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Best Results From Bartering Computer Services? 1022

silicon not in the v writes "Last night I was over at some friends' house. They had cable modem with no firewall and tons of spyware, etc. on their system. They complained about all the popups and how bad it was that they were afraid to let their kids on the computer, so I set them up with ZoneAlarm, Ad Aware, and Firefox to get it cleaned up. In return, the husband, who is a chiropractor, gave my wife and I a free adjustment. What other interesting services or benefits have people been able to get by bartering IT/programming services?"
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  • Re:Slave and Master (Score:2, Informative)

    by jcm ( 4767 ) * on Monday May 24, 2004 @04:12PM (#9240995) Homepage
    Well, you can. You had just better make sure that the person's computer breaks right before a major paper (or deliverable in the real world) is due. Then fix it and save their butt. That'll generally ingratiate you to them and may even get you a wife... or a least a night of fun! The key is fixing it when they are desperate!
  • Barter WebSite (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 24, 2004 @04:19PM (#9241114)
    I've just joined a barter exchange in Seattle called TimeBucks.org. The first thing I did was notice that someone needed help getting their sound card to stop echoing everything (ran into that one myself a while back) as well as some performance issues - luck would have it that they have experience in non-profit fundraising and I've been looking for someone to bounce a few ideas off of. Great system, and well worth my geek time!
  • by ninjageek42 ( 761372 ) on Monday May 24, 2004 @04:20PM (#9241117)
    In high school I fixed an auto mechanic's PC and he fixed my car. I've received the best *massage* in my life for 30 minutes of "Getting the internet to work" by setting up their network settings and performing disk scan, cleanup, and defrag. This was several years ago back in college, it did cost me one network cable. But recently the best thing I've bartered for is with my wife's friend. Her husband is an established builder and he agreed to inspect our house that is in the process of being constructed. Every week we're heading out to the build site to make sure my current builders don't mess anything up. In return I've put together a decent family PC machine from spare parts. Got their copy of OS on there and locked it down. All parties are happy. Oh don't tell the wife about the massage, and yes it was just a massage - the best I ever had.
  • by VanillaCoke420 ( 662576 ) <.vanillacoke420. .at. .hotmail.com.> on Monday May 24, 2004 @04:23PM (#9241165)
    Homeopathy is not medical science, and it's not accepted in Europe, not among real scientists and doctors anyway. Please don't lie.
  • adjustment, eh? (Score:2, Informative)

    by Trailer Trash ( 60756 ) on Monday May 24, 2004 @04:26PM (#9241207) Homepage
    Chiropractors are generally quacks. No offense, but next time receive something of value.

    http://chirolinks.quackfiles.com/
  • Just like you.... (Score:3, Informative)

    by Phreakiture ( 547094 ) on Monday May 24, 2004 @04:33PM (#9241307) Homepage

    Just like you, I have gotten free Chiropractic care in exchange for computer help. The running deal is that my Chiropractor and I are effectivley on retainer for each other. I get all the chiropractic care I want at no charge, he gets all the computer help he needs at the same rate. He pays for all materials.

    Thus far, it has involved speccing out a couple of computers for him, installing a LAN in his office (from scratch, cabling and all) and straightening the Green pin on one of his monitors so that the video was no longer purple. It has been a very good deal.

    For another customer, I have done a hard drive upgrade in exchange for the old hard drive and a monitor. The monitor was promptly redeployed to my wife's computer (hers was staring to go fuzzy) and the hard drive was then sold to another customer of mine (nothing unethical, sold as used and wiped clean first).

  • Here's how I do it: (Score:3, Informative)

    by grasshoppa ( 657393 ) on Monday May 24, 2004 @04:34PM (#9241332) Homepage
    When I need something ( chiropractic, new car, ect... ), I ask them if they'd be willing to barter services for a better price ( or simple trades, often enough. You'd be surprised at how much you can get like that ).

    Often, what will give me the idea is I see something that I can improve on.

    Granted, most of the time, they are taken care of in that dept, but often enough I have gotten free stuff for a couple hours worth of work. :)
  • Re:IRS (Score:5, Informative)

    by YankeeInExile ( 577704 ) * on Monday May 24, 2004 @04:37PM (#9241378) Homepage Journal

    Here [irs.gov] is some information on just that.

  • Comment removed (Score:3, Informative)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Monday May 24, 2004 @04:38PM (#9241383)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by silicon not in the v ( 669585 ) on Monday May 24, 2004 @04:50PM (#9241526) Journal
    There are a lot of unethical chiropractors, (doctors, lawyers, car mechanics, etc.) certainly, but that doesn't mean that the field itself is quackery.
    Some headaches, neck pains, pinched nerves, and such can be fixed by one visit.
  • Re:Benefits. (Score:2, Informative)

    by Kryxan ( 767161 ) on Monday May 24, 2004 @05:06PM (#9241719)
    Weed. Face it we couldnt be geeks without smoking the herb. Well I guess it is possible to not smoke the herb and be a computer geek, but everyone that I have met was a pothead too, especially those with degrees in computers.
  • Re:Benefits. (Score:3, Informative)

    by kin_korn_karn ( 466864 ) on Monday May 24, 2004 @05:27PM (#9241894) Homepage
    you definitely live out west, then. I noticed out there that most of the geeks were herb fans, but where I live they're all the classic young Ayn Randian republican straight-edge "gaming is my high" types.
  • by gonzo67 ( 612392 ) on Monday May 24, 2004 @05:39PM (#9242017)
    So why is there a Royal National Homeopathic Hospital in London, that the NHS pays for?
  • by billstewart ( 78916 ) on Monday May 24, 2004 @06:44PM (#9242576) Journal
    Homeopathy is a bogus quack theory with two hundred years of trial and error experience. The lack of scientific basis means that their experience has been used less effectively than it could have been, and it means that much of what they write about what they're doing is too silly for words, but they _have_ learned a lot over the years about what works. They didn't catch on to the Germ Theory of Disease, which means it's not something I'd trust for curing real diseases when modern Western medicine can do something for you, but that doesn't mean it's useless.

    Allergies are one area where homeopathy is useful, because you're not concerned with curing the causes, you're concerned with getting rid of the symptoms. ("Yes, I know there are trees blooming outside, I just want to stop sneezing.") Modern medicine has antihistamines that can help block the symptoms, and cause some side effects, and homeopathy has bogus quack formulations that can also help block the symptoms, and have different side effects, and depending on which one does a better job for _you_ with the allergens that are blowing around right now, and which one has more annoying side effects (e.g. drowsiness vs. stomach upset), sometimes homeopathy is the right choice. Or you can get allergy shots, which aren't really much different from well-controlled homeopathy. It's only been the last couple of years that I've found that modern medicine has products that are significantly better.

    Flu is a special case. It's a virus, so if the vaccine didn't protect you this year, modern medicine mostly tells you to stay home in bed, drink hot fluids, and cover your mouth when you sneeze, and otherwise can't do much. Homeopathy is good for this - there are a couple of homeopathic preparations that can take you from feeling really lousy to merely feeling not very good, and that's a big win.

    The nice thing about homeopathy is that its particularl bogus theory is that the more you dilute a medicine, the more subtle the hints it gives your body's immune system about how to attack the real problem, and therefore the stronger it is. (It's similar to the theory of making martinis that says that you should take the vermouth bottle and gesture meaningfully in the direction of the glass without actually pouring any in...) So unlike herbalist medicines, which you take in non-trivial quantities and can sometimes cause liver or kidney damage if you're not careful, most homeopathic medicines aren't going to hurt you, and the "really strong" stuff is no threat at all if it doesn't work.

    Chiropractic is another quack theory that is obviously not useful for curing disease, but sometimes it can help with back and neck pain, and if you think of it as yet another form of massage, it's often somewhat helpful for many people. My first chiropractor was also an MD, which rather surprised both communities. The last one I went to wasn't able to recognize that my shoulder pains were early bursitis, so it was a while before I found a doctor who could do much about it, but at least he knew his limitations and could tell me that shoulder joints weren't something he knew about.

  • Mind in the Gutter (Score:2, Informative)

    by Secret Agent X23 ( 760764 ) on Monday May 24, 2004 @07:46PM (#9242986)
    I've never claimed any great expertise beyond being "a bit more computer literate than average." Yet I somehow seem to have become the guy a lot of friends and acquaintances come to with computer problems. It took me a long time before I was no longer surprised at how impressed people are by my expertise when I'm not really doing anything except not being scared of the daggone thing. Combine that with being too nice to say no, and I get a lot of requests.

    I've never had any offers of sex, but I've been given a dobro, a lawnmower, a variety of CDs, a pan of toe-curlingly delicious lasagna, a cordless phone, a gutter-cleaning job, and a smorgasbord of computer parts.

    I've only cut one person off cold. "You really need to learn some of this yourself," I told him one day. "I don't need to," he said. "I have you." No he didn't. Not after that.

  • Wenzel Defense (Score:2, Informative)

    by mahbidness ( 641513 ) on Monday May 24, 2004 @11:49PM (#9244371) Homepage
    IANAL, but I did a search and found another use of the Wenzel defense, where the state failed to prove careless driving beyond a reasonable doubt. Here's the link [rutgers.edu].

    Below is the relevant excerpt from the article:

    In finding defendant guilty of careless driving, the Law Division judge stated: The defendant quite clearly operated his vehicle carelessly, failed to exercise appropriate caution in the prevailing circumstances, and endangered both the persons in the other vehicle. These conclusory remarks, however, were insufficient to establish a careless driving violation. It appears that both the Municipal Court judge and the Law Division judge applied a res ipsa loquitur analysis in finding defendant guilty of careless driving. The doctrine of res ipsa loquitur, however, has no application in the determination of careless driving due to the quasi-criminal nature of the proceeding in which the State has the burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt all elements of the offense. See State v. Wenzel, 113 N.J. Super., 215, 216-18 (App. Div. 1971)(the mere fact of an "otherwise unexplained jackknifing" where a tractor-trailer entering a construction area had jackknifed on the wet roadway, crossed into the opposite lane and broadsided another truck fatally injuring the truck's driver, did not establish that the defendant had been driving carelessly.) The careless driving statute provides: [a] person who drives a vehicle on a highway carelessly, or without due caution and circumspection, in a manner so as to endanger, or be likely to endanger, a person or property, shall be guilty of careless driving.

    [N.J.S.A. 39:4-97.]

    Here, other than the accident itself, the State only presented defendant's statement that his vehicle began to slide on the wet highway and continued to do so when he tapped his brakes. Moreover, his apology was not an admission to driving carelessly, but merely a statement that his car had slid on the wet pavement. The State presented no evidence indicating that defendant had been speeding, driving too fast for the wet road conditions, distracted or otherwise driving without due caution and circumspection. Consequently, there was insufficient evidence to support defendant's conviction for careless driving, and we reverse that conviction. We affirm the driving under the influence conviction and sentence under N.J.S.A. 39:4-50(a) and vacate the stay. We reverse the careless driving conviction under N.J.S.A. 39:4-97 and remand to the Law Division to amend the judgment.

  • Re:Benefits. (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @12:50AM (#9244628)
    You can go ahead and put soda in the blender, just make sure it's REALLY closed.

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