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Live CD for PPC? 45

Posted by Cliff
from the hard-drive-not-required dept.
An anonymous reader writes "After reading this article, I was pretty excited about trying an Ubuntu live CD on my Mac, because I've heard a lot about the distro. But it turns out the only live CD is for x86. Looking around for PPC live CD's that support modern hardware (like a G5) and demo modern versions of KDE and Gnome has proven fruitless so far. Does Slashdot know of any current projects that have released or are working on releasing a nice PPC live CD?"
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Live CD for PPC?

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  • Gentoo (Score:5, Informative)

    by Halo1 (136547) <jonas...maebe@@@elis...ugent...be> on Wednesday November 03, 2004 @10:05AM (#10710171) Homepage
    See here [gentoo.org]. I've used a Gentoo live cd a while on my iBook G3 and it worked fine (and no, you don't have to compile anything to start a nice X-environment).
    • Re:Gentoo (Score:4, Informative)

      by Ilgaz (86384) on Thursday November 04, 2004 @06:33AM (#10721935) Homepage
      It says on url you referenced: "G5 fans run full speed".

      A G5 machines 9 fans running full speed is easily louder than most vacuum cleaners.

      So, G5 owners, I wouldn't suggest.
      • But that was november 2003. I'm quite sure this has been solved in the mean time.
        • It shows no sign of updates at gentoo.

          I don't understand how come my post is +5 informative either.

          If any g5 owners out there, to experience the evil sound, just run "apple hardware test" from os x came with your machine :)
  • Construct your own (Score:5, Informative)

    by Tr0mBoNe- (708581) on Wednesday November 03, 2004 @10:14AM (#10710257) Homepage Journal
    If you have the time, do what I did. Put Gentoo on the system by a normal install method. you can make it like a 4 gig partition and then export the system as an image. It will definitly fit on a DVD, and a CD if you go min.

    I do this at school here because all the computers the kids have are the same... so I just get a perfectly working system on mine, and then create a liveCD from it for the other computers. It makes data recovery in the user support center a sinch.

    And a live CD for gentoo PPC is in the works. Should be out with the 2004.4 version release.
    • A live CD for Gentoo PPC is already out, and has been for a while.
    • personally i use the Gentoo LiveCD on my TiBook quite regularly. the only problems occur when the CD gets too much damage from being in my backpack all the time!

      gentoo boots into a nice Xwindows environment which i assume you don't care to customise... otherwise you'd make your system dual boot anyway...

      and actually one of the nicests includes i found was that Airsnort is on the liveCD as well, making it easier for me to locate wireless networks when i'm on the move. i know there are some Mac alternati

      • Yeah... I guess I should have read their site recently.... hehehe

        I find that since the Apple drivers come, basically, from one little sector of the market, their drivers are decently written and easy to setup. That's not the case with some x86 wifi cards

        I enjoy a nice copy of knoppix which comes with Kismet, Airsnort and other great little programs like that. It makes war driving simple.
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  • Mac Live CD's (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 03, 2004 @10:28AM (#10710391)
    I tried 3 and at this moment, only the Gentoo version works. It is not nearly as autoconfiguring as Knoppix is on the PC. First, I found this site which is a compilation of most of the Linux Live distributions around:
    http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd. php
    Then, by sorting on the right most column and scrolling down to PowerPC I found 3 PPC Live distributions:

    A. Knoppix PPC
    http://debian.tu-bs.de/knoppix/powerPC/
    B. Knoppix-MiB
    http://www.bouissou.net/knoppix-mib/d oc-html/Knopp ix-Mib.html
    http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/k-mi b-ppc/ - somewhat active mail archives for MiB
    C. Gentoo LiveCD
    http://www.gentoo.org
    http://www.metadist ribution.org/gentoo/experimenta l/2004.0/32bit/livecd/kde-gnome/ - location of the ISO I used
    http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=132 301 - the discussion that told me where to get it and good tips on getting it working
    http://forums.gentoo.org/viewforum.php?f= 24 - the full Gentoo PPC forum
    http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-ppc-faq .xml - good Gentoo PPC FAQ's

    A. Knoppix PPC - Nothing much seems to be going on with 'A'.

    B. Knoppix-MiB - I had previously tried 'B' and while it worked ok on my iMac, I was looking for something for my iBook that I could bring to Linux meetings. At one time this version also worked on my iBook, but it no longer does - I don't know why. Apple has had several software releases since I last used it including one major one which made patches to Open Firmware. Others have also reported problems with the alpha 2e Knoppix full version - particularly on iBooks. Knoppix MiB has not released any further full versions but have released some Xtest versions designed to resolve these issues and get their autoconfiguration process tested. I tested the latest of these (pre10) and they are on the right track as my iBook gets further along in the process and no longer crashes and shuts off. Update 3/11 - their latest Xtest version is now pre12 which I am downloading today.

    C. Gentoo LiveCD - The problem with Gentoo in the past was that it really never worked very well as a GUI Live CD before - was primarily an installer. Now, however, they do have an experimental version which is apparently designed to be a more full blown GUI Live CD ala Knoppix. It is not yet very autoconfiguring for the GUI and this is what was giving me some problems until I saw some helpful comments at a Gentoo PPC forum. Following are the details that finally got the GUI going.

    1. Download the G3G4 ISO :
    http://www.metadistribution.org/gentoo/experime nta l/2004.0/32bit/livecd/kde-gnome/g3g4.iso dated 11-Feb-2004 (664M)
    2. Boot the CD by holding down the 'c' key while restarting.
    3. When asked use 'root' as the user with no password
    4. Once the kernel is up, type ' Xeasyconf ' - note upper case 'X'
    -Let Xeasyconf attempt to figure out your settings
    -My iBook has an ATI RageM3 video but the ATI Rage choice did not work for the iBook - it almost did, had problems with Horizontal sync.
    -Use the Framebuffer choice for the iBook. Use the autoconfigured settings for everything else.
    5. At this point typing startx brings up a black screen with 3 working Xwindows terminal windows and Xclock
    6. Instead of doing step 5, type ' nano /etc/rc.conf ' . This allows you to change environment variables - For Gnome, edit out the comment symbol (#) in 2 places and use 'gdm' and 'Gnome'
    - If you prefer KDE, edit out the comment symbol (#) in 2 places and use 'kdm' and 'kde-3.2.0'
    - Save the changes
    7. - To get a LAN working assuming a dhcp network
    - for ethernet - type 'dhcpcd eth0'
    - for airport - type 'dhcpcd eth1'
    8. Type ' startx '
    9. To end and restart in OSX type 'shutdown -r now'

    The Gentoo environment is very Mac like and smooth looking. The kde environment has more tools. Some apps work, some dont
  • by torpor (458) <<moc.liamg> <ta> <musibi>> on Wednesday November 03, 2004 @10:30AM (#10710429) Homepage Journal
    or at least the one on the PPC Ubuntu CD I downloaded after that same article .. and I used it to install Ubuntu on a spare partition on my aging tiBooks' disk, and its a dual-boot fantasy machine, finally.

    linux+OSX, easy as pie. But maybe I skipped the "LiveCD"-ness of it?

    can't say i like the debian'ness, but its nice to have linux on PPC, and have it be at least as smooth an install as OSX is ...
  • Boot CD (Score:5, Informative)

    by kfs27 (261031) on Wednesday November 03, 2004 @11:02AM (#10710748) Homepage
    there is a simple shareware called BootCD that will take any OSX box and make a bootable CD from the OS and u can choose what apps you want to be included on the disc then burn it.

    Takes about 10 minutes to boot depending on the speed of the machine but it's a great way to diagnose machines if you don't have a spare firewire drive laying around.
    • Have you any experience on if you can take an image from a G5 and use it on a G4? I've been toying with the idea of using BootCD to make some headless systems that boot from CD to take part in a distributed computing project. Take advantage of spare CPU cycles as the systems pass through my hands. Here is my vision.
      1. Insert DVD
      2. Boot Mac
      3. Without user input, boot up and start application.
      4. Profit!

      Optimaly, I'd have one DVD image for every mac. I have Powerbooks, G5s and G4s to deal with, so having one ima

      • Re:Boot CD (Score:3, Informative)

        by NatasRevol (731260)
        Generally, OS X is very backward compatible with all previous hardware. If you use a commercially bought copy of OS X and updated it on the newest hardware, instead of a CD that came with a specific, especially new, model of i/PowerMac/book, you can be pretty sure that it will run on most any supported hardware.

        Makes it nice and relatively quick when you're re-imaging hundreds of different models of older Macs.
      • Didn't I just answer this on <a href="http://www.livejournal.com/community/macosx/ 3137624.html?style=mine">livejournal</a>?

        And the poster next to mine is half correct. Sometimes OS X specific CD's ship with macs, but the the machine specific part is only in the OS loader for the cd ie, if you run the installer's off the cd through the installer app instead of booting of the cd, you're fine.
  • by silicon not in the v (669585) on Wednesday November 03, 2004 @11:27AM (#10710967) Journal
    From the summary:
    Looking around for PPC live CD's that support modern hardware (
    like a G5 ) and demo modern versions of KDE and Gnome has proven fruitless so far.
    *BA DUM CHING* Thank you, thank you. I'll be refreshing this page all week. Don't forget to mod up your waitress.

    I wonder if he even knew the pun he was making.
  • Gentoo Torrents (Score:3, Informative)

    by anourkey (676478) on Wednesday November 03, 2004 @03:55PM (#10715697)
    Gentoo seems to have an Xlivecd posted on their torrent site near the bottom.
    http://tracker.netdomination.org [netdomination.org]
  • Debian sarge (Score:3, Informative)

    by joelhayhurst (655022) on Wednesday November 03, 2004 @05:14PM (#10716690)

    There is a Live CD net install for Debian sarge ("testing"). It uses the new installer and is very nice. I have it as a dual-boot on my PowerBook.

    Debian net installer page [debian.org]

    • I followed the link you provided filled with excitation but what I found is just the official net-install debian cds.
      When talking about a live distro I assume you do not have to write on your hard disk in anyway to acces the full power of that distribution.
      On the other hand a netinst image is designed to let you run just the installer and little else so hardly qualify to be a live cd.
      I am really looking forward a live distribution fully compatible with debian (knoppix has a lot of issues if you try to apt-
  • Is there any PPC Linux (Live CD or otherwise) that will work on a Blue G3 that has SCSI (most of them had ATA interface but they made a few with SCSI)? I've been messing with one on and off over the last year, with several distros to no avail. It's been a few months but as I recall the machine would not even boot from the CDs.
  • NETBSD (Score:3, Interesting)

    by bobba22 (566693) on Thursday November 04, 2004 @03:27AM (#10721255) Journal
    Since you didn't specify that you want a Linux live CD, I thought I'd mention that netbsd do a ppc bootable CD. I'm in the process of checking it out and will reply to myself later whether it's worth bothering.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Find it at:

    http://lwn.net/Articles/108720/

    It's subscriber-only content this week but should be available to all next week (I think...)
  • CRUX PPC (Score:1, Informative)

    by carboncopy79 (619156)

    Anybody tried CRUX PPC [sunsite.dk]?

    It is small and neat. BSD like /etc/rc.d scripts. The ISO disk is only about 280Mbyte

  • Rock Linux (Score:3, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 04, 2004 @02:57PM (#10727307)
    There's also Rock Linux for PPC,

    http://www.rocklinux.org/powerpc.html [rocklinux.org]

    with a Live CD for PPC here

    http://www.rocklinux.org/149.html [rocklinux.org]

    Regards, Walter.

  • by Orien (720204) on Thursday November 04, 2004 @09:40PM (#10731161)
    A couple of people have mentioned the gentoo live cd for PPC, but I'm comfused about that. I tried that once and all it seemed to be was enough of a command prompt to install to disk. Most of the standard commands were missing, and there certainly wasn't any GUI. Was I doing something wrong, or has the live CD come farther along since then? I don't want to waste my bandwidth downloading it if it hasn't changed any.
  • Any chance that any of these will work with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse?

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