Which Cell Phones & Networks for SSH? 81
muffinresearch asks: "I've been thinking about picking up a new PDA/Smartphone in the seasonal sales, I am finding a lack of more technical information with regards to being able to use SSH software via GPRS. Now as far as I can see, the Treo 600, and the Sony-Ericsson P900/P910i can all use third-party SSH clients.However what is lacking here in the UK is info on which networks allow access on port 22, and whether this access requires a pay-monthly account or can you do it on a Pay-as-you-go account? I'm reckoning some of you will have useful info on what is working for you as far as phones and networks that do SSH, and your experiences in practice. Happy New Year to all!"
Re:Why don't you... (Score:2)
Idokorro (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Idokorro (Score:3, Informative)
2) He can find clients; his question asks which services have Port 22 access, or which have people used successfully for SSH.
Re:Idokorro (Score:1)
SSH is almost impossible to use on this phone, as the processor is not fast.. but wait.. the 9300/9500 communicators (same price range) are much faster, as I have/am beta testing a 9300 now.. and WOW.. everything is fast!!
Re:Idokorro (Score:2)
' ssh -2 -X -l $USERNAME -c blowfish 10.0.0.0 $* '
Re:Idokorro (Score:2)
what you need.. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:what you need.. (Score:1)
Series 60 (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Series 60 (Score:2, Informative)
I can easily use Pine and Irssi [irssi.org] in my Unix screen. Actually I've found that using the phone's own mail client is much clumsier.
Small screen of 6600 is surprisingly no problem. The only limitation is slow text input. T9 helps you to input fast normal text, but finding some special characters may take a while. The developers of Symbian Putty have been re
ugh. (Score:3, Insightful)
http://www.google.com/search?q=cell+phone+ssh&sou
Re:ugh. (Score:2)
Re:ugh. (Score:4, Insightful)
Ping Times (Score:5, Insightful)
Myself, I'm using my UMTS Motorola A845 phone as a usb modem, I can still take calls while I vpn and ssh out. Gives me about 3 hours combo surf/talk time before I need to charge, so I leave it plugged in at my desk while I do both.
Nice thing, no matter how much filtering IT does, I just route out over my phone connection... BTW, jerks are filtering some slashdot urls.
Also, While those GPRS phones are only Voice or Data at once, UMTS lets me do both at the same time, I dont have to quit my data session. I havnt tried the bluetooth, but been wanting to see how my pocketpc can ssh out while im on the phone.
UMTS is great, glad that its starting to go nation wide. DO and VO products just are not what you want.
Re:Ping Times (Score:2)
--Robert
When someone near me is on their cell phone... (Score:2, Funny)
and then they glare at me. Is that what you meant?
Re:When someone near me is on their cell phone... (Score:2)
Danger Hiptop (Score:3, Interesting)
The device is $200 and you pay $20/month for unlimited data services. You have to add a voice plan to that; the cheapest is another $10/month, making the device $30/month (1 year commitment).
Re:Danger Hiptop (Score:2)
Re:Danger Hiptop (Score:3, Interesting)
I have the T-Mobile Sidekick and I can say that it's a great feeling being able to SSH on my cellphone without worrying about the enormous monthly fees associated with other carriers.
But there are a few downsides. The main one is that T-Mobile service is pretty bad in many places, including Los Angeles, where I live. When it works, it's great. When it
Re:Danger Hiptop (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Danger Hiptop (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Danger Hiptop (Score:2)
I think what matters is not the total number of applications, but that it gets the job done. And when it comes to mobile Internet access, I think the Hiptop still beats any of the Palm, Windows, Symbian, or Blackberry-based offerings.
But it's quite clumsy as a phone (have to open it up to dial numbers - or selected them from a list on the phone using an awkward scroll whe
Re:Danger Hiptop (Score:2)
I was with you up to this point.
I like the scroll wheel. It's not perfect, but the UI on the Hiptop is far superior to the waggle-wheel on the blackberry and the pinhead-keys on the Treo (though there are TONS more apps for the Treo).
Other comments about Hiptops and T-Mobile are right on. Spotty service, mostly-good (or better) customer service), cheap phone if you buy on Amazon with voice service. The phone part is a good phone, though it is pretty much impossible to use while driving
Re:Danger Hiptop (Score:2)
Re:Danger Hiptop (Score:2)
Well, I guess you won't be buying one. Most other people don't care (hell, I don't even use its organizer functions).
Re:Danger Hiptop (Score:2)
The SSH client supports multiple simultaneous sessions, SSH2, Telnet, and "raw" modes, up to 999 line scrollback, saving login information (with or without passwords), multiple font styles, vt100, ANSI, xterm, and 'linux' terminal emulation (but alas, not alternate ports). T-Mobile does not block port 22 and I've had great success logging in remotely to m
I don't. I use Shell-in-a-Box (Score:1, Informative)
Java applet that does a login shell on my box using CGI. (Very cool, check out the page above.) I use SSL to encrypt the connection.
I also have to borrow someone's computer when I do it -- when I'm out and about.
Re:I don't. I use Shell-in-a-Box (Score:2)
PuTTY on Series 60 (Score:2)
Re:PuTTY on Series 60 (Score:1)
Re:PuTTY on Series 60 (Score:2)
putty & a 6600
was great to be sat on a campsite in cornwall @ 10pm, getting a text from work and me ssh'ing into the server and sorting it out without moving
O2 gprs
the bluetooth keyboard doesn't help that much, you have to enter text into putty one line at a time through a dialog box
options
not quiet like using a keyboard at a prompt and certainly not very curses friendly
with the added benefit that agile messenger wor
Pssh works great on my Orange contract Treo 600 (Score:1)
No port restrictions (Score:2)
We were able to boot up Kazaa and get leeching (of course, it nearly killed everyone else's connection at the same time).
Puuty for symbian OS ? (Score:1)
PuTTY is a free SSH client developed by Simon Tatham and others. This page contains a port to the Symbian OS, with support for Series 60 (Nokia 3650, 6600, and N-Gage) and Nokia 9200 Communicator series (Nokia 9210, 9210i, and 9290). The current version contains SSH protocol support, terminal emulation, and a basic user interface. More documentation is available in the distribution.
I would check out the docs if I were you.
not cingular (Score:2)
Re:not cingular (Score:2)
Other than for documentation/support helping you to initially set these things up, both are functions of your phone rather than your cell provider.
I just got a Sony Ericsson T610, running on the Fido network hre in Canada. They aren't Mac friendly from what I can see (they provide no mention of it anywhere in their documentation or online), and provide very little Bluetooth information, but I was still able to get full connectivity between my T610 and my Power
Re:not cingular (Score:1)
Re:not cingular (Score:2)
Try this. Go into System Preferences -> Network -> Bluetooth (or whatever connection type you're using) -> PPP -> PPP Options, and disable "Send PPP Echo Packets".
Apparently this is a somewhat common problem when using GPRS connections o Mac OS X. I was experiencing similar disconnections before I found this tip online.
HTH!
Yaz.
Re:not cingular (Score:1)
Re:not cingular (Score:2)
I'm glad to hear this helped you out. Feel free to drop me a line if you run into any other problems -- I'm fairly new at this myself, but am happy to share my experiences.
Yaz.
Re:not cingular (Score:1)
RiM's blackberry's (Score:2)
Orange pay as you go (Score:2, Informative)
The Orange pay as you go GPRS "extra" seems to allow all ports.
I've used SSH and IRC and AIM and others over it with no problem (apart from the hideous latency mentioned by others). This is with a Zaurus SL-5500 and a T68. The guy at the support desk who I asked before I got it said that I wouldn't be able to unless I was contract, he lied :-P.
One thing to watch out for if you use linux is that the networks (at least orange and t-mobile) ignore LCP echo requests, which makes your connection time out aft
Consider a Pocket PC Phone (Score:3, Informative)
Verizon BroadbandAccess (Score:2)
It's ~400kbps with decent (~200ms) latency. When you aren't in a EV-DO area, it drops back to the ~80kbps 1xRTT standard, still with decent (~500ms) latency.
$80 a month for unlimited data. You can get a discount if you are using it with a PDA and not a PC.
Sprint is only 15$ a month (Score:1)
Re:Sprint is only 15$ a month (Score:1)
I'll pay more for a reliable connection from Verizon, thanks.
Re:Verizon BroadbandAccess (Score:2)
Experience of ssh over gprs worldwide (Score:5, Interesting)
I usually don't need/want a laptop when I am traveling so I initially went the PDA+cellphone way.
I have used my old Zaurus SL-5000D with a bluetooth CF-card and a triband SonyEricsson cellphone (T68i, then T630) to ssh into my european servers from Europe (UK, Italy, NL), the US (NYC, LA), Asia (HK, Cambodia, Thailand) and even from Japan, using a rented blutooth-enabled cellphone.
It has always worked flawlessly. I never had any problem with blocked 22 port or anything like that in any of these countries.
I considered the Treo 600 very seriously, but I will stick to my current PDA+cellphone solution. In Japan the Treo would be as useless as my Sony-Ericsson. But it is a lot easier to rent a simple bluetooth-enabled cellphone and use my usual PDA than it would be to rent an integrated local smartphone with an ssh client.
For the networks questions, there are more problems : if the cost is not important (company paid for instance), just use the roaming partners of your cellphone company : the big european players (Vodafone, Orange, T-mobile) usually try to have at least one partner allowing data in every country (be it over gprs or gsm). But it is expensive, and the costs are very difficult to predict. So if you want to optimize, you have to buy pay-as-you-go plans in every country, being careful to choose plans allowing data. You usually have to pay a premium for data but it is a lot cheaper than simply roaming.
The biggest problem then becomes to choose the right simcard from you (huge) collection depending on the place where you are. It can sometimes be tricky like : So I am in Cambodia near the Thailand border and I don't have any Cambodian pay-as-you-go plan. Choices are using my 12Call simcard because i am not far from Thailand and I can see their network from here, or using my SmarTone simcard, roaming through a local network to HongKong, or simply use the local roaming partner of my european network. Which one would be the cheapest??? The answer, found by trying, was using my HongKong pay-as-you-go plan (SmarTone). Please don't ask me why.
Just my two euro-cents.
Re:Experience of ssh over gprs worldwide (Score:2)
You are aware that you could just have bought (or rented) a local SIM card and use it with your foreign phone? That's usually very easy to do (Thai phone companies used to block foreign phones from using their SIM's, but they changed their mind about that years ago).
I spend a year travelling in 2001/2002 and I had good results using a Nokia 92
ATT/Cingular & Nokia 6820 (Score:4, Informative)
When I need to use SSH and don't have my laptop, I use MIDP SSH [xk72.com], which is free and "good enough." Ideally I'd wish for a bigger screen only. (From your cellphone: http://www.xk72.com/wap [xk72.com])
I've found mobiledia.com's forums [mobiledia.com] to be quite helpful also.
no problems with treo 600 and Cingular (Score:1)
SprintPCS + Treo600 + pssh (Score:2)
I should also mention PalmVNC [palmvnc2.free.fr]. The bandwidth limitation
O2 OK in UK (Score:1)
o2, laptop, Bluetooth & Corkscrew (Score:1)
I've also used proxytunnel [sourceforge.net] not sure which I prefer.
[1] Fine when using GNU Screen [gnu.org] on the remote system
Downsides (Score:3, Informative)
I've used both the Symbian PuTTY port and various palm SSH apps. They work, but there are some significant problems:
-Latency is huge (I've seen over 2000ms). You'd better type it correctly the first time.
-Input is difficult, particularly when you need non-alphanumberic characters (pipe, braces, escape, control characters). You'll want to figure this out before you need it.
-For the above reasons, you may want to think about something with a small keyboard. Still, remember that the little keyboard is still going to be short on keys. Figure out how to enter the "missing" characters.
-You don't get a "real" IP address. It's a 10.x.x.x address going through a NAT. Be sure that any firewalls or admin tools can cope with that.
-The battery drain for this is pretty significant. I get about two hours total use. That's fine for quick fixes, but you won't want to stay logged in to watch an hours-long database rebuild.
-Given the odd screen size and intermittent connectivity, screen [gnu.org] will become your best friend.
Sidekick solves most of that (Score:1)
Sadly, they hurt the keyboard on the Sidekick II by recessing it so you have to hook your thumbs around the case, and by replacing the soft-topped keys with chiclets. The Sidekick 1 (both
Re:Downsides (Score:3, Informative)
I was happy as a pig in ssh-it when I learned about nohup(1) for dealing with a similar issue.
Re:Downsides (Score:1)
Dial 611 on the phone to talk to T-Mobile customer service and ask to change your Unlimited Internet service option to the VPN Unlimited Internet option. If the customer service representative you speak to doesn't know what you're talking about, call back until you find one that does. The VPN option gives you a real IP address.
The sidekick (Score:1)
And I am speaking as an owner of the color sidekick - supposedly the newest iteration is significantly enhanced. The only downsides are that
1) the reception isn't 100% (though I hear the newest one is a lot better wrt this).
2) it breaks a lot (though they do have a generous exchange policy).
Re:The sidekick (Score:1)
Re:The sidekick (Score:1)
Vodafone (Score:2)
Re:Vodafone (Score:1)
However, with the 3G card, in a Vodafone 3g enabled area (this is getting more and more widespread now, initially I only got 3G in London and Manchester, now it seems to be spreading, and I've
Re:Vodafone (Score:3, Informative)
There's an intrinsic issue with GPRS. GSM is a time-division system with eight slots - the phone encodes voice, then sends it out in a burst during it's slot, and reverses the process to receive. This puts about 1/4s delay in, which doesn't matter for voice unless you're on a conf call with one of the other parties in direct hearing range.
GPRS was a simple, cheap and technically conservative upgrade to GSM to send packet data in unused
Some useful information. (Score:3, Interesting)
I've recently hooked myself up with a similar set-up, and have recently been writing about it in my journal [slashdot.org]. I'll detail it a bit here.
Here's what I'm running:
How everything is connected:
So far, this is a set-up I'm quite pleased with. The only way it could be better were if the Tungsten C supported Bluetooth as well as 802.11b.
I can't recommend Bluetooth highly enough for this sort of connectivity either. So long as I'm within 10m of the phone, I can connect to it from the laptop. And Mac OS X's Bluetooth support is excellent -- I'm able to synchronize my contact list and calendar, transfer files back and forth, send and receive SMS messages from my desktop, dial phone numbers, and connect to the internet -- all without wires, or any set-up hassle.
SSH has been important for me, as one of my primary uses for this sort of connectivity will be CVS source repository access through SSH.
I've only had the phone for a week, but I'm quite pleased with it in general. I could have done without the camera portion I suppose (the resolution and quality is terrible), but might come in handy for something someday.
Overall, the set-up appears to be working well, and I'm as pleased as punch with it. Everything is nicely portable, and I have instant access everywhere I go. Set-up has been a snap, and everything works as expected. Now if only I could get cable modem speeds out of this set-up, I'd never work at a desk ever again :).
Yaz.
The Nokia Communicator of course (Score:2)
IMO these devices are perfect for remote access:
http://www.nokia.com/phones/9300 [nokia.com]
http://www.nokia.com/phones/9500 [nokia.com]
The 9500 (big with Wifi & camera) has just arrived in the stores and the 9300 (smallet, more elegant, but without the former) will arrive this month. I'm probable going to get myself and my GF a 9300 later this year.
I wouldn't know about networks and prepaid stuff or the UK sit
Shitty Treo 600 (Score:1)
Have had no problem is Vodafone and port 22, so it should work in england and France (I you get stuck in the shit hole)..,
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PuTT on Series 60 (Score:1)
Re:PuTT on Series 60 (Score:1)
If you want a full keyboard, try something mo