Recourse For Poor Customer Service? 593
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from the in-harm's-way-a-long-way-from-home dept.
from the in-harm's-way-a-long-way-from-home dept.
eleventypie writes "I am in the Army and currently stationed in Afghanistan. Recently I found myself without a laptop so I decided to build a studio 17 from Dell. I designed/customized my laptop on 2008-09-17 and placed my order, which totaled approximately $1,700. The laptop was built and apparently shipped on 2008-09-28. Given my APO address, I know mail can sometimes take a little while to get here, though 7-10 days is normal. Dell said to give my laptop 6-8 business days and occasionally, it might take as much as 4-6 weeks. So on 2008-11-12 I sent another email to Dell informing them I still had not received my laptop. One person said to give it more time, while another person responded to my message telling me to send my address again and they would send me a replacement. So I sent my address immediately and never got a response. It is now the 30th of November and I still have no laptop and Dell seems to have quit responding to my emails. This is very frustrating being out $1,700 and not having a laptop to talk to my friends and family and do school work. Phone calls aren't easy so calling them is pretty much out of the question. Any advice on what I can or should do at this point to get the computer I ordered or get my money back?"
Blame the APO (Score:5, Insightful)
Worth a try.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Honestly e-mail CNN with a story about how hard it is to deal with issues like this when you are out of country in the service. You can even file an iReport. If they run with the story I think you'll find your laptop showing up in record time with a heartfelt apology from Dell.
Re:See your local JAG attorney (Score:2, Insightful)
Might I suggest you try to call them? (Score:2, Insightful)
I'd suggest you first pick up a telephone and have a real-time conversation with somebody.
Thank you for your service.. and sorry. (Score:5, Insightful)
Excuse me. No. We respect your service, and he has every right to ask for help from people he trusts. That apparently is us. They said they'd send a replacement.. but didn't. So now we are discussing resolutions. You had no right to make those assumptions.
Re:How about a little less /. asshole behavior (Score:4, Insightful)
And, given that he is risking his life in Afghanistan, why the hell shouldn't he get preferential treatment?
Because, as a non-american, I don't support the war, and i don't support his actions.
Why should he get preferential treatmetn for living in a country that sends him to war for no reason? Why should he get preferential treatment because he was idiotic enough to sign up for the military in the USA?
Find out about the shipping status. (Score:3, Insightful)
Another thing to ask is if they ever shipped it and if they did what the tracking number is. At least this way you can try to work out whether the blame is with Dell or the internal courier service used by the military to get it there (I imagine this how it works). Once you can work out where the computer should be you will know who you be dealing with.
It was intercepted by a warlord (Score:2, Insightful)
and Bin Laden's typing his myspace profile on it right now. Go get him!
Seriously though, what are we supposed to tell you? Contact somebody higher up the chain, preferably by phone. Yeah it may be hard, but so is delivering a $2k package to a 3rd world shithole.
Re:How about a little less /. asshole behavior (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Call your credit card company.... (Score:4, Insightful)
There might be some stupid and/or lazy staff, but the fundamental problem is at the top.
The fundamental problem is with people accepting poor customer service. If the average customer will accept the cheapest customer service, it generally works out in the business' favor to go with that lowest-rung option.
You can't blame a businessman for running the most profitable business he can.
Re:Call your credit card company.... (Score:3, Insightful)
If the supervisor thought I was wrong in requesting that somebody who asked me for my operating system version four times in a row when replying to an e-mail in which I explicitly stated my operating system version, then he should be fired too.
Once is chance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action. If this guy can't figure out that I am telling him my operating system version four times in a row, then he needs to find a new line of work. If there are somehow procedures which require him to ignore my answer and ask me the same question every time I reply, which I highly doubt, then whoever created that procedure needs to be fired too.
But let's be honest, there is no such procedure. Don't defend this idiot. There was nothing which required him to ask me the exact same question repeatedly after I gave him the answer to it repeatedly.
Re:how times have changed (Score:5, Insightful)
You're a special kind of asshole, you know that?
Re:how times have changed (Score:5, Insightful)
He needs a laptop so he can stay in contact with loved ones and to be able to STUDY, you know, better himself as a human being while doing this horrible thing that the rest of us don't want to do.
Re:Blame the APO (Score:3, Insightful)
Trust me VISA will not be eating it. The ability to reach in and take it from Dell is 100%.
Visa is never actually even a party to the transaction, they're the only winner in the case of a chargeback.
Every Visa card is issued by a bank.
Every merchant that can accept Visa cards has a merchant account with another bank.
When you pay for a purchase with a CC, the transaction is processed by the retailer's merchant account.
The merchant's bank uses Visa's network to record the transaction.
The amount is charged to the buyer's bank, and a commission paid to Visa is deducted from the proceeds, before being deposited to the retailer's account.
The commission is a percentage plus a base ammount, and it is not refundable in any case.
Re:Call your credit card company.... (Score:2, Insightful)
No, but sophisticated support is expensive. For the most part, they can retain loyalty by simply providing a good show, even if the resolution process is long and more riciulously painful than it should be.
People who can read a flowchart and talk the customer through pre-ordained troubleshooting steps can be paid in small piles of pennies, whereas qualified support engineers would demand heaps of gold.
Most consumer buyers of computer products don't have good hardware knowledge, let-alone the ability to execute even remotely complex troubleshooting directions correctly.
It's called, either fix the common error, with one of the top-10 canned techniques (like reset to factory defaults, reboot it, etc), or replace the product with one that isn't broken.
The actual hardware is cheaper than paying hordes of skilled hardware professionals who can listen and tell the consumer precisely what complex tasks to take that can pinpoint the problem and get everything perfect.
It sucks, and doesn't make Dell look very good to some consumers, but i'm sure they've justified to themselves the path they take.
(The easiest way: lots of other big corporations are doing it with their product support)
Tier I Technicians (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Dissapointed with Dell (Score:5, Insightful)
I wouldn't. Insurance by the postal service is worth almost as much as no insurance at all. It takes literally years of fighting past insane bureaucracy to get reimbursed, and even then they will try to weasel out of every single penny they can.
Dell would probably treat you better than the USPS.
Re:Call your credit card company.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Don't blame them... yet (Score:3, Insightful)
I had an APO address for three years at Ramstein AB (ie, the place that *all* APO mail headed to Europe and SWA goes first). The OP's representation of the amount of time it takes to receive mail from the US is misleading at best. It takes 7-10 days to receive letters from the US. I have received packages in that little time, but the average was perhaps 4 weeks, and 8 weeks was not unusual. A few times it took up to 10 weeks. The package is being sent to a *war zone*, have a little patience.
Re:Contact your credit card company (Score:2, Insightful)
My brother was stationed in Iraq for a very long time. He probably got a $1700 laptop cause he wanted a gaming laptop. When you are going to be stationed overseas it is a pretty good idea to get a nice laptop considering that's your sole form of entertainment and one of the only real luxuries a soldier can have.
When my brother was stationed in Iraq we gave him a nice laptop and an Ipod and trust me he appreciated it.
It disgusts me that a huge company like dell would do this to a soldier. This is pretty much PR suicide. It's extremely weird that the didn't even give him a military discount. Now in' days EVERYONE gives some sort of military discount. Airlines, Movie Theaters, etc.
Shame on you dell. You should be honored to provide a service to our men overseas and instead of making it hard you should be doing your best to make it easier and to try not to tarnish your reputation by pulling this.
Re:Can't use a regular phone? (Score:3, Insightful)
Mod parent up Informative please. Simple common sense solution to lack of being able to call directly.
No, mod parent "never had to get internet connectivity from the Army". It may be better now, but when I was there email was about all you could manage through that high latency, low bandwidth, "here now for 1 minute but then gone for 10 minutes" connection.
Re:Call your credit card company.... (Score:4, Insightful)
Please, I've already given this information previously. I am using Mac OS (Mac is not an acronym, by the way) 10.4.8, and I am not using [software].
You still sound like an pompous ass.
Re:how times have changed (Score:3, Insightful)
Unless of course, you're a REM who's several hundred clicks from any forward operating post, and have ready access to 24x7 electricity with no spikes, aircon and constant net access. Apologies if I've called that one wrong, but you're not exactly giving the impression of being at the sharp end of business out there.
You start by outlining what soldiers on the front lines have done in past wars, then chastise him for not acting like a front line soldier when he's obviously not? Do you think guys processing paperwork in the finance office in London or Saigon were writing home about the horrors of war?
And it's "REMF", not "REM".
i'd suggest Steve Coll's "Ghost Wars: The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan and Bin Laden"... and... "Afghanistan: A Military History From Alexander The Great To The Fall Of The Taliban" by Stephen Tanner.
Pffff. Maybe if you want to read hundreds of boring pages about the Washington bureaucracy and the ineptitude of the CIA and the State Department, and then a copy-paste of 20 other history books with a hysterical screed against Bush at the end.
So really, I'm not sure what it is you think he needs to be educated about. You start with the observation that he's not as concerned with the "awful conditions" at the front as you think he ought to be, and then suggest he read a bunch of political nonsense by a Washington Post inside-the-beltway gasbag?
At any rate, chastising him for pursuing an education instead of learning to hate Chimpy BusHitler or whatever is pretty lame.
Re:Can't use a regular phone? (Score:3, Insightful)
Not to mention the difficulty of scheduling a possibly several hour phone conversation during business hours PST when you're in Iraq.
One of the companies we work with is in Israel, and getting tech support through anything but email is a real pain. Business hours in Israel are 1 am to 9 am our time...
Re:Call your credit card company.... (Score:2, Insightful)
No.
I've always been of the opinion that if you're a jerk to me, I don't need to out of my way for you.
Re:Cost of customer service is business damage (Score:4, Insightful)
That is the Walmart Effect in a nutshell. That store only delivers what its customers want. They want low low prices, and easy returns. The products don't have to be high quality or made in the USA. The cashiers don't have to be too friendly, or even too quick, just quick enough. The stores don't have to be too clean, just not disgustingly dirty. If the average consumer wanted to spend a little more for service, maybe we'd actually get it
Re:Call your credit card company.... (Score:3, Insightful)
Mumbai recently had the attacks. He ordered his computer in September. Blaming the attacks for this makes no sense.
Re:how times have changed (Score:1, Insightful)
"Unless of course, you're a REM who's several hundred clicks from any forward operating post, and have ready access to 24x7 electricity with no spikes, aircon and constant net access. Apologies if I've called that one wrong, but you're not exactly giving the impression of being at the sharp end of business out there."
If you knew anything about this war, other than what you have read in books, you would know that there is no such thing as a front line in OEF or OIF. Your arrogant statement exposes your ignorance. This Soldier just wants a product he has paid for. Why does it bother you that he is trying to obtain what he has already bought?
I was in a tiny FOB in the middle of the Triangle of Death. I've been blown up and shot at. That still didn't preclude me from buying and receiving an Alienware laptop while I was in Iraq, and yes, it worked perfectly despite all of the "bumps" and "dust."