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Suggestions for a Home VOIP Provider? 250

nate1138 asks: "My wife and I recently relocated so that I could take a promising position with a better company. Her job, being the fairly progressive folks that they are, graciously agreed to let her telecommute. Most of the services she needs we already have set up, such as the VPN, and VNC for remote control, etc. Now we only have one thing left to do. Get a phone line. Her office is a long distance call from our new location, and she needs to be able to call customers throughout the southeast as well. Since we need a number with a different area code from our home, it looks like voice over IP is the only solution. I want to know what you folks think about the various VOIP providers, like Packet8, Vonage, and Broadvoice. Or any other that I haven't thought of. Or another way to solve the same problem without shelling out a boatload o' cash. Features are the last priority, while reliability is tops."
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  • by Lokni ( 531043 ) <reali100@nOsPAM.chapman.edu> on Friday May 28, 2004 @10:07PM (#9282775)
    I have been with Vonage for 6 months now and have had no problems. I have 4 lines through them with no problems at all, including fax. It also cut my phone bill by about 1/2 because all of the long distance calls I made are all now included.
  • Reliability (Score:5, Informative)

    by papasui ( 567265 ) on Friday May 28, 2004 @10:08PM (#9282780) Homepage
    Since you say that reliability is your top priority I'd recommend a dedicated VOIP service provided by a cable company if available. They are required to offer the same level of service as a phone company, and also included life line support. While Vonage, Packet8, and the like are all excellent services, they are only as good and as reliable as your existing internet connection.
  • Vonage (Score:5, Informative)

    by div_2n ( 525075 ) on Friday May 28, 2004 @10:09PM (#9282784)
    Vonage seems to work well so long as your connection is good. Being able to listen to your voicemail either on a phone or online is really neat.

    My experience is that tech support takes FOREVER to get someone on the line if you have trouble. When I say forever, I am talking about 45 minutes plus.

    Other than that, it is great.
  • Linspire (Score:3, Informative)

    by lakeland ( 218447 ) <lakeland@acm.org> on Friday May 28, 2004 @10:09PM (#9282786) Homepage
    The Linspire (Lindows) folks have quite a nice one called sipphone [sipphone.com]. I particularly like how you can plug your ordinary phone in. They're a fairly new player so currently low prices may not last.
  • My VoIP experience (Score:2, Informative)

    by TechGladiator ( 741686 ) on Friday May 28, 2004 @10:12PM (#9282798)
    I can tell you that I have used Vonage over the Optimun Online cable service and I was happy with it. My only problem (which is why I eventually canceled my service) was with my ISP, I would be in the middle of a phone call and the call would drop for no reason. I loved the quality of the service, easy to install and the price was right. Once Verizon (My local provider) came out with a flat rate phone service $49/month for unlimited local and long distance (within the US) I switched to them since a regular phone line in my opinion was more reliable than the VoIP solution. Another thing to consider is the fact that if you wife is going to be doing heavy downloading while talking on the VoIP network it will affect your sound quality as well, or at least that was my experience with it. Of course, I was getting speeds of 500+Kb/s on multiple downloads. But I didnt feel like cancelling the downloads when receiving a phone call or when I wanted to make one.. Hope this helps you in your decission.
  • by awehttam ( 779031 ) on Friday May 28, 2004 @10:19PM (#9282816)
    Asterisk, X100P "voice modem", NuFone [nufone.net] for dirty-cheap calling and Vonage [vonage.net] for North America wide calling.

    NuFone is good for outgoing long distance calls. They charge in 15 second increments to many numbers (others are 30 or 60 seconds) and are pretty darned cheap compared to other providers.

    I have great luck with Vonage for my local calling (North America, flat rate is like, $45 p/m and gets you all the dandy doodads). I also have Asterisk setup to receive faxes and Email them to me, so far no corrupted pages at all and the bandwidth usage is pretty reasonable.

    I have this setup on my Asterisk box (Vonage attaches using an X100P card ($100 from Digium [digium.com] for the real-thing, clones have been spotted for cheap including $0.99 but YMMV), NuFone is native IAX).

    Cordless phone is attached using a Grandstream [grandstream.com] Ata-286, so I can wonder around the house with a cordless headset whilst talking to who-ever using VoIP.

    and don't forget to register your number on e164.org [e164.org], for native voip ;)

    This is an incumbment free zone

  • by kupojsin ( 681728 ) on Friday May 28, 2004 @10:19PM (#9282822)
    you should definitely get this http://www.pulverinnovations.com/ this device allows you to used in pairs allows you to call each other through the internet and then use the ipp at you office to make local calls from that numbers area code
  • by Helpadingoatemybaby ( 629248 ) on Friday May 28, 2004 @10:19PM (#9282823)
    I use packet8 for my sole "landline." It cost me something like $20 or so which included a free DTA, with the first month free BUT you have to use a referral code to get this deal. (I think I used SAM, but I can't remember -- you can just Google for "referral code packet8" and I'm sure you'll find dozens.)

    The $20 a month gave me unlimited calls anywhere in quote-unquote North America (step back Mexico - you're not part of North America anymore, the phone companies have deleted you.) Of course you can use the phone anywhere in the world, but you can only call Canada and the US for free with the $20 plan. But even the long distance rates are very reasonable -- for me to phone Norway is only something like 2 cents a minute.

    The problem with the phone isn't the service, or which VOIP provider to choose -- it's the internet connection it's running on. If you're internet connection has a few hiccups here and there, or if you're just physically far away, your QOS will be shot. I recommend posting a follow up question of "Which ISP is best for VOIP?" Latency is a big issue, of course. Even some of the ISP's route occasionally via satellite, and that's just great for VOIP connections (great for VOIP connections... what? ...connections... bzzzzzzzzzt... what? Hello? Son of a ...!)

    My conclusion is: it's okay, and it's a cheap phone. There are some sacrifices. And Packet8 is loads cheaper than Vonage and includes free equipment, or at least used to. Plus you don't have to deal with the bastards at the phone company anymore, which makes any sacrifice worth it! Hurray! But for $20 a month and no long distance, go for it, just use the referral code to save being screwed on "installation." If you just want to try it for a while, try Free World Dialup until you're comfortable -- although that's a lot more complicated to set up versus a ready to run system like Packet8 or Vonage. Good luck.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28, 2004 @10:21PM (#9282829)
    Just adding my support for Vonage. If reliability and sound quality are important to you there really isn't any other option. Installation was easy: plug the modem in and connect it to my router and I had service in about 5 minutes. I don't know if their tech support is any good though because in about 6 months of usage I've never had to call them. They also have 911 service.

    The only bad thing I've heard about Vonage is that it can take a long time if you want to transfer your current phone number to vonage. Check broadbandreports.com [broadbandreports.com] for more Vonage reviews

  • Re:Packet 8 (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28, 2004 @10:24PM (#9282838)
    Packet8 billed me for another month two days after I cancelled. I have a great internet connection, but given a choice, I ended up using my phone line rather than hear my boss say yet again, "wh. ..sloc ..it with as.. ok?"
  • by death_cheese ( 746746 ) on Friday May 28, 2004 @10:26PM (#9282845)
    I am in the same situation. I moved from AZ to WA but I am still employed by a company in AZ. I am a software developer and I work from my home. My wife is a graphic designer who has lots of clients in AZ.

    We have a Sprint cell phone with an AZ number. Because we are Sprint wireless customers, we were offered a $15 a month, all-you-can-eat long distance plan for our home phone. That allows me to call my company's office to talk with coworkers.

    It works out pretty well.
  • DSLReports (Score:4, Informative)

    by Cbs228 ( 596164 ) on Friday May 28, 2004 @10:27PM (#9282852)
    DSLReports.com [dslreports.com] maintains a forum for VoIP providers as well as numerous reviews of Vonage [dslreports.com], Packet8 [dslreports.com], and lots of others [dslreports.com].
  • Vonage Is Cool (Score:5, Informative)

    by mirio ( 225059 ) on Friday May 28, 2004 @10:33PM (#9282870)
    I've been a Vonage customer for about 5 months now. My wife and I ditched our POTS because we realized it was costing us $34/month for absolutely no services (this was with Bellsouth). We decided to transfer our POTS number over to Vonage. Unfortunately, the old telco's like to rape customers by holding on to phone numbers for as long as possible (basically, the longer they hold your number, the longer you have to pay them). Bellsouth finally transferred my number to Vonage after about 90 days (bastards).

    We haven't regretted switching ONCE. We use the lowest call quality setting and can't even notice a difference. We have a cheapest plane they offer ($14.99 for 500 local/long distance minutes / *every* feature they offer including caller id, voicemail, etc).

    Perhaps our favorite feature is the web interface for doing everything. I mean, really...have you ever tried to set up your POTS line for forwarding? The web interface makes it very, very simple and there's no need to reference a manual.

    I would recommend Vonage in a heartbeat. Perhaps the poster's wife could just ditch her traditional land line, get Vonage, and use Vonage's "virtual phone number" feature to get a local number in her office's area code.
  • Also, do they have the location-finding features for 911 cell calls implemented yet?

    Yes.
  • Road Runner (Score:5, Informative)

    by Davak ( 526912 ) on Friday May 28, 2004 @10:41PM (#9282906) Homepage
    Are you sure your cable company doesn't have a local and LD phone package? http://www.twcdigitalphone.com/ [twcdigitalphone.com] The majority of my friends and neighbors have switched to road runner's VoIP... and we are all impressed. 911-service, call waiting, caller-id, works through your existing phone lines -- the service is packed with bells and whistles. Give it a shot if you have RR in your area. Davak
  • by larsu ( 473425 ) on Friday May 28, 2004 @10:42PM (#9282910)
    I switched from MCI state unlimited to packet8 for a few months. I had some latency problems with packet8. I could deal with it, but my wife could not. So we ended up upgrading our cell phone plan, and ditching a separate home phone altogether.

    A router with QoS helped a lot. There was a noticable difference after a did prioritization with OpenBSD's pf.
  • by erick99 ( 743982 ) * <homerun@gmail.com> on Friday May 28, 2004 @10:44PM (#9282922)
    I don't know if this is available to you or not. I live in Maryland and I have Verizon's $49/month plan that gives me:

    Local calling

    Unlimited Long Distance (US only)

    Caller ID

    Three-way Calling

    Voice Mail

    Call Forwarding

    other misc stuff

    I've had it for about five months and I can attest that my phone bill does not vary. No surprises.

    I hope this is of some value to you and I wish you luck with your move and your new ventures.

    Happy Trails!

    Erick

  • Re:Or.... (Score:3, Informative)

    by matth ( 22742 ) on Friday May 28, 2004 @10:47PM (#9282939) Homepage
    I carry my cell with me everywhere.

    As far as Vonage goes.. if you DO NOT I repeat DO NOT have POTS service you can backfeed the vonage analog signal into your home telephone network and get service to phones in any room.
  • VoIP Comparison (Score:5, Informative)

    by curufin ( 697683 ) <sjbain@nOSPAm.akamail.com> on Friday May 28, 2004 @10:48PM (#9282947)
    I found this [roffe.net] site to be very helpful in choosing a provider.

    I recently signed up for Packet8's VoIP service, and have been very happy with it.

    I would suggest that you read each provider's fine print, as some of them specifically telecommuters from their residential plans, and if they find out that you have been using a residential plan for telecommuting, will charge you the commercial rate for all previous months you've been subscribed.

  • Re:Or.... (Score:3, Informative)

    by JWSmythe ( 446288 ) <jwsmytheNO@SPAMjwsmythe.com> on Friday May 28, 2004 @11:05PM (#9283001) Homepage Journal
    You're one of those people that brings your cell phone to work with the ringer volume cranked all the way up, and then leaves your phone on your desk while you go to lunch, aren't you?

    I use Vonage at a colo where there's no cell service (underground, surrounded by metal, isn't good for reception), but I use my cell everywhere else.

    I'm reachable 24/7, which means it goes near my bed at night, and on my hip or on my desk the rest of the time. The only time it gets shut off is when I'm on airplanes, and even then it's in my laptop bag at my feet.

    The only place I may not carry it, and definately won't talk on it, is in the bathroom.

    Pain in the ass? Not really. It's near by, like my wallet (and beer after work).1

  • by pvt_medic ( 715692 ) on Friday May 28, 2004 @11:13PM (#9283033)
    you can always dial 911 on an phone line that gives you a signal (even if y ou dont havea phone contract) and can also dial 911 on any cell phone (as long as the thing works) even if it doesn have a plan.
  • Re:DSL? (Score:3, Informative)

    by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Friday May 28, 2004 @11:14PM (#9283042) Homepage Journal
    Yes. I have had DSL without POTS in the past. Now I have Cable without Cable TV, and I don't have POTS any more, I have GSM1900 from T-Mobile which has turned out to be quite a decent provider since everyone has been putting up GSM1900 and I have no roaming charges. I still don't get the kind of coverage that, say, AT&T dual-mode customers get, but they pay twice as much as I do, and I'm guessing their phones cost more as well.

    In any case, you can definitely have DSL without POTS, at least from SBC/Pacbell.

  • My experience with vonage is that they have really pretty good customer service.

    There is one exchange, a rural phone company, that I call and sometime have problems getting through.

    Vonage voice quality is good for me, if I put their modem directly on my isp modem. The trick seems to be that they give priority to their traffic over your computer traffic. You could probably get the same effect behind a firewall, if the firewall was sophisticated and you could arrange to prioritize packets. Try openbsd.

    I certainally like all the bells and whistles. But I keep a POTS too.

    Notice though that their recommended setup puts your firewall in as a dchp client. If you are lucky enough to have static ips, then this might make you think a bit. The parent poster just hung it off the router so the modem quality of service attributes do not come into play. This in my experience reduces call quality sometimes, depending on the computer traffic.
  • by leftism11 ( 177941 ) on Friday May 28, 2004 @11:29PM (#9283103)
    I have had Vonage for 6 months and just cancelled today.

    Very cool concept, and I'm a big fan of the company. Great product offering, great customer service, and super convenient in many respects.

    But, I discovered a few limitations, and eventually decided that I just didn't need the service anymore.

    The latency was a big problem for me. The latency for calls when using Vonage on my cable Internet connection (Cox in So. Cal.) was typically almost 1 second. I estimate that because I could hear the slight echo when the signal finally made it to the other end of the call, and because my friends would ask me what was wrong with my phone. After a few frustrating business calls, I stopped using it for important phone calls and only used it for a few evening calls to friends that were willing to tolerate the latency that reminded me of an international call. The actual quality of the sound was fantastic--no gripes there, but when you are stepping over the sentences of the other person constantly and having to wait for one another to finish sentences, it became very frustrating. I literally used my cell phone with 50% signal strength for important calls, since it had very little latency compared to Vonage on my Internet connection.

    I did not tried Vonage on my DSL service at my new residence (due to wiring issues mentioned below), so unfortunately I can't offer a comparison of cable vs. DSL in terms of the latency. (And yes, I followed all of their tech support recommendations and opened up the swath of ports that they recommend to incoming traffic.)

    The second issue that I had is that the phone must effectively be located next to the Internet connection (cable/dsl modem/router, etc.). You either have to run an Ethernet cable if you want to locate the Vonage device and phone elsewhere, or you have to run a long phone cord if you want to locate the phone elsewhere. Maybe there is some means of routing the signal into the copper wiring in the house, but I wasn't going to bother. My cordless phone crapped out, so I just gave up. My new location offers the huge benefit of actually having solid cell signal, so I now rely exclusively on my cell, and had no need for Vonage.

    But, I give them tremendous credit for a great product (for those that can get acceptable call latency/quality) with a ton of features for an amazingly economical price.

  • Re:DSL? (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28, 2004 @11:29PM (#9283104)
    Yes and no.

    You can keep your DSL, but you must continue to "pay" for a phone line. You can drop the phone service down to the minimum package. Some states/carriers allow you to have a "911 only" line that costs $10-$20 per month.

    There are two carriers that offer so-called "naked" DSL. Don't believe it. Qwest charges you the $10 for the phone line on top of their regular DSL price. Then, they sell it to you as "stand-alone" DSL. They turn off dial tone so you don't know you have phone service... but go ahead and dial 911. See what happens. Same with Verizon, and Verizon only gives you this "naked" DSL offer if you are dropping their local phone service to go wireless.

    Either way, you'll be paying for the phone line. It makes more sense to do VoIP over a cable broadband connection, if you really want to drop the "copper" landline charge.

    But, then you have to share bandwidth... and wouldn't it suck if the neighbor kid was downloading huge files while you're trying to talk on the phone.

    Oh, one more thing... someone mentioned that cable companies are required to have 911 service. They are NOT required to have traditional 911 service. Cablevision 911 works more like Vonage 911 than like POTS 911. The emergency services operator doesn't have your pre-populated name and address info (also like e-911 from your cell). You have to tell them who and where you are - they can't find you otherwise. Kind of tough to give that info if you're 5. But, if you don't have kids, it's not that big of a deal.
  • by philipsblows ( 180703 ) on Friday May 28, 2004 @11:32PM (#9283117) Homepage

    I first wrote about my Vonage experiences here on [slashdot.org] and at the time I had basically put them on probation. I fear I've given away the ending of my story in the subject line, but read on anyway.

    Since then, I found that I was experiencing really bad echo on certain incoming calls, even when those calls were forwarded from my Vonage phone to my cell phone. I was asked each time I tried to add more detail (by a new tech support person each time who never bothered to read through my issue history) whether my internet connection had enough bandwidth or my phone wiring had been tested... after the second time answer the same questions, I gave up. From then on, I would file additional customer care reports on the echo, from what phone numbers I was getting the most echo for incoming calls, how outgoing calls had no echo, etc. It became a major waste of time, and the fact that Vonage refused to acknowledge that they might have problems in their PSTN-to-VOIP bridges in certain exchanges, choosing instead to pass it off on my own house wiring or internet connection after both of those were eliminated as sources of trouble early on was quite telling.

    When my local phone company (Qwest) offered to switch me back for free with 2 months of free service on top of that, I took them up on it. Yes, I went back to Qwest, which is a major indicator. I had the virtual number feature, with a second line in an out-of-state area code, so I asked on the phone of a customer care rep at Vonage if my virtual number could become my primary number once the switch took place, and he assured me verbally that that was no problem.

    I'll let you, reader, guess what happened. Hint: if it isn't in writing it isn't true. Especially at Vonage.

    I've cancelled my Vonage service. Aside from the nice voicemail features and the useful forwarding feature, and the reasonably-low price, I found the quality of service, the quality of their technical support personnel, the startup process, and the experience on the whole to be a major disappointment. I consider myself to be an early adopter (and I've been in the tech hardware and software business for a while myself), so I was willing to cut Vonage a lot of slack early on with the stumbles and the snafus, and they took all of that slack and then some.

    BTW, I would suggest a service provider that doesn't lock you out of your own ATA device. Vonage prevents you from doing much of anything that they don't approve of, which is a major minus on top of their low-grade service.

  • by miggidy ( 649741 ) on Saturday May 29, 2004 @12:12AM (#9283227) Homepage
    A Canadian company called mobitus [mobitus.com] offers zero monthly fee, excellent software, and very competitve rates - it also has the advantage of being outside of the FCC's reach. I've used their system for quite a few months, and am quite happy with them. Plus, any support calls I've had to make (about 2 in 5 months) has been answered immediately. That's one things about those Canucks - friendly ;)
  • Re:Or.... (Score:3, Informative)

    by mindstrm ( 20013 ) on Saturday May 29, 2004 @12:15AM (#9283237)
    You can, yes.

    You can also go outside and disconnect the POTS line if possible, just to make sure.

    One word of caution.. don't hook up too many phones at once if you are doing this.... each phone you pick up (or that rings) (if the house is wired correctly) adds load to whatever is driving.. and if all that's driving is your little SIP box... you could fry it.

  • by dbullock ( 32532 ) on Saturday May 29, 2004 @12:16AM (#9283242) Homepage
    8 months here with Vonage. I have one line, and set it up to dual ring to my cell plus the home line so even if someone calls the house I can still answer it if I'm out.

    My phone bill was cut by about 2/3. My wife's family is in LA, and she calls several times a day. $100+ per month down to $37
  • by Ropati ( 111673 ) on Saturday May 29, 2004 @12:22AM (#9283262)
    I also have had Vonage for the past six months. I am pleased with the service and would recommend it with some caveats.

    First, the voice quality and connectivity drop off with any major IO traffic. If I'm downloading a large file, the voice sounds choppy. Useable but choppy. Consider what bandwidth usage the system will have while she is at work.

    All my local calls are now long distance calls. Just a hassle remembering to dial long distance to talk to my neighbor.

    There is a very slight delay in the system. It takes a while to get the rhythm of a conversation down using VOIP. Expect the other party to pause before replying. Try and make your sentences deliberate so the other party will expect a pause. You get use to it pretty quickly.

    Sometimes my DTMF tones get attenuated through the system. I can dial to a anywhere without issue, but on some calls, if I need to "Press 1 for domestic travel", on occassion pressing 1 doesn't do a thing. I have to either wait for the operator or redial, and sometimes redial several times.

    I also had to wait 30+ days to get my number transferred, but it was worth the wait.

    Remember, no power, no phone, so have an emergency comm backup arrangement.

    I found Vonage customer service to be as good as any ILEC. They turned me on to PingPlotter to monitor my Cable IP connectivity.

    My bills went from $85/ month down to $30 per month. Sweet.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 29, 2004 @01:01AM (#9283361)
    Actually, you don't have to pay for it. It's part of the device you're shipped! To enable the QoS, you need to hook it up immediately after your cable/DSL modem and before you go into any router. The VoIP box has basic port forwarding features as well so you still have some flexibility, although not as much as you'd get with a D-Link/Linksys/Buffalotech/whatever router/gateway. But, I've found that on my new BellSouth Ultra (3 Mbps down, 384 Kbps up), I don't even need the QoS features - even while downloading.
  • by DiveX ( 322721 ) <slashdotnewcontact@oasisofficepark.com> on Saturday May 29, 2004 @02:06AM (#9283651) Homepage
    As a matter of fact, I plugged in today and did indeed have a few hiccups. I could not get the MAC address to register and it took two calls to tech support to find out why. the first call ended in disconnect when the CSR placed me on hold and the second tech had to research the problem. It seems that my MAC was never registered in their inventory, so the system had to understand that my hardware existed. After a few hours (at least when I tried again) the sign-up went well. Once signed up, did a reboot and had a signal.

    So far, I'm impressed with the features. Voicemail (you can set it so that new messages are emailed to you in .wav format), email notification of new messages, call forwarding, call ID, call waiting, call return (*69), caller Id block, busy redial, and 3-way calling.

    One feature I have enjoyed already is detailed billing. I like the features of cell phones where it will often show detail of the called numbers as well as sometimes even incoming calls. Since I have to sometimes file suit against telemarketers for violation of the TCPA, it is highly beneficial that I have a detailed listing of when calls were made.

    You can place the hardware either inside or outside the firewall (if inside open ports 50605061, 53, 69, and 10000-20000 on UDP protocol). If you plug the device into a wall outlet in the house (making *sure* to disconnect the house from the street connection) you can use any other phone in the house as you normally would. Ad of course another last advantage is being able to take the device with you so that you can plug it in and use the phone whenever on a broadband connection. If you make a lot of calls to someone in another country, you could even try purchasing another device and sending it to them so they can take calls as if they were local (to you). I wonder how ling it will be before scammers, spammers, and other scum use this to appear local or in the states, yet be running things from Nigeria or other safe harbor.

    Right now Best Buy has a pretty decent sale. I used a 10% off Memorial Day coupon to bring the price to 81 and then it comes with a mail-in rebate. If you use their rewards program ($10 a year) you get 50,000 bonus points for purchasing this item (which equates to 4 $5 Gift Cards). Circuit City has it for 79-50 MIR if you want to go that route.
  • by d8ta ( 610133 ) on Saturday May 29, 2004 @02:30AM (#9283719)
    Not true about having to locate the phone next to your internet connection. See Vonage's website for options on using multiple phones with a single ATA adapter -- http://www.vonage-promotion.com/learn_center.html (see question about multiple phones). I've been using the last option they mention -- plugging the ATA adapter into my home's phone wiring AFTER disconnecting the incoming PSTN line (voltages differ, and you'll fry your ATA if you didn't disconnect it first). I didn't have to move any of our 3 phones in order to use the Vonage service. Not terribly elegant, but it took me all of 15 minutes to figure out and has worked for me for 1+ year with Vonage service.
  • by Demultiplexor ( 262258 ) on Saturday May 29, 2004 @02:46AM (#9283766) Homepage
    Packet8 user for about 9 months now, everything has been awesome. I have cable one as my broadband provider (idaho), never had problems with phone quality due to lack of bandwidth or anything connection related. The only problems I have ever had have been caused by my router firewall setup because I was being stupid and blocking incoming packets.

    Packet8 has a bunch of the services that I don't use (callerID, call waiting...), because I don't get ANY telemarketing calls, that is the #1 advantage I see... plus it's only $20.55, that's it, it's tough to do much better.
  • by sfe_software ( 220870 ) * on Saturday May 29, 2004 @07:42AM (#9284345) Homepage
    My advice would be not to bother if you live in an area where Comcast and SBC "Yahoo" ... are your only choices.

    Off topic, but when it comes to Cable/DSL providers, I've always read mixed results from every provider. I suspect it comes down to who, specifically, is running the local equipment...

    I'm with Comcast currently and the service has yet to have an issue (about 6 months now). I had Sprint/Earthlink DSL back in Florida, Road Runner cable (Time Warner) also in FL, and Bell South DSL in Georgia. Road Runner gave the most problems, almost always due to "upgrades", but even then it wasn't frequent enough to complain (with a "residential" account).

    Note, I do run my own local DNS cache as I found out (early on) that in most cases when service was down it was simply DNS not working (in many cases the physical connection is provided by one company (eg, Sprint) and DNS/email/etc by another (Earthlink in the Sprint case)).

    The one thing that bothers me about VOIP is that (so far, in my experience) a cable connection requires power. My DSL always worked w/o power (modem, switch, router etc on UPS) where a cable connection simply didn't work without power. But, with my cell phone being cheaper all around, I am tempted to get rid of the POTS line. Cheap as the cell service is, I've not yet seen a need to go VOIP personally.
  • VPN phone (Score:2, Informative)

    by aardvarkd ( 262518 ) on Saturday May 29, 2004 @11:46AM (#9285051) Homepage
    I've been telecommuting full-time for four years. I'm in El Paso, TX; my "office" is in Atlanta. Recently, my employer sent me a cool toy: a phone built by Intertel (if the case artwork is to be believed), that knows about both IPSec and my employer's internal office phone system. I plugged the phone into my LAN; within two minutes it established a secure connection to my employer's VPN via my cable IP connection, and hooked itself into the PTX. I now appear on the office phone network at extension 1003, and I can also use the office net to make long-distance calls charged to my employer, rather than to my POTS line or cellphone. It seems to be very reliable, and costs me nothing; it might be an option for the OP.
  • Re:Road Runner (Score:2, Informative)

    by bushda ( 460996 ) on Saturday May 29, 2004 @12:12PM (#9285126) Homepage
    Nice idea, but at $39.99 per month?

    I've had Vonage for quite a while now, and I find it to be superb -AND- it just dropped to $29.99 per month for unlimited calling. Not exactly hard to take price wise, and guiltless LD to everyone I know in the US and Canada is pretty sweet.

    Vonage gets my vote all the way, but I've never tried any others. I never had to - Vonage has been flawless since day 1.
  • Re:Road Runner (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 29, 2004 @01:29PM (#9285460)
    I have road runner only for data, and am using Vonage for voice including, amazingly my ADT
    alarm.

    It takes a little tweaking to get ADT and Tivo working over Vongage, but it's doable.

    Absolutely no complaints, in fact the best thing is you no longer wait for "cheap rates" on the weekends to call your relatives... the ones you like anyway.

    Vonage also just dropped their price for the All You Can Eat package from $35.95/mo to $29.95/mo and *increased* the referral bonus at the same time.

    Be sure to get referred by someone -- both referrer and referee are rewarded with a $45 credit to their respective accounts.

    Finally, don't put their voice device outside your firewall or use it for QOS unless you just have to -- it creashes too easily to the port probes, pings of death, etc.

    Instead use a WRT-54g with SVEASOFT's QOS enhancements, or any linux/*bsd box with QOS.

    (OpenBSD's QOS is best but um *bsd is dead, so never mind.)

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 29, 2004 @06:04PM (#9286775)
    I use Advanced Cable Internet [advancedcable.net] for my connection. They also feature a voice-over-IP solution [advancedcablevoice.com] but there's a problem: it uses cable internet.

    The one major issue with VoIP I have is the latency. There's a 1.5 second delay between all conversations, and it's because my ping is commonly ~250ms. Now don't get me wrong, it's much better than ADSL's ~900ms latency when you're using up your whole upstream cap, but it's enough to make VoIP calls annoying. Most cable internet has bad latency (fuck if I know why) so I don't think VoIP is good for those trying to ditch the local carriers.

    I've also had problems with Vonage (the people behind the scenes at advanced cable voice) where calls get "choppy" or otherwise very bad in quality. I assume this is proportional to the amount of bandwidth I am using and the amount needed by Vonage, but I didn't use it long enough to find out; I ended going back to Bellsouth. Long story short, implement a traffic shaper if you intend on using VoIP.

It's a naive, domestic operating system without any breeding, but I think you'll be amused by its presumption.

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