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Portable CD-R/RW/MP3 Player? 94

Eldie asks: "My ancient (1995) portable CD player has finally rolled over and died. I'd like to replace it, and I'm not looking for something as grand (read: expensive) as an iPod. I'd like to have something a bit more useful than the baseline -- it should at least play CDs, CD-Rs, CD-RWs and MP3s. It would be great if there was some sort of useful hierarchical MP3 interface so that I didn't simply end up having to skip back and forth through 100 tracks, 1 track at a time. Is there anything out there that fits the bill?" This was touched on almost 3 years ago, where quite a few of you had useful recommendations. Three years is a long time, however, and it would be interesting to note if there are any better (or cheaper!) options out there. If you were to look for such a player, today, what would you buy?
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  • by moro_666 ( 414422 ) <kulminaator@gmai ... Nom minus author> on Friday February 13, 2004 @06:57AM (#8268042) Homepage
    are mostly on thinkgeek
    check the link

    [thinkgeek.com]
    http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/mp3/6356/


    seems like an handy device for me :)
    if i wasn't like 12000 miles away from america
    i would get this one for myself.
  • by FePe ( 720693 ) on Friday February 13, 2004 @07:09AM (#8268074)

    They are all Amazon "So you'd like to..." guides, but they are worth looking at, anyway.

  • Go with Memorex (Score:5, Informative)

    by Gothic_Walrus ( 692125 ) on Friday February 13, 2004 @07:14AM (#8268082) Journal
    Everyone in my family owns their own Memorex CD player, and they all work perfectly. Hell, I dropped mine on my floor a few weeks back and the top half of the player fell off. It was put back together, and it works just like it did before it broke.

    Beyond the fact that they're durable, they're relatively cheap. Most of the Target stores in my area have portable Memorex players for around $40-$50, with the slightly more expensive ones including a backlit screen and a digital radio tuner. I'm not sure how much they run in other stores or online; you'll have to do a bit of research to check.

    And lest I forget...they work. Very well. They have no problems with reading CDRs or playing MP3s, though I'm not sure how they handle CDR/Ws.

    Hope I've helped.

  • by real_smiff ( 611054 ) on Friday February 13, 2004 @07:23AM (#8268106)
    I bought (was given actually :) a Philips expanium 303 at the end of 2002. It cost 50GBP (that's like um amost 100 dollars at the current exchange) and has been used for hours every day with hardly a skip or song that won't play. high bitrate vbr? no problem. running (as in jogging)? no problem? price? no problem, i think. So it's out of warranty now and i'm hoping it keeps on going. The signal-noise ratio is outstanding btw, this matters to me.

    The problem? Philips seem to have replaced all Expania (at least in the UK) with the Exp521. This (or the one i received) is so bad i sent it back - the disc hit the inside of the player when you shake it, the skip protection (advertised as being much longer) doesn't work if you move, half the time the buttons don't respond... i could go on. yuck. So if you can find an older model 2xx or 3xx series Expanium they're great (avoid the earliest 1xx square ones for battery life and not being able to seek in tracks.. like the 521!). It also came with all kinds of accessories, depending which pack your buy. Only the headphones needed upgrading, as per most models.

    btw the Philips way of doing things is to have an extra pair of buttons to skip back and forward through folders. So you put one album per folder. It works great. I'm not sure what other makes do yet.

    I've now got my eye on the new iRiver IMP-700 (75GBP) which has.. wooh just come into stock on Amazon uk! (and probably just gone out again now ;) Because i do fancy that track display that i was going for with the Exp521.

    Anyway that's just my 2p.

  • Sony Walkman (Score:5, Informative)

    by mlafranc ( 315895 ) on Friday February 13, 2004 @07:32AM (#8268128) Homepage
    I have a Sony CD Walkman D-NE510 here in my hand, it works well, plop your mp3s on a cd in a folder all to themselves, stick it in, and close the lid.

    Some notes: It will play on a pair of NiCD AA batteries seemingly forever, the advertised battery life is 18hrs playing MP3s, so I guess thats good enough.

    Problems:
    1. I've noticed skipping when playing VBR mp3s on batteries... I think the player is VBR agnostic, so it runs out of frames to play and haves to spin up the disc out of powersave to get more the track, if this bothers you, don't do VBR or something I guess.

    2. Like I said, battery life is awesome, but not in -30 something degrees weather, like we had here a few weeks back, I had to do the public transportation thing, and it dropped out a few times, I had to press stop, play, stop, open the lid, close the lid, whatever to get it to work, and this meant taking off my gloves, which sucks because it's freaking cold!

    Also, I must be spoilded, because I want a backlight! How can I see what track I've selected when I live in eternal darkness heh.

    Good stuff:

    The battery life, like I said, and those batteries are two AA's, not something wierd like a lithium ion sealed inside the case or 3 AAA's burining a hole in my wallet, because I only have AA rechargables, and throw away batteries cost less to buy, but more to use.

    Damn near impossible to make it skip, you can shake it, drop it, whatever, of course I've been gentle to it, but it's nice.

    Quick tip:

    Name your files like this:

    AlbumFolder/01Title of Song.mp3

    It'l show up as 01Title or 02ABCDE, you get 7 characters in folder display, so if they all look like "08 U2 -" then that would kind of suck. It shows scroling tag info, Title, Album, Artist, Track #, Bitrate, Time played, press the display button to rotate through them.

    Good lick picking your player, I really do like this player, two flaws ain't half bad.

    The ATRAC support may also be a flaw, since I don't give a damn about SONY's propritary crap, but it isn't a flaw, because you don't have to use it, MP3s work just fine.

    I recharge the batteries about once every two or three weeks, not bad.

    When I'm not lazy, I plug it in to an ac adapter, it didn't come with one, but It's 4.5 Volts, and you can get the correct head to stick on one of those multi voltage A/C adapters from rat shack.
  • P.S. (Score:2, Informative)

    by mlafranc ( 315895 ) on Friday February 13, 2004 @08:01AM (#8268204) Homepage
    Did I mention it does multi-session like a charm, that way all my scuffed up old 4x cdrw dics can stay on the shelf, I can burn a CDR up to 200 MB and go back to it later to fill the rest up.

    Best feature, The Jog-Dial, I love that nobby thing, I dont know if other players have it, I'd figure they would, but it makes selecting an album or track so simple any idiot could ask me to do it for them.
  • by deja206 ( 711205 ) * on Friday February 13, 2004 @08:16AM (#8268235) Homepage
    I think the last one looks pretty geeky!
  • iRiver (Score:3, Informative)

    by Danious ( 202113 ) on Friday February 13, 2004 @08:52AM (#8268354) Homepage
    Simply the best out there, I love mine:

    iRiver [iriver.com]

    CD-R/RW/MP3/Ogg/WMA/FM tuner/Flash upgrades/etc....
  • Do not buy a MP3/CD-R/CDRW player by Emerson. I bought one about five months ago, and it was one of the worst purchases I ever made. First and foremost, it didn't always (actually, seldomly) would play my home-brewn CDs. Also, it claimed support for ID3 tag reading (for mp3s, that is) but it would only display the tag if you had skipped from the previous song to that song.(although, even when it did, it scrolled very slowly) Another really annoying thing was that it claimed CD-RW compatibility, but it would only play CD-RWs on every other burn, (which is a real pain when you're burning at 4x speed) Seriously, they do not manufacture a good portable CD player.
  • Yepp (Score:3, Informative)

    by Ripp ( 17047 ) on Friday February 13, 2004 @09:06AM (#8268404) Journal
    Back in September I got a Samsung Yepp, and I have to say that I like it. It plays just about any bitrate (incl. vcr) mp3 I've thrown at it. The interface is pretty sparse, but if you organize your files on the CD right it's not bad. It treats directories as albums, basically, so you can just go to the 'album' you want simply enough. Battery life is better than I expected and it hasn't just up-and-died on me yet...
  • by KDan ( 90353 ) on Friday February 13, 2004 @09:20AM (#8268475) Homepage
    Ditto on the iRiver. I have one. It rocks. I has a quality interface, very fine display on the remote, good battery life, a battery expansion pack that attaches through a cable (so it doesn't turn your mp3 cd player into some sort of huge contraption), and the one I got is the slimline one (I think it was 400 rather than 550).

    I had 2 other mp3 cd players before, the thomson lyra and the napa davsomethingorother, and both of those were pretty crap. iRiver is excellent.

    Daniel
  • Re:Sony Walkman (Score:3, Informative)

    by mlafranc ( 315895 ) on Friday February 13, 2004 @09:20AM (#8268476) Homepage
    No, it's a CD player, not a mididisc set up, I tossed out their burining software, nero on windows or cdrecord on {*BSD,*IX} will do the trick.

    It does MP3, but they try to trick you into ripping to ATRAC so they can lock you in, typical behavior for a record company.

    If I was new to computers, (Think: MY DAD), I'd use ATRAC and their stupid burning software, which I can ignore, but I don't like that they do it, I'd rather get a CDDA/MP3 Player that does just that, but everyone thinks WMA would be nice or once apon a time even Real of all things.

    Most of all I don't like the idea of paying for that kind of usless junk, but I won this player in a hospital fundraiser lottery, so yay! If it was on my own dime, I'd think twice... I think it's probably inevitable, some other brand will be simillarly bundled with WMA sotware or whatever.

    It used to be that you got what you paid for and paid for what you got.

    In a perfect world, you would get a player that does CDDA, FLAC, APE, MusePack, MP3, Ogg and nothing else.
  • by dealsites ( 746817 ) on Friday February 13, 2004 @09:52AM (#8268652) Homepage
    The best place to find information and hot deals is www.dealsites.net [dealsites.net]. Deals from all the popular deal sites are pulled together for easy browsing and searching. I've seen tons of hot deals on mp3 players come around lately.
  • iRiver iMP-550 (Score:2, Informative)

    by Z-MaxX ( 712880 ) on Friday February 13, 2004 @10:24AM (#8268877) Journal
    The iRiver SlimX iMP-550 is a fantastic player. I just got one a few months ago because my little 256MB flash-based player just didn't hold enough music for a long day of studying, working out a the gym, etc. The SlimX has a great interface, it really is extremely slim (surprise), and has upgradable firmware which means that it will support Ogg Vorbis Real Soon Now(tm) [iriver.com]. It also looks sexy in its slim, cold metal body. (No plastic here!!)
  • Re:Lame (Score:2, Informative)

    by pqdave ( 470411 ) on Friday February 13, 2004 @10:58AM (#8269176)
    Do you buy software based solely on what the box claims? I've bought a bunch of CD/MP3 players for myself and family. Several Phillips players have worked well, lasted a long time and done what they claimed. Koss and RCA were inexpensive, made the same claims on the box as the Phillips players. I strongly recommend the Phillips over the others I've tried. Also bought a Sony Net MD player. Technically it does what the box claims (if you read carefully), and it's decent once you get the music recorded on the minidisk, but the method of getting the music on disk is so convoluted and buggy that the player is too much trouble to use.
  • Re:Go with Memorex (Score:2, Informative)

    by teebo ( 43281 ) on Friday February 13, 2004 @12:44PM (#8270388)
    Right when MP3 cd players came out, I got the cheapest one I could find, a $100 Memorex. It had a serious skipping problem, and when it decoded the music it would play high-pitched artifacts constantly.

    This of course is only anecdotal observation - I gave the horrid thing away eventually. Perhaps they have improved.
  • by Paul d'Aoust ( 679461 ) on Friday February 13, 2004 @06:20PM (#8274773)

    I second the Sony/Panasonic recommendation. Most of them seem pretty durable and well-made. I work at a RadioShack, and we're sticking pretty much exclusively to these two brands -- we're pretty disenchanted with no-names like Koss. (Yes, they're now a no-name brand in my opinion, just like the once-elite Jensen.)

    The Sony players cost a bit more; from what I can see, you're only paying extra for the ATRAC3 compatibility and the little SONY logo. ATRAC3 is Sony's proprietary compression, and from what I've heard, it doesn't sound as good even as MP3.

    Panasonic's newest players seem a little -- plasticky. But I don't think a single one has been returned by a customer, so maybe they're more durable than I think. Not all of them have ID3 support, however; displaying only the folder and track numbers. The SL-MP70, however, has a funky curved alphanumeric display for only ten dollars more than the others.

    The best thing about these brands though, besides their quality, is that you can stick a set of AA alkalines in them and play music for over forty hours. My dad bought a non-MP3 Sony recently, and the same batteries lasted him through a summer of daily use. Apparently the MP3 versions are even better.

    No prices, sorry; I'm in Canada and I know they sell them for much less in the US (even considering the exchange rate).

  • by hotkoolaid ( 454688 ) on Saturday February 14, 2004 @12:07AM (#8277203) Homepage
    Amazon has the Archos 20GB Recorder for $130 after a 50 rebate. They have both version 1 and 2 as well as many other Archos players. Get it at www.amazon.com [amazon.com]
    Archos products have been known to be somewhat less reliable than the high-end stuff like iPod, but for this price you can't go wrong.
    To make this player/recorder even better, simply drag-n-drop files, umount/eject and play. There is no rearranging of your music... it's there just as you placed it on the drive. Not sure about this unit, but batteries are easily changed in version 1 (which I own).

    Go get one today... then load the Rockbox [rockbox.haxx.se] firmware and keep on rockin. In version 2 you can even flash-upgrade the flashrom for a 4sec bootup.

    btw... I posted a review on Amazon just this week and bought the rebated unit for my neighbor to use on his bike.

    Yea, this sounds like an ad... but it's not. I just want to make sure people know what kind of bs they are getting from the major 'players' out there. Make sure you check the music management issues when you do your research. Any player I will buy must be Linux compatible.

    Cheers! nomasteryoda
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