Corporate Work in the US vs. Canada? 1309
No One You Know asks: "I've been working as a sysadmin for an insurance company in the US for the past six years, and have decided to move to Canada. I've had it with corporate America, but I'm trying to keep an open mind while job hunting. How does Canadian corporate life compare to that of the US?"
Two Words... (Score:5, Insightful)
Very similar to some degree (Score:3, Insightful)
Leaving the country is a bit over the top (Score:5, Insightful)
If you are unhappy with corporate life in the US, get out of corporate life, not the US. Insurance is one of those industries dominated very large companies. Lots of rules, regulations and PHB. Go find a (stable, profitable, non-high tech) company with 80 - 200 employees. It is a whole 'nother world working for a small to midsized company.
Same Shit, Different Pile (Score:1, Insightful)
YMMV
Grass Is Greener (Score:5, Insightful)
French areas (Score:5, Insightful)
First few weeks are difficult, but people have a lot of patience if you are seriously interested in learning thier language.
In a few years you will find that you have not only become bi-ligual, but bi-cultural, you will be able to switch between different ways of thinking, frankly it really broadens then mind.
Then, who knows, next stop Europe! If nothing else it is a great thing on your CV!
As a Canadian... (Score:5, Insightful)
In exchange it costs slightly less to live and hostpitals won't turn you away.
Re:Let me tell you how it differs. (Score:2, Insightful)
You sure you aren't just working for the wrong people? Lots of places throw a x-mas party, and there's even alcohol on occasion.
My current employers throw parties whenever they can, and the boss is usually the most drunk. 'Sgot nuthin; to do with the country. Though there are other reasons Canadia appeals to me...
One nice thing about working in Canada... (Score:5, Insightful)
Substantially Similar (Score:3, Insightful)
Canadian born and educated
moved to the US 10 years ago after finishing my PhD
worked in the US and Canada as a developer/intern, and in the US as a professor and executive
Bias: as a child, I was always an American-wanna-be My opinion: Canada and the US are very similar: It is wisely said that Canadians are polite, unarmed Americans, with health care. However, there are interesting differences:
- Canadians are more "conservative", in the small-c sense of danger-aversion. Canadians by and large will accept an average lower standard of living in exchange for a lower risk of catastrophe. This shows up in substantially lower wages for technical staff, but with a substantially higher standard of living for those supported by the social safety net.
- There is much less entreprenure-ship in Canada. Go to Canada if you like large companies, because there are a lot fewer start-ups.
- Republican bullshit not withstanding, the Canadian single-payer health care system works better than anything I have ever seen in the US.
- Canadians are generally more reasonable and less excitable than Americans. Conversely, Canadians are a lot less exciting than Americans. A Canadian radio station once ran a contest to pick a saying analogous to "As American as apple pie." The winner was "As Canadian as possible, under the circumstances."
A lot of Canadians have a very poor opinion of the quality of life in the US. I submit that this is because a substantial plurality of Canadians actually live in Southern Ontario, between Buffalo and Detroit. If all you ever heard of the US was that North Tonowanda was burning again, what would you think?Crispin
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Crispin Cowan, Ph.D.
CTO, Immunix Inc. [immunix.com]
Re:Let me tell you how it differs. (Score:5, Insightful)
Anyway, these two fellows from very different social backgrounds, one essentially being the boss' boss of the other, seemed to feel pretty comfortable kicking back a few bottles of Blue (Labbatt's Blue, the Canadian equivalent of... well, they drink the stuff as often as we drink coke or pepsi down here). Mind you, I often went out with both our CEO and with the people who worked for me, but that was the nature of my job. You'd rarely see my company's CEO out at lunch with our software developers, and if you did, they weren't exactly comfortably chit-chatting and kicking back beers, it always seemed much more strained.
It was always a pleasure to do work with our Canadian customers, and we always had a good time up there. Of course, I have to note that these guys were all making about a third what they'd have been making in the Boston area, when you account for currency differences and so on (then again, the cost of living is certainly lower up there, though it's not THAT much lower). Also, I suspect that big corporate environments in Canada are more uptight than what I saw, and I doubt that a large insurance company in Canada would be so much more laid back than a large insurance company in the US. But maybe I'm wrong.
There aren't really many jobs here.... (Score:3, Insightful)
As a job hunting System Admin. in Toronto, I can tell you the job market is pretty crappy. Unless you already have a job lined up, don't hold your breath for a sysadmin position.
You should also note that jobs in Canada are much more political than jobs in the U.S. Office politics plays a bigger role, and you better be good at the game to get anywhere.
Re:Speaking as a Canadian... (Score:3, Insightful)
(Living in Ottawa)
My take on Corporate life: Probably the same but good luck finding a job here. Only place hiring is the government but if you speak English and little or no French you are out of luck. Speak French and little or no English and you are in like Flynn.
It's unfortunate that you're moving... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Socialist Country.... (Score:4, Insightful)
That's the point though - Canada is a different country than the US - Canada is not USA-Lite. I don't mind the things you're railing against, since I've decided to accept them as the price of having my country the way it is - which is the country I love. If the poster is willing to accept that things will be different here, he'll come to love his new country, too.
BTW, try some of the establishments [montrealplus.ca] on St. Catherine street in Vieux Montréal - the ladies there will change your mind about Quebecers being unfriendly.
Soko
Hate to break it to you (Score:2, Insightful)
Corporations are an entity unto themselves, I don't think country plays a part.
Re:You make less (Score:3, Insightful)
I think you need to compare the cost of living along with salary.
Don't Do it (Score:2, Insightful)
You are Canada-fob (Score:1, Insightful)
Wrong (it's 1.5-2 times less for 100k salaries)
Wrong in 'subpar' part. And it doesn't cost an arm and a leg as in some countries.
Wrong unless you suck hopelessly. There is a lack of qualified developers and admins as you'd find anywhere. That's qualified professionals, not the ones with interesting resumes.
With all the weird labor laws in Canada most companies hire contractors rather then actual employees,
Wrong unless you are talking about unionized jobs (such as janitors and bus drivers)
Wrong again. Bah, you don't know a bit about things you're talking about.
And be prepared for MORE bueracracy,
Well, you guessed it - Wrong, dude. Canadian bueracracy is NOTHING compared to bueracracy that exists in European and Asian countries and is not much different from US practices.
Hehe
Oh and don't forget the French, those whacky French speaking Canadians make the real French seem practically friendly.
What's this has to do with the move ? Still trying to get over Freedom Fries fever, aren't you ?
How do you tell... (Score:3, Insightful)
How to you tell whether the grass really is greener under that 27" of snow?
Granted, American suburban sprawl sucks, but is making the leap of becoming a member of another nation truly worth it? For example, an important question would be: does Canada value freedom and speech in all the same ways as the USA does? I really don't know (not being Canadian), but I do know that the USA is better than Slashdot doomsayers claim it to be.
Perhaps you simply need a career change? No one is forced into 1-hour commutes to a job they hate. How about moving rural, get a low-paying job, and lay back and enjoy life for a while? Buy a cheap john boat and go fishing for a change.
Are you sure it isn't your own idealism that you are chasing and never catching? Do you understand that naive idealism begets misery--in any country in the world?
Dude, You Have a Problem (Score:2, Insightful)
Seriously, if you want to move to Canada just because you do not like corporate America, you gotta be bored out of your fucking mind. I do not know how you feel, but I can imagine because I have had the same thoughts; however, I do not plan on moving anywhere.
There are plenty of companies in the United States that offer excellent benefits and laid back environment. Believe it or not, you can find businesses that offer 100% health and decent dental coverages. You have to know where to look; hint, metrapolitan areas might not be your answer. Look at somewhat rural areas. You might not get a job that pays six figures, but you can score a decent position that does not require a monkey suit and being on call 24x7. Also, you'll get to enjoy less trafic, cheaper housing, more land and maybe you'll learn how to appreciate outdoors. Have you looked at the map of the U.S. lately? Our country is pretty damn large and lifestyle varies from place to place. I hear that some of D.C.'s neighborhoods look like third-world countries; on the other hand, I really enjoyed living in laid-back-not-giving-a-fuck rural area of New England. The choice is up to you.
Canada is better than the United States only if you are piss poor and/or need medical attention everyday (that is, if you cannot afford it). In the United States healthcare is still affordable; dental insurance plance can be better, but we also do get what we pay for. If you do not like something, go ahead and sue :)
Finally, if you think that your Canadian boss is going to be nice(er) to you, you're totally wrong. Businesses are here for making profits and no matter what the owner of the company wants to get the money. If your manager has to ride your ass in order to make you efficient, you won't find a place in any country of the world.
P.S.: Oh, yeah Candians are more polite. Last time I was in Montreal, several girls asked me if I wanted to get laid eventhough I was with my girlfriend.
Re:hardly (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:I live in Canada (Score:5, Insightful)
~S
Re:Let me tell you how it differs. (Score:1, Insightful)
Socialist countries usually *are* less productive and more laid back. They have no interest in success or achievement. As long as the motherland (or pretty much ANYONE ELSE BUT THEMSELVES is looking out for them), they don't care.
Re:How do you tell... (Score:5, Insightful)
Uh, we have a constitution as well. And we have the same rights as you do. But we didn't get it before 1980-something.
Before that, we had the BNA Act (British North American Act); it didn't really formally promise or guarantee anything, but being a rational, respectful people, we pretty much just agreed to get along and give others the same rights we would like ourself.
Now, maybe it's time to pick up a book, and learn about the country that does the most trade with the US, provides the most oil and gas to the US, speaks the same language with basically the same accent, and in general has been Americas closest ally (current situation aside). Canadians know alot about America and Americans, and show a fair bit of interest about what goes on there.
Would be nice to see that feeling reciprocated one day.
Re:Got a job offer already? (Score:3, Insightful)
Are you aware that the unemployment rate here in the US does not count those who's unemployment benifits ran out and who are still jobless? Unemployment is out of control here. I have friends in Seattle (very smart, determined people) who have been without a job for over 2 years.
Then stay out of 'corporate' America (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Substantially Similar (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Speaking as a Canadian... (Score:2, Insightful)
Did ok I guess, but won't go back. (Score:5, Insightful)
The honeymoon: After getting dot-bombed twice, I was brought in for an interview via a personal referral, and it seemed like a good fit. I told them I was a little jittery about the technology economy, and to describe how they were doing. The response was something along the lines of "We've been making a small but dependable profit every year for the past thirty-plus years." I started work the next week. While primarily Canadian-run, the inclusion of British and Australians in the management mix gave a bit more of a truly international feel to the organization. The place was eerily quiet and very businesslike, which was a welcome change from the Brownian-motion style US/.com management of the previous few years.
The serious relationship: They kept me busy on a number of good technology projects, but the risk-averse environment began to grate on me. The Canadian management was interested in the *idea* of new clients, but was so entrenched in the repeat-business-by-reputation model that they consistently failed to track new opportunities. Even really good and profitable ventures with low risk that landed in their laps tended to be neglected. For example, I spent quite a bit of effort on a business plan for expansion of an existing line of work, only to have it neglected rather than rejected outright. Still, there were interesting work opportunities, and we plodded along with them. I resisted slowing my personal pace of business and technical exploration, but eventually reached something of a tolerable balance.
The divorce: The US operation began to lose money, and a new manager was brought in to build business. Instead, the uber-conservative atmosphere stymied new ventures at a higher level than had affected me directly. Low/med risk down here in the US was perceived as high-risk north of the border. The new manager (a low-wattage guy who was long on vision and short on follow-thru) then just resorted to layoffs. Now, a decent US-ian approach might have been to face up to the numbers, lay off a bunch of people with a semi-reasonable severance, and be done with it. Instead, in the Canadian corporate atmosphere I knew, having to do a layoff was a point of shame (which it should be, since any layoff is a tacit admission of management failure). But instead of getting it over with, they drew it out, firing an average of 1% a week for a year, on a seemingly random basis. The last straw for me was an ill-timed complaint that I made about not receiving my allotted training budget for the past two years. I was shooed out the door, only to be brought back as a consultant within a week. I finished my work shortly thereafter, and bowed out as gracefully as I could.
Would I work for a Canadian company again? Maybe, but probably not. These few years seemed to combine all the worst features of risk-verse Canadians, tall-poppy-averse Australians, form-over-substance-obsessed British, and blinded-by-your-own-BS-management Americans. But it was tolerable, we made a little money, and the company is still in business and probably will be for some time to come. Based on my experience, I would say a medium-sized Canadian corporation might be nice place to park yourself if you want a quiet, staid environment for a few years. But be careful that you don't take root and slow down to a point that you can't re-enter the US or other fast-paced market in the future.
Jon
i HATE this falsehood (Score:2, Insightful)
Bullshit.
Unless your doctors and nurses work for free. And hospitals spring up out of the ground all on their own.
Where do they get their money. From the government. Where does the government get its money? From you.
Now...they may or may not do a better job with that money than a corporation (HMO or whatever), but they must get that money to pay the doctors from somewhere. And as the government makes nothing to sell, they get it via taxes. i.e., out of your pocket.
Not having a separate line item on your paycheck stub for 'Medical' doesn't mean it is free. It just means you don't know exactly how much of your check goes towards it.
oh yes, the beer is good. But so are many US micros...
Re:How do you tell... (Score:5, Insightful)
I really feel I need to adress this misconception.
I was raised in the US, and moved to Europe in my teens. Before that, I pretty much had the same question.
What I soon learned: In the USA, these concepts are extremely hyped. Not that they're not important, but americans tend to think that these concepts somehow are unique to the USA, or unique in importance to Americans.
It's just not true. The whole western world has pretty much the same attitude on these issues.
(And this is one of the reasons of US-EU friction:Europeans, not hyping this stuff so much, are more aware that the difference is relatively small, I feel. So when Americans say stuff like this, they percieve it as an american "We're the only ones who truly understand freedom" attitude.)
The question is how you define 'freedom'? The right to bear arms? Some think this is an important freedom. Most people in the western world, do not. On the other hand, the USA has less freedoms in other ways. Scandinavians are proud that they have the freedom to enter the property of others. (not squatting in someone's front yard, of course, but say, taking a stroll in someone's forest)
You can't burn the flag in Italy. But some Americans want that too.
The political difference on the issue of fundamental freedoms varies no more between the US and other western democracies than it does within the US.
There is a major difference is that the USA has the approach of not changing laws, especially not the consititution, to ban things. Instead, things get handled through lawsuits. So in the USA, you may often have the 'freedom' to do something in the sense that it's not prohibited by law, but on the other hand, you'll get sued into oblivion.
Trying to rewrite history (Score:1, Insightful)
The Dot Com era occured under Clinton which led to the recession. The recession technically started at the very end of the Clinton administration.
Clinton DID run away from the vast majority of challenges to the US abroad during his administration as written by the original poster. That taught the terrorists exactly the wrong lesson and emboldened them to strike again and again thinking that the US would turn and run.
Now onto topic! I commute with a gentleman/ex-canadian every day who has been living in the US for about 8 years now. He ran away from the taxes, poor health care, and constant interference of the government to come to California. (I can't explain why he chose CA..) He is now a US citizen thinking that this is the best place to be. Most interesting, since his Dad was British he has joint Canadian, British, and now US citizenship. He can work anywhere in the EU, Canada, or here. Look where he chooses to stay???
So why does the poor dude who started this whole topic think the grass is greener over our Northern border??? It's only green a few months a year!
Re:No Rep. BS needed, your health care system suck (Score:3, Insightful)
On the other hand, no one in Canada is serously in debt due to paying medical bills.
As with everything, in healthcare you get what you pay for. Sure the system in Canada is in many ways inferior to the US, but it is absolutly free, or at least paid for by tax dollars. If you want to rely on the free medicare system in the US, your wait will be much longer and service much poorer than Canadians get.
Good healthcare is a right, not a priveledge of the rich, and the Canadian system provides good heath care to all people, and not just the ones who can afford it.
Re:Speaking as a Canadian... (Score:5, Insightful)
Off-topic and feeding the trolls, but I don't care. I'm sick of this argument.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Do unto others as you would have them do to you.
Geez. We learned this stuff in preschool.
And yes, I am an American. And I'm staying here to vote against the people who think like you.
Re:i HATE this falsehood (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Trying to rewrite history (Score:2, Insightful)
The Dot Com era occured under Clinton which led to the recession. The recession technically started at the very end of the Clinton administration.
The second clip is just as bogus as the first. Clinton didn't influence the advent of HTML and the resulting, massive speculation on the stock market. It's ludicrous to blame a president for that.
If anything, the massive corporate deregulation instituted by Reagan, which allowed the formation of mega-conglomerates, made massive speculation possible and highly lucrative. CEOs could no longer resist the temptation to bend the truth; they would lose money and possibly market share.
So blame Reagan and all the easily fooled people who voted for a Hollywood actor with wonderful, soundbite answers to complex issues. Yes, deregulation made some people, especially the dodgy ones, lots of money for a while. Great, right? Yeah, tell that to the ex-Enron employees now.
Some of us have and will always believe that government regulation keeps people honest and thinking about more than next quarter's share price.
I will invest in corporations who have independent audits of their accounting practices, stock analysis from people who have nothing to gain or lose by a certain outcome, and impartial board members. That is to say, I don't invest in the stock market; I don't trust most corporations any more. Anyone who invests in today's deregulated corporate world of liars and spin doctors is a moron.
Re:Did ok I guess, but won't go back. (Score:3, Insightful)
That said, I had exposure to a lot of other mid-sized Canadian corporate IT organizations (two major telcos, several banks, hospitals, a 1/2 dozen ministries, etc), and I perceived a level of commonality in the risk aversion of most of them. All's I can say is what I experienced. You might also note that I don't have a lot of positive things to say about US or British-style technology management as it was represented here. And while I experienced some negative aspects of Australian management styles in this particular Canadian context, if I were to make a broad generalization from my short experiences in Sydney it would be very, very positive.
Your mileage may (and surely will) vary...
Jon
Re:Leaving the country is a bit over the top (Score:3, Insightful)
Unfortuneately, the two are becoming synonymous. The president is bought & paid for by corporations. Same with a lot of Senators and Congresspeople. The laws are being made to favor the corporations over the people (DMCA, for example). Even the military is being corporatized: corporations seem to be in charge of major parts of the ridiculous Iraq war that we're now bogged down in.
some of the same things are probably happening in Canada as well (except the war part, they've wisely stayed out of this one), but it seems a bit slower. And at least when you're out of work up there you've got health care.
Re:Speaking as a Canadian... (Score:1, Insightful)
If 8 years of Clinton is to blame for our current mess, who do we blame for the lousy economy under the first Bush? Clinton wasn't President yet.
Unemployment and tax policy [washingtonpost.com] [registration, sorry]
Mod me down, offtopic, I guess.
Re:i HATE this falsehood (Score:2, Insightful)
But the healthcare still isn't free...
Re:Dude, You Have a Problem (Score:4, Insightful)
You kind of know its a troll when you hit "In the United States healthcare is still affordable". You've obviously never spent any time in a American hospital without insurance. It will cost you at least $20K for a week for something not major. I'm doubting you've paid for your own insurance either. If your company's paying for most of it you might lack an appreciation for how much it costs and how fast the rates are going up, especially in states with serious malpractice litigation problems. I think everyone knows the cost of healthcare and drugs is spiraling out of control in the U.S. and its probably one of the biggest threats to U.S. global competitiveness since most countries have socialized healthcare to one degree or another and they don't have corporations draining the life out the economy. Sure healthcare in the U.S. is great if you are rich or have gold plated insurance, its OK if you have Medicare, but if you are among the 40 million uninsured you are one illness away from bankruptcy.
It is the truth you may hit a boss who is a dick in the the U.S. or Canada. I have had bosses who are dicks who are American, Canadian and Indian but my experience is the American bosses are way more likely to be dicks than the Canadians. The Candian engineers I've worked with have been on average far better to work with. There is substantially less back stabbing, and climbing over your coworker to get to the top than there is in the U.S.
As I said a few weeks ago, the U.S. has a problem with its culture, education, media, military/gun obsession that is tending to cultivate a people who have a real tendency to be arrogant and ignorant which is a dangerous combination. Its not a surprise to most of the world that Bush is the President since he is the poster boy for arrogant and ignorant.
Re:Labour Laws (Score:1, Insightful)
Point 2 is completely wrong. The Canadian federal government has virtually no authority to regulate employment relationships outside a few industries (like banking and interprovincial transportation). The US federal government has nearly limitless authority to do so, even if they leave the bulk of the regulation up to the individual states.
Re:Well... (Score:3, Insightful)
Yes, and I get more for it. When you add in what Americans pay for private health care, your total equivalent burden is 38%, which is 8.6% more than Canadians'. Dispite various patriotic illusions, overall the health-care systems are about the same. The problem with Americans' health-care system isn't that it's capitalistic; it's that it's not. It's inefficient because of monopolization and corruption.
Re:Speaking as a Canadian... (Score:3, Insightful)
> at least the the Iraqi prisoners are still breathing
1- Some Iraqis were in fact killed in those prisons, 25 of them according to local newspapers. Were their death nice and peaceful? We don't know yet. The female private we saw in all the pictures was interviewed yesterday and said worse abuse was committed than the one we saw. She didn't give specifics.
2- Spoken as a true westerner. Some of the victims interviewed on TV said they'd rather have been killed. Interview of people in the Iraqi street I saw this morning was saying that forcing people to have simulated sex was in fact far worse than killing them.
To the victims it does make a difference that they are still alive. In terms of outrage in the Arab world it couldn't be worse. See how much coverage the death of 10s of thousands of civilians in the Iraq pacification campaign has had, and how much coverage this is generating.
It should be painfully obvious that we are getting a war of civilizations.
Re:Speaking as a Canadian... (Score:4, Insightful)
> Now when is somebody going to apologize to us for
> killing 3000 people on September 11
What does Iraq have to do with this? None of the terrorist were Iraqis or had any contact with Iraq.
> or for burning and dismembering 4 US contract
> workers in Falluja, or cutting off this guys
head?
These are the work of terrorists, are you saying that the US should behave like terrorists? Can't you see that violence generates violence?
Lethargic atmosphere (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Speaking as a Canadian... (Score:3, Insightful)
This was psychological torture. It was not simply pointing at their genitals. Besides, as noted above, prisoners WERE killed. Dogs were set loose on them while they were defenseless. It is much easier for Westerners to empathize with Nicholas Berg, because you can relate to him. Hell, even if we knew the NAMES of the Iraqi prisoners, many of us probably wouldn't be able to even pronounce them properly. A human life is a human life, and lives are being taken on every side. There isn't much of a better or worse at this point.
Re:Canadian bacon is called... (Score:1, Insightful)
Also be in shock when you realize your standard of living is higher, life expectancy is greater and your health care doesnt cost you an additional $4000(giveortake) per year.
Be amazed when your family is not killed in the invasion of foreign nations, and be astounded by your overall sense of wellbeing resulting in the sense of responsibiltiy-for-ones-community.
Re:Speaking as a Canadian... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Got a job offer already? (Score:3, Insightful)
For instance, in my working life, aside from IT work, I have:
Bagged groceries.
Worked in a yarn mill.
Worked in a carpet mill.
Delivered pizzas.
Driven a tractor-trailer.
Driven a garbage truck (including picking up the garbage from the back of the truck).
I didn't consider any of those jobs particularly rewarding, but they got the bills paid, and I would do them again if I had to.
Sorry, but I don't have much sympathy for folks who lie around unemployed because they are unwilling to take a job that is "below them".
Ladies of the Night (Score:2, Insightful)
I'm not sure what part of the USA you're from, but up here, we call those "Prostitutes". Some of them are pretty open minded, hence, approaching a couple, instead of a single man.
Maybe these girls liked your friend, and were willing to let you join in for extra
Re:Speaking as a Canadian... (Score:4, Insightful)
In the U.S. it's common for a gun owner to own multiple guns. This might be throwing off that number immensely if what you're actually interested in is seeing how common gun ownership is.
Re:Canada's not So Bad,.... (Score:3, Insightful)
Now, just how self centric are you to not even be willing to learn something new ?
In the alternate universe where that was what was said, your comment would have made sense. Here in the real world where all the poster said was that you should practice up on French if you want to go to Quebec (which is the exact opposite of what you accused the poster of saying, your response was insulting and uncalled for.
Re:Speaking as a Canadian... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Speaking as a Canadian... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Speaking as a Canadian... (Score:3, Insightful)
Are you sure about this? Have you lived in both countries? Neither have I, but I've read testimonials from several Slashdotters who have, and they say they couldn't find any actual difference in quality, and suggested it was merely propaganda perpetuated by the private care providers in the US (sorry for the inadvertant alliteration) to justify their profiteering (oops!). Can you back up your accusation?
Re:Speaking as a Canadian... (Score:3, Insightful)
Sure, no problem. There are too many to list here, but this page sums it up nicely [redeemernews.org].