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Stepping Off of the Grid? 114

Posted by Cliff from the going-nowhere-fast-and-loving-it dept.
torpor asks: "Has anyone on Slashdot ever stepped off of the grid? I don't just mean long yuppy vacations to pacified islands, but seriously gone from 'tech-dedicated' to 'doing my own thing in the middle of nowhere for a while'. It's that time of year again. I've killed my TV, and I'm finding myself looking for adventure and mayhem in distant quarters. Have any of you ever done this, and returned with interesting stories to tell?"
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  • The Tech Jerk... (Score:5, Funny)

    by TripMaster Monkey ( 862126 ) * on Friday May 27, 2005 @03:32PM (#12658350)
    Actually, I'm going to be doing this in just a couple of hours...my fiancee and I will be undertaking the arduous journey up to my parents' cabin in the North (eight miles south of the Mackinac Bridge).

    Yup, I'll be completely cut off from all my life-sustaining tech...

    Except for my Sidekick, that is...that's all.

    ...and my digital camera...you know...to take pictures of Nature and all...and that's it.

    ...and my work phone...gotta have my work phone in case a server crashes or something...and that's it.

    ...and my work laptop...in case I have to VPN in to work...and that's ALL.

    ...and my personal laptop...after all, they're both in the same case...and nothing ELSE.

    ...except for my USB thumb drives...

    ...and my USB hub...

    ...and my wireless hub...

    ...and my external HDD...

    ...and my external DVD-RW...

    *sigh*

    • Joureny to parents' house... do you get the, "Oh, while you are here, can you look at my comput..." I know we all know that line... USB thumbdrive with all tools...

    • It seems that I'm used to living in a state where the definition of "wilderness" does not include being in reach of a cell tower.

      I'd mention the no-electricity thing as well, but I don't want to scare other slashdotters.

      Seriously though: Divorcing yourself from TV/Computers/Internet only works if you can find something to fill your time that you enjoy more.

    • It was only for a couple weeks, but a few years ago I kept going way past the Bridge, all the way to Isle Royale. The PDA, the cell phone, etc. stayed at home, and the data center had to run itself. The only electricity-powered gear I brought with me were a flashlight and my 1980s-vintage 35mm SLR (which really only needs electricity for the light meter). I navigated with a map and compass. I kept a journal with pencil and paper. And of course I carried everything. It was difficult at times, but I qui
      • My wife and I do this once every few months. I personally have 6 computers and all the crap that goes with them. PDA, Cell, etc..yup, got them.

        We go out for a 4 day holiday weekend with just the car (which we don't touch once we get there) our analog watches and flashlights - thats it. We pitch a tent, make a fire and just enjoy life. Oddly enough, when we come back, we're more relaxed than normal, even if I have to dig through 200 email a day to catch up.

    • My fiancee and I went up to the Mackinac Bridge area about 3 years ago in preparation for the wedding. We had our cell phones for emergency purposes, but that was it.

      The island was great, the bridge is an impressive engineering feat, and the people were much more relaxed.

  • Was/isn't a SciFi author doing that in Sri Lanka? (Score:3)

    by ivi ( 126837 ) on Friday May 27, 2005 @03:35PM (#12658397)

    Arthur C Clark, maybe...?
  • but I'm living off grid at the moment.
    • You took the words right out of my mouth (it must have been when you were kissing me)

      Hey, I have a question for Ask Slashdot. "Are any slashdot readers in a coma? I'm thinking of entering a persistent vegitative state, any tips for me?"
  • Well, I did volunteer twice to camp out and (practically) babysit some Boy Scouts for about a week. And yes, except for the mess hall (which I spent actually very little time in) the camp was off the grid.

    Other than my week-long absence from IRC, I loved it.

  • Wrong Audience (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anm ( 18575 ) on Friday May 27, 2005 @03:37PM (#12658418)
    Slashdot does not seem like the place to connect with people who have already escaped technology.

    I'd suggest finding a local adventure (backpacking, etc.) store.

    Anm
  • I guess you're only gonna get responses from people who have stepped off the grid and then returned.

    Or perhaps there are some out there who are essentially off-grid but still have access to it via non-traditional means. So where exactly do you draw the line?

    I've wondered once or twice in the dead of night whether it might be good to step off the grid permanently, so that if the pessimistic peak oil predictions come true, I'll have already made the transition and won't be one of the billion newbies trying
  • Have any of you ever done this, and returned with interesting stories to tell?

    Nope. Long story short, too much mayhem, not enough adventure.

    If you insist on trying this, I suggest avoiding moonshine, cliffs, drunk friends, and a dare. (But I'm sure there are other equally negative combinations.)

    This post brought to you by MortISP, the #1 ISP in the Great Beyond.

  • If by "stepping off the grid" you mean "gone on a two week bender" then, yeah. Heh, which segues into an old riddle:
    Q: What did Abraham Lincoln say after a 3 month bender?
    A: I freed who?
  • When I first read this headline I thought this was yet another discussion on alternative energy sources! I was anxious to hear about someones conversion of a hamster wheel power generator for their beowolf cluster!

    Seriously though. I've thought about it but rarely would I have an opportunity to disconnect myself that to that level. Unless I go to my wife's native country where you're lucky to have power let alone a technogadget.

  • Have you considered...? (Score:5, Funny)

    by Otter ( 3800 ) on Friday May 27, 2005 @03:42PM (#12658478) Journal
    I'd recommend auditioning for a reality show. Just try to stay out of situations where people have to choose between voting for you or for the hot chick. And learn how to filet a fish _before_ you go, not while you're starving.

    Actually, after watching that commercial for The Real Gilligan's Island where Mary Ann and Ginger smear coconut cream pie over each other and then wrestle in the shower -- maybe that's the way to go! Can you make an MP3 player out of bamboo, coconuts and a bicycle?

  • No. Sorry. Some of us work for a living and actually feel obligated to perform and don't feel "right" when we're not working. Being away from work and technology stresses me out.
  • Dude you posted this on slashdot. Next time try sending this kind of question aloft tied to a helium balloon.
  • And then that whole destruction of the earth thing by Skynet that we'd prevented last time around, we totally copped out on and had it happen anyway... our bad, sorry.

  • Not me, but someone I know certainly did. (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Not sure if I should tell the story, but hey.

    Someone I used to work with quit his job about one month ago. He worked as a Senior unix engineer / hacker - and had done so for a decade or so.

    The reason? He wants to see the world. He's taking one to two years off - depending on how long the trip takes. He's going to visit as many countries and areas as he manages. He's been saving for this for a LONG time - and he's finally realizing his dream.

    Now, what kind of guy is this? He's certainly a computer p
  • Ask These guys they've been off the grid for 60 years: http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/world/117558 29.htm/ [kansas.com]

  • Stepping off the grid (Score:5, Interesting)

    by zoloto ( 586738 ) * on Friday May 27, 2005 @03:57PM (#12658687)
    I did this for a year. Except I went about it in a more extreme way.

    Quit my job.
    Almost emptied my bank account (just enough to keep it open) and had the cash saved safely.
    Moved from my parents place to miscellaneous places under aliases and didn't use my real name.
    Never went near "public" cameras.
    Paid cash for everything.
    Never logged onto the internet and used "my" name or email account... ever.
    Didn't contact my family through means where they could trace me (unmarried, no holidays)
    Worked jobs where I was paid under the table with my alias.

    I did this all half-way across the country. You don't have any clue how much I loved it. New name, new face, new style of living. Hell, even this slashdot subscription I have was paid for by someone I don't know who has never met me in real life or online (except through slashdot). This "alias" of zoloto isn't linked to my real name in any way, shape or form... and that's the way I like it. (someone guessed at my name once thinking he was "cool" but it never worked for him/her)

    It's great. It's too bad we can't do this anymore with our real lives since people (companies/govt too) openly share our information and collect "assurances" that we're credit worthy and an assett to society.
    • I've just got one question:

      Why?

      • Re:Stepping off the grid (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Alan ( 347 )
        Maybe someone found the bodies^w skeletons in his closet? :)

        Sounds like fun, but for a lot of geeks, maybe not practical. IE: to live and survive you need to make money somehow, and most of us (/. readership) work in computers, so you'd probably end up back in a job working with computers to make a "new" living. That kinda kills the "step off the grid" thing.

        Of course, if the grandparent emptied their bank account to get $$ to live without working, then yea, go for it. Just make sure you have a job or s

      • Re:Stepping off the grid (Score:4, Interesting)

        by zoloto ( 586738 ) * on Friday May 27, 2005 @05:29PM (#12659608)
        Just for fun and to prove one could do it for the long term. I only had a few thousand dollars in my account at the time and I was 18, so I went back to my parents place when I was 19 and started working / school again. That was around 1997-8 and I tell you it was a lot of fun.

        Figuring everything out as if I was starting fresh, new everything and looking for legal jobs was a great experience. I made enough money to live, eat, enjoy some small entertainment and go about my business. Bought a car, did everything under that name essentially keeping "my self" off the grid and this new person on for just a year.

        Actually with common names such as Brown, Johnson, Smith and Thompson I was easily noticed, but just as quickly dismissed. Just like that cherry red van you say just a minute ago driving down the street... or did you?

        See what I mean. It's all about disguise. Sometimes you have to keep it all out in the open, and keep the secrets locked-in-tight and no one will notice you.
    • It's ok, the IRS knows who and where you are.
    • I did this in a less extreme, more repeatable way.

      I quit my job.
      I go to southern Mexico, where I never have the option of going near "public cameras" or using anything BUT cash for 1 to 10 months a year.
      While there, I rarely log onto the internet because it is virtually unavailable.
      I contact friends and family through Mexican payphones with disposable national calling cards (I highly doubt that this is tracable, and its the cheapest and easiest way to get in touch internationally.)
      When I'm not in Mexico,
      • That's pretty cool. I like how you do things. But the reason I emptied my accounts were to give me a little boost in that down time of roughly 3 weeks in my so called new life looking for a job and actually living. aka- eating and a roof over my head in something other than a crack house.

        Archaeological philandering isn't something I've considered on a conscious level, however it's definitely worth looking into for those so inclined to do so professionally. I do keep my options open. :D
    • Just like Christopher McCandless [wikipedia.org], eh ?
      Post college, I'd really like to leave 'the scene' for a bit. For my travels, I'd go to Europe and rent a small flat and live the European life. Supporting myself through bartending or being a waiter at some restaurant, maybe. Unfortunately, it might be a bit more difficult to do this, since I'd have to be using my passport to travel from the USA to EU.
    • How did you manage to do that? Who hired you? Did you ever write any of this up? It seems like something that would be really interesting to do. Do you have any tips or useful information on how to find jobs, etc.?
      • maybe i'll post something.
        most of what i'd have to say is in the forms of guidelines and won't be a "who hired me where" type of a thing.

        for the moment all I can say is really find out what you can and can't do. not in, what you won't do etc. and look for jobs that way. :D

        you have to be a hard worker with a good strong wide background in doing "work". take that as you will but for the moment it's all I can offer.

        email me, use encryption (http://slashdot.org/~zoloto/pubkey [slashdot.org]) and we'll talk if you need any
  • ...serious overclocking!

    um, does fragging at 200 fps count as 'off the grid' if you're not running a server?

  • i hate to ask (Score:1, Redundant)

    by Glog ( 303500 )
    But if you stepped off the grid how did you get that article to Slashdot?
    • 1) he used a manual, portable typewriter.
      2) typed the article and submitted it using the USPS with no return address and a stamp a friend gave him
      3) sent it to the editors (they publish anything...)
      4) then a friend gives him a printout at -1 of everything people said.

      win win situation...

      how do you think I did this? Wait... I just exposed my time-mach^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H lie! Damnit!
  • Post this on your blog.
  • I've been doing this for years... I work as a software engineer during the week, but weekends and vacations are all about backpacking and climbing. I've done one 22 day through hike in the CA Sierras, all without technology. In a year or so I'm going to quit my job and backpack the Pacific Crest Trail from Mexico to Canada. After that it will be some new adventure. Obviously not for everyone (especially the hardcore /. crowd) but being in the outdoors without all the things we've come to rely on so heavily

    • I've done one 22 day through hike in the CA Sierras, all without technology.

      I'll bet you did it without electronics, but not without technology. You probably used a qualofill (sp?) sleeping bag and a ripstop nylon backpack on an aluminum pack frame and some freeze-dried food.

      Make the same trip with a couple of wool blankets, a sack full of dried corn and forage for food on the trail (not that the USFS would appreciate that last part). That would be leaving technology behind.

      [Disclaimer: you've still d

      • No, you are absolutely right. I guess I should have made the distinction between electronics and technology. I have actually become quite the "gear queer" with all my outdoor stuff. Definitely not a cheap pastime but having the best gear makes the trips better.
      • Make the same trip with a couple of wool blankets, a sack full of dried corn and forage for food on the trail (not that the USFS would appreciate that last part). That would be leaving technology behind.

        Not really. Wool blankets and a woven sack are both clearly technology; neither one grows directly on trees, and both arts took centuries to perfect.

        And now that I think about it, both the wool and the corn are the result of thousands of years of artificial genetic modification, so they're advanced tech,

        • Not really. Wool blankets and a woven sack are both clearly technology; neither one grows directly on trees, and both arts took centuries to perfect.

          And now that I think about it, both the wool and the corn are the result of thousands of years of artificial genetic modification, so they're advanced tech, too.

          Not to mention all that fancy dental work and tetanus vaccine. He's basically a cyborg. If someone honestly wants to go camping without technology, instead of just "playing camp" like some w

          • I haven't had a Tetnus shot since it was requred for pre-admittance screening for enetering grade school. A tetnus shot is effective for 7 years. I am 26 years old, so my tetnus vaccination has not been valid for almost 14 years now. I don't intend to ever renew it either.
            • Why not? If you have an opportunity to receive significant immunity against a common pathogen for little risk, why not do it?

              Last year when I was moving I was standing in the back of a 30 foot moving van during pouring rain and I slipped. I slammed against the wall of the truck, slid down to the floor desperately trying not to actually fall out of the truck onto the concrete below. At first I thought I was okay except for a number of bruises and scrapes. Everyone was asking if I was okay, and I said sure.
            • why not, simply wondering, what's wron with a tetnus shot?
          • If someone honestly wants to go camping without technology, instead of just "playing camp" like some wiener yuppie trying out a new hobby, they'll have to do it my way, and that starts with a pair of pliers and a full set of black market lymph nodes from Angola.

            And let's not forget all of the camping techniques he may have learned over the years. Some of that could well be patented intellectual property. While he's getting the new lymph nodes installed, he should see if he can get a discount on a quick st
  • A friend and I are going to drive a 1966 olds hearse from San Francisco to Providence. Along the way we are planning on seeing what this country has to offer 2 35 year olds. No computers, no tv, no nothing except for 1 cell phone for emergencies only and an aging boom box for cd's, other then that it's just him and me and the great outdoors (oh yeah and a 22 foot antique to get us there.) We plan on taking 2 weeks for the trek but who knows.
  • Haven't yet, but I plan to in the next 10 years or so if everything works out... ask me again in a few years :)
  • ...but alas, I had already taken the blue pill.
  • My wife lived in a remote village in Ghana and taught math. No electricity, no running water. I don't know if I could pull it off. She did-- part of what I found attractive about her.
  • I'd like to get off the grid in a different way... one that still lets me use /.

    I've found Yurts [yurtworks.com] to be an interesting architectural endeavour, and very affordable... not to mention the interesting psychological/environmental changes that one would experience living in a round building.

    In a few years I plan to take advantage of Composting toilets [sun-mar.com], solar and exercised charged deep-cycle battery power, Solar Cooking [exoticblades.com], Efficient wood cooking and heating [efn.org] and whatever other kinds of natural/off-grid lifestyles I can find...

    Let's not forget Intel's WiMAX [intel.com] technologies that should let me get my /. fix out in the sticks...

    Luckily I should be aquiring 5 acres of land for free or cheap in the next few years, which makes this whole thing much more feasible.

    • Re:50' yurt, 12v power and WiMAX laptop... (Score:1, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Note that unless you have a huge swath of land with lots of wood, then wood doesn't provide very efficient energy. Don't get me wrong, I know they have all kinds of new(er) technology in the wood burning arena, but it's still not as efficient as a nuclear power plant or natural gas.

      Now if you've got tons of free wood to use then yeah, it's gonna be cheaper.. otherwise wood is pretty damn expensive (relative to energy output) if you have to buy it.

      Exercised charged deep-cycle batteries? Hmmm, how much en
  • I went through one of those wilderness survival programs, where we first hiked using packs we fashioned out of a poncho, sleeping bag, parachute cord, and seatbelt strap, then collectively pushed/pulled a wooden hand cart with all our gear (through mud, over rocks, in the snow, etc), and finally hiked the tough trails with 80lb packs. Not once the whole time did I touch one electronic device or set foot inside any kind of permanent structure.

    You certainly get to know the people you're with, as well as you

  • You guys are lame :P (Score:4, Interesting)

    by tdmg ( 881818 ) on Friday May 27, 2005 @04:41PM (#12659169)
    I was off the grid for 5 months and 10 days when I hiked the Appalachian Trail from Maine to Georgia in 2003. I had a cell phone, but if you look at Cingular's maps, there is a thin strip up the East coast where you can't get reception. That strip is the AT, which I hiked. It was really easy, I didn't miss the internet at all, didn't miss IMing or e-mail, and I sure as hell didn't miss all the spamming and ads all over. I would write letters to my parents that they would type up and e-mail to my friends, but that was about it for the internet. Not having to deal with technology was a great relief. But, being back here it's hard to live without it, my lifestyle at the time just didn't require it.

    I remember when I stopped by a town in NH and I saw the last week's newspaper in the trash. It read "Great 2003 Blackout!". It's amazing to have missed something like that. I even heard stories of hikers who didn't hear about 9/11.

    I'm planning to do long hikes in the future, so that won't be the last time I'm off the grid. (I know some people who hiked without ID, I still had my DL).

    Anyway, if any of you have question or are just interested, I have all the answers. You can e-mail me at aberkowi@student.umass.edu
  • I'm not sure what your goals are, but I've spent my share of time wandering. The amount of preparation required depends on your plans after you're done. If you don't give a shit about the square world, you can pick up and go right now. The more about your present life you care about, the more you need to do to ensure it'll be there for you when you get back.

    If you plan on travelling around the US, I suggest being very friendly and getting a gun. Really. Hell, this is a good idea everywhere outside of

    • Re:Give it to the hot ones (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Wog ( 58146 )
      Recommend a Glock 23, 200 rounds of cheapo walmart metal jacket ammo, and 100 rounds of nice name-brand hollow-point. Add a nice holster, and you've got a complete, compact self-defense package + 200 rounds to practice with, for under $700.

      Get a concealed carry license for any state you plan to meet people in, unless you've got the balls to disconnect so completely that you never see an authority figure again. In most states that have enough wilderness to dissappear into, it should be very easy, even for a
      • Sorry, but you really have no idea what you're talking about, so it's safe to assume that this "advice" is something you dreamed up smoking a bowl in your parent's basement.

        First, you can only get a concealed carry license in your state of residence, and it usually takes a while (e.g., about 30 days here in Oregon). Once you have it,

        • Some states recriprocally accept it, but it follows no logical rule (e.g., it might be South Carolina and Arizona or something)
        • In many states, non-residents have to make

    • I suggest being very friendly and getting a gun. Really. Hell, this is a good idea everywhere outside of Europe.

      Other than the "really friendly" part, which is good advice, this is a remarkably stupid idea. In most countries you can end up in jail for a long, long time with no phone calls and no Vaseline. And how are you going to get your gun there anyway?

      The rate of violent crime is higher in the USA than most other countries, so the safety question (at least wrt crime - there's always traffic and

  • Followed work to a town in northern California in '98. No DSL in town and we lived about 45 minutes west, on the other side of a 3000 ft mountain. During the winter 4wd was not optional and it still took two hours to get to and from work. Home was once a vacation cabin, built in the early 50's. We were still on the power grid, but that was it. Propane heat and cooking, septic, well water. Most everyone had a burn barrel for trash (by permit) as the nearest dump was an hour away. You picked up your ma
  • Check out this guy. http://www.strikingviking.net/ [strikingviking.net] He's been traveling the world on a motorcycle for 2+ years, keeps a laptop handy and writes journals which he uploads via cyber cafes all over the world. His book, Two Wheels Through Terror, is quite interesting also, he was captured and tortured by rebels in South America.
  • My family has a cabin in Michigan's upper peninsula. No running water, no electricity, virtually no cell phone service. I have been off the grid for three weeks at a time occasionally.

    Quite fun, really. I get a lot of reading done, and wander around the woods.
  • At one point, I was leaving the digital world to enter the biological world (professionally speaking), and I spent a month on the Appalachain Trail hiking from MA down to VA. At least, that was the original plan.

    I wound up getting sick after a week into it and needed to come off the trail after ten days and limit myself to day hikes. That was still enjoyable, but a huge let down.

    That first ten days though, was amazing. I had a forty-five pound pack on my back, and only what I could carry went with me. No
  • Prior to my discovering the online community in 1980, my longest stint off the grid was my three years in the Army '85-'88. Not only was I off the grid but completely computer-less. I made up for it by coming back to the fold with a nice new Amiga 2000. Man was that a sweet machine with tons of online community activity around it as well. So, even my year Studying abroad (or was that studying a-beer?) in Germany '93-'94 and my six months in Croatia (in a bombed out town during the tail end of the Yugosl

    • Prior to my discovering the online community in 1980, my longest stint off the grid was my three years in the Army '85-'88. Not only was I off the grid but completely computer-less. I made up for it by coming back to the fold with a nice new Amiga 2000. Man was that a sweet machine with tons of online community activity around it as well. So, even my year Studying abroad (or was that studying a-beer?) in Germany '93-'94 and my six months in Croatia (in a bombed out town during the tail end of the Yugoslav

  • They're off the GRID.
  • this is the way I'm planning on doing it

    sail around the world for a few years (or more).
    it can take a month to cross an ocean during which time you are totally self reliant
  • ... on a 29' (10m) sailboat and from Charleston, SC to St. Thomas on a 41-footer. There is nothing more mentally refreshing than reducing your entire existence to a small boat, a small circle of the ocean and a big dome of sky. The highest tech thing aboard was the handheld GPS and we were well enough equipped with charts and sextant that we didn't really need the GPS.

    Oh, and the islands are kinda cool - but in a different way.

  • 1 motorcycle
    1 wallet w/ cash and credit card(s)
    1 backpack
    2 days worth of clothes
    1 pair extra shoes
    1 digital camera
    1 map of the country
    time

    ride off the middle of nowhere, camp under the stars, snap a few pics, get lost, find yourself and return home when ready. nothinig like a good soul cleansing from time to time.
  • I've noticed that many Slashdotters have a strong interest in this topic, of getting at least partially off-grid. I admit that I too would like that quite a lot.

    So why do so many of us, on a site that by nature of the topics covered, have a VERY high dependance on a reliable supply of electricity, want to get away from the single best source of such a supply available (at least in the US)? This strikes me as somewhat paradoxical.


    Personally, I'll admit a bit of paranoia in my motivation. I simply don
    • Although the movie was admittedly rather cheesy, this quote from the movie Contact really hit home for me: "The question IÂ'm asking is, are we happier? As a human race, is the world fundamentally a better place because of science and technology? We shop at home, we surf the web, but at the same time, we feel emptier, lonelier, and more cut off from each other than at any other time in history... (gets drowned out by Pulses from outer space). ... maybe itÂ's because weÂ're looking for the me

    • So why do so many of us, on a site that by nature of the topics covered, have a VERY high dependance on a reliable supply of electricity, want to get away from the single best source of such a supply available (at least in the US)? This strikes me as somewhat paradoxical.

      Think of it as being in line with things like the "slow"-food movement or "slow" movements in general. The tech and clutter doesn't make your life better, just busier.

      People are simply finding that the rat race isn't all it's cracked u

  • I live in texas and every summer my family and I take a trip up too new mexico. We go to a house we inherited deep in the mountains. we don't get cell phone service or more than 1.5 channels on the tv at best. I can't get the internet or even dialup because every ISP is long distance. To combat the boredom I run around Riudoso and go to the Magic Mushroom shop all the time. I also attempt to be a cowboy. a few summers ago I started riding horses and this summer I will learn how to rope steers.
  • While in the Navy stationed in Guam, we had two supertyphoons within 6 months of each other. Both times, I was thrown off the grid for two to three months. No power, no water, no phone... Quite the experience, I must say. The worst part, in Guam at least, was no air conditioner.

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