Getting Over the Stigma of a Previous Job? 678
Subm asks: "Some friends-of-friends worked at a company with such a high profile downfall their past employer became a liability. They weren't involved in causing the downfall, but with the name 'Enron' on their resumes, interviews were spent defending their past employment. SCO is more focused in its industry than Enron, was and its reputation is in a downward spiral in that industry (Unix and GNU/Linux, not lawsuits, that is). SCO's staff will have to look for other jobs sooner or later, and most within the Unix/GNU/Linux community. Can good workers get over the stigma of an employer's reputation? How will working at SCO affect its staff's careers? Does anyone at SCO talk about this?"
Industry? (Score:5, Funny)
Which industry is that? scamming and defrauding people?
That's not really fair. (Score:5, Insightful)
Remember, the original SCO is now Tarantella, Inc., and a SCO employee of 5 years ago has absolutely nothing to do with the actions of the current SCaldera. Do such people deserve the opprobrium anyway? Similarly, should Ransom Love be blamed for the actions taken by Darl McBride?
MCI/Worldcom was one of the early corporate adopters of PHP. If you were interviewing for an IT position and wanted a forward-thinking individual, would you pass over an ex-Worldcom employee based on the ethics problems of Bernard Ebbers and his (probably small) cabal?
A single individual can rarely take credit for large corporate efforts (i.e. implementing an ERP system, etc.). Similarly, outside of situations where corporate officers are legally responsible, individuals should not be blamed for corporate wrongdoings.
Re:That's not really fair. (Score:4, Insightful)
Yes, they do deserve the opprobrium. It's not like the employees of SCO don't know they are participating in a pump-and-dump. But then again, with the way the economy is going, I can't really blame anyone for being carefree with their nerd karma. To sum it up succinctly:
A SCO job is better than no job.
Re:That's not really fair. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:That's not really fair. (Score:4, Informative)
Re:That's not really fair. (Score:5, Interesting)
Although you're probably right, this [com.com] is what I interpreted as him having a role in hiring Darl:
He never comes out and says it, but he makes it sound like he was involved in the selection process. I had remembered it a little differently when I originally read that article.
It's about skills, 99.9% (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:It's about skills, 99.9% (Score:5, Funny)
Re:It's about skills, 99.9% (Score:5, Interesting)
If you can do the work, and do it well - - and you're reliable and honest and willing to take what's offered in the way of starting compensation - - many doors will open.
Not to be argumentative, but this is not necessarily always true.
A past employer can be an awful liability, especially in the case of a high-profile fraud situation or a combative company. Many times if you are a former employee you are "guilty by association."
It's somewhat similar to looking for a job and being overqualified. You have the skills, you can hit the ground running and you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are the best damn candidate for the job. BUT... You have a PhD. The employer will snub his nose at you because you're overqualified. Does it matter that you are willing to take entry level and 60/hrs a week? Not really, because then they'll wonder why you're willing to work cheap.
Yes, your past credentials and associations matter.
Re:It's about skills, 99.9% (Score:3, Informative)
Re:It's about skills, 99.9% (Score:5, Interesting)
Overqualified (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:It's about skills, 99.9% (Score:4, Interesting)
I spent almost 3 years working at MontaVista Software, having started off there as an intern in college. I did damned good work, porting more than 3x the number of packages slated for my team during my first three months there, and coming up with some innovated automated testing tools later on in my employment. During my last year there, as part of the Corporate Stuffiness effort, a new policy went up: No references to former employees. Not good references, not bad references, nothing. Any queries would be sent to HR, which would confirm dates of employment and last position held.
So: I decide that I've had enough of the Bay Area and move to Texas; MontaVista decides they don't need the management overhead of an additional remote employee and lets me go. When trying to find new work (halfway across the country in a city where I had no contacts), the refusal to give out references hurt. A lot.
Which is not to say that there's no happy ending. I'm now employed at an underfunded, understaffed startup making some really amazingly neat software going out for a first release in the very near future. (Live in Austin? Good with Java? Willing to work mostly for stock? Demangle my email address and get in touch).
Re:It's about skills, 99.9% (Score:3, Interesting)
you should have been able to talk to your supervisors, etc. in order to secure personal references, but never ever expect a company to make a statement one way or the other about you.
Re:It's about skills, 99.9% (Score:5, Funny)
He put under education - High School.
He put under Hobbies - BS,MS,PHd.
His first interview with the modified resume - the guy doing the hiring states "We approve of hobbies
Some times it's how you put the resume together!
Re:It's about skills, 99.9% (Score:3, Interesting)
A few years back I was looking for a mid-level IT job. I had several years of good experience and a single MS certification for WinNT Server. I had been leading my resume with the cert. thinking people would want to see it, but then one day I took a closer look at it and realized I was making a big mistake. With the cert. just sitting there all alone at the top of the resume people were probably thinking, "gee, why doesn't this guy have a full MCSE,"
People don't hire threats to themselves. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:People don't hire threats to themselves. (Score:3, Insightful)
The eonomy in the U.S. is getting a lot better, but from what I see it still isn't great.
I would wonder too... (Score:3, Insightful)
I've been in the position of having to interview people with such qualifications. They ALWAYS act as if they are only there to get a salary once again (even if they say the low salary is OK -- it's only temporary to them). The second the market opens up, they're gone. This isn't sour grapes. It's a fact. Someone who's had a lot of training expects to
Re:You can do whatever you want. (Score:3, Insightful)
In other words, they want to work for a company that provides them with the very best job that there is. And that might not be you, but they still have to pay the rent, right?
I bet you'd hire someone that didn't quite fit your needs knowing fully that you'd fire them later if a better suited individual came along if your company couldn't otherwise function without someone in the position.
So why is it o.k. for you to put y
Re:It's about skills, 99.9% (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:It's about skills, 99.9% (Score:3, Funny)
Are we talking about the same industry here? In most of the place I worked at, there were a good half dozen MCSE 2000 Losers that didn't know jack shit about Active Directory, Networking, or anything else covered on those god damn test.
The problem is NOT the abundance of "highly s
It's about skills 99.9%, only to the short sighted (Score:3, Insightful)
Yes, but
Of course, not all risks are created equal. Hiring an ex-SCO employee could be hir
Re:It's about skills 99.9%, only to the short sigh (Score:5, Insightful)
You leave no room for the concept that a current employee has a job, gets up in the morning, goes to work, does their work, goes home, goes to bed just so they can get money to pay the rent.
If I worked at SCO, I don't think I'd want to work for you...
Re:It's about skills 99.9%, only to the short sigh (Score:3, Insightful)
And what, exactly, do you think it is that Saddam Hussein's prison guards did? Or Enron's accountants? Or Darl McBride?
Unethical behavior is unethical, regardless of how the unethically obtained money is spent. A company hires an unethical person at their own risk. Hiring is as much about risk management as it is
Re:It's about skills 99.9%, only to the short sigh (Score:3, Insightful)
Probably. I can teach skills. Fixing your ethical handicaps is beyond me.
SCO is a good example. Spammers are another one. I would expect people who work for them to be ethically challenged. Either that or unaware of what their employers were up to, in which case they'd be too clueless to bother with.
Why again, wou
Re:It's about skills 99.9%, only to the short sigh (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:It's about skills 99.9%, only to the short sigh (Score:4, Interesting)
Define fucking "underpaid". Most fucking IT people I know make > $10/hour, and they fucking bitch relentlessly about how they live paycheck to paycheck. Guess what, pal? At $10/hour, they're making MORE MONEY than a good majority of the citizens in this country. NO FUCKING SHIT. I used to be there, making minimum wage, living in a shit-hole, eating ramen and rice. But you know what? If it came to that or being a fucking coward because my Employer was an unethical piece of shit and I knew it, I'll be back to ramen. YOU choose your lifestyle. When you realize that a stupid movie called "Fight Club" was right on several points (you are not what you own, you are not your string-bean couch, you are not what's in y our wallet) and learn to live on LESS (and you'll find you appreciate those things even more), then you don't have to worry about living "paycheck to paycheck" because you've reduced your living expenses considerably. Do you really need that $400 SUV out in the driveway? Do you really need that 1600 sq ft house with the 1 acre yard? No, you don't.
Imagine this stupid scenario: You find out your company is doing business selling 12 year old little boys and girls into the sex trade. You need your paycheck. Are you such a fucking coward that you'll stay, just so you can keep earning a paycheck? What's that? You don't care? Fuck you. You're a fucking coward.
Wake up America.
And now you lose. (Score:3, Insightful)
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/fortwayne/classifi e ds
And I do NOT want to hear about "that doesn't pay enough". As long as it pays enough for basic food, shelter and clothing and it's
Re:It's about skills 99.9%, only to the short sigh (Score:5, Insightful)
You also missed one important possible attribute that a SCO employee may have: the desire to feed his kids in a bad job market. The idea of explaining to your children why they're having to move into public housing and buy milk with coupons might be enough to make someone want to stick it out until their idiot CEO is replaced by someone more rational.
Talk about morality all you want, but given the current IT career options, it could be suicidal to quit a full-time job. If you're blind to the possibility that there may be good, talented people at SCO, then that's a shame.
Missed one.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Missed one.... (Score:3, Insightful)
Desperate: They stay because they have to provide for their family but can't find a job because no one will hire a SCO employee.
...and if such a person presented themselves to me, right now, wishing to leave SCO because of the way SCO is behaving, then I would indeed consider that person on their merits, and give them credit for trying to get out of such an ethically untenable situation.
However, if they wait until SCO is crushed to a pulp, my reaction will be rather more circumspect (ie they can get st
Re:It's about skills 99.9%, only to the short sigh (Score:3, Insightful)
My personal ethics would put feeding my children above working for a lying, litigatious employer. Idealism only goes so far when the house and college educations are on the line. It's only been some months since SCO has started to persue its new business model, and with a job market like todays it's not easy to find a job even in that period of time. Also, It's not like SCO is killing people. SCO is not that bad.
Many software
Re:It's about skills, 99.9% (Score:3, Insightful)
I'll just put it this way - if there ever was such a creature as a reliable and honest worker, he was walked over, ripped off and had the crap kicked out of him years ago by his unscrupulous, self-serving cow-orkers and incompetant managers.
Re:It's about skills, 99.9% (Score:3, Insightful)
Think about it... how many coding friends do you have unemployed? If you had a job, its hard to get another, and its even harder being unemployed or out of the IT industry. Some of these SCO grunts need you people to simply give them some slack. They probably have mouths to feed.
Industry defense mechanism (Score:3, Interesting)
Perhaps that would motivate employers to quit as soon as their company starts being vastly evil, which would in itself be a motivation for companies not to be evil.
Thoughts?
Re:Industry defense mechanism (Score:2)
Re:Industry defense mechanism (Score:3, Interesting)
On first thought, that sounds quite plausible. But on second thought, i know and you know that if someone bails out of a $25/hr job, the company will be more than happy to try to hire someone into it (read: inexperienced newbs or immigrants) at $9/hr.
All and all, that will have a detrimental effect on everyone in the entire industry, as we s
Don't call it a Union. (Score:3)
Have you ever heard of the AMA? It's union for doctors but it's called the American Medical Association.
Another prominent example is the Bar Association which is a union for lawyers.
There is nothing wrong with banding together to fight for your interests.
Re:Industry defense mechanism (Score:4, Interesting)
Nice speculation, but where's the evidence to back it up?
I was a member of a new union of Teachers Assistants at UC Santa Cruz a few years back, and after we went on a 2-week strike, the school negotiated with us, and we got a real contract with medical, dental, and optical benefits (which didn't exist before this particular contract). Plus a guarantee of binding arbitration in case of issues with a particular professor. (such as sexual harrassment or overworking by the professor).
Before we had this contract, professors were requiring their TAs to grade 40-50 hours a week in some cases even though the contract was for 20 hours per week. And the students couldn't say no, since it was the accepted system and their only source of income while a student.
For these TAs, anyway, the union was an invaluable thing.
So there's my union story. What's yours?
Re:Industry defense mechanism (Score:3, Insightful)
Yeah, I thought about that -- but if inexperienced newbs or immigrants can do the job adequately for less, then the company would already have replaced its workforce with them.
On the other hand, if the newbs or immigrants they would hire are less capable,
Re:Industry defense mechanism (Score:3, Insightful)
Yes, but this is a little more short-term thinking. Companies these days are doing everything humanly possible to cut the bottom line. They're making really stupid decisions to take more money from their customers while giving them less and taking more and more control over their product after it
unions and democracy. (Score:3, Interesting)
To me, the "problems" with unions is comparable to the "problems" with democracy: if your democratic nation/union is filled with apathetic ill-informed citizenry/members, corruption will not be a surprize. However, the solution is not to install fascism or anarchy, but rather to educate the citizenry and expunge
Re:Industry defense mechanism (Score:4, Insightful)
The items I look for in hiring are:
If you are honestly doing your job and have nothing to do with any corrupt or questionable business practices, would you really want to work for a place that blacklists you based upon your commited work to a percieved "unethical" orginization?
Re:Industry defense mechanism (Score:3, Interesting)
Actually, I would give kudos to a person, if they were in a situation to where they could not advance and were not able to barter for a raise. There are some companies out there that will not give "raises", but merit increases, and if you don't switch jobs, you usually don't get a rais
Re:Industry defense mechanism (Score:3, Insightful)
Yep, with myself. The notion of corporate loyalty is dead. I mean, most companies will fire me and the whole department to save a few bucks, so why shouldn't I with a clear conscience leave when it's to my own gain?
Re:Industry defense mechanism (Score:5, Insightful)
Just leave out that time period (Score:5, Funny)
At least that's something respectable.
I do see a problem for a tech. (Score:5, Interesting)
The other issue that I see is anybody from Management should probably be avoided. These are the ones that took down Caldera, Unix, and SCO.
Re:I do see a problem for a tech. (Score:3, Interesting)
Don't know about SCO, but ... (Score:5, Interesting)
I'd imagine that pretty much the same would hold for SCO employees. If nothing else, being a former SCO employee makes the question "why did you leave your last position?" very easy to answer.
Re:Don't know about SCO, but ... (Score:5, Funny)
Would the answer: "What do you think dumbass!", cause me to *not* get the job?
Can they be proactive? (Score:4, Interesting)
I wouldn't have a problem with hiring someone who worked for SCO if they were looking for a job now. But I'd have a different opinion if they were looking after SCO goes broke (or whatever happens).
Re:Can they be proactive? (Score:4, Insightful)
What if you have a sick family member, and need the health insurance the company provides you?
Life isn't fair. (Score:3, Insightful)
If they're in debt that bad, they could be a risk. Do they have a gambling problem?
Health insurance is tricky. They can continue their coverage in many cases, but they'll have to pay for it.
That's why being proactive is important. I don't want some idiot who can't see what's coming because he's too busy worrying about his gambling debts.
If his life is THAT complicated (high debts, sick family member, etc) then he NEEDS to b
Typecast! (Score:2)
"Sorry, I can only picture you in a corrupt company role."
Personally it would depend... (Score:5, Insightful)
However for every door closed there's a door open, consider writing a book about the mess or posing for playboy for example (they did a women of Enron IIRC)? You get the idea there...
IMHO there's always an opportunity for you...just look....
Actually... (Score:2)
Now, if instead you wait till the company has gone bust, well, it gets much harder to defend yourself, you can always go the 'bills to pay, couldn't leave' route but it's not as convincing.
Companies like Enron where the rank'n'file probably
Employment stigma (Score:4, Insightful)
Unless your friends-of-friends are actively involved in upper management (director level +), they shouldn't have problems. If they are involved in upper-level management, then they already know several executive-level headhunters who will find them new jobs in a hurry. Sucks, but that's how it goes when you play at that level.
Can I get over the stigma of my last job? (Score:5, Insightful)
I gave that company three long hard years, and developed some absolutely killer applications for them. Now, if an prospective employer calls them, they make me out to be some malicious, spiteful Developer who left them high and dry. Three years of stellar work... down the drain.
With that said, I guess the best advice is that employment is like a marriage, you need to check them out, just as much as they do you. Else your left with stigma of the former employer, either you on them, or them on you. Either case, it's not good.
Depens on where you apply (Score:2, Flamebait)
former SCO employee (Score:2)
I think it's safe to assume that (1) probably not many people at SCO have much expertise except legal, (2) SCO's former Linux experts may not want to try getting hired by IBM or SuSE, or they might become eligible for disability in very short order.
McBride? (Score:4, Funny)
SuDZ
Silly (Score:3, Insightful)
It assumes prospective employers will look at a qualified job applicant and say, "No, I just can't hire this person because he used to work for a jerk. Even though he had no control over the legal matters of his employer, somhow I have to take it out on him."
Come on people, be realistic.
easy (Score:2)
If you stay with them for a long time, the obvious conclusion would seem to be that you either approve of your employer's conduct or that you are really desparate for a job. Either way, it is not a recommendation.
Does SCO even still have technical employees? (Score:2)
The solution (Score:5, Funny)
Good folk in bad companies will always happen (Score:2, Insightful)
Having been in a bit of this position, I can say that the best approach is to put things in the context of doing the job that is given to you to the best of your ability. While your job may not be popular par se (imagine trying to land something after having the
What about non-compete clauses in contracts? (Score:3, Informative)
Whorehouse Piano Player (Score:5, Funny)
When your interviewer asks you what on earth a whorehouse was doing repackaging and integrating AT&T SYSV code, tell him it you were actually working at SCO back when SCO was a software company with a mediocre UNIX distribution, and that you left when you saw the writing on the wall when its then-CEO said Linux would never amount to anything.
Then say "But there's still less stigma that comes with saying you were a whorehouse piano player."
There's Hope (Enron != SCO) (Score:4, Informative)
From what I can tell from the published reports, the "smoke and mirrors" approach to financial disclosure was pretty pervasive at Enron. I think anyone who has experience of that kind of trading business would regard someone who claimed to have known nothing about it with a rather skeptical eye. (I know I would. Although I'm a geek, I do also have an MBA and spent ~20 years working in IT on Wall Street. Had I worked at Enron, I feel certain I would have known something fishy was up -- there just aren't that many secrets in that culture.)
SCO/Caldera, on the other hand, did have a legitimate, although not very successful, business before they entered the litigation industry. If I were hiring, I wouldn't touch any of the management with a bargepole, but a Unix support tech who just did a competent job is a different story.
In any case, in any interview, all you can do is to tell the truth (emphasizing your good points, of course), and hope that the interviewer will take things on the merits.
SCO (Score:3, Interesting)
Change careers- (Score:3, Insightful)
Took some time off from working, and did a career change. In retrospect, probably the best thing I have ever done job-wise.
SCO isn't the problem (Score:3, Interesting)
Resume Madness (Score:5, Interesting)
While that statement could be seen as inflammatory, perhaps I should share two examples to clarify my strong feelings on the subject...
My point is this: If someone comes from SCO with a skill set that I need, they'll get the gig. If they prove to fail at their skill, they're likely to loose their job.
As an employer I care about results, not politics.
Will I hire Daryl? If I need a scum-sucking-bottom-feeder - or was that a fish?
Re:Resume Madness (Score:3, Funny)
Unless they were upper management... (Score:3, Informative)
If they need to defend it from before it started showing up in the press, try to show that you couldn't have been in a position to know (hopefully). And if they need to defend it after it became known, well you needed to put food on the table. You hadn't done anything illegal, weren't doing anything illegal, and you were getting a paycheck.
But if they were in positions that are suspicious, that might have known or at least suspected, or that even just sound as if they'd know that much, well... no, then they're out of luck, even if they're completely innocent in all this. People will always wonder.
At least, that's how I'd attack it. It might go against the common "I was so big and important and had all this responsibility" show-off you usually do at job interviews, but in this case I'd try to make myself seem small and insignificant.
Kjella
It depends on the interview (Score:4, Insightful)
If they say yes, hire them, anyone that'll do a good job there will do a good one for you.
If they say no, I did my best to sabotage their antiGNU efforts show them the door and say thank you very much for taking your time to come down, then warn your buddies at lunch just in case the guy ever shows up at their business. If they have no more personal integrety than that you can't trust them enough to hire them, they'll do the same thing to you as soon as the coffee vender puts in a blend they don't like, their favorite candy is out at the machine, etc.
You hire people to get work done, not to go off on their own prima-donna crusades.
Former Bosses are the Worst! (Score:4, Interesting)
For example, during the 1990's I worked for a small five person company that was the North American distributor of a computer-controlled machine made by a German company. I got good performance reviews all the time. Then one partner retired and the other decided to cut back on the work. The German company sent over a guy to run the North American 'division'. After about six months he had fired all the previous employees.
Now whenever I apply for a new job, the HR people call this guy and he goes on about what a worthless jerk I was to them. I'm not sure why he continues to do this nor do I know how to get around the situation.
I suspect that it's a German:American cultural dissonance. Do your job well 99.9% of the time and the Americans will exclaim what a valuable and productive employee you were: fuck up 0.01% of the time and the Germans will focus on this forever.
The Americans of European background are usually indentical in appearance to Europeans and this often masks deep and strong cultural differences. Most of the European-Americans are decended from people who were told a hundred years ago on no uncertain terms to either get the fuck out of town or be killed. Or, they were so poor that they we just as good as dead so they had nothing to lose by moving to the other side of the world. This is the primary foundation of the deep differences between German-Americans and Germans (and European-Americans and Europeans in general).
European companies should not post managers to America for their first overseas posting because there are so many superficial simularities between the two countries that it tends to encourage blindness to the strong cultural differences beneath the surface. They should first go somewhere where the cultural differences are all on the surface. After they get experience and expertise in different business climates then they should take command of the American divisions. Of course, the other way (Americans managing European divisions) also applies equally as well.
If European-Americans and Europeans were as actually simular in culture and outlook as they are in appearance then they would have not fought two giant wars with each other in thirty years.
Anyone have any insights into this situation?
Nuremburg Revisted! (Score:4, Insightful)
Integrity is the willingness to do what is right even when no one is looking. I have deliberately made choices knowing I would lose my job and career but did so anyway because it was simply the right thing to do. So it should be with the SCO employees.
I am the CIO of my company. What do you think the chances of any post-SCO-implosion employee being hired by me? Slim to none.
I'm sick and tired of people who know only about situational ethics.
The sooner you get out, the better. (Score:4, Interesting)
Enron is more unfortunate, because management there defrauded not only investors but their own employees; in the case of SCO there is no secret to anybody what kind of shit they're pulling.
This reminds me of an old joke (Score:5, Funny)
Dear Abby,
My mother, an alcoholic, is currently serving a life sentence for murdering my father after discovering that he was selling child pornography to support our family. I'm helping to raise the illegitimate child of my sister, who is in drug rehab and currently appealing a prostitution conviction. I spent most of my youth in foster homes and on the street, supporting myself and my cocaine habit by robbing the elderly. Finally I took a high school equivalency exam, enrolled in college and learned computer programming. I am now making a good salary working as a developer at Microsoft.
Recently I met a really wonderful girl. She is caring and loving, and I want to have a serious relationship with her, but I am afraid that if she finds out more about me she won't want to see me again. So the question is, should I tell her that I work for Microsoft?
Methinks (Score:4, Funny)
Interesting - Ethics (Score:5, Insightful)
I absolutely agree - let me say that up front. Given a such a choice, I would feed my family first.
Ethics, however, is a deeper topic than either/or in a given situation. While it is true that companies go bad (like SCO), this is somewhat rare, I think. At least, most of the companies I've worked with both as a consultant and as an employee (more than 100, easily) rarely was much more than disingenuous on the edge cases. When they were more than that, I was among many that pitched the argument in the other direction.
Truly nasty companies are easy to spot: they target a market that has a weakness they think they can exploit. SCO (at least publically) thinks it can use legal attacks against Linix; Telemarketers attempt to exploit old people; credit councillor companies prey on those in debt. Most (not all, but most) reasonable companies realize they are part of a chain of commerce. Think about how your company fits into that chain.
I believe evil employers are rare. Should you find yourself in bed with one, leave. Worse, should you be employed by one, leave quickly!
I must say, I'd be very hesitant to hire someone who tolerated, say, Enron or SCO's behavior. I've been the part of some creepy deals, and when they crossed the line, I stopped taking part. I've been involved with startups that wanted to "grow" though non-standard methods, and I have refused to take part. What "the line" is varies for various people, but one bright line is what gets reported in the news. On a personal basis, I've missed out on some things because I wouldn't be dishonest. And that's not only OK, but very important to me. Because that's important to me, someone who facillitated massive fraud would at the very least be subject to a good, hard look. At least until the EEOC comes down with the No White Collar Criminal Left Behind recomendation.
I suppose I can only say that if you find yourself at an ethically challenged company now, with constraints (family, debt, whatever) that don't give you much room, the single best thing you can do for yourself is to find a local company that can use your skills, think about how you can add value to their company, and go talk to them about your situation, and how you can help their situation. Odds are many will turn you down, but you will find a job with a company that doesn't fuck people over, and still be able to feed your family. And remember, for every company that turns you down, you're learning a lot by thinking seriously about the business they do.
New Words (Score:5, Funny)
Enroned (v. p. p.), To have one's rsum or reputation tarnished by a former (or current) employer.
USAGE: Man, I was totally Enroned the second it hit the news that my CTO was skimming the pot I've got no chance at a good job until this dies down a bit.
Interview Skills (Score:5, Insightful)
Especially someone technical who had nothing to do with the decision processes that led to the Enron/Worldcom/Tyco/SCO type insanity should put an accurate employment history on their resume and be prepared to bring an interview back to the correct subject: their ability to perform the job they are applying for. It would be a good idea to have answers for "questions" like: "Why did you stay there?", "Convince me that you had nothing to do with their accounting practices.", etc. These will be issues for some people so be ready for them.
Be prepared to address someone who keeps drifting back to the company and its policies directly with a "I had nothing to do with the upper management who did this stuff." This is also a good place to brown-nose a little and say that one of the things that attracted you to the company you're interviewing with is their good repuatation, etc. since this also puts your role at Enron or whoever into perspective to the person interviewing you. It should bring up for the interviewer how little control they have over such things.
Everything is an opportunity (Score:3, Insightful)
If you work for SCO (or some other scummy outfit) and feel that this will be a liability in the future THEN QUIT NOW! Don't wait any longer! The longer you stay the worse you look. Write a long resignation letter explaining why you feel you MUST RESIGN. If done tastefully that letter elevates you above [scummy company] and reinforces your image as a person of integrity. When you apply for new jobs and the topic of your past employer comes up you can demonstrate why you felt you needed to leave. A copy of that resignation letter will stand as your proclomation of values. Express in your letter the values you espouse and what you wish you could give as an employee (don't make it about what you want to GET. Prospective employers want to know what you can GIVE) and why [scummy company] isn't compatible with the contribution you wish to make. Offer to provide a copy to the interviewer if they wish to read it. That letter will have the effect of bearing testimony on your behalf. Think of it as a character whitness on paper.
Being able to demonstrate to a prospective employer that you were so uncomfortable with [scummy compay]'s practices that you had to leave voluntarily draws the line in the sand and demonstrates that you don't wish to be associated with [scummy company]. If you stay until the end it sends the message that you are more infuenced by greed than by principle, and that you were "one of them". That is a bad message to send to prospective employers. That's just my oppinion. (If you quit in protest and then can't find work don't blame me though).
The stigma of a previous job. (Score:5, Funny)
not a problem (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:I Was In Prison (Score:4, Funny)
ah yes. be careful about leaving that stint blank though (q: "what did you do for those two years?" a: "played cards. lifted weights") - i work for a company that's owned by americans and it was a bit awkward after a year of employment to confess that i wasn't allowed into the united states.
No real choice (Score:2)
Worse, assume he is hired. Later on somebody finds out that he worked at anderson but lied. Now he is fired for lieing on resume.
Now his is a 2 time loser with NO chance at a job.
Re:Stigma? Try Porn Star (Score:5, Insightful)
I can not believe that you would put your wife at risk this way.
On the medical side of things:
HIV viral loads are more sensitive for early HIV infection. They were swabbing your various orifices because those are typical areas for gonorrhea and chlamydia that can be passed around during various sexual practices.
Davak
Cry me a river! (Score:4, Funny)
-You were paid to have sex
-with women
-and you're posting, looking for sympathy
-on Slashdot?
Talk about trying to get blood from a stone!
Re:I have only one thing to say (Score:5, Funny)
Where the hell is that Post Anonymously button.
Re:Stigma? Try Porn Star (Score:3, Insightful)
I speak from experience.
He should go to a professional counselor and talk with them about coming clean with his wife. I wish him luck as it could mean the end o
Re:ONLY FUCKING HIPPY LINUX ZEALOTS WILL CARE (Score:3, Insightful)
You'll have to be more specific than that or you may end up confusing Mac zealots with Linux zealots... similar, but different
Your previous post - you liar. (Score:5, Informative)
Fsck'ing liar.
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=75388&cid=6
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=74902&ci
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It's time that this FUD campaign come to an end. I own a small business that deploys five Red Hat AS boxes. SCO has already sent my legal department (2 lawyers) three letters (threats) regarding our "illegal use of the Linux operating system [sic]".
Like most users of Linux, we are at the point where we are not going to stand still while SCO trashes the entire Free Software movement. I have already authorized a payment of $10,000 to the FSF, and a payment of $5,000 to the Red Hat Open Source Now fund. If you want to do all you can during this waiting period before the trial, I would urge you to sign this petition [petitiononline.com] that signifies the unity of the Free and Open source communities against SCO's outlandish claims.
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I work for a medium sized (137 employees) company that processes customer data for many retail outlets, as well as a multi-national bank. We were one of the first companies to drop our entire line of Windows servers (workstations unchanged) for a Red Hat Linux solution in the summer of 2000. Porting our internal applications was a real pain, but the significantly increased uptime and greater ease of administration made up for all initial shortcomings.
Fast forward to end of 2002, and we had become disgusted with Red Hat's road map for its' Advanced Server license. It seemed as though we had lost all of the benefits of the GPL.
There was no way we were going back to M$, but there was a movement from higher up top to change distributions. To make a long story short, we passed on SuSe and chose the often corporately overlooked Gentoo.
The benefits of this move are stunning. We have been able to hire 16 additional employees to handle our own fork of Portage, and 22 additional employees to provide support. Not only to we do a "ghost compile" for each box (many different Pentium and Athlon systems), we also take a minimalist approach. The combination of those two choices have enabled us to increase performance per box to something like 26% faster on average.
With the obvious help of the Gentoo open source community, we have created a low cost, self-sustained IT department that can function well into the next decade. Thanks Gentoo!
Re:"Worked at SCO" may not be a liability afterall (Score:4, Insightful)
If you claim after having said why not just say, "I see some code that is identical, but I know nothing of its true origins" since there are obviously many, many more examples of identical code in Linux, BSD, and SCOwhatever. Moreover, many others have been making the same conclusions bases on the same scant evidence.
Re:"Worked at SCO" may not be a liability afterall (Score:3, Insightful)
I suspect your post is nothing more tha
Re:I hate to admit it, but SCO people are marked.. (Score:3, Insightful)
I hate to remind people - but there are a lot of unemployed people who would love a paycheck from SCO *or* Enron...
How would, say - a Java developer, have any influence on anything the bigwigs at SCO or Enron did? If anything - they are being hurt the most and the most unfairly, if not exactly by their company - by people like you who will hold it against a regular joe something that is/was decided by people who o