Anti-Keylogging Recommendations? 179
BeeazleBub writes "A friend asked me about the best programs to detect and remove spyware/logging/monitoring software that might have been placed on her computer by a spouse. Since there are a plethora of good and bad programs out there, I thought I would ask the slashdot crew for their recommendations. What is simple, reliable and most effective? I'm sure some of you have had the same question or circumstance. (No, booting from a Linux CD is not an option for this user)."
Most Worthless Ask Slashdot Ever. (Score:5, Insightful)
It's a domestic dispute that no one wants to get into. The obvious solution, to own your computer with free software, is not an option. All that's left is to delve into the cesspool of Winblows "solutions" and other inappropriate technical answers to an environment of broken trust.
I'll bet there's a good back story (Score:5, Insightful)
Here's the answer. She's trying to solve a human problem with a technical solution. It won't work. If she has to use a suspect windows computer, there's no software that will guarantee it's clean. It can't be done.
And if you can't trust the person you're married to, your main problems in life aren't computer problems.
There is only one true way to avoid keyloggers. (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Most Worthless Ask Slashdot Ever. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I'll bet there's a good back story (Score:5, Insightful)
I agree. My first thought was "don't get involved."
Even if you think the husband is a spouse-abusing homicidal maniac, don't do this. If there is evidence, turn him into the police. Otherwise stay out.
She can google it. She can take it somewhere (like Best Buy, Circuit City, etc). I know their terrible, but hey. If they work things out, you are the guy who tried to help her get out of the marriage. That won't ender you to him. If things go farther, how do you think you'll be treated if there was a key-logger and your solution didn't work? If there is no key-logger and she is just reaching and scared and overwhelmed, then playing into that could make things worse (in the harder for them to get together and fix their marriage if possible sense).
She can use another computer, reinstall Windows, whatever. Don't get in the middle of someone else's fight (unless it is to save their life or some such, in which case, again, call the police). I seriously doubt doing this will make your life easier in any way.
Tell her to go to a private eye. Talk to a (better) divorce attorney. But tell her you don't want to get involved in this.
Divorce. (Score:5, Insightful)
Divorce (Score:3, Insightful)
No luck (Score:3, Insightful)
A small Asus EEE PC with a encrypted SSD, grub/bios password and hidden away may allow the person to communicate in secret with some measurement of security against non-technical opponents with limited resources, if the person is able to use some kind of SSL proxy so that the data can't be sniffed easily. Tempest attacks or even simple hidden cameras may spoil even that.
So, get a divorce instead.
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Regards
Re:I'll bet there's a good back story (Score:3, Insightful)
You are absolutely right, which pretty much ends this discussion right there.
Normally I'd suggest to do a complete Windows reinstall (assuming you have to run Windows), or install Linux, but you can't trust a Linux machine either, if others have physical access to them (and they know what they're doing).
In any case this is a completely moot point for the exact reasons you mentioned.
Assuming the real (non-tech) problem at hand here cannot easily be addressed, I'd suggest maybe buying an Asus EEE PC (since they're not too expensive and relatively easy to carry with you all the time). In addition, buy an USB stick or SD-card, and only store your data on those. They will easily fit in your wallet. But yeah, buying new hardware to work around this problem does not sound like a real solution, to be frank.
Impossible (Score:3, Insightful)
There's no way to be 100% certain that nothing's being logged. Possible data gathering points:
No, there is no software you can run that will tell you if you're being monitored, by virtue of the fact that such software is impossible.
Have her get a cheap laptop - maybe an Eee PC - and configure OpenVPN to a friendly router. You're a geek, right? If you're serious about her privacy, make it happen.
Ugh, didn't anyone read Cryptonomicon? (Score:3, Insightful)
Obviously you just modify your space bar and numlock LED drivers to perform all I/O in morse code.
Then you type in and display bunch of misleading information to entrap the eavesdropper into doing something silly / stupid / illegal and nab 'em on it.
As far as still being able to check your email and bank accounts and stuff without compromising your passwords, just set up some kind of password vault that uses biometric authentication or something so you never have to type in your actual login / password on the untrusted machine. You'd have to do the setup for the private key and all on a trusted system of course.
A friend.... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:that's the least of her problems (Score:4, Insightful)
So Let's Summarize... (Score:3, Insightful)
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Re:Most Worthless Ask Slashdot Ever. (Score:5, Insightful)
Honestly, if you're at the point in a relationship where you're spying on each other, it's time to just throw in the towel and find a partner you can trust.
Re:Divorce (Score:3, Insightful)
"Trust" means "I trust that I know my partner, and know what they are capable of and what they can be relied upon."
It does NOT mean "I trust my partner to do X."
For example, my wife can't trust me to take out the trash, and I can't trust her to change the oil in our car. Does that mean we should get a divorce?
use a computer outside the home (Score:3, Insightful)
I did a website for a women's aid group ("WA"), they wanted information about how to keep it hidden from an abusive partner that the women were in touch with WA. I did a review of what the national centers gave as advice, including details of removing history files and such. In the end I settled for the only method being to use a public computer (eg at a library).
Someone else can spy on you for sure, but unless your partner works at the City IT center or for the library (or wherever) then it's not going to be your partner spying on you.
If you _need_ to get out the house and contact someone and your being abused and can't - please call directory enquiries and contact your local Womens' Aid organisation. They can advise you, give you temporary accommodation in a safehouse, help you talk to the police, help you seek mediation; basically empower you to take back control of your situation.
Re:I'll bet there's a good back story (Score:1, Insightful)
Yeah, I think you're just being a dick, and on a weak basis, at that.
Re:Most Worthless Ask Slashdot Ever. (Score:5, Insightful)
Sorry, gotta call utter bullshit on this one.
Seriously, if you are in an abusive relationship, LEAVE. Leave before it gets worse, leave before it injures or kills you.
A psychologically abusive relationship is just as bad as a physically abusive one -- perhaps worse, because the victim is led to believe a pack of lies that keeps them from leaving.
There is no reason to stay married in this situation. If you're worried about the whole "till death do us part" thing, consider that the abuser broke the vows first by failing to love and honor.
Re:Divorce (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Divorce (Score:3, Insightful)
If you need to monitor everything someone does then you don't trust them.
Re:Most Worthless Ask Slashdot Ever. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Most Worthless Ask Slashdot Ever. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Forget that... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:I'll bet there's a good back story (Score:1, Insightful)
Who can afford [or has the time, if employed] to talk to a divorce attorney, let alone a "better" one? Why would you even trust an attorney with computer or privacy questions??
The only general reason to not get involved is if involvement means participating in something illegal. Teaching someone how to check for spyware is nowhere near illegal.
Fact is, way too many people in society are infected with pathological misconceptions about what relationships should be. We all need help avoiding and escaping situations in which those people react destructively.
Re:Cant use a liveCD? (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Anti-Keylogger Home Trial (Score:3, Insightful)
Might be a way to defeat keylogging if it was implemented in hardware, but in software, I'm dubious.