Building Social Skills in Gifted Youths? 1319
UNOStudent asks: "I'm currently a Biotech undergrad at the University of Nebraska-Omaha and have spent the past several semesters mentoring gifted youngsters and have been presented with a challenge this semester. My student is unbelievably smart, however has very limited social skills, is unable to cooperate with peers, doesn't understand why they make fun of his uncombed hair, etc. Since many of us may have grown up in a similar circumstance, I'm looking for suggestions from my fellow geeks on ideas for how to challenge him mentally, while building essential social skills." How would you build social skills in someone more concerned with math, science and computers?
Surely You're Joking (Score:5, Informative)
He comes across as an arrogant bastard, but I sure did enjoy the chapter about the intellectual challenge presented by learning how to pick up chicks.
N.b.: Feynman's technique was probably valid in the 50s, and is definitely not useful now. The valuable part is getting this kid to treat "learning social skills" as an intellectual exercise.
I.e., what makes these stupid apes TICK?
Re:One word - Karate (Score:5, Informative)
Outdoors Groups (Score:3, Informative)
Nature offers some fun science and a chance to develop other areas of interest. Being a part of a camping group is a good way to learn to interact, because everyone has a responsibility (get water, collect wood, etc.) and kids learn their individual responsibilities contribute to the groups well-being. Good adult guidance is a must.
Worked great for the English as a Second Language class that joined my high school outings. And most of them came to the midwest from much warmer climes.
Re:One word - Karate (Score:4, Informative)
Beyond research showing that exercise alters the function of the brain in a beneficial manner, just simple biology will tell you that increased cardiovascular activity leads to increased oxygen capacity in the blood, which can carry more of that precious O2 into your greymatta and increase mental function.
The ancient Greeks had a point in training minds and bodies.
Teach Social Skills (Score:3, Informative)
The right word : Asperger Syndrome (Score:5, Informative)
By Barbara L. Kirby
Founder of the OASIS Web site (www.aspergersyndrome.org)
Co-author of THE OASIS GUIDE TO ASPERGER SYNDROME (Crown, 2001)
Re:Reerooow! Reeerooow! (Score:1, Informative)
Re:One word - Karate (Score:5, Informative)
Aikido isn't a "get in your face" type of martial art, it's more of a "take your opponent down as fast as possible with adding as little of your own energy as possible" kind of art. EVERYTHING is taught by example and partner/group work.
Very cool stuff. Here [aikidofaq.com] for more information
Re:Surely You're Joking (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Teach him about Asperger's Syndrome (Score:3, Informative)
Re:3 tips that would have made my life a lot easie (Score:3, Informative)
Isolating children from peers and reality is not a good way to impart social skills. Communicating to them from a young age that they're special and better than other people is a negative towards producing functional adults.
My wife had very large breasts in high school. Wasn't her fault, it was those damn hormones. She had the biggest boobs in school.
High school boys would routinely try and make "3 pointers" down her blouse at school. It got to the point where she begged her mother to let her enroll in an all girls private catholic school.
At the all girls school, nobody kicked anyones ass, unless they wanted suspension. Everyone wore uniforms so there were no "fashion cliques", no "Jocks", no "nerds" Everyone was study focused and oriented, balanced with studies on religion and philosophy.
After that she never had any problems again. Before I met her I always thought it was bad to send kids to private schools, being that I went to all public myself. After hearing her experience though, I would have to agree with her. I wouldn't hesitate to isolate my daughter from a "problem" group
They don't want it enough (Score:2, Informative)
I will point you to a well-reasoned essay by Paul Graham entitled Why Nerds Are Unpopular [paulgraham.com].
Re:Not much you can do for him... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:you must be new here.... (Score:3, Informative)
Asperger's Syndrome (Score:2, Informative)
I've always been too smart academically and awful socially. Recently I was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome (I'm 21 and I was diagnosed 2 years ago.) This essentially means that I struggle to develop an effective theory of mind and lack a certain amount of human empathy. One strategy that has really helped me is to try to understand, to make myself understand, that people are just like me, with thoughts and feelings all the time. I know that this sounds silly and childish, but it works. Actually, the biggest help was "social stories" (and an understanding girlfriend who just happened to write her thesis on Asperger's.) One of the best things that you can do for anyone who is really that socially maladapted is to suggest that he get tested for Asperger's. With the correct diagnosis, assuming that there is a medical reason for his social difficulties, new strategies will open up to him and there will be more resources to seek out.
Re:Role-playing games. (Score:3, Informative)
I got into D&D early on in high school, at a time when I felt like I had very few people to hang out with. It helped me meet new people and, yes, develop social skills. It also showed me that there were a lot more nerds out there than I originally thought. A lot of us spend a long time thinking that we're the nerdiest person around until we meet other people who we can relate to. Just understanding that there are other people out there who share your interests is a confidence boost.
Oh, and I'm 25 and going to be married next May... and out of the people I play D&D with, half are happily married, and none are virgins.
An alternative (Score:2, Informative)
The higher rank kids, regardless of age help the lower rank kids, and it's a good way to earn scholarships if you're home schooled or can't currently earn one in your sittuation.
You do all sorts of neat stuff, important emergency response missions, and recreational things.
Come this April, I'm gonna get to fly in a Jet Re-fueler and watch them re-fuel planes in mid-air. If I remember right, it's a KC-135.
Re:One word - Karate (Score:5, Informative)
Use a bit of caution when choosing a dojo however, many of the schools have (unfortunately) become overly commercial - as long as you show up and pay your fees, you can expect to advance "on schedule" - I've seen kids (and adults) with black belts who show none of the maturity and skills that should be present at that level. Others have become clubs for people who seem to think that everything you need to know can be learned from watching Jet Li movies, when this is a weapons class, it's a Darwin Award waiting to happen.
That said, there are many very good schools out there. Visit them, talk with the Sensei and sit through a couple of classes before signing up.
A couple web sites to check out as a place to start:
http://www.askf.org/
http://www.geocitie
Re:Another word : Ausbergers (Score:3, Informative)
You are the one who needs to change (Score:2, Informative)
You want to get this kid out of his shell? Try accepting him for who he is. He is in his shell because he is scared, and not even the grownup (you) in the situation accepts him.
You have even gone on slashdot to ask us geeks how to make a person change. What if this kid finds out you have done this? I would dare say that of all of the people in this situation that are not accepting this kid for who he is, you are on the top of the list.
I think you should instead work on learning how to accept this person, and give him the space to grow up at his own pace. He will naturally find a sport/activity he likes sooner or later.
The best favor you can do this kid is to try to remember your own childhood. Did you get teased for not combing your hair? Do you have unresolved pain from a painful "not fitting in" situation way back when?
If you don't do this, then these situations will keep popping up. This is because something deep inside you will cause them to repeat themselves in the people around you. This will continue until you no longer need them for your personal development.
Once again, you are responsible for the social environment. If YOU cast this kid in a negative light in your own mind, then the other kids are going to do the actual dirty work of letting this kid know that he isn't accepted by you.
Re:Yet Another Word: Autism (Score:3, Informative)
That said, mild cases of Autism (when caught early and properly medicated) not crippling, in fact I know a young boy that has been diagnosed with mild autism (and is being treated and medicated) that is going to dominate every scientific / tech based competition he ever enters. Done just right, to a point, it is actually an advantage in our world - how many 8 year old children do you know that can grasp the concepts to both the bubble sort and the insertion sort after having it described to him verbally one time? Then go program a perfunctory example in visual basic
Re:Yet Another Word: Autism (Score:3, Informative)
That said, you are right in that he may never be able to run a household by himself, but he is going to be a bad ass programmer one of these days.
McDojos (Score:3, Informative)
90% of TKD schools are McDojos (bullshido.com) [bullshido.com], so my advice to anyone who thinks of learning TKD: MAKE SURE YOU DO NOT GET HOSED. There are some really crappy schools out there. Make sure you learn self defense, not how to dance. Click the link to find some good advice. And yes, I speak from personal experience. Thank god for Jeet Kune Do.
Re:One word - Karate (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Cross Country (Score:4, Informative)
It is best at first if it is an EVERYONE PLAYS team so the kid also gets a chance to learn the sport as well.
OH YEAH, don't forget the great non-athletic team/social groups. Such as Cub Scouts, Boy Scouts, Brownines, and Girl Scouts. Not only do they teach interpersonal skills, but they also try to build integrity and values in young ones.
Try Gate (Score:1, Informative)
Repeat after me... (Score:3, Informative)
"Losing you mind" is going insane. "Loosing you mind" is pulling you brain out of your skull through your nose with a large rusty hook.
Where did this bizarre confusion come from anyway? I'm sure that these words were not confused with such regularity a year ago.
Being a computer Geek and much much more (Score:2, Informative)
Re:while modded funny this is actually accurate (Score:3, Informative)
Here's a thought: the people who can't understand him, and don't care enough about him to try, aren't his peers!
Peer doesn't mean ``same age'', peer means ``one's equals''. The people he's having troubles with (if he's as bright as everyone here seems to be assuming) aren't his equals, and he shouldn't be socializing with them. He should be socializing with intelligent, mature adults. By spending time with them, he'll learn, by example, to be an intelligent, mature adult.
The kid in question also needs to learn to interact with his mental inferiors (I'm assuming that the description you were following is correct) without discomforting them. He shouldn't be trying to learn to be a stupid, immature jerk, so he can fit in with the kids his own age.