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When Is There a Good Time to "Switch" to Apple? 323

AllNines asks: "With all the hype of MacWorld and the compelling keynote given by Steve Jobs about the upcoming Tiger and Spotlight, I am thinking about 'switching' (Linux user since '97) but I am not sure the time is right. It seems like the PowerBooks are getting very long in the tooth and the iPods are due for a major rev. When is the right time to jump on the Apple ship? Am I going to get burned by a sluggish overpriced laptop that is updated next month?"
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When Is There a Good Time to "Switch" to Apple?

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  • Mac Buyer's Guide (Score:5, Informative)

    by dendoes ( 633894 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @05:36AM (#11501484)
  • Good question (Score:5, Informative)

    by theolein ( 316044 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @05:41AM (#11501507) Journal
    It's not that easy to answer. Generally, the only way to have any idea of when Apple will be releasing new hardware is by following the rumour sites (Thinksecret, Appleinsider etc) and using large pinches of salt. Of those, Thinksecret, the one with the best record on accuracy, is being sued by Apple, so the chances of their being "in the know", in future are slim.

    The register is no good as they make all sorts of wild claims which almost never come true.

    Usually Apple releases new hard- and software on two regular occasions: Macworld (just past, this january) and the Mac developer conference, in the middle of the year. Buying a new Mac just before then is usually not the best of ideas.

    The only way to do this, if you're seriously interested in wasting a lot of time, is to spend time on the Appleinsider forums, noting occasional leaks before Apple C and D's them, and keeping up with current industry trends.

    That means, at present: The chances of an Apple G5 Powerbook being released soon are very slim, as far as I can see. The chances that Apple will first release upgraded G4 Powerbooks with the new Motorola G4 and "Freescale" processors is much higher, since those would take the G4 above 1,5GHz.

    If you have the patience, wait until the developers conference is over in the middle of the year. I'm sure Apple will have announced something by then.
  • Good reasons. (Score:5, Informative)

    by theolein ( 316044 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @06:07AM (#11501605) Journal
    Ease of use: The OS is very stable, as stable as anything in the Linux world. The apps are generally of better quality than stuff found in the Linux world, although you can use those on OSX as well. The GUI and applications all use the same user interface, which means that you don't have wildly differing interfaces such as is the case of GTK+ and KDE apps. (Think GIMP and OpenOffice and tell me why most apps don't even follow the GNOME HCI guidlines).

    The OS is incredibly easy to configure compared to the various competing KDE/Gnome distros (which is exactly the problem there). And if you need the terminal and wish to do stuff by hand, it's there, and you're free to do what you like with the system's innnards as it's OSS and well documented.

    The OS, apps and hardware are tightly integrated, which means that problems like hardware compatibility don't exist.

    The software and hardware are both of high quality, which really means something if you've used Dell or no name brands.

    It goes way byond things like Eye Candy, which says to me that you've never actually used the OS for a period of time yourself.
  • by GreatDrok ( 684119 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @06:12AM (#11501621) Journal
    I have been a UNIX user since 1990, Linux since 1994 and I got my first Mac just over a year ago when the G4 iBook appeared. The main reason I bought the Mac is that I use my laptop for almost everything I do, it is my portable office, and I decided to give Apple a chance after my third Intel based laptop in as many years keeled over.

    I always ran Linux on my laptops and with a bit of care an x86 laptop for Linux is a great tool but to get the best compatiblity I couldn't really go for the budget machines and ended up spending £1500 last time on a Toshiba. It was dead after a year. The surface finish (silver paint) rubbed off and scratched, the case cracked and chipped, the battery stopped holding any charge (just after the guarantee ran out) and the backlight died. The Mac was £500 less, and with OS X, the OS it was designed for, it is more than powerful enough.

    Learning to use OS X has taken a bit of time but I have made a decision that my next desktop machine will also be a Mac because I love the UNIX base, the interface, the fact I can use X11 apps too. I also like having the menu bar at the top and also like the dock. Some others in the Mac community laugh at me because I do my development using vi in an xterm but what they hey, it works for me! At least I have syntax colouring turned on :-)

    The hardware is well made, it has already outlasted my last three x86 laptops and shows no signs of failing. It doesn't run hot, the battery life is excellent, the performance is also good. Having played with the new iMac G5 I can't say I notice it being blazingly faster than my 933Mhz G4 so I think the desire to jump into a G5 laptop is misplaced, the G4 is still a pretty good chip and excellent for mobile applications. Sticking a G5 in is going to increase the heat output, shorten battery life and probably not really increase performance all that much. Just get a lot of RAM for the Mac, I have 640MB in mine and that makes it a very smooth experience.

    Would I run Linux on my Mac? Possibly, but to be honest I like OS X, I like the fact that most open source software is also available for the Mac. Sometimes I choose to use the Mac native app, other times I use open source. I like NeoOffice but have MS Office X too. When NeoOffice becomes fully aqua (widgets and all) then I will use it all the time. I certainly won't be buying another copy of MS Office, I'll just keep the one I have for compatiblity but do new docs in NeoOffice. Firefox is better than Safari. I tried using Safari but the slow page rendering annoyed me so I switched back. I have changed from Thunderbird to Apple Mail which I like a lot.

    All in all, I think there is a lot to be said for the Mac. Does it mean I don't like Linux? No, I still have a Linux desktop (at least until my next machine) and I will keep Linux on my servers and continue to use open source apps on my Mac.
  • by kiddailey ( 165202 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @07:37AM (#11501943) Homepage

    Sorry to butt in, but thought I'd throw in a couple cents:
    "Now, if you said you prefer virtual desktops, as is implemented in most Linux GUIs, then I would understand."
    There are a few virtual desktop managers for OS X (a few of which are free):
    Desktop Manager [sourceforge.net] Alt [macupdate.com]

    Virtue [sourceforge.net] Alt [macupdate.com]

    Virtual Desktop Pro [codetek.com] Alt [macupdate.com]

    Virtual Desktop [magma.ca] Alt [macupdate.com] (not the same product as above)

    You Control: Desktops [yousoftware.com] Alt [macupdate.com]

    Virtual Screens [mac.com] Alt [macupdate.com] (not quite a VDM, but it works)
  • by Ohreally_factor ( 593551 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @07:46AM (#11501972) Journal
    Do a search for games on macupdate [slashdot.org] or versiontracker [slashdot.org]. You'll find a mess of games, from freeware to commercial. Try Snood.

    If by interface you mean skins, there are ways to futz with it, but they caused stability issues for me, so I don't advise them. Google for OS X and "haxies". As for other ways to change the interface, there are numerous programs that replace the dock, change finder behaviors, etc, that many swear by. I've actually grown to love the simplicity, so I'm not using anything anymore, but I'm sure that there are others that will give recommendations.

    Sorry, I can't help you on the network issue.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 28, 2005 @08:09AM (#11502062)
    You can net-boot the Macs and run them diskless. [apple.com]
    The NetBoot service in Mac OS X Server enables multiple Mac systems to boot from a single server-based disk image, instead of from their internal hard drive. This allows you to create a standard configuration and use it on all of the desktop systems in a department or classroom -- or host multiple images customized for different workgroups. You can even create server configurations and run all of your servers from one image. Updating the disk image on the NetBoot server updates all of these systems automatically the next time they restart.
    The functionality is built-in to pretty much every Apple system.
  • Re:Why? (Score:3, Informative)

    by BenjyD ( 316700 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @08:12AM (#11502077)
    I've been a Linux user since 2001 and am also currently thinking about jumping on the Apple ship. I think I'm just getting fed up with all the fiddling, really.

    Example: wireless card on my laptop kind of works, but causes a kernel panic in FC3, suspend-to-disk kinda-sorta works after a lot of fiddling, nautilus CD burning kind of works, but seems to burn a lot of coasters on my brand-new burner and there's no way to change the burn-speed, YAST2 is kinda nice, but slow and clunky.

    I spend a lot of time reporting and dealing with annoying bugs in distros. I like all the polish I see in MacOSX, the nice configuration tools. I'd like to just be able to use my computer.

    I use Linux because the x86 alternative (Windows) is *so* awful. I mean, I'm a free software developer and even I can see good reasons for switching.
  • by NZheretic ( 23872 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @08:29AM (#11502141) Homepage Journal
    At least in terms of reliability, a multi RAID server + Gig ethernet setup is better than imaging drives across each client system. The Mac Mini has athe slower 2 1/2" Hard drives, I think that a common shared RAID array could deliver better performance as well.
  • Apple really made it harder for me when they put all the network settings into that binary database rather than applying the simple Unix-style approach.

    I think someone's trying to dig up the FUD they read in 1998 and pass it off as informed opinion...let's take a look at some configuration settings for the network.

    <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

    I'm afraid the lameness filter stopped me from posting a larger chunk of that file, but the DTD is given on the next line and you can indeed download the schema from Apple. Or perhaps we want to observe which nameservers we're using?

    search my.domain.me.uk
    nameserver 127.0.0.1
    nameserver 192.168.124.1
    nameserver 192.168.124.28

    ...and so on. Looks a little, well, plain-text (or at worst XML) to me. Not binary. Perhaps you're thinking of NetInfo, which has got very little to do with network settings but is instead a directory service for name information. That's stored in Berkely DB format; yes it's binary but it's hardly the world's least-understood format.

    As for integrating the Mac into my *nix (NFS) network, that was a real bitch, and it still isn't right.

    Works for me^{TM} on a production network involving OS X, Linux, NeXT, OpenBSD and Slowlaris. One of the OS X servers is serving a filesystem as is the Solaris box. No problems on the Mac side; the Sun's rpc.rquotad is a bit broken so remote quotaing on the Sun machine isn't good. I expect the problem you're observing is related to using a Linux machine as an NFS server. Linux' support for NFS is not very good and never has been very good; if you're creating network mounts on a Linux machine that need to be read on anything else then you should be using Samba. Linux NFS just isn't good enough.

    my experience is that X11 apps don't seem to render that well on the Mac screen.

    I work with X11 all the time (on Macs and Solaris mainly), and other admins I work with are Linux/Solaris admins; I showed them some X11 action and we all agreed it looked no different from the rendering under XFree86 on Linux. In fact, that's unsurprising, as it's the same XFree86 code as many Linux distributions; the difference is that because Darwin has IOKit and Linux hasn't, you don't need to write an XF86Config-4 on OS X. Nor, indeed, on Darwin/x86.

    A note to fellow moderators: marking something as 'insightful' just because it regurgitates known FUD is wrong. Try at least a small attempt to verify the truth in the statements made before deciding whether they contain any insight. A further note, the parent post did not contain any insight, just old and tired dogma.

  • switcher!!!! (Score:2, Informative)

    by s/nemisis ( 7175 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @09:07AM (#11502306) Journal
    I switched to an iBook G4 1GHz back in August 04. I got my ibook about 5 weeks before they were upped to 1.2GHz. Will i notice that 200MHz? nope. hell my printer probably has a 200MHz processor in it. I won't miss it. I can tell you that i would have missed this iBook. I've run Debian, RH, windows 2k, xp, 98, 95, 3.1(1), and I use a lot of different systems and operating systems at UM and i can tell you that this was the best purchase i've ever made. I'm actually happy that my dell laptop died and made me buy this machine, that i (by the way) bought simply because with my education discount was less than a grand. I have read above that you should wait for tiger to come out, and if its not an emergency, then wait for tiger, but otherwise.... just do it. i was angry and unhappy at first that i wasn't using kde and that there wasn't a start button, but once i get it configured nice for me, i don't even like sitting at a windows machine. makes me uncomfortable. I'm really disappointed that Matlab still runs in X11. it makes things less easy for me than windows, but good thing is i don't have to deal with that very often. I'd say, plan on sitting there for a week getting used to it, and you'll love it. I've come a long way since my days of making fun of apple supporters, and apple has done nothing but put their best foot forward.
  • ifconfig warning (Score:5, Informative)

    by porkchop_d_clown ( 39923 ) <mwheinz@nOSpAm.me.com> on Friday January 28, 2005 @09:33AM (#11502448)
    Careful with that.

    Because Mac OS X uses the netinfo database for a lot of config data, doing things like ifconfig by hand (even modifying the /etc/ files directly) can lead to inconsistent results.

    Use system preferences and the net info manager wherever possible. There are command line variants for most of them, but they aren't well documented.

    I'm not saying don't use ifconfig - just be sure you know what you're doing.
  • Re:Why? (Score:4, Informative)

    by GiMP ( 10923 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @09:35AM (#11502466)
    I've been using Linux as my primary OS since 97 and I've been considering getting a Mac -- and leaving OSX on it.

    In 2000, I bought a Powerbook Pismo (g3/firewire) with the intention of running Linux. It runs Linux marviously, and there isn't an application (other than Macromedia flash) which it cannot handle fine -- even with the (now) older 400mhz processor. I extensively use the airport adapter , so the only cable I use with it is the power adapter, and I keep the machine in my living room.

    Now, I'm afraid when I decide to replace that laptop, I won't be able to use the new machine in the way I used the old one. ACPI under Linux is awful, so I can't buy x86 -- and the Airport Extreme cards don't work under Linux.

    What is a geek to do? Run OSX, kill the Dock, run an X11 server, and compile your own apps (or use something like fink). It isn't pretty, but its the friendliest Unix laptop -- even if it isn't Linux. Nobody says that OSX can't be "just another Unix" -- it just hides it by default.
  • Re:Wait for Rev B (Score:2, Informative)

    by Jerry Smith ( 806480 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @09:48AM (#11502578) Homepage Journal
    Correct: the revision A eMac had defective idap-cables (fixed in B), the revision A iMac had dodgy modem and ethernet software/firmware (fixed in B), the first few iMac G5's had noisy 220V-psu's, fixed in later machines.
    Warranty still applied, but have it working perfectly out of the box is nicer IMHO.
  • by anothergene ( 336420 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @09:55AM (#11502628) Homepage Journal

    Just get enough RAM!!
    ... and don't buy RAM from Apple. Way too over priced. Just buy it from your local computer chop shop. I would just make sure it named brand and warrenteed.

  • Re:Why? (Score:2, Informative)

    by porcupine8 ( 816071 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @10:23AM (#11502940) Journal
    I'd been using Linux since 98, and I switched to OS X in 2002. My fiance's been using Linux since 97, and he's planning on switching to OS X as soon as he can afford a new computer (which might be a lot sooner thanks to the mini). Why? I think theolein covered most of the main reasons. Plus, I like having things "just work," as Apple advertises. I had to have my machine dual-boot windows b/c I couldn't find Linux drivers for my digital camera. I'm guessing that's less of a problem these days, but still - I'd have to download drivers. With my Mac, I just buy something and plug it in. Other than price, I can't see many reasons *not* to switch. You still get a command line, etc - but you get a much wider range of high-quality software, including whatever you used in Linux if you want it.
  • by dpbsmith ( 263124 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @10:50AM (#11503221) Homepage
    Every computer company and technology progresses. They all introduce new products at six month intervals or thereabouts. There is no exactly right time.

    This is a case where the marketplace actually sort of does operate, and is reflected in the street prices of the gear you buy. If you wait for the hot new product and buy it immediately, you'll find that you will likely a) pay full list price, b) experience unpredictable but significant and annoying shipping delays--including changes in promised ship dates, and c) suffer from various teething pains in the first run of the product.

    Those teething pains can vary from serious (high failure rates and product recalls) to cosmetic (Apple Cube "cracks") to trivial but still annoying (on a G5 Tower purchased immediately when first available, when the CD ejects it sounds cheap and clunky and you have the feeling that the door-opening mechanism may fail--although it hasn't yet. They made some kind of improvement and later models are much smoother and confidence-inspiring... that sort of thing...)

    Meanwhile, in the runup to the new product introduction everyone is trying to clear out old inventory, and you can get a fire-sale price and all sorts of deals with "free" extra RAM and bundled printers and so forth.

    When you buy in is a personal matter, but the actual price you pay and the deal you get tend to reflect the marketplace judgement of the current value of the gear.

    If you're waiting, that means you don't have enough money to just buy a new computer every year or so. Personally, I get at least four years out every computer. Four years from now, your computer is going to be four years old. Depending on how clever you are about jumping in just after the leap in technology, it may feel like it is effectively three-and-a-half years old or four-and-a-half years old. It doesn't really matter.

    Besides, over the last ten years an amazing thing has happened: performance has been levelling off AND hardware has started catching up to software. These days, you can spend a thousand bucks and get "enough." Whatever enough means. I use a 1.8 GHz G5 at work. My home machine is a 400 MHz G4. Is there a difference in speed? Sure. Is my home machine "fast enough?" Yes.
  • by momus_radar ( 668448 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @11:03AM (#11503370)
    When is the right time to jump on the Apple ship? Am I going to get burned by a sluggish overpriced laptop that is updated next month?"

    I'm going to answer the questions that were actually asked.

    1. The right time is when ever you are ready to jump. Before jumping, though, I'd suggest that you do some research on which one of Apple's currently shipping system meets your needs.

    2. If you are the type that MUST have the latest and greatest all the time then the answer is yes. Apple has an unofficial policy that they should introduce something new every 90 days. Now that you know that time schedule, you will only get burned if you allow yourself to be.

    Now to address your previous comment: It seems like the Power Books are getting very long in the tooth and the Ipods are due for a major rev.

    Since it was the first Apple product to receive the, now ubiquitous, minimalist industrial redesign, I suppose the Powerbook is getting long in the tooth. I'm certain Apple is aware of this and is working on something.

    As for the iPods, their current hardware designs, and software, are fairly new and they work as advertised. What more do you really need from a portable digital music player that is so incredibly easy to use?

  • by bitingduck ( 810730 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @12:28PM (#11504290) Homepage
    I tend to buy my apple stuff right after they introduce new stuff, but I snag the old stuff at steep discounts.

    I use an 800 MHz TiBook at home that I got as a refurb about a month after the faster ones came out. I got it because it would still boot into OS9 for some legacy stuff, and had a graphics card that works with an old game that I was addicted to.

    I use a 1 GHz TiBook at work that I got a while later, and I honestly don't notice any real difference between the two machines' performance (and I use both daily).

    I also have some sort of high end WinXP "workstation" at work that I use for running FEM software (and really not much else). It's only a few months old, so it really screams, but because I trust windows so little, I don't use it for much else. It solves transient models really fast though, and the most significant thing about it is that it's really quiet, despite the speed. I've heard older machines that sound like a jet landing in your office.
  • also consider the OS (Score:4, Informative)

    by IronyChef ( 518287 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @12:33PM (#11504350)
    One more tip: Tiger (10.4) is due out 1H05, so waiting a few months until it's included with new hardware will save you a ~$100 upgrade (price varies with rebates & education discounts.)
  • by emelye ( 92832 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @01:58PM (#11505391)
    >If you can't wait that long, buy one now - they're still great machines, even if they're superceded next week!

    I agree with this totally. I've been on Macs since 1993... and I've only had three of them.

    I buy "second revisions," as Mark says, and they run for years. The only glitch is that I can't always play the newest games once my Mac is a year old, but everything else runs fine.
  • Simply did not want a forth system to hassle me.
    But you have to admit, concatenative languages [sourceforge.net] are pretty interesting, even if the syntax is a little bit of a hassle. There also a newly released online book [sourceforge.net] that might help.
  • by BrookHarty ( 9119 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @03:44PM (#11506849) Journal
    hilarious! this is the attitude!
    you consider it stable when "every once and a while AQUA" crashes? isn't that like arguing that windows is stable but it's the explorer that crashes and as such it's not a biggie?


    Humm, Once and awhile means monthly not weekly like windows. And aqua doesnt take down the OS when it crashs, just aquadock. I havnt seen a bouncing ball or complete crash since 10.1.

    Most crash I've seen are games exiting back to normal desktop, doesnt happen often, but its also the same crash type on windows.
    I find running WoW in window mode easier now, so i can run chat/webbrowser/IM without issues, Uptime for weeks now.

    And for explorer on windows, theres a registery tweak to have explorer shell and explorer browsers to run different instances, so a explorer browser wont restart your gui. That has made windows more stable on a day to day basis, and I wish M$ would make it standard.

    So, yes, OSX the OS is rock solid, the GUI can crash, but normally when exiting a game, but only once a month, so yes, thats very stable.

    KDE and Gnome crash more, but then i use IceWM and Windowmaker because they are reallly stable.

    But nice troll, trying to make it sound like I ssh in daily to reset processes, funny troll.

  • by UWC ( 664779 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @04:14PM (#11507258)
    Ah, okay. I've only just recently become interested in Macs, so I wasn't sure of the details. Is the general point just to free up main CPU time by offloading desktop rendering to the GPU, then? I'd admired what I'd heard about OS X, but until Mini was anounced, I had no firm plans for the acquisition of one. Now that I have my Mini, I'm definitely impressed. Plus I can ease myself into Unix, X11, and such. I still need to get more RAM, though. And a putty knife.
  • by JQuick ( 411434 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @04:33PM (#11507476)

    if I find that a Linux, NetBSD or FreeBSD machine takes some 5 minutes to mount an NFS share on an OS X machine (with portmap running on all nodes) then I think that is reasonably good evidence that there's something wrong with the OS X implementation.


    You are mistaken. Those symptoms are evidence that you do not have dns set up properly. A long delay followed by a successful mount suggests that one or both of the systems is timing out on name service queries. Those symtoms are consistent with missing 'A' records, missing 'PTR' records or both.


    As for configuration, on any of my BSD or Linux boxes, all I need is a single line in my /etc/exports files to make NFS happen. You cannot possibly make any informed claim that OS X makes it that simple.

    You are correct that it requires more than adding a line to /etc/exports. But you imply that that is all you need on linux or bsd (which is false). Export via nfs on Macos X is identical to FreeBSD.
    1. Add a line to /etc/exports
    2. Send a hup signal to mountd (killall -1 mountd) Or reboot.
    How is that harder than BSD or linux? It is identical to BSDs. I admit that I'm guessing about the need to inform mountd to reload configurations on linux since I have not used it in 5 years.

    To mount a remote volume manually you can use "connect to server" in the finder, or use mount from the command line. (This seems identical or easier than Linux depending on your approach).

    To make volumes mount and unmount automatically, add a line to /etc/fstab like "host:rpath lpath nfs opts...,net -s 0 0". Use the text file, or use combinations of nidump and niload via the command line, or do it all graphically via netinfo or the shareware NFSManager.app from bresink.de.

    The automount daemon adds a dynamic mount point for every fstab entry containing the 'net' option (this is equivalent to the 'mounts' domain in netinfo).

    After restarting the automount daemon, or rebooting, when you refer to /Network/Servers/host/path..., via either the command line or the GUI, the remote drive will automatically be mounted, and after it has been idle for awhile will be automatically unmounted. If you wish you can create symbolic links to those paths anywhere you want. Traversing them will mount what is needed on demand.

    Having administered dozens of Unices both commercial and free, I find that the various ways to get Macos X to work as an NFS client or server is either consistent with other unices, or nicer. Your sweeping claims that Macos X is broken merely reveal your ignorance of basic unix administration.

    Don't get me wrong, client side NFS could be improved on Macos X. It handles manual mounts and automount(8) mounts flawlessly out of the box. My only complaint is that the port of amd (which comes bundled with the os for use by experts) is a bit sketchy when using complex map rules. I would prefer to use amd but ended up reverting to automount(8) about a year ago. I believe that Apple will eventually migrate from automount(8) to amd, but it is not ready for wide use yet.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 28, 2005 @05:02PM (#11507882)
    The gui acceleration, as in Panther (and Jaguar), works with just about any card having 16 MB vram or better. What you're thinking of is CoreImage, which speeds up a number of specialized image processing functions and has a bunch of filters that programs can use. This only affects programs that were specifically written to use CoreImage. If CoreImage supports your video card (likely to require 64 MB but AFAIK that's not set in stone), these operations will be done in real time. The demo they did last June was quite impressive, applying all kinds of filters to video in real time. If your video card can't handle it, the program will still do exactly the same things, just not in real time.
  • Re:Tried a Mac (Score:2, Informative)

    by norkakn ( 102380 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @06:54PM (#11509270)
    http://www.versiontracker.com/macosx/
    and fink. I don't really pay for any software
  • by gozar ( 39392 ) on Saturday January 29, 2005 @12:33AM (#11511416) Homepage
    Whole apps are single files

    FYI, those are actually directories. The finder just makes it appear as a single file. To look inside control-click on the app and select "Show Package Contents".

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