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Did Your Ex-ISP Purge Your Personal Data? 63

reallocate asks: "When you quit an ISP, do you expect that your personal info and your email accounts will be purged? So did I, but I was wrong. Do you know what your ISP does with your data if you quit them?" At first glance, this would seem to be a reasonable expectation, but these days, businesses are holding your data longer than you'd expect. If someone doesn't know for sure if an old business is holding their personal data, is there any way they can find out?
"Once upon a time, I was a Roadrunner customer. I dropped them and moved to another ISP. A few days ago, I fell prey to a "returning customer" inducement from Roadrunner that will, in truth, save me a few hundred dollars over the course of a year.

However, when the sales agent knew my address before I gave it to her, and the customer service guy I called later knew my Social Security number, although I had not yet provided it, it was clear Roadrunner had not purged my data when I had closed the old account, including user ID and password. Their agents were seeing that data displayed on their screens. And, checking what I thought were long-dead Roadrunner email accounts, I saw they'd been left open and active, with hundreds of messages piling up.

I've spoken with my local Roadrunner office and written their national office, asking about their policy on purging personal data when a customer drops an account, and, if it isn't purged, how they use that data. To be fair, both queries were made over the weekend and I'm waiting for responses."
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Did Your Ex-ISP Purge Your Personal Data?

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  • The two-headed Qwest (Score:3, Interesting)

    by deque_alpha ( 257777 ) <{qhartman} {at} {gmail.com}> on Monday May 24, 2004 @05:36PM (#9241985) Journal
    I have had phone/dsl and ISP services off and on for some years from Qwest/USWest and Qwest.net. On the phone/dsl service side of things, they delete portions of account information (like SSN) almost immediately. I recently moved and they bunged up the move order. When I called back a day after my new service was supposed to start, and had to start "new" service, they still had my name, address, etc. but no longer had my SSN or any of my old billing information. Pretty good. Qwest.net, on the other hand, apparently doesn't get rid of anything, as they still had that (partially obsolete) information when I spoke with them minutes later...
  • Not Where I work... (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 24, 2004 @05:39PM (#9242016)
    I do tech support for a fairly large ISP in Northern Nevada. I can login and view information about a customer's account anywhere in the 10 years they have been in business with one command. If I go to another interfact, I can seartch deeper and get more info. It would be extremely easy to get a less-than-honest person working in here who could get a lot of sensitive information. Seeing this sort of availiblity to some people on a first-hand level makes me a little bit more afraid of what could happen (read 'OMFG my information is not safe at all').
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 24, 2004 @05:52PM (#9242143)
    I don't understand this either. I don't expect the bank, phone company, ISP, Amazon.com, the electric company, the place I bought a car from, my insurance company, my doctor's office or anyone else to delete my personal information when I'm done doing business with them. If nothing else, there are often requirements and policies for businesses to retain records for a number of years. And it is otherwise a good idea so that should there ever be a conflict you can prove your case. Or contact the person should it be necessary. Or - honestly - whatever other reason the other party feels they want to retain records of business with you for.
  • by Seumas ( 6865 ) on Monday May 24, 2004 @05:54PM (#9242167)
    No kidding. This is the stupidest "Ask Slashdot" ever - and that's saying a lot.

    Why would anyone expect a company they have done business with to delete all records of having done business with them after they're no longer a customer? For one thing, companies are often required by law to retain certain documentation and for another - who the hell cares?

    Why should an ISP be expected to delete their records any more than the electric company, phone company, Amazon.com or the IRS?

    Of all the things to get your panties in a bunch over...
  • by Chess_the_cat ( 653159 ) on Monday May 24, 2004 @07:17PM (#9242810) Homepage
    What I want to know is why this guy gave his ISP his Social Security Number? lol. You know you only have to give that number to your bank and the IRS right?
  • Re:In the UK (Score:2, Interesting)

    by cpt_rhetoric ( 740663 ) on Monday May 24, 2004 @07:17PM (#9242814)
    Couldn't one also come up with a good reason? What about keeping previous customers informed of services which could draw then back? Or ease of reinstating an account for a returning customer? What happens if I purge all data on an account that went deliquent and I never want that person again to receive any service? How do I make sure that same person doesn't come back a few months later and tries to get service again? If I've purged the info, I have no easy way to check out if this is that banned user.
  • by yamla ( 136560 ) <chris@@@hypocrite...org> on Monday May 24, 2004 @08:08PM (#9243121)
    In Canada, maintaining this information after you have lost the customer is illegal under the PIPED Act [privcom.gc.ca] which came into effect for corporations unrelated to the government on January 1st, 2004.

    Basically, you are allowed to use personal information only for the purpose you originally stated. Companies that collected this data to provide you with service are therefore legally bound to delete it once the customer cancels their account.

    Very few companies actually do this.
  • by DaveJay ( 133437 ) on Monday May 24, 2004 @08:09PM (#9243127)
    Agreed about the email. Parent mentioned not expecting a bank to purge your information, but you would certainly expect them to close your active checking and savings accounts (or in an ISP's case, email accounts).

    I had a terrible, terrible bank in Chicago some years back, and when I closed all the accounts and took the last of my money out (in person, I might add) they assured me that the account was closed.

    Well, a check that was still floating around hit the bank a week later (it was months old and very small, so I had chalked it up to a balancing error) and rather than not pay it or contact me first, they paid it out, then sent me a bill for the overdraft charge in addition to the amount. The kicker: I tried to talk to them about it, but all I got were circles of:

    them: "we only honor checks to open accounts, and yours is closed, so we couldn't have paid it"

    me: "but you sent me this overdraft for the closed account saying you paid this out"

    them: "well, the account must not have been closed"

    me: "I have this piece of paper from you saying it was closed a week before this check was paid"

    them: "if you had a check out there, you should have left enough money in the account to cover it"

    me: "I didn't know it was still out there, and how can I leave money in a closed account?"

    them: "You can't leave money in a closed account, but once an account is closed, you don't need to leave money, because we don't honor checks to closed account"

    me: "but you DID..."

    And so on. Took weeks to straighten out. Bluh.
  • by jm92956n ( 758515 ) on Monday May 24, 2004 @11:43PM (#9244334) Journal
    A while back (nearly six years ago, to be exact), I cancelled service with my local ISP. Though they deleted my email account, my FTP account was not touched. I still use it on a regular basis to host files. According to Netcraft [netcraft.com] the server is running WebSTAR/4.2, some old ancient Mac software that I've never seen elsewhere. I'm convinced my account will remain until there's a hardware failure.

    There's little to no cost associated with maintaining this data. It would probably cost them more in man-hours to delete my account than it would to just leave the account in place.

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