Best Phone For a Wi-Fi-Only Location? 289
bendodge writes "I am planning on heading to a university in a remote area with very poor cellular service (the only signal is spotty Verizon voice, no data). However, the entire campus is thoroughly blanketed in Wi-Fi. I am trying to find the best and most economical 'Wi-Fi phone' or else hack one together. Belkin/Netgear sell what is essentially a portable Skype device for $180. These folks recommend outfitting an iPod Touch with a mic and VoIP apps. I am looking for something that can make and receive calls to and from landlines with incoming call notification. What experiences have Slashdot readers had and what would you recommend?"
Android (Score:5, Informative)
It may be a bit more expensive, but you could get any android phone and run sipdroid through a SIP provider of your choice, then forward your mobile number to your SIP line. Then you have the advantage that you can seamlessly switch to a mobile network when you go off-campus.
E-Series Nokia or other WiFi-capable Symbian phone (Score:5, Informative)
When I was in a similar situation I simply got a used Symbian phone (in my case a Nokia E60 for some 50 EUR, the most important thing is there to get one with the S60 operating system.). You should be able to use that with Skype for Symbian, or alternatively with fring if your phone is not supported directly. Works well.
The E-series Nokias had the advantage is that they also included a SIP client out of the box so you weren't limited to Skype. Also there is a Python programming environment if you're into that sort of thing.
Unlike the iPod Touch it also has the advantage that it works as a phone when you're somewhere where there actually is cellular reception, or when you go abroad.
iPod Touch (Score:4, Informative)
The iPod Touch ships with a microphone on the 3GS and above. It is built into the Apple earphones. You can download Skype for free. I would use that but only if you need an iPod / MP3 player anyway. If you don't then you could pick up a Netbook for the same price that can do a lot more...
Nokia N900 (Score:5, Informative)
T-Mobile UMA (Score:3, Informative)
Get a T-Mobile UMA capable phone. Most of their blackberry line is compatible with UMA calling. UMA makes phone calls over WiFi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlicensed_Mobile_Access
Nokia n900 if you can afford it (Score:2, Informative)
I've had one for almost half a year and have used it for Skype calls quite a bit. VoIP is integrated in a nice way and it's a really great device in general.
Android, Nokia, iPod Touch (Score:5, Informative)
The dedicated Skype or VoIP phones are junk in my experience: hard to configure, unreliable, etc. They usually can't deal with browser-based configuration, limit your choice of VoIP providers, etc.
My recommendation: get an Android phone, Nokia Symbian phone, or an iPod touch. All of them support VoIP, including Skype. The Android phone is the better choice but a bit more expensive; it will also allow you to make phone calls when you travel. Nokia phones with WiFi are cheaper, have better battery life, and also have great browsers, but the UI is bit clunky. The iPod Touch has a good screen and lots of apps, but the only way you can call is with a headset.
(I've used all of them myself.)
Re:Android (Score:5, Informative)
Another vote for Sipdroid here.
Works flawlessly on WiFi as well as 3G, and the call quality through PBXes.org is landline-crystal-clear.
Any T-Mobile phone with UMA ... (Score:3, Informative)
I recommend any T-Mobile phone that is UMA (Wifi calling) enabled. UMA phones essentially do GSM-over-IP, so when the phone has a wifi signal, your normal phone number encoded on the SIM card will ring, and you can send and receive calls and texts normally. Most T-Mobile BlackBerries, and a few other phones can do this, its listed as Wifi Calling on the spec sheets. You can also take your phone and use it as normal on T-Mobile network, and then have it hop on wifi when you move into range seemlessly.
(UMA is not SIP, it works very well over low bandwidth links, and I've had little trouble with it)
If T-Mobile doesn't work for you, a Symbian or Android phone with a VoIP client using something like sipgate might be a good choice.
Re:Google "UDP" (Score:3, Informative)
Ah, see further down... guess you mean UMA...
Re:E-Series Nokia or other WiFi-capable Symbian ph (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Use a specialized device (Score:5, Informative)
No, it's not - I've got that exact one and it's shitting terrible. 'Unstable' is an understatement - it'll randomly lock-up and not take calls whenever it feels like it, refuses to connect to random WiFi devices that work perfectly with everything else, run out of battery after not really doing anything, crash whenever it feels like it, suffer from poor audio quality (and, until a firmware update vaguely fixed it, terrible echo), you name it...
Wondering if it was a new model, or at least the old model with updated firmware - I checked the downloads. The latest firmware's from 2007, and from experience I can tell you is still as buggy as anything.
My second-generation iPod Touch running Skype felt like a wondrous device from the distant future in comparison - that is, until I left it on a bus. Also, it wouldn't really act as a phone - no Skype running in the background, and so on...
I make do with a laptop these days.
Re:E-Series Nokia or other WiFi-capable Symbian ph (Score:5, Informative)
Re:E-Series Nokia or other WiFi-capable Symbian ph (Score:3, Informative)
My N95 is an amazing SIP device. The native SIP implementation means that a SIP call behaves exactly like a normal call. Just dial the number as usual, just choose internet call instead of voice call. It works over wifi and 3G, almost seamless.
As for NAT, I never had any problems with it. It has NAT transversal support.
As for cheap, you can always buy one second hand.
Re:Use a specialized device (Score:3, Informative)
Ipevo SO-20 (Score:3, Informative)
Weird name, but works well. Round $130 normally.
http://www.frys.com/product/5859653 [frys.com]
Reviewers seem to find the Belkin and Linksys units flaky, but the Ipevo gets good reviews. We have one. Don't use it much, but it's worked everywhere we've tried.
You could also hack together something with an old Windows CE unit (i.e. Dell Axim x51v has the power, but Wifi it a bit weak.)
Or maybe get a tablet PC (Fujitsu U810, Oqo) with a headset, optionally bluetooth. They use a normal OS (Windows, Linux, even Mac OS) not the wacky cut-down ones on those other machines.
Finally, a question I am expert on! (Score:5, Informative)
1. Belkin WiFi Phone... I got one of these a few years ago. The sound quality is not too bad, but the battery doesn't last terribly long, and more importantly, the sound volume was too quiet. I had to use a headset with it most of the time (and it doesn't support bluetooth).
2. iPod Touch. You need a iPod Touch 3G (the older ones don't support microphones), and then you will have to use a headset. I have one of these, and I use it some of the time. If you want to use it only for outgoing calls, it's fine. If you want to receive incoming calls, then you'd better leave skype running, in the foreground, and make sure the screen doesn't lock (not very realistic). Some of this may be improving with OS 4, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Alternatively, you can get an iPhone, and just use Skype or your favorite app on there, since it has the mike built in.
3. UCCom (Starcom?) WiFi SIP phone. This was like #1, except it wasn't skype specific, it was locked to uhm.. Vonage. It sucked in most every way. The volume was quiet, the battery life was short, and the display and menus were primitive.
4. Sony Mylo 2 - This is billed as a "personal communicator", but it if really a glorified Skype phone. They are pricey new, but you can probably get a used one cheap these days... It can auto-connect to WiFi (of course), and auto-launch skype, and auto-log in (of course). It has a touch-screen, and you can dial normally with Skype-Out. The volume is reasonable, and it comes with a headset as well. The battery life is pretty good, and it has some other apps (like Google talk) as well. Most importantly, it comes with a cradle (or if not, you can buy one separately), so you can put it somewhere and have it charge and wait for calls when you're not using it - like a normal phone. Mo more fishing for USB charging adapters, etc. I have one and it's been hooked up and in constant use for about 2 years. It does a good job of staying signed into Skype and reconnecting WiFi/Skype automatically when there's an issue. Most reviews of the Mylo say it sucks, but that's because they were rating the web browser or other features which, frankly, do suck. (Or because the reviewer didn't know it was WiFi only and wondered why it wouldn't work when there was no signal). As a Skype phone, I haven't seen better. I also take it with me when I go overseas, so I can use it at friend's houses and random places like Starbucks.
Note: First, I am not making an account just to post this (hence the AC), but since I am a heavy user of this type of thing he is asking for, please mod this up to help the OP.
Re:Nokia N900 (Score:5, Informative)
The Maemo package manage system is the Debian package management system. They are the same. They both use dpkg and apt.
So your criticism makes no sense. If you are having trouble with dependencies on Maemo you'd have the same problem on Debian.
Re:Use a specialized device (Score:3, Informative)
Can's say how it would perform as a phone, but my experience of the battery life on an iPod Touch is very good. I get hours (~6) of more or less continuous browsing on mine, and that's with the screen on and actively rendering pages every few minutes as well as WiFi (obviously).
Re:E-Series Nokia or other WiFi-capable Symbian ph (Score:5, Informative)
I'll second this. Got my n900 a few months back for the exact same reason as the OP. Now I am connected continously to a number of VOIP and other services receiving calls and starting them without hardly knowing the difference. It all just works.
Re:Nokia N900 (Score:1, Informative)
Only problem I've had with updating is that some apps from extras-testing (has to be enabled manually) installed them selfs to rootfs so 1.2 update did not have enough room. Just moved MicroB browser to /home/opt and that was that.
Not a trivial thing for a "normal" user of course, but then again normal user does not enable extras-testing since it's command line stuff to install applications from it anyway.
Re:Android (Score:3, Informative)
OR if you can get hold of a second hand Nokia N95 (and some other series 60 phones which have WiFi), they can usually run SKype, and often have SIP built in, and can run without a SIM card, if you have that requirement.
Re:E-Series Nokia or other WiFi-capable Symbian ph (Score:5, Informative)
Another metoo here - the way N900 handles Skype and VOIP is very nice.
But seriously, be aware of the battery drain. N900 lasts for a day with WiFi on and with moderate Skype use (always signed in, max. ~2h talktime). And what's annoying it still can't use all the power-saving thingies in WiFi with certain access points so you might have a surprise in some locations with hot phone draining the battery in full speed. The good thing is that it still gets fixes and matures and wifi-related bugs are still being closed.
And it is still quite expensive. If the only requirement was the wifi and SIP/Skype I would definitely google around for the Nokia E-series (S60 3rd edition, do not bother with older ones) - they tend to have good battery life and Skype and VOIP works - and you don't get the power drain of the N900's large touchscreen and Linux kernel which frankly isn't as mature on the N900 as the Symbian equivelant is regarding to power management.
Consider UMA + WiFi phone (Score:5, Informative)
See http://nokiaexperts.com/tmobile-nokia-e73-mode-uma-wifi-calling-killer-functionality/ [nokiaexperts.com] for an example - UMA is a way of having 'standard cellular voice' (GSM based) delivered over WiFi - it's a bit like VoIP in that your GSM voice call goes over IP, but unlike VoIP in that it is not using SIP or Skype, and instead you roam between WiFi and GSM areas seamlessly (useful when off campus).
UMA WiFi phones are mostly for people who go between WiFi and GSM - one huge advantage is that the phone can automatically turn off the radio it's not using i.e. turn off GSM when WiFi is used. This saves a lot of battery life. Another big advantage is that you have one phone number and one phone service across GSM and WiFi, which is useful when you are off campus, and of course GSM mode will use less battery. T-Mobile offer this in the US, see link above. http://www.umatoday.com/ [umatoday.com] has general info.
UMA phones are thin on the ground but it's a useful feature - quite a few Blackberries support this. If you don't need UMA, almost any Nokia E-series phone with Symbian S60 would be fine. The Nokia phones are not the highest tech but they are very reliable, which is good if this is your only phone on campus - the E71 also includes GPS and other nice things, and I got it free with a great $40/month package. The N-series are more consumer oriented and also run Symbian, apart from the N900 which is Maemo.
Re:Android (Score:4, Informative)
Are there any? The nice thing is that, as far as I know, they ALL have WiFi, and models like the HTC Magic and Dream should be dirt-cheap by now - so cheap that getting a full-blown Android smartphone is just a bonus... :)
Re:Android (Score:4, Informative)
Go G1 and hit the checkmark if you don't have the time to spend on customization. G1s should probably also be somewhat cheap now too, I would think.
Oh, I should note that I only use one wifi zone (my house - with authentication and encryption). I don't just hop around easily from Starbucks to the mall to wherever. I'd imagine that type of thing would involve config for each individual location. Assuming your campus has the same network name/config, I'd imagine a one time config would also do for you.
Nokia options (Score:5, Informative)
I refer to the Nokia VOIP compatibility list a lot for times like these, and the URL that has always worked is (I hope the pages works again, soon):
VoIP support in Nokia devices - Forum Nokia Wiki
http://www.forum.nokia.com/main/resources/technologies/voice_over_IP/voip_support_in_nokia_devices.html [nokia.com]
For clients, family, & friends, I always pointed out any Nokia phone on that list handled SIP natively. However it seems today Nokia is updating their site, and that URL is unavailable. I really hope the page comes back!
My own 'ancient' N95 with a 2nd forward-facing camera (needs Fring, but then I'm making skype-compatible video calls) does pretty everything the recent 2 generations of iPhone do. Only the newer iPhone shoots in higher resolution is all. But multitasking, SIP, tethering, and A2DP bluetooth (wireless phone/music headset), I've been enjoying all that stuff for several years earlier than Apple said I could.
My favorite app is SportTracker, which allows voice-enabled AGPS, or sans-data-plan then GPS navigation (that's 2 map apps, multitasking nicely). I can ride my bike, listen to tunes, a computer lady tells me when to turn, the music fades out softly for incoming-headset SIP calls. And I can upload my trip to Nokia's SportsTracker server, for social networking/exercise, w/ Gmaps, etc. Nokia is even coming out with a 15-20 euro bike-powered-charger; I can't wait. GPS wants juice. The N79 even records Polar heart tracking data, and uploads it along with any auto-geo-tagged MP3 playlist to SportsTracker.
The N900 _IS_ a linux computer, and I'll upgrade to it, or its successor, once my N95 dies, but so far, so very good. Nokia does great with software updates too; (over the ownership of this device, Nokia has impressed me this way; it is so much better than when it was new)
Get a Nokia E Series (Score:3, Informative)
If you can, get a Nokia E72 unlocked. If you can't get the E72, get any E series Nokia phone (I have E71).
Reason for recommendation:
* WiFi roaming is painless
* 1500mAh battery: WiFi *drains* battery. You absolutely need the phone with largest battery pack or you're looking at charging it twice a day. A large screen android/iPhone is fun for a week till you get tired of looking at battery bars. Nokia will last whole 3 days on GSM and will get you through the day on WiFi.
* Integrated SIP with same dialing/receiving experience as a GSM call
* VoIP apps: Pretty much every VoIP app is available including Fring, Talkonaut and Skype apart from integrated SIP
* Excellent sound quality
Cons:
* Small screen by today's standards (you get battery life in return) ......)
* Abysmal inbuilt browser (you can have Opera Mobile and Opera Mini instead)
* It's not hip in US (however, if you want nerd points it'll score many - run wordpress on your phone with downloadable port of Apache2, MySQL4 and PHP5 - no kidding)
* Custom development is painful, but you get everything and the kitchen sink to write apps for the device (Python, Java, C++,
* No touchscreen
Re:Nokia N900 (Score:3, Informative)
Just fyi, if you disable all extra-testing, etc. repositories then you'll clean out like 10+ megs package descriptions, which sufficed for most people. I personally had further problems with LaTeX because Maemo's optify rather stupidly does not move hordes of small files to /home/opt, but I moved them manually. If you install command line applications like git, you must always manually move them too.
Re:E-Series Nokia or other WiFi-capable Symbian ph (Score:5, Informative)
IF you have the cash I would definitely go for the N900.
Or, since the submitter wanted "most economical", you could get an N800 or N810 for much less off fleabay etc. A bit bigger, but much better battery life than the N900. (no GSM/3G) Does skype and SIP very well.
Solution: Land Line (Score:2, Informative)
ipod touch + skype IN = cheap second phone (Score:3, Informative)
I have a 32GB ipod touch with skype. I bought the skypeIn service which gives me a real landline number. When people call that number, I pay a per minute charge. I buy time in $25 increments. I would say on a busy month, I go through that unit of credit.
Since it serves as a second phone, I often keep the ipod docked to my laptop which is plugged into a wall scocket. Battery life is an issue, but overall I like my solution. I wish I could get 3G service for the iPod.
Re:Android (Score:5, Informative)
SIP [wikipedia.org] is a protocol to make phonecalls and videocalls over the internet.
Before cheap cellphone plans, before Wifi even, people wanted to use their existing connections to also make phonecalls and so was SIP born. As well the need to program PBX's (telephone switchboards, call forwarding, answering machines, option menu's, ...) in companies for internal telephone traffic -without using an expensive solution from a telecom operator. These things all use SIP (probably the phone sitting on your desk is connected to a PBX redirecting calls and initiazing SIP-based calls.)
The SIPdroid on Android thus, is a client using the internet to make phonecalls and allows you to set up a telephony switchboard with all the options you might want (research Asterisk or TrixBox) without paying a single connection-cost to your telephony provider. And allows you to transfer incoming calls to your home (say you have a telephone number hooked to your PBX) to your cellphone if your cellphone is connected to the internet. (wifi, mobile).
As added funbonus, you can programm your PBX (Asterisk) to automate things in your house (domotica) triggered by say a telephone menu and operate your house by your phone and secure it through a obligatory SIP-connection (takes username and password).
Plenty of reasons to want to run a SIP-client on your Android.
Samsung Omnia i910 (Score:3, Informative)
Samsung Omnia i910 (might be a new version out by now). Mine rocks. The wifi in it is top notch.
iPod Touch 3G (Score:3, Informative)
Battery life is key. (Score:3, Informative)
For reasons I do not understand using WiFi takes a lot more juice than using the cellular network. While many small devices, like a cell phone or iPod touch can do SIP, they get really hot and burn battery really fast. I would not consider any of them usable as a general purpose solution if you want reasonable talk time.
I don't know much about dedicated WiFi phones, there are some out there and they may be good choices. However, due to the battery issue, perhaps an iPad? The larger form factor provides a much larger battery. The same SIP apps that work on the Touch will work on the iPad. You might like it for other reasons too. :)
Check with computer services dept. first (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Android (Score:4, Informative)
a protocol to make phonecalls and videocalls over the internet
SIP is a lot more than that. SIP is to phone calls and video calls what HTTP is to Amazon.com. As it's name implies, it's used to initiate sessions. Could be a video call. Could be a VoIP call. Could be a shared whiteboard app or remote desktop/application viewing/sharing. It's just a clearly labeled container. You might want to put "VoIP" on the container. I might want to put "Instant Message" on the container. The container can contain whatever it is that the two (or more) bubbas on either end decide they can both understand. Wicked, now we have initiated a session. Punt! As an example, a video call between two (or more) people would be initiated by SIP - but once initiated the actual voice/video is RTP and handled by whatever is supposed to handle RTP.
Sure, sure it came about as a byproduct of some guys wanting to dump POTS Central but that wasn't (isn't) it's purpose. Signaling. It's all about signaling.
I liked your post. It was informative. I'm just making sure folks know SIP is not JUST phone/video calls. The Wikipedia link doesn't do SIP any kind of justice. But I love your shout-out to Askerisk and your example of it's potential. Good stuff there.
Re:T-Mobile UMA - I have this (Score:4, Informative)
I have a Nokia 6301. Its very small and just a phone (it can email and do very limited web surfing.. although its not pretty). It does hop onto wifi and make calls on wifi when it can. Works well, I have t-mobile, I think they call it "hot spot" calling or some such thing.
Re:Android (Score:5, Informative)
If you go this route definitely check out Google Voice and Airplane Mode Wi-Fi Tool. Google voice will integrate 100% with the phone so you can use the regular dialer, send and receive sms, etc. all over WiFi. Combined with sipdroid you can't go wrong.
Airplane Mode Wi-Fi Tool is a simple app that will allow you to turn off your cellular radio, 3g services, bluetooth, everything EXCEPT Wi-Fi essentially. That way you won't waste your battery on unnecessary radios.
Re:iPod Touch (Score:3, Informative)
Submitter here. I already have an EEE 1005HA netbook with Bluetooth, but I can't have it awake constantly to receive calls. I'm going for the functionality and appearance of a phone without becoming a Verizon customer.
I placed a bid on a used Nokia N95 as dr00p suggested [slashdot.org]. He says it has a native SIP client that works over WiFi, which sounds perfect.