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What OS and Software For a Mobile Documentary Crew? 229

jag7720 writes "I am part of a new project that will be filming a documentary. The project HQ will be in the US but it will take us around the world and will last approx 18 months. I am the IT guy and will be responsible for most if not all aspects of hardware and software (not to include editing). We are probably going to use Google mail/calendar/docs and unlocked BlackBerrys for communications. Computers use will mainly be for communications and writing. I am a huge advocate of Linux and Open Source and I want to use it if possible. What would you recommend for an OS platform for a project like this and why? Linux? Mac? Win?"
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What OS and Software For a Mobile Documentary Crew?

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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Tuesday May 19, 2009 @11:04AM (#28012003)
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  • by geminidomino ( 614729 ) * on Tuesday May 19, 2009 @11:05AM (#28012017) Journal

    If it's just communications (read: email and maybe IM) and writing, then who cares? Honestly. You can buy portable toys that do those two things for $30 in Toys-R-Us these days.

    If you're the IT guy, go with what you're comfortable with. You're the one who's going to have to make it work whenever anything goes wrong.

  • What? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 19, 2009 @11:06AM (#28012053)

    If you are the IT guy, you get whatever machines and software the team say they need and have experience on to complete the project.

  • by Archangel Michael ( 180766 ) on Tuesday May 19, 2009 @11:11AM (#28012107) Journal

    Wrong.

    All three platforms have problems with legacy peripherals, however, Linux has better support for many things.

    And with Win 7 coming out, I'm sure the "older hardware not being supported" is going to grow again.

    Of course, if you're buying all new hardware, then yeah, you're probably right.

  • Re:What? (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Gutboy ( 587531 ) on Tuesday May 19, 2009 @11:11AM (#28012109)
    Mod this up. Ask the crew what software they want to use for editing, and get whatever supports that.
  • Re:Final Cut Pro (Score:5, Insightful)

    by schon ( 31600 ) on Tuesday May 19, 2009 @11:13AM (#28012139)

    You'll want Final Cut Pro, running on OS X. I love Linux too (typing this in iceweasel, running Debian on my Mac), but OS X is the only OS that really works well for pro multimedia. It's the only reason I dual boot anymore.

    Considering he said " not to include editing", are you suggesting that they'll need Final Cut Pro on OSX in order to send email and communicate with each other?

  • Not FOSS for Film! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by TheWanderingHermit ( 513872 ) on Tuesday May 19, 2009 @11:18AM (#28012205)

    I used to work as a videographer, then left and started an IT business based entirely on FOSS and my own work. The entire purpose of this business was to create a revenue stream so I could start a film business. In other words, I know FOSS well, used Linux almost exclusively on my servers and desktop for years, and know film and video well.

    If you want to do ANYTHING with film or video editing, do NOT use Linux. While there are a number of great programs for editing audio on Linux and in the FOSS world, the video programs still lag behind. Many times there are issues with importing the video. (Trying to get video from my HD camcorder into any usable format on Ubuntu Intrepid was a nightmare!) There are some programs that show promise for video editing and DVD authoring, but even as late as Intrepid, many still had issues, wouldn't always burn to different DVD drives, had trouble importing more than one or two formats, or provided only a limited subset of editing abilities.

    I started looking at Linux for AV work around 2001 or so and was disappointed by what was available. As time went on and I was doing my IT work for my business, I figured that by the time I was ready to do film work, FOSS programs would be as well. Sadly, 8 or 9 years later, they simply are not. Some people will say, "But xxxxx does a great job!" Yeah, it does -- if you don't need professional editing capabilities. As of now I haven't seen a FOSS video editing program that can even do what Adobe's Premiere did in 2000 for $600.

    So a few months ago I bought an iMac and paid $250 for Final Cut Express. I'm stunned -- it's like I'm actually back in the world of film and video and have a program designed by film editors, not by programmers who want to tell film editors what they should need.

    I love FOSS. I love it enough to say, "There are some serious problems in the FOSS world," instead of pretending everything is the best it could be. My experience is that in the Windows world the driving force behind new software is a company that wants to make something people can use so they make a profit. In the Linux/FOSS world the driving force behind new software is developers that love what they do but often are touchy when receiving criticism of their "baby" and are used to the console and do not focus heavily on the GUI design, expecting people to learn what they already know to use their programs. I'm not a fanboy, but in 2-3 months on an iMac, my experience is that the driving force of app development on Apple is users or companies that want to give the users the tools they need to do a job.

    If you want to provide your people with tools that you, as a techie and Linuxer, like for philosophical reasons, go Linux -- but be aware that your creative people will spend more time adjusting and setting up and modifying their tools than they will doing their jobs. If you want to provide them with software that lets them do their jobs, instead of having to deal with settings and tech stuff, go with Mac.

  • by TheWanderingHermit ( 513872 ) on Tuesday May 19, 2009 @11:21AM (#28012245)

    If you're dealing with video equipment, Linux support is often poor.

  • by alen ( 225700 ) on Tuesday May 19, 2009 @11:22AM (#28012271)

    ask the people what apps they plan on using, and build everything around there.

    these people are media people, they don't want to remember cryptic commands to do the simplest things

  • by LodCrappo ( 705968 ) on Tuesday May 19, 2009 @11:30AM (#28012399)

    They'll be traveling, working hard, dealing with all the crazy problems that come up in a project like this. They don't need the extra hassle of dealing with unfamiliar software just because you think it's neat. Find out what they use now, and make sure they can continue to use it as needed throughout this project.

  • by ickleberry ( 864871 ) <web@pineapple.vg> on Tuesday May 19, 2009 @11:31AM (#28012421) Homepage
    Are these guys stone mad? I'd hate to be at the mercy of the dreaded NO CARRIER message while writing some stuff. I totally don't get this obsession with doing everything through a browser when locally run stuff is much faster, more reliable and you don't need to block the ads.

    But if you're trying to appeal to the hip metrosexual expensive coffee drinking iPhone using crowd then by all means use web apps exclusively, preferably from a Mac
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 19, 2009 @11:32AM (#28012433)

    all aspects of hardware and software (not to include editing)

    This machine, you should use for editing and processing your video.

    Congratulations! You are today's winner of the "I'm so stupid I would fail a second-grade reading comprehension test, but am going to reply anyway" award!

  • Mainly? Meaning they actually *will* want to do preview at occasions?
    That's a no brainer: Mac OS X.
    If they only want to communitacte and use the web, that's a no-brainer aswell: Get some cheap-ass netbooks that are cheap, small, light and don't break that easy.
    If you're going into warzones, deserts or rainforests that's also - guess what? - a no-brainer: Get Panasonic Toughbooks. And some solar panels.

    Another thing: If you're going on a 18 month tour as the prime IT guy and you have to ask this question I'd actually presume you're maybe the wrong guy for this sort of thing, no?

  • by swordgeek ( 112599 ) on Tuesday May 19, 2009 @11:38AM (#28012525) Journal

    Here's a general comment: Applications should drive the OS decision, not the other way around. Find the software you want to use--play with it, work with it, and then if you have a choice, look into the OS.

    Decades ago, someone mentioned that an OS is kinda like underwear. It should be there, it should provide support, but only the fashion-obsessed really spend much time thinking about it.

  • by TheWanderingHermit ( 513872 ) on Tuesday May 19, 2009 @11:39AM (#28012539)

    Weird. I read the post several times through -- didn't see the "(not to include editing)" and now it's there. While I miss words and symbols due to a learning disability, I don't see how I missed that. I'm going to see if the cached original is different.

    Still, after 10 years of a Linux desktop, then switching to an iMac for the past few months, my experience is that on FOSS there's too much time spent working with tools than using tools to do the work.

  • by SSpade ( 549608 ) on Tuesday May 19, 2009 @11:43AM (#28012601) Homepage

    Your job is not to be an advocate, it's to support your users to the best of your ability. That means steering them towards stuff you know how to support, but doesn't mean pushing them towards your favorite hobby OS when that's not a good match for them.

    The most important thing is to support what your users need to do. For creative users, including writers, that means the tool they're familiar with. If they're used to Windows and Windows tools, give them Windows. If they're used to OS X, give 'em a Mac. Either way, give them a usable screen and a good keyboard - writers will likely kill you if their main writing machine has a plasticky 93% size keyboard.

    The second most important thing is to make sure that the systems are available and the data is safe. Which makes Windows a PITA to support if you're not familiar with Windows administration (which is what it sounds like).

    If it were me, I'd use Macbook Pros running OS X, with VMWare Fusion with unity mode turned on allowing me to run Windows (or Linux, come to that) applications, as though they were native apps. (Don't skimp on RAM). That way the machines can be shared by users who prefer different apps to do what they do, and you can take advantage of either the OS X level stuff or the underlying unix to do backups.

    And a couple of cheap netbooks for emergencies, email, throwing in the back of a truck, that sort of thing. Then a bunch of robust, cheap media for ad-hoc backups (USB sticks, CD-Rs).

    But I'm not your users. Ask them what apps they need, then work out how best to support them.

  • by RiotingPacifist ( 1228016 ) on Tuesday May 19, 2009 @11:46AM (#28012635)

    Why a edit on a mac desktop? Adobe suite + powerful pc will come in at less than just the cost of just the mac!

  • by iocat ( 572367 ) on Tuesday May 19, 2009 @11:47AM (#28012649) Homepage Journal
    What he said, but also... have you tested the google calander in different tme zones simultaneously? In my experience, it blows chunks in the worst possible way. IF people are really going to be travelling around the world, an online system for mail with no local cache might be a really bad idea.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 19, 2009 @11:49AM (#28012677)

    all aspects of hardware and software (not to include editing)

    This machine, you should use for editing and processing your video.

    Congratulations! You are today's winner of the "I'm so stupid I would fail a second-grade reading comprehension test, but am going to reply anyway" award!

    It's posts like this that make me wish I had never found Slashdot.

  • Re:What? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by nine-times ( 778537 ) <nine.times@gmail.com> on Tuesday May 19, 2009 @12:30PM (#28013275) Homepage

    That's good advice so long as they didn't come to him and say, "We don't know what to get, you're our IT guy, so you tell us." As an IT guy, it's worth taking your users' preferences into account, but it's not always the sole determining factor.

    Besides, it sounds like he's talking about email, word processing, web browsing, etc. Anything can do that. For traveling, you're going to want something small, light, and with good battery life. Traveling around the world with a film crew, I wouldn't be surprised if something got lost, broken, or stolen, so I'd also be looking for something relatively cheap and replaceable. From those criteria, I'd be at least considering netbooks, and then figuring out a scheme to keep important documents backed up online.

    Whatever it is, I'd try to standardize (get all the same model) and set the software up so that they're nearly interchangeable. That will make some things easier, but still keep track of who's responsible for which computer. Of course, you may find that someone needs a different model for some reason, so be flexible there, especially if it's your boss.

  • Why not all 3? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by EvilToiletPaper ( 1226390 ) on Tuesday May 19, 2009 @01:01PM (#28013751)
    For just 'communications and writing', I would say get a bunch of small netbooks and some extras in case a few go down. You can get quite a bunch of inexpensive netbooks for the cost of just a couple of expensive macbooks

    In the field you have to be prepared to handle pretty weird stuff, choose an OS that presents the least obstructions. Use a popular distribution of Linux, you don't want to be in the middle of the Congo and make a satphone call to Microsoft or Apple support :).

    Get one or two laptops running MS and OS X in case someone absolutely needs software that only runs on these or if you get a hold of some hardware that only works on one of those
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 19, 2009 @01:18PM (#28014025)

    If you're the IT guy, go with what you're comfortable with. You're the one who's going to have to make it work whenever anything goes wrong.

    Or: If you're the IT guy, go with what your users are comfortable with. You're the one whose job (and supposed expertise) is to understand computers. The users are being paid to shoot a film, not spend time learning their way around an unfamiliar OS.

  • Re:What? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Gutboy ( 587531 ) on Tuesday May 19, 2009 @01:24PM (#28014111)
    Yes we did, and it says " I am the IT guy and will be responsible for most if not all aspects of hardware and software (not to include editing)."

    He isn't in charge of editing.
  • by fxPPC ( 1079383 ) on Tuesday May 19, 2009 @01:39PM (#28014271)
    I've done this before. 16 months in se asia. The most important thing is protecting your footage. Using Mac laptops has made the process easy. Apple's ethos is everything Just Works, and nowhere is that more important than on a independent project, where getting a virus, or having windows go on the fritz can bring production to a stand still. There is a reason the industry standardized on the company that can provide an integrated solution from hardware, to OS, to editing suite. We shot almost 150 hours of footage on a dual system: The camera recorded to HDV tapes, plus a FireStore DTE drive simultaneously. We'd mail the master tapes back to the home office, and be able to quickly copy the footage from the FireStore onto our raid (two firewire hd's gaft-taped together setup in a RAID 1) for backup and review (it's important to be able to look back over past footage when you're working over such a long time period). Add in the fact that FireStore lets you log info metadata from a laptop (over bt or 802.11) as footage is being recorded and you have the ability to run a very fast paced but safe and secure production. You may want to also check out Gorilla or EP Scheduling and Budgeting which are Mac/Win only. Good luck!
  • by thtrgremlin ( 1158085 ) on Tuesday May 19, 2009 @03:24PM (#28015925) Journal

    my experience is that on FOSS there's too much time spent working with tools than using tools to do the work

    I have had similar experience in that there are always way more options and ways of doing or learning things that you can spend all your time figuring it out and get nothing done. Discipline in outlining what do you need to know to get the job done right is really a challenge, and I think that Apple thrives to give you the best options with the least amount of worry at what seems to be the cost of unnecessary alternatives. Apple is really great at simplifying the top down approach of "What can the software do?", "Which features are going to be most useful to my project?", "How do I go about implementing them?" steps. Apple makes that a very narrow and logical path to follow, and teaches you stuff along the way. If you try to take the same approach with Linux/OSS, you will find you can spend all the time in the world reading through documentation of many pieces of software with all kind of features that can often spark the imagination, but can make you feel dizzyingly hopeless.

    When I approach a major project, I will designate a limited amount of time to just surf through what is available to get things started planning wise, then totally forget forget it and start WRITING DOWN what specific tasks will need to be completed at each stage of development. Next, what is the best tool for completing that task, and evaluate how well I know the tool, and how much time may be necessary to learn a good tool I have not used before. Next, find the smallest possible example that would allow you to test a "proof of concept" and see if it is possible to take some info/footage/whatever and move it through each of the stages to a quality level of completion without having to mix steps, go backwards, or whatever. Then people can be broken into teams, you can show them what they are going to get footage/info wise, the tools they are going to get, how they are going to use them, and who to pass it onto when it is finished.

    Typical business organization / delegation type stuff, I just think it really needs to be pointed out that Linux is by design aggressively in support of the bottom-up engineering principle and it is easy to see that ignoring that reality can manifest itself as a load of nightmares.

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