What Can You Do to Stop Junk Faxes? 156
olddoc asks: "I am having a growing problem with junk faxes. Unlike email, it costs me money when I get a fax so junk faxes really tick me off. A while ago, I gave my number to a removal number and now I am getting more junk faxes than ever."
What options are there for dealing with this? If you've also had this problem, what did you do and how effective was it in stopping unwanted faxes?
PC FAX for receiving. (Score:5, Informative)
If in the UK... (Score:4, Informative)
Not a lot of help if you're in the rest of the world, but still - this could be useful to somebody!
Re:Removal doesn't help (Score:5, Informative)
SPAM becomes CAPTCHA (Score:2, Informative)
Re:How Much do you need faxes? (Score:4, Informative)
As much as I'd like to agree with you (because I think there are many better solutions), I can't. I work for a company that processes insurance claims and many of our claims are submitted via fax. Until about 6 months ago, they had 8 or 9 fax machines receiving the faxes, but they could barely keep up. Then, I replaced them with a couple of servers - 16 lines each - running Hylafax. On average, we're receiving 800 to 900 faxes a day, but during January and February, we were averaging around 1400.
Re:Get with the times (Score:2, Informative)
We use that where I work and it's quite nice. It e-mails you when you recieve a fax and there is an application that you use to send them...you can send word documents, PDFs, or it interfaces directly with a scanner.
Unfortunately I don't know how much the service costs, it was in place before I begain working there.
We do persuade our customers and vendors to use e-mail as much as possible (sheet-feed scanners are not very expensive)...we used to have 20 numbers through eFax and have managed to remove five of them in a few months. If we had to, we could probably axe 5 more of them.
A couple comments (Score:3, Informative)
Here's a wikipedia page with information about what can be done legally against junk fax senders in the US, if it's bad enough that you want to take the time to go after them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junk_fax [wikipedia.org]
The solution, although not so much a solution as a better system, is to use fax server software or an online fax service. I run a local fax server here. Faxes come in and are routed via email to the secretary who was at one time responsible for pulling paper faxes off the old fax machine. This person then routes the fax to the appropriate person, and acts as a junk fax filter
I do sympathize with you. Especially if you're working with a lot of international companies (assuming you're in the US, if not sorry), sometimes you simply have to be able to accept faxed documents to keep customers happy. You might encourage them to start using email, perhaps by pointing out the financial benefits. Also, a lot of people might not know about simple tools like pdfcreator with which they can print and send a purchase order via email right from their existing accounting software.
I do object to your comment implying that junk email doesn't cost anything. Perhaps if you're working for a small outfit with hosted email it doesn't appear to cost anything. My mail server here processes a hundred thousand spam messages per month, and we're a pretty small outfit. This definitely costs real money in terms of hardware and software support, and most importantly employee time (I guarantee that people spend more time going through their junk email or flagging email as junk than they do looking at junk faxes).
Can't Get Rid of it. (Score:5, Informative)
Anyone who has to send a signed or legal documents quickly - a fax is the only option unless you send it via courier.
TCPA (Score:5, Informative)
email now legal for some things in UK (Score:3, Informative)
Which means that there are circumstances in which you are wrong.
Indeed certain places like UKIPO request email in preference for eg post-grant amendments.
FWIW.
Here are some good places to start... (Score:3, Informative)
Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991 (Score:3, Informative)
Legality..how did this get modded a 5? (Score:1, Informative)
You can't make a blanket statement like that about the law. In the U.S. alone, we have a minimum of 51 separate jurisdictions applying 51 different laws. If one is outside the U.S. then the jurisdiction again make a difference.
So far as I know, in Ohio and in the 6th Federal Circuit, faxes are no better or worse than any other copy of a document, including an email attachment of it. If one is filing a document, then it can only be done electronically in the Federal Disctrict Courts in this Circuit. They will not accept faxes.
You can sue them. (Score:3, Informative)
It's very simple.
Unless they have prior express permission (or, thanks to a new enabling law, an "established business relationship" with many additional qualifiers), unsolicited faxes are categorically prohibited in the US. Penalty? $500, per advertisement, statutory damages, plus possible penalties.
So sue.
Call them up, find out who it is and what they're selling. Tape the call if that's legal in your area. Then sue.
My share, after attorney's fees and costs (including copying, etc.), of my junk fax litigation has been about $38,000 over the last few years. Mostly mortgage brokers, many of whom are predatory lenders as well. Do not waste your time trying to identify "Mortgage Services" -- just get them to hand you to a local mortgage company, and sue the mortgage company. Generally, in my experience, a given 800 number is affiliated with a single customer, so you call the number, and then sue for all the faxes you've gotten with that number on them.
I write about this stuff some in my blog. Largest total settlement was with Allied Telesyn, who paid $250 per ad to all the people who filled out claim forms, $5k to me, and probably more like $300k to some lawyers. Largest settlements for me personally have been on the order of $10k, but my friendly neighborhood lawyer gets about 35%, and there's filing fees and such.
Just a few things to know:
1. Junk faxers are dishonest. They will lie. They will tell you they didn't know it was illegal, they will lie to you about the law, they will say they didn't send the faxes, and so on. We see this all the time.
2. If you are not comfortable representing yourself pro se, get a lawyer.
3. Don't go to small claims unless you are absolutely SURE that your state won't let you do district court. Small claims judges are often unfamiliar with statutory damage laws.
There are no damages to prove; the law sets the damages at $500, per advertisement.
If you want to call remove numbers, go ahead, and write down which ones you called and when, but don't expect it to have any effect.
Disconnect Tone (Score:3, Informative)
Get a telezapper or similar product. http://www.telezapper.com/ [telezapper.com]
It sends a "This number is disconnected" tone. Humans ignore it. Automated fax and telemarketer systems note it and remove your number from their database. Why call something which is known to be gone?
It's cheap, and it works fairly well.
Less mess in your local alley, too, though I'd still prefer the stronger solution.