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Death of the Button? Analog vs. Digital 329

mattnyc99 writes "Instapundit's Glenn Reynolds is sick of navigating menus to turn up the heat—while he's trying to drive. His take in the article (as well as a a no-holds-barred podcast) is that modern tech product designers should get back to analog controls before iPhone users get sick of looking down at their touchscreen everytime they dial without a dial. It may be up to you: Whither dangerous auto technology, or long live the touchscreen?"
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Death of the Button? Analog vs. Digital

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  • by Achromatic1978 ( 916097 ) <robert.chromablue@net> on Friday March 30, 2007 @05:36PM (#18549641)
    A nice system, definitely. Mind you, I like the one in my Prius: press button on steering wheel. "Say voice command." "Temperature, x degrees" "Temperature set to x degrees.", or "Restaurants" "Showing all restaurants in area.", or "Cruise Control, 60mph." "Cruise control set, 60mph."
  • by AaronW ( 33736 ) on Friday March 30, 2007 @05:44PM (#18549749) Homepage
    I was about to say the same thing with my Prius. Most of the common things I need to do I can do from the steering wheel, and in addition there is still an analog volume control (for quickly adjusting the volume). Now there are still times I need to hit the touch screen, but usually not often. The main things I usually need to adjust are the radio and climate control, and both are easily settable on the steering wheel for 90% of the things I need to do. It took me a little while to adjust to the new controls, but now that I'm familiar with them I do not need to take my eyes off of the road.
  • by TastyWheat ( 302413 ) on Friday March 30, 2007 @05:50PM (#18549809)
    It's only flame bait if there was actually anybody who cares about Glenn Reynolds on Slashdot. I guarantee there aren't many Reynolds supporters here except the few wingnuts that came here because Reynolds posted on his blog that he got cited here.

    Posting a topic that says Glenn Reynolds is sick of Computer Menus is like saying Ann Coulter is sick of iPods.
    Who cares what either of them think about such things. They are totally irrelevant in the tech world.

    I'm extremely disappointed that Slashdot has given a hate monger such as Reynolds credibility in anything having to do with tech.
  • Re:Good example (Score:5, Informative)

    by skintigh2 ( 456496 ) on Friday March 30, 2007 @06:14PM (#18550107)
    I have a Canon Rebel, which is a film SLR, but it has the interface you just described.

    My parent's 1970's Canon is soooooooo much easier to use, it has knobs for the settings, it has a field-of-view diagram on the lens (I have to guess with mine), a split for perfecting focus on what you want in focus (I have to trust the autofocus or just eyeball it) and I know it's been dropped onto rocks in a flowing stream at least once and survived (I have not tested that with mine).

    My camera's interface is a tiny LCD and microscopic buttons. You can see the settings more clearly when you look through the viewfinder, but then you can't see the tiny buttons you need to press. And the worst part: if stop pressing buttons long enough to arrange your shot (10 or so seconds) the camera times out and deletes all the settings you spent the last 5 minutes perfecting.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 30, 2007 @06:18PM (#18550145)
    Well, you have pretty much shown you are the hate monger. Ironically, he's a libertarian, and not one of those evil "convervatives" you couldn't wait to take a shot at based on your programmed "liberalism". I am not a libertarian, but I have seen plenty of that sentiment on Slashdot, so I suspect he might be more read by Slashot readers than you think. They could do far worse in blog reading than www.instapundit.com
  • by Rodness ( 168429 ) on Friday March 30, 2007 @07:13PM (#18550773)
    It sucks.

    I have to disagree with you. I have iDrive on my 2007 BMW 3 series, and I love it. Granted, it took a bit of getting used to because it's not the most intuitive thing I've ever used (it's not an ipod), but after a week or two I could navigate the menus quickly and without fuss, and while mostly keeping my eyes on the road. I've only had the car for a month, but haven't had any problems using iDrive beyond the first couple of days. These people should drive the car and use the system for a month before reviewing it, the negative reviews by people who use it for a few minutes and then criticize it are worthless and should be dismissed.

    Why?

    Firstly, the knob is tactile. It gives little vibrating pulses when you turn it, one pulse per selection that it scrolls past, and it will stop scrolling and apply tactile resistance when it reaches the top or bottom of a field. So you can let it scroll through options in a long list while you keep your eyes on the road and know by feel when you should glance at it.

    Secondly, I don't have to use the knob that much. I can give the car voice commands, and only have to use the knob once I've reached a point in the menu where voice commands no longer apply. (E.g. when I get into a location search, it doesn't have voice recognition for all of the various addresses and businesses.)

    Thirdly, about the criticisms that it's unsafe to use while driving? No shit sherlock. Neither is your cell phone. Or putting on makeup. Or shaving. Or eating lunch. But people do those without blaming the manufacturers or restaurants or stores that sell the necessary equipment. And when some dumbass kills another dumbass by ramming him at 90mph, we don't fault the manufacturer for building a car that can do 90. We should require some personal accountability from drivers before we lampoon BMW for providing a navigation system that (horror) might require a little driver interaction. It isn't the fault of BMW if the driver isn't responsible enough to interact with the system only when the car isn't in motion. Every time you power the car on, the first thing iDrive does is display a warning (for 10-15 seconds) that it's the driver's responsibility to operate the system only when safe to do so.

    Overwhelmingly, my experience with the 2007 iDrive has been EXTREMELY positive, and I don't know how I lived without it.

    -r

  • by ozbird ( 127571 ) on Friday March 30, 2007 @07:31PM (#18550937)
    Only if your voice is within the expected parameters.

    I recently got a Motorola phone, which has a voice control facility (e.g. via the SoundPilot Bluetooth gadget they bundled with it.) It lets you train your voice for numbers, which I did. However, to actually dial using numbers, you need to go into the voice control system and give the command "digit dial". When several attempts and yarmouthing fails, you just press the friggin' buttons like nature intended.

    Note to UI devices: Just because you can do something, doesn't mean that you should; K.I.S.S.

    <flame>That said the iDrive is probably perfect for BMWs: "Bad Motorist, Wanker". Pissing about for 15 minutes in the carpark playing with their iKnob to select the ride comfort, air freshener scent or whatever to impress the "Blonde, Moronic Woman" in the passenger seat would be right up their alley. (Ob. Top Gear [topgear.com].)
  • Alarm clocks (Score:2, Informative)

    by Tablizer ( 95088 ) on Friday March 30, 2007 @09:42PM (#18552079) Journal
    I prefered analog electric alarm clocks because it was quick and easy to set the alarm time, such as adjusting for Mondays or Fridays which have a lighter commute. Most digital clocks require lots and lots of clicking and waiting to change the time, especially to move it back. I could change the alarm in about 2 seconds with electric analog, but it takes me an average of one minute with digital buttons. But I cannot find analog electric alarm clocks in stores anymore.
  • by przemekklosowski ( 448666 ) on Friday March 30, 2007 @09:51PM (#18552125)
    There are practical ideas for haptic feedback for touchscreens---for instance, it turns out that live-feedback vibration can fool your sense of touch enough so that it feels like a real button. http://www.time4.com/time4/microsites/popsci/howit works/cellphone_motor.html [time4.com] This has been apparently already implemented in Samsung SCH-W559 cellphone.
  • Re:Voice recognition (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 31, 2007 @12:04AM (#18552909)

    guages on planes are designed so that All at 12 O'clock is good

    Not really. Look at the six-pack:

    • Altimeter - points anywhere. Both hands up is 0 MSL.
    • Vertical speed indicator - straight left is normal. Better not point straight up.
    • Airspeed indicator - straight up is 0 KTS. That's bad.
    • Attitude indicator - no needle, really. Some have a pointer, in that case up is good.
    • Directional gyro - points anywhere.
    • Turn and bank indicator - no needle, but you want the little plane to be level, usually.
  • by battery111 ( 620778 ) * <battery111 @ g mail.com> on Saturday March 31, 2007 @01:05AM (#18553205)
    While I love touchscreens and whatnot, I think everything has it's place. For example, I MUCH prefer a car (or home for that matter) stereo with an actual volume knob, even if it just spins perpetually and get's translated by the system into a digital signal. It's the analog interface that's important. Beyond that, who cares what the underlying system does with the input, as long as the result is the desired effect. Rather than push a button repeatedly, it's so much easier to just give the knob a quick spin when you want to crank up (or down) the volume of a song. The iPOD's click-wheel interface is one of the few touch technologies that are acceptable replacements to an analog volume control. I am simply using the volume control as an example, as that is what came to my mind when I read the article, I am sure there are many more examples I could think of, were I so inclined.

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