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What is the Tech Jobs Situation in Late 2004? 1138

CareerConfused asks: "Today I came across an ad in the NY Times, put out by Microsoft, Micron, Level 3 (among others) that claimed that the H-1B visa quota for FY2005 has already expired (it claims the quota expired the first day of FY2005, which started just about a month back). OK. On the one hand, we have stories of techies not finding jobs; and on the other, we have stories from businesses which claim that lack of H1s is killing their business, as well as public advocacy (like that ad in NYT). So, what is it? Are we in another boom, with jobs going a-begging and companies requiring more H1s to fill them? How come I haven't noticed this in the form of a fatter paycheck (or an Aeron chair, or a fooseball table in the cubicle)?" What have you experienced in your searches for technology-based jobs? Is it still hard to sell your hard-earned skills or are things looking up?
While its one thing to claim that the lack of H1Bs is killing your business because Americans don't want to move to Fort Wayne, Indiana. It's quite another to say that you can't find a job in Silicon Valley. What's needed is an overall view of how tech jobs are doing across the country. What areas are in desperate need of technical skills and what areas are suffering from a shortage of jobs?
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What is the Tech Jobs Situation in Late 2004?

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  • by sjalex ( 757770 ) on Friday November 19, 2004 @01:37PM (#10865683)
    Houston market stinks. Maybe still holdover from enron, I don't know.
  • they're doing fine (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 19, 2004 @01:38PM (#10865686)
    i have no problems finding a job in Atlanta, GA
  • by CrankyFool ( 680025 ) on Friday November 19, 2004 @01:39PM (#10865701)
    In the Bay Area, at least, the three datapoints I have are:
    1. Google's still screaming for people to join them (well, OK, they then axe highly-competent people during their interview process, but I'm sure it's for the best :) );
    2. When I was looking for a job in late August, I ended up in a competitive bidding situation between two companies;
    3. The company for which I work now (which has a fabulous environment, IMHO), is looking to hire people, so far with no great success. Of course, we're also looking for pretty decent people :)

    It's getting better, I think.
  • Jobs (Score:2, Informative)

    by mcb123 ( 647791 ) on Friday November 19, 2004 @01:40PM (#10865715)
    Here in NYC, there are definately more/better jobs out there. But I'm still waiting for the pay levels to recover.
  • by ajboyle ( 547708 ) on Friday November 19, 2004 @01:41PM (#10865736)
    Things have been the opposite for me for the past 3 years than for most other software engineers. I was layed off in mid 2001, but immediately found work. I have since quit that job and the one after after finding better opportunities. I'm making far more money than ever now. Not to say that this has been the case for my friends and coworkers, but opportunities still abound in my experience. If you're willing to work hard and network, there's a lot of opportunities available.
  • No no no.... (Score:3, Informative)

    by GoMMiX ( 748510 ) on Friday November 19, 2004 @01:42PM (#10865748)
    It's not that there aren't enough people to fill the IT jobs in the US - or that companies are even actually TRYING to fill those jobs with US Employees...

    What it IS, is that companies want to fill CURRENT US Jobs (Hear: YOUR job) with an H1 worker who will work for less pay...

    Want a better job? Quit, denounce your citizenship in the US, move to India - file for H1B visa and wait for the 2006 roundup. HA!

    Seriously, though - in a previous /. article it was noted that in 2003 (I beleive) there were less then 20,000 IT jobs created - yet 60,000 H1B workers were brought in? Now, lets see.... 60,000 - 20,000... 1+1 /2 *6 = ahh $#@% IT!
  • by Svartalf ( 2997 ) on Friday November 19, 2004 @01:42PM (#10865754) Homepage
    There's some increase in hiring going about and I've been getting some cold-calls from recruiters again (seems to go on six month cycles- contracts and all...). All in all, though, times are still a little tough here in Dallas/Ft. Worth. It's been the worst downturn I've seen in the 2 decades I've been at working in the Tech industry.
  • by kevin_conaway ( 585204 ) on Friday November 19, 2004 @01:43PM (#10865757) Homepage
    In the Washingtion D.C. metropolitan area, things are doing well. I received my job right out of college and know others who did the same. This area never really seems to be affected like the rest of the country. Jobs are especially plentiful if you have a clearance of some sort.

    Actually...everything I just said is a lie. There are no jobs in D.C. or Northern Virginia. Stay away.
  • by PIPBoy3000 ( 619296 ) on Friday November 19, 2004 @01:45PM (#10865784)
    I've worked for a healthcare organization for the last eight years and salaries and hiring do seem to be going up. There's a huge demand for electronic systems in healthcare, so that's at least one IT market that's doing well.

    The tricky part is hiring well qualified individuals, which seem harder to pick up these days. I'd recommend the field for anyone looking for a job. Healthcare organizations are pretty stable during economic downturns (people still get sick) and you get to feel like you're making a real difference in people's lives.
  • by Skyshadow ( 508 ) * on Friday November 19, 2004 @01:53PM (#10865900) Homepage
    The Bay Area isn't all that expensive once you accept that the housing market is completely blown out of control at the moment and you almost certainly can't afford to buy a house.

    There are a few other high items (gas is expensive), but beyond that things can be had here for the same price or lower than elsewhere in the country. And Bay Area salaries *are* higher than elsewhere, not to mention that this place is where all the tech companies are. If you're cool with renting, living here isn't out of reach by any means.

  • by 1984 ( 56406 ) on Friday November 19, 2004 @01:53PM (#10865906)
    Not quite that simple. If you're an H-1B you do have the nasty stick of "if we fire you you have to go home" but they can't pay you less than the going rate for a given job. Part of the application process is telling the Department of Labor the details of the job for which you're hiring, and they tell you the minimum you're allowed to pay for it. You then must pay the applicant what you already offered him, or what the DoL specified -- whichever is higher.

    Of course the system is gamed, but it's not as if there are no mechanisms to prevent sweatshop hiring.
  • by Wingchild ( 212447 ) <brian.kern@gmail.com> on Friday November 19, 2004 @01:53PM (#10865915)
    A friend of mine came back from an eight-month backpacking romp through Europe recently. While that sounds like a lot of fun (and is, if you have the time and money to spend on it), it's not the best move for your career when your career is in the ever-changing world of tech. Despite being a talented interface designer, she came back home to find that the software and methods she was using was no longer the standard - new techniques had been developed and better ways of managing content had presented themselves. Basically she came home to find the tech playing field had moved on without her, and was unable to find a job as nice as the one she left.

    Solution: retrain! She went out to some temp agencies and farmed her resume around, then taught herself Visio when a client requested it. She spent the last few weeks down in the District building contacts and making money while working on a Post Office project. If you want jobs, you can find jobs - just don't expect people to throw money into your lap as per the bubble-days of the 90s.

    For those not in the know, a security clearance is a pre-punched meal-ticket - and you don't have to be in DC or Virginia. If you're able to find work with someone who's willing to sponsor your security clearance process, and you've no particular qualms about working for The Man, take it. A Secret clearance will keep you employed anywhere in the nation. A Top Secret brings a higher salary and even more options to choose from, though laying hands on one is sometimes more a matter of fate than desire.
  • by orac2 ( 88688 ) on Friday November 19, 2004 @01:54PM (#10865926)
    They found out that you can either hire a domestic techie for 50-80k/yr or hire an imported techie for 25-35k/yr.

    If that's happening, then you already have legal options without needing new legislation for tariff's on imported labor: H-1B's are, by law, supposed to be paid in line with US workers -- one of the hurdles in getting a H-1B is getting the state's department of labor to sign off that the wage level is kosher. Most of the stories you here about dramatically underpaid foreign H1-B's turn out to be urban legends.

    I was a H1-B for six years, and I was always paid in line with U.S. workers, both at my company and in the industry in general.
  • by GillBates0 ( 664202 ) on Friday November 19, 2004 @01:55PM (#10865939) Homepage Journal
    They found out that you can either hire a domestic techie for 50-80k/yr or hire an imported techie for 25-35k/yr.

    As noted in a footnote to the article), U.S. employers *must* pay foreign workers the prevailing wage for their job fields and show that qualified U.S. workers are not being passed over.

    In my experience the BCIS (formerly INS) has pretty stringent about these requirements and as a result companies end up paying H1 workers the *same* amount as they would pay a domestic worker. Please do the research or atleast RTFA.

  • by minus_273 ( 174041 ) <{aaaaa} {at} {SPAM.yahoo.com}> on Friday November 19, 2004 @01:59PM (#10865982) Journal
    Saying H1b earns less is a lie. The REQUIREMENT of H1b is that you are paid the prevaling wage for your job. You are not allowed to legally hire someone for less. When you submit the application your application you must show what the rate for the job is and that you are paying the same. If you know anyone that is paying less, then they are breaking the law.
  • by brufleth ( 534234 ) on Friday November 19, 2004 @02:11PM (#10866155)
    I got a job in the mid-west straight out of school and moved from the Boston area to the Cincinnati are. There are TONS of engineering/tech jobs here from what I gather. I talked to a co-op from an Ohio college and he said their career fairs are packed while the career fairs at my school (Boston University) was pathetic.

    Apparently the mid-west is in fact "tech-filled" at least from what I've seen. The cost of living and the cost of doing business out here is just cheaper I guess.

  • by Marxist Hacker 42 ( 638312 ) * <seebert42@gmail.com> on Friday November 19, 2004 @02:17PM (#10866247) Homepage Journal
    As noted in a footnote to the article), U.S. employers *must* pay foreign workers the prevailing wage for their job fields and show that qualified U.S. workers are not being passed over.

    Yeah- but the H-1b is a new graduate when the US techie has 10 years of experience, therefore 25k-35k is the going wage for the experience and the business still saves money. And in my experience, getting the BCIS to actually investigate anything requires several months of 8-hour-a-day work researching and showing your eveidence to different beaurucrats.

    In my experience the BCIS (formerly INS) has pretty stringent about these requirements and as a result companies end up paying H1 workers the *same* amount as they would pay a domestic worker. Please do the research or atleast RTFA.

    http://www.ortech.org/ [ortech.org] has a spreadsheet where they show that Intel pays it's H-1bs EXACTLY 90%(Minimum Going Wage For Entry Level)+$1- in over 4000 Labor Condition Applications. So no- you are wrong with this conclusion.
  • Re:I don't get it. (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 19, 2004 @02:20PM (#10866290)
    Look, you're both assholes. Now shut the fuck up.
  • by YomikoReadman ( 678084 ) <[jasonathelen] [at] [gmail.com]> on Friday November 19, 2004 @02:24PM (#10866358) Journal
    Having grown up military, I can say from a much more personal perspective that while during times of war, the ops tempo of the Armed Forces does indeed mean that you will see your family less, he was doing something wrong. My father was a Navy Officer for 18 years, and while he did indeed have positions where he was deployed up to 8-10 months out of the year, the services themselves provide an outstanding support structure for spouses and families of deployed personnel.

    If he was having issues as severe as you make them out to be, then I can really only find the fault to lie with him and his now ex-wife for not making any attempt to solve the issues at hand. In all truth, most enlisted personnel will have a more stable career, with fewer PCS moves over the course of a 20 year career, due to the requirement for longer time spent at a duty station before you are eligible to apply for a new assignment.

    While I do agree wholeheartedly that the military is not the answer for everyone, which is why it remains an all volunteer force, and will most likely stay that way for purposes of maintaining morale and espirit de corps, anyone who is consider joining or is the SO of someone who is already enlisted really needs to spend a lot of time thinking about whether or not they can handle this unique and IMO, rewarding style of life.

    As a disclaimer, I enlisted 2 years ago, as USAF Comm-Comp Programming. I've never had to pick up butts, do weeds&seeds, or run a buffer. To date I've worked with Oracle Forms/Reports and Java in a J2EE environment. But, as I mentioned earlier, it really isn't for everyone. Seems to me like it wasn't for your current wife.

  • Point to the jobs (Score:3, Informative)

    by Skapare ( 16644 ) on Friday November 19, 2004 @02:29PM (#10866439) Homepage

    Put your hyperlink where your mouth is, and point to the jobs. That can be either on your company website careers section (don't expect people to find it via google for quite a while), or the listings at your preferred online job site if you do that kind of thing. Otherwise we'll assume you're just blowing smoke like most of the corporate executives are doing.

  • by Mr_Icon ( 124425 ) on Friday November 19, 2004 @02:31PM (#10866470) Homepage
    See, managers wised up. They found out that you can either hire a domestic techie for 50-80k/yr or hire an imported techie for 25-35k/yr.

    It doesn't work that way. There are laws in place that forbid companies from hiring foreign workers at a lower wage than local force. Any company doing what you describe is breaking the law.

    Have you ever considered that some of us are just BETTER than locals for the job offered?

  • by sf_basilix ( 821795 ) on Friday November 19, 2004 @02:32PM (#10866489)
    I've read an article somewhere that companies are falsifying IT jobs to make it seem as though there is a huge need for IT, when in fact there isn't. They're only looking for low-payed employees that they can work ridiculous hours. I remember in that article they actually called the companies with the job postings and some ridiculously high percentage of the jobs were either already filled or closed. I have to dig up that article and re-post here. Keep an eye out for something soon....
  • by badmammajamma ( 171260 ) on Friday November 19, 2004 @02:49PM (#10866746)
    Dude, you have no fucking idea what you're talking about. How you got modded up to a 5 is beyond my imagination.

    If you're gonna shoot out numbers at least endeaver to make them remotely accurate. The visa caps varied over the last six years:

    1998 65000
    1999 115000
    2000 195000
    2001 195000
    2002 195000
    2003 65000
    2004 65000

    This gives us a total of 895,000 total H1Bs over the last six years. I'll be generous and use your figure that only 60% were IT specific, which gives us: 537,000. Now, you idiotically compared your total figure to the number of people in this country to come to the conclusion that your 270k number (which I've already proven is completely wrong) is statistically insignificant. Your comparison is retarded. That 300 million includes people who don't even try to work, like INFANTS for example.

    Why don't you compare it to the number of IT workers in the country? Here, let me do it for you: there are roughly 3.3 million IT workers and 537,000 H1Bs which gives us a percentage of (537k/3.3m * 100) 16.2%. Hmmm...16.2 percent doesn't seem insignificant to me. For example, if I told you not to go into a specific bar because you had a 16.2% chance of having your head blown off, would you? Didn't think so.

    Oh, and before you tell me that these people are out in 3 years, think again. It costs them all of about $500 to have a lawyer get them a 3 year extension.

    Anyway, just wanted to say STFU about shit you know nothing about. Oh, and the moderators should be ashamed for modding this idiot up.
  • by Prien715 ( 251944 ) <agnosticpope@nOSPaM.gmail.com> on Friday November 19, 2004 @02:52PM (#10866797) Journal
    I'm 23, have been using/messing around with Linux/Solaris since I was 18 and have a BS in CS from University of Delaware. I currently live in Delaware. Where are these jobs? I'd be very interested if you could help me. I am willing to compensate anyone for their efforts [ashdreams.net] (that's my site/resume).
  • Silicon Valley Jobs (Score:5, Informative)

    by fupeg ( 653970 ) on Friday November 19, 2004 @02:56PM (#10866861)
    Here's how things have changed over the past couple of years, at least for one Silicon Valley company that I used to work for...
    Two years ago, the company laid off a few programmers, then six months later, gave everyone a 7% paycut so that they didn't have to lay off more programmers. People took the paycuts in stride.
    A year ago, many of the people who took paycuts, left the company. The company hired people to replace them. Lots of qualified candidates applied for the open positions, but the company actually had to pay the new people more than the people who had left the company. It took about two weeks to fill the positions.
    This past year, the company saw a huge upswing in business and needed to hire more people. The were two hiring phases, one in the spring and one in the fall. In the spring, there were lots of candidates again, but few qualified ones. The ones that were hired demanded a salary that was ~10% greater than people hired for the same position a year before. It took about six weeks to fill the positions. In the fall hiring, there were far fewer candidates and very few qualified ones. Salaries were still about 10% higher than the previous year. Not all positions have been filled after eight weeks.
  • Re:H1B needs (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 19, 2004 @03:18PM (#10867135)
    However, finding an American with Symbian experience AND the fairly heavy C++ skills we demand is rare at best.

    Well, it's pretty damn typical of IT jobs markets for there to be plenty of bright people who want to gain new skills, but no employers willing to hire them because they don't yet have the skills. Wake up already.

    We simply have a problem finding the relevant experience we need, it's that simple.

    Then grow the experience. It's that simple.
  • by Qzukk ( 229616 ) on Friday November 19, 2004 @03:22PM (#10867195) Journal
    If you're able to find work with someone who's willing to sponsor your security clearance process

    And theres the BIG IF. I found a lot of jobs where the HR would have been happy to have me, but they needed someone who could get to work right away and not sit around for 6 months pushing unimportant papers around.

    Since you can't get a clearance by yourself (why not?), you're pretty much at the mercy of the BIG IF. And trust me, if anyone shows up with the needed clearance, unless you're super wonder dog AND the other guy's brain turned to jelly in a freak accident, you're not getting the job.
  • by gminks ( 734161 ) <gminks.ginaminks@com> on Friday November 19, 2004 @03:29PM (#10867281) Homepage Journal
    There used to be a restrictions on the H1 category to protect American techies, but those went away when the H1B visa cap reverted to 65,000 a couple of years ago.



    The actual regulation says that the H1B worker must be paid at least 95% of the prevailing wage. The company can provide any prevailing wage information....even their own data.



    If you think H-1B visa workers being underpaid is an urban legend, peruse the LCA database [flcdatacenter.com] at your leisure. Look at some of the huge Indian bodyshops (they are the worst offenders at misusing US visa regulations), and decide for yourself if they are underpaying their workers ($38K for a programmer?)



    The reason the cap was hit by the first day is these bodyshop hoarde the visas, which flaunts the spirit of the visa regulations. The idea behind the H1B visas were to give employers access to specialized workers, not to allow foreign companies the ability to import their own workers while putting our domestic technical workers out to pasture.



    Oh yeah, some Congressmen are trying to attach legislation to the Omnibus spending bill that would effectively double the H1B visa cap. Read more about that at Techsunite [techsunite.org]

  • by Doctor Fishboy ( 120462 ) on Friday November 19, 2004 @03:30PM (#10867296)
    I've commented elsewhere down this tree, but just to say I share your pain. Spent 18 mo. in Cinti and hated just about all of it. Downtown is frightening, Vine just scares me, Clifton was nice though.

    To make the best of a shit place, I would recommend:

    Ambar Indian Curry house in Clifton. Simply the best Indian I've ever had, and that includes from my home country of Britain. Chicken Tikka Massala to die for.

    The Comet Pub, somewhere in the west of Cinti. Excellent Bluegrass, and they have Newcastle Brown Ale on tap, along with quite a few other beers.

    Go to the Railway Museum and check it out. Very nicely restored. Park downtown and walk across the Brooklyn Bridge (actually the prototype for the Brooklyn one) and then around the North Kentucky town, across that bridge and back up into Cinti.

    River boat cruise is definitely worth it, but this was at the end of my prison sentence(bb2dw) work there, so watching popcorn pop was relatively exciting by then, too....

    Oktoberfest over in the town across the river (can't remember its name) on the Mainstrasse, and also the Oktoberfest in downtown Cinti, but this is a lot poorer.

    That's all I could find that was notable in Cinti in 18 months. Oh! The downtown library is fairly rocking, though :)

    Good luck, I hope you make it out of there without losing your brain. Not all the midwest is that awful.

    Dr Fish
  • by nyekulturniy ( 413420 ) on Friday November 19, 2004 @03:45PM (#10867457)
    AETC = Air Education Training Command, one of the eight major commands of the U.S. Air Force, the others being:

    STRATCOM = Strategic Command, or the old SAC
    ACC = Air Combat Command
    AFSPC = Space Command
    AFSOC = Air Force Special Operations Command
    AMC = Air Mobility Command
    PACAF = U.S. Pacific Air Force
    USAFE = U.S. Air Forces Europe

    and of course, the 11th Wing, which is in DC.

    OIF = Operation Iraqi Freedom
    OEF = Operation Enduring Freedom
  • by Nintendork ( 411169 ) on Friday November 19, 2004 @03:46PM (#10867479) Homepage
    Out of curiousity, I checked some stats on the web and the server to admin ration is typically between 10 and 20 servers per admin.
  • A year ago I was living in Harrisburg, PA's tiny capital, and the only work there was State work. Only the big national companies like Deloitte and Ajilon had the ability to keep people in work, and all of the laid off programmers (including me) were fighting hard for jobs.

    So I picked up and moved to Philadelphia, and the market's completely different. The last two companies I've worked for cannot find enough qualified people to fill the positions they have open. The first company spent 3 months looking for candidates without much luck, and we're a month into our search here.

    Philadelphia's no great shakes, in my opinion, but the pay is great (even with the higher taxes) and the companies are on the whole good to their employees.

    I'm glad I made the move. I think things are picking up, but this time around, management is more cautious about who they hire and how many people they hire. That's a good thing. And the poster who wants to see the "big" perks like fancy chairs and swedish go-go dancers at every desk needs to get a clue. The work you're doing should have its own intrinsic value to you, which is why you do it. You shouldn't be getting the job just because you like the perks.
  • by Fla ( 752255 ) <thehumanfla.hotmail@com> on Friday November 19, 2004 @03:48PM (#10867505)
    As one of the people doing some hiring and who employs a diverse group of people, including H1B's, I can say that they're not all that much cheaper, at least where we are. I haven't even seen an H1B come across my desk at 50k or less.

    When hiring we do look for the technical skills, but more important than that is the candidate's work experience:
    -What type of development have they done?
    -What kind of systems have they developed?
    -Can they communicate well enough to speak with business users?
    -Do they have any experience working in our industry (financial)?
    -Do they have any additional schooling or business certifications (NOT MCSE, MCSD, or similar) that would be of use?

    In the latest round of hiring, it has taken anywhere from 15-30 interviews before we find someone to fill a position. That's not including the resumes that we reject outright and those that our recruiters filter out before we even see them.

    It's true that employers are picky, but I believe they have also realied that IT Development is a unique environment in that one highly skilled developer can sometimes be more effective than 5 or more average developers. The fact is that we have significantly raised our standards for the people we are willing to hire.
  • by digitalgiblet ( 530309 ) on Friday November 19, 2004 @03:54PM (#10867592) Homepage Journal
    I almost dropped out of college and enlisted back during the '80s. What stopped me was the most important semicolon of my life...

    The Army Guarantee, guarantees IN WRITING the job of your choice; depending upon availability at the MEPS center at time of arival.

    That isn't an exact quote (it was the '80s after all), but it is pretty darn close.

    In other words the Army guarantees to give you whatever job they damned well choose.

    I'm not opposed to the military at all, and had Sept. 11 just occurred, I would have definitely signed up. But at the time I decided that I wasn't willing to hang my future on that semicolon...

  • by Emor dNilapasi ( 455542 ) on Friday November 19, 2004 @04:21PM (#10868040)
    I live outside Boston, and from where I sit the situation is not good at all. It seems that local tech companies are still laying off people, and there's a glut of talent (or at least resumes) out there. I've been developing software since 1980 (multiple languages, multiple OS's, multiple environments), I'm pretty good at it, I've got two headhunters working with/for me and I *STILL* am basically retired. Most of my friends who still have tech jobs hate them, but are afraid to leave because they fear they won't be able to find something else. And most of my friends who HAD tech jobs are either working in another field or have left the area. Supposedly the job market has picked up in this area, but from what I've seen I'm not convinced.
  • by JoloK ( 728770 ) on Friday November 19, 2004 @05:10PM (#10868722)
    I recently left Seattle in part due to the huge rate of competition for even the lowliest IT jobs. I was pleasantly surprised, upon arriving in Nashville, TN, that three different employers were avidly hiring, and that I was able to secure a position with a company my first week in town. I was up against 425 other techies for the last Seattle position I applied and interviewed for.
  • from Seattle (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 19, 2004 @05:21PM (#10868907)
    The pacific northwest has been hit pretty bad. Seattle is pretty dry at this point. Boeing is shipping jobs overseas and Microsoft is doubling hiring in India and has signed contracts with other outsourcing firms. The Eastside has been hit and homes in my new neighborhood are being sold for less than what I bought a year ago.
  • by mrnick ( 108356 ) on Friday November 19, 2004 @07:27PM (#10870547) Homepage
    I was laid off from Compaq, along with my entire team, when the word of the HP / Compaq merger came out and I had to do a bunch of short-term jobs while being mostly unemployed for nearly a year. I took a 6 month contract in San Antonio that I had to relocate for, at my own expense, and they just offered me to go full time making nearly $55K/year less than what I was making at my contract rate so I had to decline. I heard through full time employees that they stated in an all hands meeting that they were going to try and pick up contractors at rock bottom prices due to the state of the IT market. They have extended my contract, open ended, but I expect to get a call any day.

    Lucky for me I used the money from the 7 months I have been on this contract to become debt free so it opens up my options such as going back to school and pursuing a masters. Heck I might stay in school for as long as it takes for the market to improve.

    I have a ton of great experience but there are a lot of people looking for jobs so job searching is very competitive. I suggest if you have a job try hanging on to it. If you want to go the military route then go Air Force that way you won't see combat. I might look at this as an option but am too old for enlistment.

    Please feel free to take a look at my resume at http://www.nickpowers.info (html, MS Word, and text versions available there) and pass it along to anyone you think might be interested. I am willing to relocate anywhere for the right position.

    Nick Powers
  • by Darth_Burrito ( 227272 ) on Friday November 19, 2004 @07:53PM (#10870762)
    This is exactly what happened at the last company I worked for. They went through a hiring phase where a policy of the parent company preferred US citizens over H1Bs. Several citizens were hired and it turned out we were expected to work 50 hour weeks in lulls. When a project came along we were working 12 hour days plus frequent weekends. The US citizens became very, shall we say, disgruntled. The H1B's were already unhappy, but I think the vocalness of the citizens may have riled them up more than they might have otherwise been. Anyways, I quit around 7 months in. Everyone else who could quit did within a few months on either side of me. Even one of the H1B's quit. The company lost over half the department that way.

    But to answer your question, IT workers aren't exempt for any of the reasons you might think. They are exempt because they are usually salaried and make far more than the minimum amount required for salaried workers to be exempt. I, uh, did some research and contacted the state department of labor. I had thought the exemption was $250/week, but now I'm seeing sources that put it elsewhere. Anyways, it is low for salaried workers. Read here [cnn.com] for more details.

    For non-salaried IT staff, there's some clause that got added to the Fair Labor Standard Act many years ago that put us into a professional category that allows us to be exempt. IMO - for what I do it's a justified classification when compared to the other job types in the group. The exact wording might be a little to broad/vague, including things like tech support, it's been a while since I read it.
  • Drive a trash truck. (Score:4, Informative)

    by rice_burners_suck ( 243660 ) on Friday November 19, 2004 @08:20PM (#10870995)
    When I realized that technology just ain't working out for me over here, I got into a completely different business... Garbage truck driving.

    Yeah, you can laugh all you want. But being a union worker, I get paid more money than I did working on a computer, and the benefits are all there. Yeah, it smells kind of bad and shit, but who cares. It's easy money. Then, I go home and work out my complex investing problems using Mathematica and I make more money by investing in all kinds of instruments. It works pretty well.

  • Only in Fantasy Land (Score:3, Informative)

    by DarkEdgeX ( 212110 ) on Friday November 19, 2004 @08:41PM (#10871166) Journal
    Microsoft, Micron and whoever else sponsored that ad need to put down the bong and back away slowly.

    I've been mostly out of work for almost 3 years now (I have "work", but I'm what most people would call "underemployed") since I got laid off from my last job (which filed chapter 7 shortly after it laid me and all my co-workers off, then failed to give us our severance pay or other promised bonuses for staying on during the non-liquidation bankruptcy (chapter 13 isn't it?)).

    I was, at the time, living in the Seattle/Bellevue/Redmond area of Washington state and I still don't see any kind of response to job applications. Back in 2000 when I was looking for a new job it was vastly different-- I'd put my resume on some job sites (e.g. - Monster.com, etc) and I'd get 2-3 calls a day. I don't get any cold calls now in response to my resume, and what few responses I do get to job apps don't usually even lead to an interview (because they hired someone before me, usually).

    More H1-B visas? Maybe when there's no Americans to fill the jobs. And no, a shortage of C# programmers (when you have a flood of C/C++ programmers that could be retrained fairly easily) does not count to me. That they want someone who knows 8 specific technologies (and lists them as "required") tells me they're trying to flood the statistics to make it look like there's a shortage of workers here in the U.S.

    Oddly enough, I imagine the politicians will cave and up the number of H1-B's. Though I suppose the alternative is worse-- if they don't up the number of H1-B's then the companies will just outsource the jobs entirely.. lose-lose all around.

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