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Science Gifts For Kids? 368

beernutmark writes "I have two science-loving kids ages 7 and 9. My youngest knew Neil deGrasse Tyson's name at age 4. With the holidays coming up, I am looking to get them some quality science-related tools. Two items on the list are a quality microscope and/or a real rock-hounding kit. I am looking for any other gift suggestions for this year or future years (or even for younger kids for other readers) and hints on good sources."
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Science Gifts For Kids?

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  • Try sparkfun.com (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11, 2009 @04:19PM (#30406262)

    they have some cool kits.

  • A few are good... (Score:3, Informative)

    by Oxford_Comma_Lover ( 1679530 ) on Friday December 11, 2009 @04:21PM (#30406288)

    legos are good for modular design, infinite re-use--but you might stay away from the technical or specialty sets, as they tend to be more problematic and less re-usable; capsuela is good for basic gears and so on, and modularity; We also played with BASIC a bit at that age, IIRC. Oh, and Rocky's boots. You must get rocky's boots. Digital Logic for kids.

    Some of these may have modern equivalents...

  • by somersault ( 912633 ) on Friday December 11, 2009 @04:21PM (#30406298) Homepage Journal

    I'd never heard of him, but apparently his name is actually "Neil deGrasse Tyson".

    And knowing the names of scientists is more to do with history than actual science.

    [/complaining]

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11, 2009 @04:22PM (#30406310)
  • Some ideas (Score:4, Informative)

    by fliptout ( 9217 ) on Friday December 11, 2009 @04:23PM (#30406322) Homepage

    A crystal radio kit. A Radio Shack 101 experiments in one. A basic Stamp kit. Mindstorms. A chemistry set. Magnets. Rocket kit.

    Even something more technical that a parent or grandparent would enjoy doing as a project together with the kid. I've got fond memories of designing circuits with my father, building things with my grandfather, etc.

  • Makershed Kit (Score:5, Informative)

    by odin84gk ( 1162545 ) on Friday December 11, 2009 @04:24PM (#30406334)

    Chemistry Kits:
    http://www.makershed.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=89 [makershed.com]

    Electronics Kits
    http://www.makershed.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=49 [makershed.com]

    Sorry to make it look like spam, but I'm a fan of the "Make" site.

  • Telescope (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11, 2009 @04:24PM (#30406354)

    The Galileoscope is a high-quality, low-cost telescope kit developed for the International Year of Astronomy 2009 by a team of leading astronomers, optical engineers, and science educators. No matter where you live, with this easy-to-assemble, 50-mm (2-inch) diameter, 25- to 50-power achromatic refractor, you can see the celestial wonders that Galileo Galilei first glimpsed 400 years ago

    priced at U.S. $20 each plus shipping

    https://www.galileoscope.org/

  • Snap Circuits (Score:5, Informative)

    by CognitiveFusion ( 602570 ) on Friday December 11, 2009 @04:27PM (#30406386) Homepage

    Snap Circuit Kits make good introductions to electronics. Think circuitry LEGOs.

    http://www.elenco.com/snapcircuits.html [elenco.com]

  • HST (Score:4, Informative)

    by jockeys ( 753885 ) on Friday December 11, 2009 @04:28PM (#30406416) Journal
    I've had good luck and good service from http://www.hometrainingtools.com/ [hometrainingtools.com] Home Science Tools. I got presents for my nephews there this year, they have all sorts of fun kits and things, (including a very nice rockhound kit) and the prices seemed pretty competitive. Even ordering last week I got the stuff pretty quickly.

    Disclaimer: I am not affiliated in any way, just a satisfied customer.
  • by compumike ( 454538 ) on Friday December 11, 2009 @04:29PM (#30406428) Homepage

    Whatever you do, find something where there's real teaching and interactivity and creative thinking going on -- not just polishing some rocks or a step-by-step Lego project. And furthermore, interacting with your child while they're using whatever science gift you pick is also extremely valuable.

    Ages 7 and 9 may be a bit young... but we know that 11-year olds do well with getting introduced to electronics and programming, and the interaction that it offers with the physical world through various sensors and actuators. In our experience at NerdKits electronics kits [nerdkits.com], our youngest customers tend to learn the fastest, because they are the most fearless! They're able to try building something, get something wrong, but just keep working at it until they succeed. Our various free video tutorials [nerdkits.com] help teach various electronics and programming concepts as well.

    Here's an 11-year-old's NerdKits "Kid Review" in Make Magazine [make-digital.com], or a reading by the author of the review [youtube.com].

    Challenge them a bit -- with a bit of guidance, they're capable of taking on more than you might think!

  • Eyeclops bionic eye (Score:3, Informative)

    by nizo ( 81281 ) * on Friday December 11, 2009 @04:32PM (#30406470) Homepage Journal

    A decent microscope that you plug into your TV. The kids have had theirs for a year and still play with it all the time.

  • Re:Telescope (Score:3, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11, 2009 @04:33PM (#30406494)

    Seconding the telescope option. But don't do it if you're getting them a crappy one - it's easy to get discouraged with garbage. Do some research and don't get sucked in by marketing ploys advertising 99999999x magnification or whatever. Get a decent reflector with a useable aperture and good eyepieces.

    And yes, IAAA (I am an astronomer).

  • Re:Anonymous Coward (Score:3, Informative)

    by TheCycoONE ( 913189 ) on Friday December 11, 2009 @04:34PM (#30406504)

    I agree Think Geek is a good place to go for ideas, but once you've found something check the websites of the neighborhood box stores. I've often found that I can find the same thing at Canadian Tire or some other shop for a lot less money and no wait.

  • Re:Anonymous Coward (Score:4, Informative)

    by arogier ( 1250960 ) * on Friday December 11, 2009 @04:34PM (#30406510) Homepage Journal
    What ever kit or instruments you procure them for Christmas, accompany it with a good notebook and some durable pens. The experiment is the cool stuff, but the recording of the story of how you explain the consequences it the real value you can bring to early explorations of science. A real lab notebook with numbered and permanently bound pages for your young scientist to record their adventures, possibly from a university bookstore with a university logo on it may do something to increase its appeal. Comparisons to a Captain's log might help your sell, but saying its like a diary might hurt your case.
  • Re:Snap Circuits (Score:5, Informative)

    by CambodiaSam ( 1153015 ) on Friday December 11, 2009 @04:34PM (#30406520)
    Completely Agree. My son has a set and loves it. It's far superior to the Radio Shack 200-in-1 kit that I had as a kid. Those used wires and springs, and were a total pain. This new set is a heck of a lot easier and just as entertaining.
  • Here Comes Science (Score:2, Informative)

    by Brett Diamond ( 1266964 ) on Friday December 11, 2009 @04:37PM (#30406562) Homepage
    You should check out They Might Be Giants' newest album "Here Comes Science" (a CD/DVD combo, available at Amazon for $13).
  • Re:Growing up... (Score:5, Informative)

    by rwa2 ( 4391 ) * on Friday December 11, 2009 @04:39PM (#30406592) Homepage Journal

    Don't just go out and get a telescope without a good book to go with it.

    I've been using one of David Levy's books with my kids... something similar to:
    David Levy's Guide to the Night Sky
    that I found in the bargain bin some time ago. It has great introduction and background, plus points of interest to look for in every constellation. Much better than the rudimentary charts that come packaged with most telescopes.

    Also, it recommends first starting with a good pair of binoculars before moving on to telescopes. Which are also more practical for virtually any other kind of natural sciences pursuit as well.

  • Re:Telescope (Score:3, Informative)

    by atomistic ( 1678742 ) on Friday December 11, 2009 @04:49PM (#30406694)
    If you get a telescope for them, be sure to make it a decent reflector. One of the biggest ways people go wrong getting into stargazing is by getting a cheap telescope that is worse than a pair of binoculars. Not only is the result blurry, but you can't get enough light to see the fainter objects that are the most interesting. Contact your local astronomical society for a good deal on a used scope. You might even be able to get a mount for a digital camera so your kids can photograph what they see and send it to relatives or post online. A photo they take of the moon or Jupiter will really make them smile and be encouraged. If you get REALLY into it, you can check out some of the amateur research requests on AAVSO. :) But little steps at first.
  • by syousef ( 465911 ) on Friday December 11, 2009 @05:11PM (#30407010) Journal

    For the microscope, get them interested with a "toy" one for about $30 and if they find that fun, move on to a more serious unit for $300 and up.

    Binoculars. I've been happier with binocs I picked up for $25 than I have been with a pair I bought for $150. Once you start spending over $50, you're best to do your research and buy a pair around the $200-$300 from a reputable brand. 7x50 is best for astronomy. Anything over 10x isn't suitable to hand hold. Zoom binocs are more fragile.

    Telescope. DO NOT pick up a department store telescope. Start them off with a dobsonian. (Good for everything but deep sky photography). What counts most in a telescope for deep sky observing is diameter. 8" is a good compromise. These days you can larger telescopes that collapse so you might be able to go up to about 12" but price increases with size. Make sure it fits in your car.

    Hiking GPS. One that does mapping. I'm partial to Garmin.

    Camera. Often overlooked, it can be used for a wide variety of things. Low power microscopy, bird identification. Something that does PASM. Ideally something that has decent macro and has at least 10x zoom. You can pick up brand new cameras that fit this description for around $200. They won't match much more expensive camera, but they do well. Next step up is an SLR.

    Radio scanner. Becoming less of a good idea as transmissions are moving towards encryption. But still an excellent tool for plane spotting. Take s snapshot with a good zoom camera and you'll be able to look up the plane's registration in a publicly available database which will give you make, model, owner etc.

    Chem sets might be disappearing but electronics kits that teach the basics are still around.

    For younger ages a good mechano set isn't a bad place to start learning basic engineering principles.

    Kites and remote control aircraft are excellent for teaching about aerodynamics. Anyone can fly a small kite but if you want to learn to fly r/c aircraft be sure to join a club and do it right or you'll waste time and money and have frustrated kids. Best idea these is to start on a simulator.

    Never forget the value of a good book or documentary. Carl Sagan's Cosmos is a little bit dated but still excellent. Universe. Walking with Dinosaurs....lots of good science stuff available. Your kids don't need to be cartoon and fairytale drones. You can set up one day a week to watch a series. If it's available for free on TV all the better.

    Check out some of the excellent scientific software around. Some of the most amazing stuff is free. From planetarium software to math software, it's all there if you're willing to spend time learning and teaching with it. Don't discount web sites as well. I can think of a couple of incredible web sites including NASA and Hubblesite. There's a lot of stuff that's out of copyright but still relevant. I just downloaded some out of copyright birding books the other day. Check out open library. There may even be value in university level Open Course Ware depending on the subject (but remember your kids don't know calculus so keep math topics light).

    If there's a local library, get your kids a library card and take them there when you can.

  • Re:Telescope ++ (Score:2, Informative)

    by tkohler ( 806572 ) on Friday December 11, 2009 @05:35PM (#30407286)
    Galileoscopes are $15 and have the added benefit that they are kits. Buy a couple. They are better and cheaper than toy-store variety. The best scope is one that gets used. (https://www.galileoscope.org/) I did a lot of research and a great, low cost, entry level microscope is something called a "My First Lab Duo-Scope Microscope". It sounds fishy but is sturdy, well made and not horrible optically - it runs about $60. Give "The World of the Microscope" book to go along with it. The Eyeclops(http://www.eyeclops.com/) is good for some things too if you have a TV to plug it in to. We buy a lot of equipment from Homesciencetools.com (http://www.hometrainingtools.com/) and American Science Surplus(http://www.sciplus.com/). Then best chemistry sets are the Thames and Kosmos sets. They are the least watered-down sets available now.
  • Galileoscope (Score:2, Informative)

    by RandallSmith ( 240944 ) on Friday December 11, 2009 @05:40PM (#30407342)

    I suggest checking out the Galileoscope:
    https://www.galileoscope.org
    a cheap ($20) telescope designed as part of the International Year of Astronomy to meet or exceed the specifications of Galileo's original telescope.

    I've got a number of them -- they're great for kids and adults.

  • Re:Telescope (Score:5, Informative)

    by Rei ( 128717 ) on Friday December 11, 2009 @06:36PM (#30407926) Homepage

    I second what you wrote. To the original author: You'll need to have your expectations in order when you buy a telescope. And stay far, far away from the Chinese junk; it's borderline worthless. Some tips are below. First, your viewing expectations:

    Binoculars (~$100):
    * Moon: Great. Almost like in books or photographs.
    * Planets: Points of light. You will probably see the Galilean moons around Jupiter. You probably won't see Saturn's rings, but you might.
    * Galaxies and globular clusters: The brightest galaxies and globular clusters will look like fuzzy blurs on the starfield.
    * Open clusters: The brightest open clusters, such as the Pleiades, will have a number of stars visible within. Don't expect much from others.
    * Nebulae: Don't expect to see any but the brightest of them, and expect those to be in black and white, with no real detail of relevance.

    Low-end, 4-6" telescope (~$350):
    * Moon: Wonderful. Better than books and photographs.
    * Planets: Points of light. You will see the Galilean moons around Jupiter. If you're *very* lucky, you might see cloud bands. You will likely see Saturn's rings, but no real detail. You can get enhanced planet detail by stacking photographs (you'll need a webcam or DSLR and an appropriate mount)
    * Galaxies and globular clusters: The brightest galaxies and globular clusters will look like fuzzy blurs on the starfield. You can get greater detail if you hook up a camera and do long exposures (with tracking) or stacking of photos. You'll need a webcam or DSLR and an appropriate mount for this.
    * Open clusters: Like binoculars, but more stars.
    * Nebulae: Don't expect to see any but the brightest of them, and expect those to be in black and white, with relatively little detail. Color and detail can be greatly enhanced by long exposures (with tracking) or stacking of photos. You'll need a webcam or DSLR and an appropriate mount for this.

    High-end, 8-12" telescope (~$1000 or more). Assuming good viewing conditions:
    * Moon: Wonderful. Better than books and photographs.
    * Planets: Mercury and Venus are points of light. You might make out Mars' polar ice caps. You will see the Galilean moons around Jupiter, as well as cloud bands. You will see Saturn's rings, and perhaps some detail on them. Uranus and Neptune are dim points of light. Greater detail can come from stacking of images (you'll need a webcam or DSLR and an appropriate mount)
    * Galaxies and globular clusters: The brightest galaxies and globular clusters will *still* look like fuzzy blurs on the starfield, although on some globular clusters, you may see some individual stars. You can get much greater detail if you hook up a camera and do long exposures (with tracking) or stacking of photos. You'll need a webcam or DSLR and an appropriate mount for this.
    * Open clusters: Like a smaller telescope, but even more stars.
    * Nebulae: Only expect to see those that are at least fairly bright, and expect those to be in black and white, with relatively little detail. Color and detail can be dramatically enhanced by long exposures (with tracking) or stacking of photos. You'll need a webcam or DSLR and an appropriate mount for this.

    In short: No matter what you get, as far as consumer products go, the moon is great, while planets, galaxies, globular clusters, open clusters, and nebulae are generally disappointing unless you do long exposures and/or stacking to enhance them. But going with a better scope with a bigger aperture will let you see more detail with your bare eyes.

    General tips:
    * You may not even have given this a second thought, but think strongly about the physical size of what you buy. A pair of binoculars is a nothing task to grab and toss into the car to head out of town and go stargazing. A 50lb, 8-foot long Newtonian? Not so much. A big, heavy object will discourage you from using it. If

  • Microscope (Score:2, Informative)

    by pubwvj ( 1045960 ) on Friday December 11, 2009 @08:40PM (#30409146)

    Microscope is the best. Decades of fun. They're old enough for a real one but even one of the cheap $25 kiddie scopes open up the world if the little things. Get one that is both optical and digital to connect to the computer. We got a National Optical Model DC-128 and love it.

    Next is a telescope.

  • Re:Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 12, 2009 @05:07AM (#30412146)

    I actually had the Think Geek USB microscope and it was awful. I tried to use it for a pond water class. Couldn't see much of anything. Edmund Scientific has a much nicer USB/projection microscope. It's a bit pricier, but not much considering the quality. The toys at scientificsonline.com are awesome!

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