Anti-Technology Technologies? 146
shanen writes "A story from the NYTimes about metering internet traffic caught my eye. I thought the exchange of information over the Internet was supposed to be a good thing? Couldn't we use technology more constructively? For example, if there is too much network traffic for video and radio channels, why don't we offset with the increased use of P2P technologies like BitTorrent? Why don't we use wireless networks to reduce the traffic on the wired infrastructure? Such technologies often have highly desirable properties. For example, BitTorrent is excellent for rapidly increasing the availability of popular files while automatically balancing the network traffic, since the faster and closer connections will automatically wind up being favored. Instead, we have an increasing trend for anti-technology technologies and twisted narrow economic solutions such as those discussed in the NYTimes article, and attempts to restrict the disruptive communications technologies. You may remember how FM radio was delayed for years; part of the security requirements of a major company includes anti-P2P software, as well as locking down the wireless communications extremely tightly — but there are still gaps for the bad guys, while the main victims are the legitimate users of these technologies. Can you think of other examples? Do you have constructive solutions?"
Control (Score:5, Informative)
Understanding the workings of an entire swarm is is not easy.
With a swarm it is harder to differentiate for "elite" customers who pay to get that extra bandwidth.
Where you are in the swarm will matter just as much as which connection you're paying for.
Re:The oldest solution... (Score:3, Informative)
I take it you're new to the internet. USENET is still a point-to-point protocol from A to B, and this is where the problem comes in. You have a significant amount of traffic going over that single point.
With torrent and peer-to-peer distribution, you have smaller amounts of traffic coming from many different points.
Load Balancing, Clustering, P2P--are all technologies favored by the IT industry. If your distribution node goes down, nobody cares because you have others. There's no single point of failure in a peer-to-peer distribution system.
P2P should be used in pretty much every scenario requiring high bandwidth of highly popular media. (Which is actually fairly common on the internet). This drastically will reduce bandwidth costs for the people paying and improve end-user experience.
If we had Torrent before FilePlanet went pay, they probably would have never gone in that direction.
Re:The oldest solution... (Score:5, Informative)
BT is a major problem the ISPs need to deal with - if you download something over usenet or FTP once it's done it's done. On BT unless you actively kill the connection it'll continue sucking bandwidth... that contributes to something like 60% of average ISP traffic being P2P, and why it's increasingly being blocked.
bullshit (Score:2, Informative)
It is. And that's why it's a good thing if my neighbor is discouraged from eating up 99% of the bandwidth with hundreds of simultaneous connections while I'm trying to work over ssh, or if he is at least made to pay for the necessary upgrades to our shared wire.
Why don't we use wireless networks to reduce the traffic on the wired infrastructure?
Let us know if you come up with something that works. Having suffered through WiFi-based home Internet access for a few months, I certainly don't want to go back. Of course, it kind of caps your bandwidth implicitly.
For example, BitTorrent is excellent for rapidly increasing the availability of popular files while automatically balancing the network traffic, since the faster and closer connections will automatically wind up being favored.
P2P and BitTorrent are horrifically wasteful because the same packets keep traversing the same wires. And they seem fast to you for file distribution because they make many connections and grab an unfair share of available bandwidth.
Instead, we have an increasing trend for anti-technology technologies and twisted narrow economic solutions such as those discussed in the NYTimes article
First, perhaps you could show us some evidence that there is an "increasing trend".
Then you might discuss how today compares to, oh, 20 years ago and 10 years ago in terms of maximum throughput, latency, and cost per megabyte.
As for P2P, combined with standard Internet protocols, it really is a technological disaster, even if it is a social success.
Re: Japanese Proverb (Score:4, Informative)
"The interview mentioned a Japanese business term that has no translation in English; I forget the word, but it meant something like "the faith that building products that people need and selling them for a fair price, long-term, will be profitable, long-term."
The translation is "Fast Bucks vs. Slow Dimes". America likes This Quarter's Sales. Japan does likes Next Decade's sales.
Re:upsetting the apple card (Score:3, Informative)
UTOPIA (utopianet.org) is an attempt to do exactly that - and you wouldn't believe the dirty tactics Comcast and Qwest have been using to fight it (ok, so you probably WOULD believe the tactics they've been using, but still...)