stuff that is under copyright in your country. But many mirrors still do this, prefering to mirror the whole collection rather than try to select items based on copyright rules. For commercial redistribution, the "small print" applies (basically, you need to pay a trademark fee -- details are in each eBook).
Here is the skinny:
The Project Gutenberg etext collection is distributed primarily by
FTP, although you can have your Web server point to the same directory
and distribute by HTTP. For example, these addresses point to the
same content:
ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/docs/books/gutenberg
a
(though ftp or rsync is best for mirroring; see below)
The collection is over 16GB (January 2003), and expected to grow another
few GB this year. New etexts are added almost every day, so it's best
to mirror nightly.
Our experience has been that a static IP address and T1 (~1.5Mb
symmetric) or better permanent network connection is desirable for
mirroring; DSL and cable modems do not seem to offer the necessary
bandwidth and sometimes suffer stability problems.
The best place to mirror from currently is our master download site at
ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/docs/books/gutenber
rsync (easiest), wget (easy) or the mirror PERL software (requires
some configuration). Here is an overview for each:
1. Rsync (available for all Unix systems; standard on Linux). The last
argument is the local directory for the mirror destination:
rsync -rlHtSv --delete ftp@ftp.ibiblio.org::gutenberg
nberg
2. Wget: Freely available from any GNU mirror. With appropriate
command-line options, this can be used with either a HTTP or FTP
interface, but please use the FTP URL above for Project Gutenberg.
The key is to only get updated files, not files you already have. A
wget command line that should work with some adjustment for your local
needs (run it from wherever you want the mirror to go) is:
wget --mirror --no-host-directories --passive-ftp --no-parent --cut-dirs=4 \
--output-file=/tmp/wget-gutenberg.log \
ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/docs/books/gutenberg
The wget homepage is http://www.gnu.org/gnulist/production/wget.html
3. Mirror PERL software: Available from
http://sunsite.org.uk/packages/mirror/ (among other places). We can
help you set this up for a Unix system. The mirror PERL software has
been reported to work with PERL for WinNT, as well as Unix/Linux/BSD.
Note that the wu-ftpd software patch supplied with the program must be
applied for it to work!
For any mirror method, run a daily job to check for newly updated
files. Unix/Linux employs cron for this; Windows systems could use
the task scheduler.
I can help you with setting up the mirroring software, or any other
details, if you would like.
We don't distribute the Web-based search engine that's available on
the main PG page at http://promo.net/pg. However, we'll add your site
to the list there, so people can find you. The FTP directories are
the only part we offer for mirror, while the central list of mirrors
and search capability is centralized at promo.net.
Once you tell us your mirror is active, we'll announce it in our next
weekly & monthly newsletters. After a month or so (to confirm
stability) we'll add you to the mirror list and download facility at
http://promo.net/pg
Let me know how else I can help. If you decide to go ahead with the
mirror, email me and/or webmaster@promo.net so we can add you to the
mirror list.
Thanks again for getting in touch! And, thanks for your interest in
helping Project Gutenberg reach more readers.
-- Greg
Dr. Gregory B. Newby
Chief Executive and Director
Project Gutenberg Literary Archive Foundation
A 501(c)(3) not-for-profit organization with EIN 64-6221541
gbnewby@ils.unc.edu
Here's 700 MB (Score:3, Informative)
-Ben
Free music (in the sense of freedom) (Score:3, Informative)
So, get some free music. It will fill at least few gigabytes. Some of that music has such licence, that forbids selling that music, but for your purpose even that kind of music is good.
Here are my URLs:
http://www.ram.org/ramblings/philosophy/fmp/fma
http://www.ram.org/ramblings/philosophy/fmp.h
http://www.ram.org/ramblings/philosophy/fmp/c
http://www.twisted-helices.com/th/
http://www.negativland.com/
http://logosfoundation.org/
http://logosfounda
http://www.janisian.com/
http://kotisivu.mtv3.fi/hipit/
http://www.vorbis.com/
http://www.vorbis.com/m
http://www.vorbis.com/musicsites.psp
http://www.creativecommons.org/
Re:Easy (Score:2)
Re:What's the problem with PG? (Score:3, Informative)
How many copyrights do they infringe? (Score:3, Informative)
Almost all of the recordings available at overclocked.net (except possibly for some arrangements of Russian folk tunes such as Korobeiniki, labeled as "Tetris" remixes) are derivative works of the songs in video games and thus infringe copyrights owned by (the songwriters who licensed the music to) the video game publishers.
Music videos for major-label recordings that include footage from animated television shows infringe three copyrights: 1. the copyright on the TV show, 2. the copyright on the song, and 3. the copyright on the recording.
WTC movies as well (Score:3, Insightful)
Video footage of other disasters can also help you fill up a 150 GB hard disk. Here are some clips [die.net] of the terrorist destruction of the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001. Just make sure to ask any identifiable copyright owner before you mirror them on DC.
Re:legal mp3 music sites (Score:3, Insightful)
I can't say that I care too much about most file sharing, but Emusic's taking a gamble that I want to see succeed: they're offering fully unlocked music and relying on the integrity of their customers to prevent re-distribution.
Companies that trust their customers are rare. I'm not willing to abuse that trust. Otherwise, crap like Pressplay and Rhapsody will be all that's left.