Looking to Move from EV1? 93
IgD asks: "Our small company has been a customer of EV1 for well over a year. We have a single dedicated server (a Red Hat box) and pay about $150/month. We get about 400 gigabytes per month for our bandwidth limit. Up until the SCO fiasco, we had been generally pleased with EV1. For obvious reasons we decided to move on. We didn't make the decision lightly. Migrating our server is going to result in a terrible inconvenience. The subject of EV1 and SCO has been covered in multiple articles here on Slashdot. Many have discussed moving to other providers such as ServerMatrix.com and ServerBeach.com. Dear Slashdot, where should we take our business?"
Re:Slashvertisment (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Slashvertisment (Score:2, Funny)
Or maybe my tinfoil hat's just coming loose.
Typical Reply (Score:4, Insightful)
If you dislike what EV1 did, then castigate them as a paying customer. Honestly a boycott of their hosting services sounds rather brash, especially with all the nightmares I have heard from people who screw it up. Ev1 to their credit had a long list of SATISFIED customers, who are now "reluctantly deciding" to leave. It wouldn't be a choice in my eyes, I hate SCO but they already got their money.
Re:Typical Reply (Score:1)
I'll voice my disappointment at their actions, but I'm not going to cut off my nose to spite my face.
And this sends what message? (Score:5, Insightful)
Underling: "Oh yeah we got a lot of complaints about our decision to do X"
CEO: "Are they leaving? Refusing to pay? Looking at alternatives?"
Underling: "No"
CEO: "Then stop wasting my time".
Voting with your wallet. You are voting in favor. I can't really see any differently. Sending emails to them is like saying you hate bush but still vote for him. Your opinion don't count. Granted neither does mine as I am not a customer at all :)
Re:Typical Reply (Score:5, Insightful)
BTW, when you voiced your disappointment, what was EV1's reply?
Re:Typical Reply (Score:1)
Lending credence to these hustlers is not a trivial issue if you feel strongly about it, as I gather most of the Slashdot crowd does.
Re:Typical Reply (Score:4, Insightful)
If your servers/services are easy to migrate around, as they probably ought to be for any size company large or small, the expense of moving it could be very easy to make a decision like this.
How about this one: If you are a company that has a website hosted on an EV1 machine (covered by EV1's license from SCO) but also has a local server (or two or ten) at your office that runs Linux (not covered by any SCO license), you'd have to think really hard about staying with EV1. If you do, you are supporting the claim that SCO is correct and exposing your own company to to litigation. If you really believe this, you might ought to pay the huge fees to license your own servers! Remember, that any time a company gives into SCO's licensing demands, it creates more ammunition for SCO to use in court. If you stick with EV1 and silently support SCO, but rely on Linux/OSS on the side, you are simply setting yourself up for a world of hurt if SCO wins the case.
Re:Typical Reply (Score:2)
Hmm. I bet most.
Re:Typical Reply (Score:2)
Re:Typical Reply (Score:2)
I've never used them, though how many know they're rackshack anyways..? and that they host dozens of lil guys selling out service?
Re:Typical Reply (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Typical Reply (Score:3, Insightful)
So, if they think they should fund harassing GNU/Linux users, should they do that with your money?
Re:Typical Reply (Score:2)
Re:Typical Reply (Score:1)
But being stupid, or, even worse, consciously using money to prevent people doing good things, is evil. I don't found e
Re:Not a smart business decision (Score:2)
And no, choosing the vendor who offers best service at lowest price
EV1 Could Have Avoided This, and Chose Not To (Score:2)
EV1
Re:EV1 Could Have Avoided This, and Chose Not To (Score:2)
Or, since financial information is somewhat out there, they could make a larger donation to a group fighting SCO. However, I still have not seen any evidence of that happening...at least that would somewhat clear their name...
Sago Networks (Score:3, Informative)
750GB transfer a month 1.8ghz Celeron just $99/month, no set up fee. I've been using them for a few months now, no problems.
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Re:Sago Networks (Score:2)
It's Gigabytes. Nobody quotes total bandwidth in gigabits unless they're talking about per second speeds. Now, whether it's GiB or GB is another story. ;-)
how about any host that donates space to oss? (Score:5, Insightful)
Good advice! (Score:1)
I'm currently buying shared hosting from an EV1 reseller. My contract isn't up for a couple of months but I'm ready to go as soon as I find a new home.
Re:how about any host that donates space to oss? (Score:2, Interesting)
Sometimes your own ISP is an option (Score:3, Informative)
Granted, that (shill) Speakeasy (/shill) offers it....
Re:EV1? (Score:1, Offtopic)
Would love to run my own Webserver (Score:3, Interesting)
The trouble is, the villanous but typical corporate curmudgeon Comcast is my ISP. They have in their rules that I'm not to run a webserver from my home. This is so they can provide max bandwidth to residential customers and charge a flat fee.
I understand this (though I don't like it), but I am beholden to them because they are the only viable option. Yah, there are others but they're more expensive than $45/month for 1.5 mbps.
It seems like the only thing stopping you from running your own webserver is the ISP, since the hardware could run from a rack in your basement.
What I'm wondering is, is there another option? How much does Comcast charge, or any other DSL provider charge, for a 'business' connection that allows for running a webserver, not just surfing the web?
It really is a rip-off here, and I'm wondering if there's enough competition yet to allow for the minimization of these charges? The last time I checked about 2 years ago, Ameritech wanted $2000/month for a T1 to my residence, plus installation charges. That's kind of high (especially vs. $45/month for the same technical bandwidth, never mind sharing with neighbors). I'm 'just browsing', which uses lots less than T1 on average, a random company or personal webserver might use only half a T1 on average, but would like the reduced time-to-render of T1 versus dialup speed...
-- Kevin J. Rice
Re:Would love to run my own Webserver (Score:2)
Re:Would love to run my own Webserver (Score:2)
This isn't a Catch-22. It's Comcast's making a prohibition and your breaking your word. You signed a contract where they said "Don't do this unless we provide another way." In your market, they don't provide another way. So it's quite simple: Use VPN, and you're breaking your ToS. Comcast is being the good guy by not blocking your VPN connections outright and turning a blind eye to your blatant violation.
Re:Would love to run my own Webserver (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Would love to run my own Webserver (Score:2)
Two things wrong with this:
$2000 for a T1 is extortion, and it's unnecessary (Score:3, Insightful)
Your local telco should be able to provide you with a T1 for roughly $600-700 per month, although it is not uncommon to see them priced at $1,000-1,500. Resellers can sometimes drop below that. Of course, your initial cost for equipment will probably run your first month into the thousands, so a T1 might not be the best option.
I have several clients who own and operate their own web servers using nothing more complicated than an SDSL line, a router, and a dedicated Mac or PC. (DO NOT plan on using your
Re:Would love to run my own Webserver (Score:1)
Re:Would love to run my own Webserver (Score:1)
Re:Would love to run my own Webserver (Score:2)
I get 1.5/786 from Speakeasy.net for $69/mo, with no crap. Nice folks, can't say anything wrong about them. It's a consumer grade connection with consumer grade quality of service, but I can do whatever the heck I want (excepting being a script kiddie, of course) and not have
Re:Would love to run my own Webserver (Score:1)
Until you get RoadRunner Business Class. I've called them at 3 am EST and got the local support team. Since they have stopped giving me garbage Cisco routers (Cisco makes the worst crap ever, but that's another story), I haven't had a loss of connection in 3 months now.
I don't know how the other cable providers fare, as I've never lived in another providers area. I've n
Re:Would love to run my own Webserver (Score:2)
The way I see it is that I hate both Ma Bell and the Cable companies, but Ma Bell has a network that, excepting the random natural disaster, just plain works because for the past 50 years, a person who can't call 911 when they need to is generally on their way to picking up their halo and etherial w
Re:Would love to run my own Webserver (Score:2)
Re:Would love to run my own Webserver (Score:2)
Re:Would love to run my own Webserver (Score:2)
The only issue I ever had with my webserver under comcast was when Code Red went around, they had port 80 to ALL customers disabled for a couple weeks. After two weeks, it hadn't let up, I called up customer service and said "hey my port 80 is still blocked." they said "oops, sorry about that." and fixed it.
Last time I glanced at AUPs, there was nothing stating that you couldn't run services, so long as you did not run services for COMMERCIAL PURPOSE
gah (Score:2)
Try out Hostforweb.com for your business (Score:2, Informative)
Plus, I work there as Head Tech and we have excellent crew there. Come on over.
BTW...Don't DoS us.
Re:Try out Hostforweb.com for your business (Score:2, Insightful)
ColoGuys (Score:1)
ServerMatrix.com (Score:3, Informative)
They are very quick to respond to trouble tickets and their staff seems quite friendly. They even offer cross connects if you rent more than one server, which is something I don't believe EV1 ever did. We looked at ServerBeach, but they seem much more expensive and their support policy was a turn off.
I'm glad to see so many others are leaving EV1. To some it seems hasty, but at the end of the day it's just a matter of principle.
ServerMatrix and others... (Score:2, Informative)
Server4You (Score:1)
BUT Setup took weeks, maybe a month. They simply had way more orders than they could handle @ $49/month. Setup is $149.
Drop me an e-mail if I can answer more questions, going to a new host is always scary. If someone has found a bett
Moving from Server Beach to Server Matrix (Score:2, Informative)
I'm currently with serverbeach (have been basically since they started), they provide a good product, though one thing that I don't like is their inflexibility, if you need additional resources you can't get it.
As I will be needing this flexibility I will be moving to Server Matrix.
I had been looking at EV1 though clearly their decision lost me as a customer.
boycott? there are better reasons to avoid ev1 (Score:2)
have ev1 customers ended up entering a contract with sco? has ev1's license purchase actually made their customers more likely to be sued?
if i was an ev1 customer i would get my contract details from ev1 and i'd consult my attorney. in addition i'd request *written* clarification from ev1 on my *specific* contract to descri
Huh? (Score:2)
There are reasons why one might not want to support EV1 now that they've bought licenses from SCO, but they do NOT include "EV1 clients are now more likely to be sued".
SCO is trying to encourage as many large Linux-using companies as possible to purchase licenses. Do you think sueing the companies like EV1, who get suckered into paying up, will help this cause? No, n
Don't do it. (Score:2)
After all this has blown over and you're stuck on a lower spec host, you'll be wishing you could have just stuck it out for a while.
More seriously, the two times I've changed web hosts have been the cause of more problems for me than anything else I've ever done online. I've had to fight all the way to get domains transferred properly from one company to another. and I've still got one that is in limbo that I'll probably never b
Might be worthwhile (Score:2)
I'm so confused (Score:2)
1and1.com (Score:1)
I just opened up an account with 1and1.com. I have their Root Server II [1and1.com] package, which, for a $99 setup fee and $69 a month, I get:
Response times are excellent, and their 24/7 tech support has been quite helpful and always very friendly.
They have several dedicated packages [1and1.com], both managed and unmanaged.
If you do decide to go with them, consider using my referal link [1and1.com].
Re:1and1.com (Score:2)
IIC Internet (Score:2)
I have recently decided to go back to a colo I have used in the past and couldn't be happier. Was hosting it internally but costs for the internet connection started getting higher than I was willing to pay.
IIC Internet [iicinternet.com] is the hosting company I currently use for dedicated servers. Since I have been doing business with them I couldn't be happier.
I looked around and these guys are the best I have found. After reading through the fine
Blame the rape victim (Score:1, Flamebait)
If I happened to use your Redhat server for something important to me, then I'd be mighty pissed if you moved providers for no real good reason.
Re:Blame the rape victim (Score:4, Insightful)
Principals and integrity may not mean much to many big companies, but often small businesses succeed by steering clear of companies without any 'humanity'.
Supporting (even indirectly) a lawsuit against a gift economy that supports education and economic development (especially in poor countries) is in my judgement, inhuman.
Are you buying from an ev1 reseller? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Are you buying from an ev1 reseller? (Score:1)
No need to use a webbrowser for such a simple query.
Re:Are you buying from an ev1 reseller? (Score:1)
Re:Go to THEPLANET.com - resonably close to EV1 ! (Score:2)
Plus they are genuinely Slashdot certified - HardOCP lives there.
I don't have a specific suggestion for a host, but (Score:1)
First, check out the suggestions by others, see if the allowed bandwidth-quotas are okay, what kind of platform they are running on, try to find out how many others are hosted at the same servers, what kind of software you may run on the server, and so forth. This is obvious stuff.
Then, and this is important in my opinion, c
Good advice.. (Score:2)
Whatever you do, check them with drbcheck [moensted.dk], to see if they are on a blacklist -- a lot of these places are notorious for hosting spammers and you wouldn't to blow a huge chunk of cash only to find that you can't get an e-mail out to most of the rest of the world..
ServerMatrix works for me (Score:2)
As for their offerings, my biggest complaint is that there's no reasonable way to add more bandwidth to a server. For a 69$/mth serv
Take a Look at 1 and 1 (Score:1)
http://www.1and1.com