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Creating an IS Department? 408

brainee28 asks: "I work in the IS department for a manufacturer in Arizona (a one-man-show). I do mostly everything; from systems, to networks, to procurement, to implementation. I can't mention who I work for since we deal with government contracts. My problem is this: The company didn't start out with an IS department. Up until 6 years ago, a few computers were scattered around, but processes and business was still being done the old-fashioned way (with paper). When the IS department was started, it was started by a hobbyist (he was named IS Manager before I showed up), who knew nothing about management or any of the major issues that befall a traditional IS dept. I joined 6 years ago (I have 5 years of IS Management experience, and 15 years of experience with IS in general) with the idea that I would be managing day-to-day operations. That has still not come to pass. The hobbyist left the company 4 years ago, and I've been on my own ever since." What is the best way for new IS managers to convince their superiors of the need for widespread change?
"Management views IS as a facilities function; computers are a tool, and only a tool. I presented a proposal to them about 2 weeks ago which completely negates that and several other ideas they've had about IS. Management accepted the proposal; however I'm now faced with additional mountains to climb.

I have 3 things that management and I currently don't see eye to eye on:

1) The main job of IS is connectivity. Connectivity is the core of why we have IS. Anything else is extraneous, and I shouldn't be dealing with it.

2) IS involvement in other divisions isn't necessary. IS is involved with other divisions when physical products get connected to the network, but not before. Software should be evaluated by IS only when it becomes necessary for purchase and implementation, not before. Any developed piece of software (we have an in-house programmer in accounting who uses Access -- I know, I know...) should be evaluated by IS when the software is ready to install.

3)I'm too overloaded. With 93 permanent users and 110 workstations (some are floaters), I can't do both systems work and admin work (my title is Systems Administrator, but I carry no management authority) on my own. My proposal stated the need for the creation of staff (a tech and a clerk). Management thinks because things are running, I have no issues, but I'm falling apart from all I have to do to keep things running. I need to offset the load so I can do more of the 'bigger picture' things to help guide this company out of the IS dark ages. (We have no CTO or CIO; Management is made up of engineers from different disciplines)

How would Slashdot users attack this? I've done my Google searches; went back to traditional books from Barnes and Noble; and even contacted my alma mater, Northern Arizona University, to find some answers. How would you prove the need for change on these three points? Can I institute change here?"
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  • What is IS? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by sita ( 71217 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @11:29AM (#14290923)
    Sorry to say, but if the acronym you use is not IBM, introduce it before you use it, or you risk leaving your intended audience by the road side.
  • Me Oh My (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Stanistani ( 808333 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @11:31AM (#14290934) Homepage Journal
    Time to update the ol' resume and make for the exits.

    There is no intelligent life there.

    I've been in a similar situation. Company went belly-up a few years later.
  • Vacation? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by AnonymousCactus ( 810364 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @11:33AM (#14290951)

    This might not help with all of your complaints, but have you thought of taking the longest vacation that you can get away with? You get a nice break and when you get back everything will be so f$#%ed up you'll be the god the big bosses worship.

    Well...ideally...

  • by xxxJonBoyxxx ( 565205 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @11:36AM (#14290970)
    "Anything else is extraneous, and I shouldn't be dealing with it"

    Sounds like you like to live in a more compartmentalized IT shop at a larger company (insurance?) where you can be isolated from reality. I'd start looking for a new job - there are thousands of other IT people who love the jack-of-all-trades hat.

  • Only Way (Score:5, Insightful)

    by nico60513 ( 735846 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @11:37AM (#14290981)
    What is the best way for new IS managers to convince their superiors of the need for widespread change?

    Quit?

    I hate to say it. My experience is that management usually won't take any action until things get bad. As long as you are keeping things running, management won't be willing to make any changes (read as: spend any money).
  • by Monkelectric ( 546685 ) <[moc.cirtceleknom] [ta] [todhsals]> on Monday December 19, 2005 @11:37AM (#14290982)
    Find another job, and quit. Cite as your reasons for leaving the stupid stuff that goes on. They may surprise you and make a counter offer. They probably will not.

    Managements *JOB* is not to "do things right". Its to discover the absolute minimum of funding at which a task can be accomplished.

    It's the same situation at my work -- they put my department (RND) under incredible stress because incredible stress is *CHEAP*. Doing the right thing is expensive. This is why engineering and management are always at eachothers throats.

  • ROI (Score:5, Insightful)

    by isotope23 ( 210590 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @11:42AM (#14291026) Homepage Journal
    I'd have to disagree with you, the core purpose of IS is improving ROI.
    If connectivity does not help the bottom line, it is indeed pointless.

    To make your point, I'd find out what it would cost the company if the
    computers were down for one hour, two hours, etc. Compare those costs
    versus the costs for your requested help. Present that information to management.

    For any new prjoects, I'd compare the estimated time/cost savings.
    If you can put it in dollar terms you have a chance of approval.

  • by Billosaur ( 927319 ) * <<wgrother> <at> <optonline.net>> on Monday December 19, 2005 @11:43AM (#14291031) Journal
    Step 2: Launch a harmless virus, fix it, and then show your superiors what could have happened if you didn't catch it in time. This will ensure the need for your services.

    In the words of Darth Vader, "it is unwise to lower your defenses." Drop the firewall; stop updating the anti-virus. Spend more time on /. until the network begins grinding to a halt. Shuffle from machine to machine, fixing each one slowly and deliberately. Don't answer the phone, pages, or emails. And get your résumé in shape, but forget about expecting a good reference.

    You can't make them understand if they don't already. An IT infrastructure doesn't just spring up full-blown overnight and this cobbled together system you're trying to run is inherently unstable. Without any controls and with no support staff, you can't hope to cope.

  • by arcsine ( 541576 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @11:44AM (#14291038)
    At the place at which I work I have the same problem. The department has dwindled from about 6 to 3, and the third guy just put in his two weeks. Thankfully, I've been able to convince the owner that we need at least one more person. I compiled a list of all things we do on a daily/weekly/monthly/yearly basis, plus all the projects that the rest of the company wanted done. Then I estimated the hours it would take to do all of this.

    When I showed him with 2 guys that I could just keep things running at the status quo - no projects, no improvements - he saw the need for another guy. We're still not going to get the skill I would like - but at least it'll be another useful body.

    I suggest you do the same. Along with documenting when things do go wrong - for yourself - and to present to management. You have to show them that it is because you are doing your job that they do not notice problems or downtime.

    In addition - make sure to establish policy and procedure for interacting with the IS/IT department as soon as possible - otherwise you'll be bothered constantly and will never get anything done.

    I hold a weekly "user" meeting where I let people know what I'm working on, what issues are still open, etc. The key is communication.
  • by cavemanf16 ( 303184 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @11:44AM (#14291045) Homepage Journal
    Process change is a tough thing to do in any company, because people like the status quo - it's comfortable and "known" to them. But you can accomplish change if your superiors see the bottom line needs for it.

    My suggestion is get a simple book on change, perferably something on Six Sigma practices. Something like this book from Amazon (or elsewhere, it's not a referrer link) would be appropriate for you I think: Lean Six Sigma for Service : How to Use Lean Speed and Six Sigma Quality to Improve Services and Transactions [amazon.com].

    The key things to focus on to get management to see your plight is to determine a way to measure your current state (how long does it take to perform workstation maintenance per day, per week, per month? How much time is spent doing any kind of security auditing? How many security incidents have you had this year? etc.), and then present suggestions for improvement on your current state as your expected future state that will SAVE THEM MONEY. This is always what business cares about: making or saving money! So if by being able to hire a clerk or tech to offload some of your current responsibilities it will save you company twice as much as the tech's salary per year, you've just proven the obvious and glaring need to do just that.

    Also, provide them with a documented measurement startegy for the future to ensure that their investment in another employee is benefitting the bottom line.

    If management still says no, and you've clearly made the case that another body is necessary to help you out in your current position, keep yourself open to the possibility that another company can use your help more than your current employer. Healthy companies are open to change when its needed. Unhealthy companies bury their head in the sand and cannot look past maintaining the status quo.

  • Re:Me Oh My (Score:5, Insightful)

    by diersing ( 679767 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @11:44AM (#14291046)
    Ditching ship is ONE path. The other is to use your "management" skills and convince them your way is better.

    If you wanna run around with the big title you have to back it up with the soft skills of massaging management to see it your way. Give them cost/benefits analysis and identify the risks of non-action ~ require them to sign something that they are accepting the risk. Once business decision makers are on the spot and putting their name on something they'll usually read it and give it due consideration.

  • Use "simple" words (Score:2, Insightful)

    by oliderid ( 710055 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @11:50AM (#14291082) Journal

    Avoid tech slang at any cost.

    Propose your plan. A well documented document. Describe all the potential failures the current network may face and the potential dammages. Don't go too much in the details. Use simple sentences, with the potential dammage clearly indentified.

    Define the rules you would like to apply.

    For each rule, set the goal. Tell them simply and clearly why the rule should be applied and what do you want to avoid.

    They arenn't technicians. But they are smart. Simply use words they will understand.

    If you tell them that without any backup for the mail server, the company may face up to 4 days without emails, they will understand.
    If you tell them that the pop server is using outdated hardware and there is probabily that the hardisk may break. Most won't understand.

    Don't send the report without any "face to face" introduction, try to organize meetings. If you are unable to put them all in the same room at the same time, try to meet them one by one in their office, and finish your "lobbying" by emails.

    Once the executives boards is convinced by the neccessity, define a step by step plan. Don't try to change everything in the same week. Propose it and negociate it.

    Once you've got their agreement. Try to make a mailing list and explain clearly to the employees why you will perfom the change and when. Invite them to ask any question they want.

    Olivier
  • Re:Me Oh My (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Geoff NoNick ( 7623 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @11:51AM (#14291089)
    What makes you think the company's management is acting illogically? The system works, the computers get the job done and there are no problems other than the fact that someone hired as a System Administrator now wants to be an I.S. Manager and feels he needs a few more people on staff to justify that title. This company isn't in the business of running a computer network, so why should it dedicate more staff than necessary to maintaining one perfectly when there's nothing impeding the daily running of what the comapny does do?

    If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Obviously this System Administrator thinks that proper I.S. management is the well-spring of all company productivity, but everything looks like a nail to someone with a hammer. I say he just accept the fact that he isn't going to advance his career very far at this company. He should quit for that reason, but don't blame the company for it.
  • Where to start.... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by sammy baby ( 14909 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @11:54AM (#14291107) Journal
    Can you institute change? Maybe. But you're going to have to start with you.

    (I'm assuming that the acronym IS stands for Information Services. I would've said IT, but that's a quibble. If you meant something different, please disregard everything I'm about to say.)

    1) The main job of IS is connectivity. Connectivity is the core of why we have IS. Anything else is extraneous, and I shouldn't be dealing with it.

    The main job of IS is keeping the system running. Any technical issue that prevents someone from doing their job is yours. This alone should be enough to convince your management that a lone guy in an office isn't going to be sufficient support for your organization.

    You're correct in that it's a mistake to view computing as just another facilities issue. However, that doesn't mean that it doesn't reach the same level of importance, and simply put, there's nobody else whose job it is to fix it. That means it's yours. (Or at least, that's what I'd be saying if I were your boss.)

    2) IS involvement in other divisions isn't necessary. IS is involved with other divisions when physical products get connected to the network, but not before. Software should be evaluated by IS only when it becomes necessary for purchase and implementation, not before. Any developed piece of software (we have an in-house programmer in accounting who uses Access -- I know, I know...) should be evaluated by IS when the software is ready to install.

    See, you think this is what you want. Trust me, it's not. Otherwise, you can find yourself in the situation I was in, with a rack full of Linux servers and a department chair demanding to know why the $10K+ Windows-only web app he just bought isn't gonna run.

    3)I'm too overloaded. With 93 permanent users and 110 workstations (some are floaters), I can't do both systems work and admin work (my title is Systems Administrator, but I carry no management authority) on my own.

    You're absolutely right about being overloaded, but you appear to be laboring under the misconception that a "Systems Administrator" is usually a management position. In my experience, it almost never is, unless by chance you tack the word "Senior" to the front, and even then the only people you'll manage are other Systems Administrators.

    My proposal stated the need for the creation of staff (a tech and a clerk). Management thinks because things are running, I have no issues, but I'm falling apart from all I have to do to keep things running. I need to offset the load so I can do more of the 'bigger picture' things to help guide this company out of the IS dark ages. (We have no CTO or CIO; Management is made up of engineers from different disciplines)

    Your management will likely be unsympathetic, but you're not without hope. What I'd do is to brief them on the three biggest issues you're facing. Each brief should be about a minute in length, and all three should be delivered back-to-back. Each one should follow the structure: "this is the problem; here are the consequences of not addressing it; here is what i will need to address it." The trick: the third should be, "My time is fully committed just keeping what we have now together; if left unaddressed, neither the previous two issues, nor the multiple issues haven't mentioned, can be accomplished, resulting in the failure of X, Y, and Z; hire me another tech and an administrative assistant and give me some time to get them up to speed."

    Best of luck.
  • by thebdj ( 768618 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @11:58AM (#14291132) Journal
    I am a firm believer that almost all IT work can be broken down into 3 major groups: Hardware, Software and Network. With that in mind let us proceed with further discussion.

    The easiest to deal with is probably the hardware. The key of course is to keep items under warranty with proper replacement cycles. By doing this the job is pretty simple. If a part of computer X breaks then you can simply call (or use web-based customer service) to receive a replacement part or have someone come out to do the work for you. In my previous place of employ we used Dell hardware on a rotating 3-year cycle. If a warranteed item broke we simply called and had them send out the replacement which we promptly shipped back. The only exception to this was laptops and for those we made them send a service person out, because replacing a motherboard in one of those is not my idea of fun.

    Next up is the software. All software presently in use should be tested on a machine of the desired hardware mentioned above. You will of course have uniformity in machines, because this means you have a lot less problems to worry about. It is the Apple approach, sort of. You will want to be using a single operating system (well maybe two). In this case either Windows 2000 or XP. Build a machine with the specs of all the others and install and test all the software on the machine, once it is running properly, using Symantec Ghost to create images and since you will have the same hardware, you can quickly roll out new machines or re-image bad ones.

    Finally the network. Please tell me they have a properly created network using nice switches and a good hardware firewall. We once found a network closet at a previous place of employ that was connected to the rest of the network with a HUB. Several of us almost died at how horribly setup this was. You are dealing with a small number of computers so I do not expect you to have several grand worth of networking equipment. So long as this is maintained properly, it should never really be a problem.

    Now, how do you sell them on changes being necessary? First off, if you have sporadic and out of warranty hardware, be sure they are perfectly aware that if the machine(s) die that it could take several days or weeks to replace. I know this might be a huge overestimate, but it will give them an idea of the sort of down time that a user could face.
    Next, do a similar survey of the software. Also if you can verify the licenses on everything. If you find any missing licenses tell them of the ramifications and be sure to give them the worst case scenario. We had an instance like this at my last job and several people were upset when they were cut off from software, but at several thousand dollars per license, the company was willing to make a huge deal out of it with us. Any software that is out of warranty also must go or be removed from the network. So those NT4 and 9x machines you might have running around (I hope you don't), need to be taken care of. Once again a proper explanation might do the trick.

    Remember, no matter what all management always wants productivity. So if you show how their system can result in losses of productivity, not only for you but for users, they are more willing to consider change. The key of a good IT department is always going to be to maximize uptime and minimize downtime.

    One final suggestion, request the power to hire and fire. Then remind them of reasonable salary expectations. I am not sure what they are paying you, but a true IT manager should be making 70k or more and good staff at least 40-50k. If you convince them of this, well give me a call because I know a thing or two about straightening out IT departments, I helped fix two of them before I finally started getting engineering jobs.
  • by PDP1134 ( 870593 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @12:00PM (#14291158)
    It sounds like you are having the same problems that we had back in the 70s and 80s when companies who's product wasn't IT related (we called it MIS back then) couldn't accept the concept of why a good IT infrastructure was important.

    I went through several companies back then where I was either the first or one of the first people on staff when the IT department was created. The problem really isn't that you need an IT staff but that since you came up through the ranks you aren't really being respected. This is a problem that is not unique to our industry.

    Unfortunately, I found several times that the only way to deal with the problem of respect for your skills was to leave. At your next job, your background is that you formed the IT department at your previous company (even though it was only you), and you built their network from nothing to roughly 100 users. True, jobs aren't as plentiful as they have been at other times, but the industry is not as bad as it has been and you might need to consider this option.

    If it is safe to make the assumption that you are also not being paid a salary equal to the work you are doing start with that. Tell them that you are doing three jobs and that you want to be paid for at least two of them. They will either a) give you a raise, b) laugh off your comments or c) fire you. If they fire you then you've got a valid case against them for wrongful termination -- especially since they work with government contracts and have to adhere to higher employment standards than other companies.

    If they laugh off your comments then they obviously don't have the ability to ever learn to respect you. That when you take the resume that you updated TODAY and start sending out copies.

    But if they do offer to give you a raise, ask the followup question: and when does my assistant start so that someone is doing the third job now that you are paying me for the first two?

    Believe it or not, that actually worked for me once. Unfortunately, five years later when there were ten people in the department they decided to replace me with two kids fresh out of college that they could get for half of what they were paying me. I was closing in on 30, which even in the 1980s was starting to be considered over the hill as a programmer. ARGH!!!!!!

    And don't rip up the resume if they give you a raise and an assistant. I learned that lesson the hard way back in 1981 when I got the raise and then was squeezed out a few months later after they thought that my newly appointed assistant knew enough to do the job. He didn't, but he did do something that I didn't do when I left. When he was fired three months later he wiped out all the source code from the production system libraries and erased the backup system disks (this was on a Data General M600 with the old 20lb zebra drives). They had to call me and pay a ton of money for me to come in and restore everything.
  • Re:Me Oh My (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Jim_Maryland ( 718224 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @12:01PM (#14291169)
    My brother experienced a similar situation to what this guys is. He worked for a commercial water heater manufacturer who essentially looked at computers the same way the look at a tool on the assembly line. I doubt they would create a department around a machine press so they wouldn't create one around computers.

    I agree with you though that this company isn't likely to be the lifelong career provider for this guy. I'd look for a more traditional company where information systems are looked at as a valuable service rather than an expensive tool.
  • by HikingStick ( 878216 ) <z01riemer AT hotmail DOT com> on Monday December 19, 2005 @12:03PM (#14291181)
    You're on the right track here. Try to quanitfy how much more efficient you will be if you can offload the common tasks on an administrative support person. If you are not already capturing detailed time data, do so. Take that in, letting management know you are spending x hours per period/month/year on task a, task b, task c, etc. on tasks that normally can be handled by other personnel. Then pull out typical job descriptions for such junior roles (many State employment sites list common job titles and associated duties) and show them how much money they can save by hiring the jr-level staffer. Of course, make sure you clearly define what you will be doing with all of your "extra" time, but that should get you on the right path.
  • Re:Me Oh My (Score:5, Insightful)

    by rovingeyes ( 575063 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @12:03PM (#14291187)
    Time to update the ol' resume and make for the exits.

    Seriously, I would never hire you. In fact mentality like yours is definitely a sure fire disaster recipe. Here is what I deduce from your comment:

    • You run away from challenges.
    • You lack proper communication skills (It is important for IT person to explain stuff to average Joe in his language).
    • You definitely are not a leader.
    • You apparently think very higly of yourself.
    • You are definitely not a self starter.
    • You are not reliable.

    With qualities like that I am amazed, you still have a job. This guy has the zeal to learn and to introduce change. He is showing leadership skills, trying to improve how things work in the company. A guy like that is an asset. Instead of giving him useful advise, you tell him to bolt and you have been modded insightful. And still you wonder why your job is being outsourced. Come to think of it you are asking for it.
  • by tompaulco ( 629533 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @12:04PM (#14291193) Homepage Journal
    Doing things right is ALWAYS the long term low cost option. Doing things right is seldom the short term low cost option. Management is short term. Guess what management is going to do.
  • Re:ROI (Score:3, Insightful)

    by dada21 ( 163177 ) * <adam.dada@gmail.com> on Monday December 19, 2005 @12:07PM (#14291211) Homepage Journal
    Good points, but in manufacturing many companies don't consider investments and returns -- they look at input costs based solely on labor and material and output costs based on market demand and production efficiencies.

    It is very difficult to convince a manufacturer that there can be a return on the investment of IS labor or hardware. We've worked a number of years solely on manufacturing and assembly clients and they're the absolute worst in believing that technology can make them more profitable.

    I've toured manufacturing competitors in Asia and Mexico and I was utterly blown away by how efficient their IS groups were compared to the shops here in the U.S. I hold similar beliefs to yours (read your blog), so I think you'd agree that our labor organizations may hold a big hand against the unorganized IS workers.
  • Re:Me Oh My (Score:3, Insightful)

    by qwijibo ( 101731 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @12:08PM (#14291217)
    I wouldn't be surprised to find this to be the norm for smaller companies. Computers ARE tools. It's only in companies whose business is tightly integrated with these tools that they need to maintain the in-house expertise needed to keep things running smoothly. It's no different than any other critical tool. IT people are not as likely to end up at these kinds of companies because they don't already recognize the need. Most companies use computers because they're normal, but wouldn't go out of business if they had a few go down occaisionally.
  • by dillon_rinker ( 17944 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @12:11PM (#14291240) Homepage
    "Management views IS as a facilities function; computers are a tool, and only a tool."
    And they are correct. If it doesn't provably add to the bottom line, they don't care. How do you view motors, electrical outlets, and HVAC systems? How do you view pens and paper? Computers are analogous. Your management's view is at least the most popular view. If you don't like it, you will be unhappy working as an IS manager in most environments.

    1a. Pragmatically, the main job of IS is to do whatever company management thinks IS should do. You are part of a relatively small enterprise; it is your job to help out that enterprise any way you can with whatever resources you have. If that means you draft, proofread, and type a memo about employee parking, you do it. And you don't complain. The 'leet crowd will disagree, I'm sure, but unless you are abslutely irreplaceable (and no one is), you don't make yourself appear to be a prima donna whose willingness to work is limited.

    1b. The main job of IS is to make sure that everyone can use their computers. Connectivity is included in that, but so is installing software, reconnecting keyboards, writing login scripts, patching servers, and (insert your least favorite computer-related task here). IS is the department with the people that make working with computers seem as easy as breathing. It is their job to make it easier for everyone else to deal with computers.

    Corollary to 1b: This includes the secretary who is incapable of rebooting her own computer, can't use the Start Menu, and tries to scan documents by running the optical mouse over them. ("At my last job, we had a business card scanner had a light on the bottom, so I thought...") And you do it with a smile and reassure her that everyone has this trouble.

    2a. IS involvement in other divisions is the purpose of IS. What, you're only providing connectivity and computer services to your own division? Or perhaps you're pushing cookie cutter solutions onto a company that doesn't need them? ("Hey, 'IS Manager' magazine says ALL the cool manufacturing IS managers are doing it!") If you're not talking to other division managers and finding ways that you can help them, you will find yourself replaced by someone who will.

    2b. IS involvement in everything that affects IS is essential. Otherwise, some bright, eager, manager is going to put lots of time and effort project that will consequently be impossible for you to kill, and will ruin your whole year. Standardizing the product design department on Macs, perhaps? Or converting all the legal department's documents to WordPerfect format? This is a political struggle. You want to be present at the meetings where bad ideas are born so that you can strangle them. If you limit your involvement to saying "No, that's not a good idea" just when someone else is ready to hand their project over to IT, you will be disliked and frequently over-ruled.

    3. What you've proposed is tripling the payroll costs of IT for no appreciable benefit to the company. In the eyes of company management, things are running fine. If you are really falling apart, you need to find yourself another offer of employment. With that in hand, find out if your company is amenable to improving your situation. If not, walk. I doubt that you are going to succeed in setting yourself up as a CIO, which is what your situation really needs. You have no management authority, and getting some is the only way to really fix the situation.

    I've been in your position and held your mindset before, and it's not easy. I cannot emphasize enough that you must both understand management's mindset AND be prepared to leave. Otherwise, you will be unable to negotiate a satisfactory resolution to your issues. At the very least, I would agree that you need a tech to work with you; a ratio of 1:100 is ridiculous.

    Good luck; you'll need it.
  • First (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Holi ( 250190 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @12:11PM (#14291244)
    Get it through your head you are not an IT manager. As your title states you are a sys admin, From what you've said your job is to keep things running not to make sweeping changes.
  • by qwijibo ( 101731 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @12:24PM (#14291375)
    Doing things right is rarely the long term low cost option. What is long term to you? Next quarter, year, decade, century? If you knew the lifespan of a solution in advance, you would plan accordingly. However, that's rarely the case in the real world. Management looks at the short term because that's where the least exposure exists. Most projects are not critical, so quick fix solutions are good. Something that could put the company out of business if it failed is going to get more resources allocated to ensure it doesn't fail.

    Management is often content with workable solutions because they're workable and they're solutions. That's an improvement over what they have, so it fulfills the minimum need of getting something done. To us techies, it's a kludge (an inelegant, but functional hack), but to management it's a solution. Anyone who doesn't look behind the curtain doesn't care how the wizard works.

    I'll use an example of a project I worked on last year - it took about 8 months for 5 programmers to replace an existing (slow, unreliable and expensive) system. The up front cost of that project was fairly high, but the ongoing cost is pretty low. There are many opportunities for improving upon that system to do things the right way. However, there's no money in the budget for improving something that works fine. If instead of 6-9 months, it were a 2-5 year project to do everything right, it would not have gotten done. That would leave the company with the slow, unreliable and expensive system, or nothing to handle that particular business function. If there was a need to improve the system we created to expand its capabilities, it would be possible to do so. If many of the areas for improvement were addressed, the total time spent would be more than it would have been to do it right the first time. However, having a fully functional system now would be the basis for such a project, so the level of confidence in succeeding would be much higher. Nobody expected us to finish our project on time and successfully.

    As a technical person, one side of me is offended by all the corner cutting that is done to hit irresponsible deadlines. However, there's also the practical view that, even with all those compromises, the new process takes less than a week to do what used to take a couple of months.
  • Re:Me Oh My (Score:2, Insightful)

    by rubycodez ( 864176 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @12:26PM (#14291391)
    How 1950's of you, to think that a person must stay and be unhappy in a shitty job in a shitty company because it's the noble thing to do and an opportunity to conquer a challenge and provide leadership. This is 2005, where loyalty and tenure mean nothing, and usually the people who rise to the top aren't the ones who innovate or have a long term vision or actually do the real work that makes the company go, but the schmoozer used-car-salesman MBA-duckspeak turds who rise to the top of the septic tank. In 2005, with IT hiring picking up, treat your job like underwear, if it's dirty or uncomfortable change it, you'll be alot happier and make more money.
  • by miketo ( 461816 ) <miketo@nRABBITwlink.com minus herbivore> on Monday December 19, 2005 @12:28PM (#14291417)
    I agree with the parent; if you can take some time to put together a business plan, you are more than halfway there. Some suggestions to help you along the way:

    * Identify a "champion" in upper management and work together to get approval for the plan. If you don't have a higher-up who thinks what you are doing is worthwhile, you will continue to be a voice in the wilderness.

    * Tie your project to a pain point. You and your champion need to identify something that's bothering the CEO and CFO, and figure out how to fix it. Most CxOs don't care if the receptionist's PC is running Windows 95 and takes more time for you to fix it. They will care if you can accelerate revenue (ship product faster) or reduce expenses (reduce time inventory sits in the warehouse).

    * An alternative is to improve the decision-making ability: deliver more accurate information or deliver information faster. This gives a business the basis for a competitive advantage.

    * Start small. Keep your project's scope simple and discrete. Grand plans to integrate systems don't fly; things to eliminate redundancy or repetitive data entry work better (wireless inventory updates from the warehouse, for example).

    It's tough to see this situation when you are a person who cares about the job they do, can see how to improve the network, and yet can't get the initiatives approved. As others have pointed out, you may be working for a company that is a late traditionalist / very late adopter. If they think things are running "good enough" they will resist change in spite of evidence to the contrary.

    In that case, go to where your years of experience are appreciated. Get your resume together and get another job.
  • Re:The best way (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 19, 2005 @12:29PM (#14291427)
    While I am in complete agreement with you, I don't think it will work in this situation.

    Since the company hasn't made a complete switch to computers, they'll just fall back on their old habbits if the one of the computers die one day that week or they'll just log onto a friends...

    In this situation, and I hate to say this, it would probably be best if he went on vacation on a Friday and mid-morning Monday or Tuesday,login to one of their routers and kill internet access. That will fubar their email, shopping, etc. At that point, they WILL call him if no one can get anything to work. At that point, the best thing to say is "I can be in tomorrow, I'm out on the lake right now..." When he comes in, act all pissed off and say that it was a simple fix (like restarting a router-but use the techno babble) and tell them this wouldn't have happened if a second person where brought onto the team.

    When he explains that he needs more than one person for the network, he also needs to use an analogy for their situation. If they make vehicles something like 'currently, its kind of like only having 1 welder for the whole production line - it can work but it doesn't work well..."

    If I where in this hard headed situation, this is honestly what I would do. I'm not a mean person, but some people have to be forced to change habbits and see the light. When working for an ISP, I cannot count how many times people canceled our service because we changed our homepage - people just don't like change.
  • by operagost ( 62405 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @12:31PM (#14291437) Homepage Journal
    Wow-- yours is the first post in this topic that approached the problem from a management standpoint rather than some passive-aggressive point of view!

    I might point out that he not forget specific examples over his tenure that could have been addressed more effectively with an organized IT department. He should put all of this into a well-organized report and schedule a presentation in front of both his boss(es) and those of affected departments.

  • Re:Me Oh My (Score:2, Insightful)

    by thePowerOfGrayskull ( 905905 ) <marc...paradise@@@gmail...com> on Monday December 19, 2005 @12:42PM (#14291522) Homepage Journal
    Remember that the company you work views IS -- and always will -- as a necessary burden in order to keep the company running. It will always be a burden, because it will never contribute to the bottom line.

    1) The main job of IS is connectivity.
    In a place such as you've described, the main job of IS is to be invisible while keeping systems running. That means being aware of all software and hardware (because part of the job also includes responding to vendor audits) currently in use across all departments. All of it affects your ability to do your job. Preferably, it also includes standardizing means of software acquisition and installation

    2) IS involvement in other divisions isn't necessary.
    It's your job to get involved as soon as possible with these processes -- because it will be up to YOU to install, maintain and troubleshoot them. As a general rule, all software and hardware should be evaluated LONG BEFORE it's ready to be installed. Waiting until the last minute, not getting involved with initial discussions and evaluations, etc, will only kick you in the ass later.

    3)I'm too overloaded. With 93 permanent users and 110 workstations (some are floaters), I can't do both systems work and admin work (my title is Systems Administrator, but I carry no management authority) on my own.
    You are correct -- but you must be able to outline a business case, complete with some form of cost/benefit analysis that supports this. Simply saying, "I'm overworked" won't suffice.
  • Re:Me Oh My (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Hiro Antagonist ( 310179 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @12:46PM (#14291556) Journal
    I think he (the article poster) needs to make it clear that computers are tools with continuous maintenance requirements, much like other large-scale capital goods. Most industrial equipment requires a fair amount of maintenance to keep it running, and not performing that maintenance leads to Big Problems and Massive Expenses down the road.

    The article poster is correct in his assessment; a company with over a hundred users, nearly all of which have a computer, needs about two full-time IT guys (desktops take more work to manage than servers, doubly so in a Windows environment). Management needs to know not only how overworked this guy is in his current position, but what the ramifications are of not having any 'preventive maintenance' being done on their systems.

    Data theft is just one possibility, of course. Loss of critical data due to lack of a cohesive backup procedure, downtime from failed equipment, and even potential loss of customers -- I know I wouldn't place any sort of large order with a company if they didn't take steps to protect my information.
  • by tacokill ( 531275 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @01:05PM (#14291718)
    If you are not in the IT business, then your goal as a manager/owner is to minimize your costs (real and "soft") to the absolute lowest point possible that is bearable. If, on the other hand, your business is IT (ie: consulting company or something), then you might put much more into it.

    This isn't rocket science. IT, for most companies, is a cost center. Treating it as otherwise is bad for business and will lead you to spend lots of dollars with little return. THIS IS HOW IT HAS BEEN AND HOW IT WILL BE IN THE FUTURE.

  • Re:Me Oh My (Score:3, Insightful)

    by MindStalker ( 22827 ) <mindstalker@[ ]il.com ['gma' in gap]> on Monday December 19, 2005 @01:09PM (#14291753) Journal
    Believe it or not, many people do not rate money to happyness. Quality of job and making a difference mean a lot to many people.
  • Re:Me Oh My (Score:4, Insightful)

    by d'fim ( 132296 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @01:12PM (#14291781)
    If that company had 100 machine presses - and everybody, even the CEO, needed to run a machine press six out of eight hours a day - then they would probably have more than one machine press mechanic.

    In my company it's executive email. Screw all of the other users and their workstations - if the President can't get his AOL on his laptop then his "network department" (i.e. me, myself, and I) does NOTHING else until he's back online.
  • by Morrigu ( 29432 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @01:53PM (#14292182) Homepage Journal
    240:1 servers:admins. Admin = me. I did have a backup, but only in the sense of "help help everthing's on fire and he's out can anyone help?". Elsewhere, I've done 20:1 users:admins w/ mixed NT + Unix workstations, 100:1 users:support staff (30 staff = 8 server admins, 14 helpdesk staff, 8 managers; and yes, that's too many managers), and 10:1 servers:admins in an overstaffed gov't Unix shop. Right now it's something like 50:1 servers:admins for the boxes I'm dealing with.

    Automation is your friend. If you don't know a scripting language, learn one. Hell, spending an hour reading the output of 'help' from an NT command prompt and going through each command to figure out what it does and doesn't do is a good starting point if you're not already familiar with Windows batch files. You're going to have to learn some combination of shell scripting, Perl and Expect in the *nix world. PHP + MySQL are good to know too, for being able to throw up a quick web-based solution to a business problem, or to modify an existing open-source LAMP application to suit your purpose.

    It's doable, and I still have time to spend hacking on side projects, doing additional automation + scripts for other people and departments, writing/customizing reports and reading Slashdot. :)

    Look at ways to reduce or completely eliminate time spent on repetitive tasks. Fewer bigger servers > more smaller servers. Consider your architecture in terms of what users need to do and how to do that for the least possible effort and cost. If you have a fast, reliable network and users don't need to run local I/O intensive apps (2D/3D manipulation programs like Photoshop or AutoCAD are classic examples) on their desks, look at using Citrix or Tarantella or NoMachine or SunRays to serve desktops remotely and cut down on admin costs for supporting apps. Put data in a central location and BACK IT UP. Databases are good. Performance monitoring is good. Centralized management is good. But remember that not all solutions work for all environments, remember to be flexible and aware of your organization's needs because the Gods of Good IT Practice won't pay your rent at the end of the month.

    Look at possible points of failure and figure out what it would cost to eliminate or reduce them, and come up with a cost/benefit picture for management. There will be times when management says no, but as long as they recognize that not spending $2k now could lead to a weeklong network outage, then you've at least let them know the consequences.
  • Re:Me Oh My (Score:3, Insightful)

    by BVis ( 267028 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @02:01PM (#14292277)
    Believe it or not, many people do not rate money to happyness. Quality of job and making a difference mean a lot to many people.
    The bank doesn't take job satisfaction as payment on your mortgage. Nor can you eat job satisfaction.
     
    For most people, your employer has no interest in your quality of job or in your making a difference. You're there to shut up and take it. The least you can do is get paid well enough to take the sting out of it.
     
    Money may not buy happiness, but poverty sucks.
  • Re:I.S.? (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 19, 2005 @02:03PM (#14292313)
    Karma Whoring? [wikipedia.org]
  • by dosquatch ( 924618 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @02:25PM (#14292530) Journal

    The first, most common, and most significant mistake that most IT shops make is that they are managing technology. This is wrong. The computer has no wants or needs, no defined function, no need to connect with other computers, save for what the user imposes on it. The computer is a tool, no more and no less. It is a high-tech hammer for pounding digital nails. Never forget this. Your job is to provide the best tool possible for the person using it. That means that you must understand for what it will be used, which in turn means you must understand the person, which means that the primary job of IT is customer service. You, dear computer geek, to be successful, must be a People Person.

    Users have certain needs, desires, and expectations of their tools. If the tool does not give the desired result, it is a useless tool. If you are in charge of that useless tool, then you, too, are useless. No amount of ranting, railing, policy, or scope statement to the contrary will change this simple fact. If you're not part of the solution and all that. You are in charge of the whole tool, not just connectivity. In a larger organization with thousands of connected devices you can break the job up into different groups (network, desktop, development, helpdesk) - but with 110 machines, it's all you, baby.

    Talk to your users. Sit in on planning meetings that involve technology or new software. Know what they want to do and why they're looking at this piece of software or hardware to do it. You may be able to offer insights. Maybe the desired result is an unexplored function of software you already have. Maybe there's a different package available that will do what they want better than what they're looking at. Maybe what they want isn't exactly what they're asking for. You won't know any of this unless you participate.

    Use the staff you already have. You said you're on your own. You also said that there are 93 permanent users. Use them. Deputize one or two technically savvy people from each department and make them your first line of defense. Your personal noise level will drop more than you'd believe by weeding out all of the problems that can be solved by rebooting and checking that connections are tight. Spreading this over a dozen people significantly lightens your day without negatively impacting theirs.

    Know, also, that your users don't understand the tool. They understand what they do with the tool. They know how to run a sales report without having the foggiest idea of how a database works. They know how to go to Google without having ever heard of TCP/IP, or knowing why T-568A and T-568B are different. They'll hand you a 4" square piece of plastic and report that "their hard drive is broken". So what? They don't need to know nuts and bolts. (What percentage of automobile drivers could change their own crankshaft? What percentage of residential electric customers could troubleshoot voltage drop on a generator?)

    That's why you, the expert, are there. You, dear people person, to be successful, must be a competent Computer Geek. Don't try to teach technology to your users. It wastes your time, and annoys the users. Save the acronyms, jargon, and 1337-5p34k for the tech groups. Answer their questions as simply and as directly as possible. Learn to recognize blank stares or nervous fidgets. If you see either, then you've gone on too long or shot too far over their head with your answer. Wrap it up or dumb it down. Communicate, absolutely, but let them be happy with the answer on their own level. An informed user with a fixed problem (or at least the knowledge that you're on the case) is a Happy User who will sing your praises. This is the lifeblood of job security and a pleasant workday. Cultivate it.

  • by Dasein ( 6110 ) <tedc@codebig. c o m> on Monday December 19, 2005 @02:48PM (#14292769) Homepage Journal
    Doing things right is ALWAYS the long term low cost option. Doing things right is seldom the short term low cost option. Management is short term. Guess what management is going to do.
    So, basically, management discounts future costs heavily. The reason that they do so is because, like peons such as myself, there's basically no job security. Have a bad quarter, get stabbed in the back in the board room/executive suite.

    Is it any surprise that people act this way?
  • by Fulcrum of Evil ( 560260 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @03:02PM (#14292927)

    It's the same situation at my work -- they put my department (RND) under incredible stress because incredible stress is *CHEAP*. Doing the right thing is expensive. This is why engineering and management are always at eachothers throats.

    Incredible stress is bloody expensive when you burn out your employees and suddenly nobody knows how the system works.

  • Re:Only Way (Score:3, Insightful)

    by magarity ( 164372 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @03:15PM (#14293066)
    My experience is that management usually won't take any action until things get bad
     
    A lot of previous comments along the same line all indicate one thing: Too many universities don't put the MIS department in the college of business. The flip side of your complain about management is: Management won't lift a finger until they see a proper business plan indicating the benefits of *insert project here*.
     
    It isn't an IT problem. A factory manager might want to expand his loading dock area but management won't lift a finger until he shows them a plan indicating the benefits.
     
    All this whining about management not wanting to do anything really means that the IT people doing the whining don't know how to make the case. And since the golden rule is that those with the gold make the rules, the topic poster had better learn to speak management if he wants better responsiveness.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20, 2005 @01:11AM (#14296714)
    Actually, your goal is to maximize profit. This can be done by minimizing costs and maximizing income. If you're not in the IT business, IT is frequently seen as a cost that must be minimized. This is not necessarily the case when IT is employed to reduce costs in other areas (this is why we have cost/benefit analyses). If you're in the IT business, IT is a source of income and of course is thus a major investment. Basically, the point is, if you want to increase the investment in IT, increase its benefit to the company.
  • Re:Me Oh My (Score:3, Insightful)

    by jschottm ( 317343 ) on Wednesday December 21, 2005 @01:38PM (#14310347)
    This company isn't in the business of running a computer network, so why should it dedicate more staff than necessary to maintaining one perfectly when there's nothing impeding the daily running of what the comapny does do?

    Computers have become vital to just about any office at this point. Having a single source of failure (getting hit by a bus, quitting, being on vacation) is a really poor idea for mission critical resources. I've seen hundreds of employees idled for an average of an hour a week due to poorly administered database systems at the cost of roughly $40,000 in wasted hours per week.

    Is blowing a multimillion dollar government contract because the sysadmin gets overly stressed out and quits without writing down the system passwords really worth it?

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