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Do You Tell a Job Candidate How Badly They Did? 702

skelter asks: "I have been lamenting with friends in the industry about interviewing woes and the candidates that we find. Consider a hypothetical job candidate comes in after some how making it through screening. In the team technical interview they prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that not only is he (or she) not as adequate as he thinks he is, but has demonstrated that he is a danger to any code base. Do you tell them? Quietly step away, usher them out and say nothing? Play with them on the whiteboard the way your cat plays with injured mice? Should you leave them as their own warning to others? Is there any obligation to guide them to gaining real experience? Can you give them any advice or is it all liability?"
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Do You Tell a Job Candidate How Badly They Did?

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  • Just... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 10, 2007 @07:56PM (#17548858)
    act crazy... bitch slap one of your coworkers in front of him. Cut up some fruit in the kitchen and use a really sharp knife. Grin while you're doing it. Then show him your scarification.

    Scream something random to people in the next room at unpredictable intervals.

    By the time the interview's over, a callback will be the last thing they're wondering about.
  • by forkazoo ( 138186 ) <wrosecrans@@@gmail...com> on Wednesday January 10, 2007 @08:00PM (#17548910) Homepage
    Certainly, I think an interviewer has zero obligation to spend his time explaining to somebody what they did wrong. Certainly not for free.

    That said, I think in many circumstances, it can be a good thing to explain to somebody why they didn't get the gig. If they undertake a course of self improvement, they could potentially apply for a different position in a few years and prove a really valuable asset. Before I left my last job, there was a huge amount of bitterness related to internal job applications for position transfers. People would be rejected with no idea why. It was killing morale. I don't know if they ever improved the situation, but it would have been really easy to say,
    "Look, Suzie Q, when we open up to public applications, most of the people applying for this type of position have qualifications X,Y, and Z in these amounts. You only have X, and only in this amount. So, it's not personal, but I think we are going to keep looking. If you really want to move into this position, we really think that only A and not B will be the best route to getting Y and Z."

    Instead, with really vague requirements, people thought they were perfectly qualified, and had no idea how to get better-qualified. They also thought that it was just a matter of personal grudges.

    With external applicants, I think it is less important, but it doesn't usually hurt. I suppose you might consider it valuable to keep some of the stunning idiots in the industry in hopes that they will work with your competitors. But, you may eventually work with them too. And, you will have to maintain their code. Probably safer for everybody just to point out to them how clueless they are.

    And, when I'm away from my day job, I do theater stuff. I was recently involved in some auditions to expand an improv troupe I am in. Not everybody got individual commentary, but the folks dismissed in the first round did at least get a general explanation. Everybody who made it past the first cut got an explanation of what impressed the director, and what he thought they could most work on - both the folks who made it and those who didn't. Personally, I wish we could have taken a little more time to offer personal advice to some of the folks in the first round. I would have liked suggesting that the hot chicks take classes that I can sit in on and watch them learn. Especially one blonde. I tried to convince the director that she should join the troupe and just not be allowed to say anything. I would have been cool with that.
  • Uhhh.... (Score:2, Funny)

    by posterlogo ( 943853 ) on Wednesday January 10, 2007 @08:09PM (#17549022)
    Oh NO YOU DIDN'T!! You DID NOT just correct someone's grammer using two sentences starting with uncapitalized words. SNAP!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 10, 2007 @08:16PM (#17549090)
    s/may be/is/; s/but he may still read/so he probably reads/
  • by dangitman ( 862676 ) on Wednesday January 10, 2007 @08:24PM (#17549184)
    They're gay-female-Inuit-single-parents, you insensitive clod!
  • by dangitman ( 862676 ) on Wednesday January 10, 2007 @08:27PM (#17549222)
    That's not the way to go about it. You hire these failures, and then you slowly crush their soul and destroy their lives, then sue them. Isn't that what business is all about? As if I'm going to hire the best and brightest. That's no fun.
  • by celardore ( 844933 ) * on Wednesday January 10, 2007 @08:30PM (#17549274)
    Well, the link in your signature is something like http: //adultmediaboard.com, so sorry but you have not been successful this time. We welcome your application in future.

    Best regards,

    Lois, file this under recycling please.
  • by Joe Snipe ( 224958 ) on Wednesday January 10, 2007 @09:12PM (#17549854) Homepage Journal
    I would have liked suggesting that the hot chicks take classes that I can sit in on and watch them learn. Especially one blonde.

    from insightful to offtopic in 3 paragraphs
  • by megaditto ( 982598 ) on Wednesday January 10, 2007 @09:13PM (#17549882)
    based on his momma telling him he could code better than God, and anyone who doesnt know it, should die.
    Oh, don't be so cocky. I am fortunate to know a guy who awhile back was told -in writing- that his research sucked and was a complete waste of time.

    That guy went on to get a Nobel Prize for the said research in 2005 and now he opens his talks by showing the "fuckoff" rejection letter...

    Luckily for the idiot that wrote the letter, Dr. Marshall magnanimously blacks out the name and the sig!

    The lesson here is: be nice to "insecure geeks."
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 10, 2007 @09:14PM (#17549890)
    I've also been warning everyone I can get my hands on to avoid using that employment agency.

    I think I know the agency you're talking about. Is it that one with all the worthless, low-life scumbags? Oh wait, that's just about all of them.

    It's okay, I'm not bitter.

  • by alienmole ( 15522 ) on Wednesday January 10, 2007 @09:24PM (#17550018)
    As for playing with them like your cat plays with injured mice, I don't want to even apply for your company. What the hell?
    Perhaps it's just my dry, ex-British-colony derived sense of humo(u)r, but I rather think that was an attempt at levity by the submitter, what?
  • by Loco Moped ( 996883 ) on Wednesday January 10, 2007 @09:35PM (#17550174)
    It seems a fairly disturbing trend that most IT jobs now insist on candidates having experience that would seem to preclude anyone over 30.

    How's that?
    I'm over 60, and I've been in IT since the late '70s.
    I have less than 6 years of experience.
    (between naps, lunch, and endless meetings)
  • Re:YES!!! (Score:3, Funny)

    by ckaminski ( 82854 ) <slashdot-nospam.darthcoder@com> on Wednesday January 10, 2007 @10:24PM (#17550748) Homepage
    One job I was interiewing for a year or two ago came down to me and another guy. Nearest I can figure, the owner took one look at my white sneakers and not black dress shoes (silly thing on my part, I know), and when it came down to equal technical skills, chose the other guy on appearance/detail (reasonable). Silly thing is, they replaced that guy six months later with my coworker from the company who eventually hired me.

    Tiny little things...
  • by frieza79 ( 947618 ) on Wednesday January 10, 2007 @10:32PM (#17550802)

    When you say "eskimo", you're just as clueful as any stupid redneck who says "nigger". And you deserve as well to be beaten-up.

    So you are saying Eskimo Pie is like a nigger pie?
    Me:"Mmm, Eskimo Pie!!"
    Native Alaskan-American: "Lets get him!!!"
  • by Opie812 ( 582663 ) on Wednesday January 10, 2007 @10:53PM (#17551042)
    Please note, that when calling somebody a "clueless dick" do not - I repeat - do not use the incorrect version of your/you're.

    (you're welcome)
  • by galimore ( 461274 ) on Wednesday January 10, 2007 @11:15PM (#17551260)
    Interviewer: "You're not very technical are you?"

    Interviewee: "Oh, yeah, well... I read slashdot religously."

    So naturally the correct way to inform them is as an anonymous coward... No company liability. ;)
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 10, 2007 @11:18PM (#17551278)
    Just googled you, "Anonymous Coward", and I think you... spend too much time on slahsdot.
  • by Flowmaster ( 934102 ) on Wednesday January 10, 2007 @11:38PM (#17551482)

    Sorry, who the fuck in IT is going to create a position for $8 an hour? I've seen interns get paid more than that, for fuck's sake. Any dolt can flip burgers for better pay.

    I started out doing tech support for an ISP at $8.25/hr. Of course, this was 13 years ago.

    Hmm...flip burgers or spend 8 hours a day telling retirees how to double click? Not an easy choice there.

  • by soft_guy ( 534437 ) on Thursday January 11, 2007 @12:03AM (#17551732)
    There are too many people in tech as it is, that's why I shoot to death anyone I choose not to hire.
  • by malus ( 6786 ) * on Thursday January 11, 2007 @12:08AM (#17551762) Journal
    I love your statement, "... dangerous to any code base". that's just flawless, really.

    I'm currently working for a company I interviewed for out of desperation. I really needed a job close to home, as I was about to have a baby. The job was mine, easily, based on my skillset and their desperation for someone to 'bail them out'. After 6 months of doing basically nothing productive at this company, I find myself, on a daily basis, watching my manager, errrr "DIRECTOR!" [don't steal his rank from him!] tearing this company to shreds with his empty promises and lack of self control.

    "My cock is HUGE! And behold as I whip it out, and write magnificent code! I will solve all of your problems with one swift stroke!"

    This poor COBOL bastard couldn't tell me the difference between preceding-sibling and ancestor-or-self, let alone the difference between a private or public var, yet, this fuckmonkey is in charge of this small family-owned statistics business. Ridiculous.

    "I am the Bratt and you shall beat On me with your baseball bat!" ... sometimes the prospective employee isn't the dangerous one, rather, it's the inflexible management who is dangerous to the codebase.
  • by StarvingSE ( 875139 ) on Thursday January 11, 2007 @01:44AM (#17552554)
    How much is a Big Mac? $10.00??? Is the damn clamshell box gold plated????
  • by dhalgren ( 34798 ) on Thursday January 11, 2007 @03:39AM (#17553308)
    Grease? What if it's *electrical*?

    Torben
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 11, 2007 @05:54AM (#17554014)
    Dear Mr/s Galimore

    RE: Application post z6334-1207 - Galactic Emperor

    Thank you for your interest in this position. We are sorry to inform you that you have been unsuccessful in your application. It was felt that your previous experience as the Assistant Clerk for Staples and Miscellaneous Objects for the General Services Department of Polk County, Iowa, fell short of the standard required for this position. We suggest you may wish to apply for the vacant Senatorial position on Naboo.

    Yours sincerely,

    Valorum, Chancellor of the Republic
  • by eneville ( 745111 ) on Thursday January 11, 2007 @08:20AM (#17554730) Homepage

    As for playing with them like your cat plays with injured mice, I don't want to even apply for your company. What the hell?
    Perhaps it's just my dry, ex-British-colony derived sense of humo(u)r, but I rather think that was an attempt at levity by the submitter, what?
    yes this is british humour. the russians are also known for dark humour, and vodka, of course.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 11, 2007 @10:33AM (#17556030)
    Eskimo, please!

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