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Fun To Be Had With a 10-Foot Satellite Dish? 386

An anonymous reader writes "I'm moving to a rural community in the central United States. On the property is a satellite dish in excess of 3 meters in diameter that seems to still be in excellent condition. I already enjoy shortwave radio and was wondering what interesting TV feeds I might be able to catch with the dish. What kind of equipment would I need and how much should I expect to spend? If it's not useful for that purpose, what other fun projects might I use it for?"
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Fun To Be Had With a 10-Foot Satellite Dish?

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  • by elewton ( 1743958 ) on Thursday August 26, 2010 @08:58AM (#33379934)
    Get a biquad,2.4 GHz amplifier, and an AWUS 036h. Install Backtrack, set to monitor mode and start scanning your town!
  • by Chrisq ( 894406 ) on Thursday August 26, 2010 @09:01AM (#33379972)
    You might be able to pick up the feeds to TV companies. I knew someone who did this years back but they might be encrypted now. They would sometimes pick up presenters chatting during advert breaks, people waiting to go on air, etc.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 26, 2010 @09:01AM (#33379978)

    a south african invention: put a gas cooker underneath it and prepare meals for ten! :-)

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 26, 2010 @09:02AM (#33379992)

    Attached it to the output terminal of a large tesla coil, and see if you can cause electric arcs to form between the ground and metallic objects, at a distance.

  • Moon bounce (Score:5, Interesting)

    by enigma32 ( 128601 ) on Thursday August 26, 2010 @09:03AM (#33380008)

    My boss at the last place I worked had a number of extremely large dishes that he used for moon bounce: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EME_(communications) [wikipedia.org]

    Interesting stuff. I don't know how active and interesting the conversations are (as I understand there are relatively few people that do this) but from a technical perspective I think it's interesting to bounce a signal off the moon and listen to the result...

    I've been told that his medium sized dish (approx 10' I suppose) worked best for this purpose...

    I'm no expert on this; have only run into it before at that job...

  • Get a second... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by stakovahflow ( 1660677 ) on Thursday August 26, 2010 @09:04AM (#33380018)

    1. Get a second satellite dish.
    2. Attach a bar between the two, facing each other like this: (-)
    3. Turn this setup onto its side.
    4. Then mount the base of one dish, horizontally, so that one is facing up to the other, which is facing down.
    5. Using a roll of 1-2' sheet metal (sheet aluminum works for me).
    6. Attach one end of the sheet metal to the ground with a pair of small metal tent stakes.
    7. Attach the other side of this to the dish that is facing up.
    8. Spray paint the dishes & landing ramp the colour of your choice, if desired.
    9. Presto!

    When complete, you will have yourself a nice flying saucer in the yard, to be the envy of all your neighbors and friends.

    At least, that's what I did once with two of three old satellite dishes in my yard...

    Cheers!

    --Stak

  • Radio Astronomy (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Murdoch5 ( 1563847 ) on Thursday August 26, 2010 @09:04AM (#33380020) Homepage
    We did this at my school. We took a bunch of 3 meter dishes like on your property and turned them in to a astronomy farm. Now to be fair the software end of the project was intense to say the least but the pay off was huge. It was a sweet project and we accomplished it in under a year, It might be something for you to take a look at. Here are some links.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_astronomy [wikipedia.org]
    http://www.nrao.edu/index.php/learn/radioastronomy [nrao.edu]
    http://www.radio-astronomy.net/ [radio-astronomy.net]
  • Solar furnace? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by berryjw ( 1071694 ) on Thursday August 26, 2010 @09:06AM (#33380034)
    I've always wanted to line one with Mylar, point it at the sun, and see what temperature you could generate at the focal point. How cool would it be to hang a crucible, and melt bronze?
  • by thechemic ( 1329333 ) on Thursday August 26, 2010 @09:06AM (#33380040)
    Place 100's or 1000's of tiny mirrors all over it. Mount it on a cellestial tracking device pointed at the sun. Install a small boiler and use it to produce steam and turn a small turbine. Or, use it to burn insects out of the air!
  • Solar concentrator (Score:4, Interesting)

    by inode_buddha ( 576844 ) on Thursday August 26, 2010 @09:06AM (#33380046) Journal
    I've seen a few people make solar concentrators out of them, for thermal energy. Remember that sunlight is good for about 1 kiloWatt per square meter. The best way is to get 1-inch hex-shaped glass mirror - a whole shitload of them. Glue them onto the dish with epoxy until as much surface as possible is covered with them. You will get a few thousand degrees Fahrenheit temps at the focal point. You can use this to generate steam by putting a water block at the focal point - save on your heat bill, or make some electricity. For instance, by using an ordinary air-powered die grinder and run it on the steam instead. You can do a lot with 20 thousand RPM's that way.
  • by AbbeyRoad ( 198852 ) <p@2038bug.com> on Thursday August 26, 2010 @09:11AM (#33380090)

    Whatever you do, don't make any broadcasts to alien vessels.
    Also, any signals you receive from the alien's should not be made public,
    or else YOU and your satelite dish will dissapear curtesy of secret UFO coverup agencies etc.

    Eat this message.

    -paul

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 26, 2010 @09:12AM (#33380094)

    There are many signals you can receive from space and 10ft is perfect for that.
    With some equipment (preamplifier, receiver that can do 2.3GHz) you can receive signals from interplanetary sondes and classified satellites.
    It's completely new world and if you enjoyed shortwave radio, you will love this.
    For list of signals you can receive check http://www.uhf-satcom.com/ - 10ft will do L-band, S-band, C-band and X-band with correct feed.

  • by SeNtM ( 965176 ) on Thursday August 26, 2010 @09:15AM (#33380128) Homepage
    Or, using the magnetron, get different varieties of bird cooked fresh before they even hit the ground.
  • Sound Mirror (Score:4, Interesting)

    by BeardedChimp ( 1416531 ) on Thursday August 26, 2010 @09:22AM (#33380198)
    I remember on a trip to jodrell bank playing around with a sound mirror [andrewgrantham.co.uk] where two dishes were placed pretty far apart. Due to the dishes focusing the sound where you stood, it was possible for someone to whisper into the other dish many meters away and for you to hear it.

    One of the astronomers there told me that while calibrating the main 78m dish he started hearing childrens voices. They had coincidently pointed the dish at a local school and were able to hear everything said.

    So may I suggest using the dish for a bit of covert surveillance of neighbours.
  • Audio Eavesdropping (Score:5, Interesting)

    by mbone ( 558574 ) on Thursday August 26, 2010 @09:31AM (#33380294)

    A large radio telescope makes a very good audio dish (the wavelengths are similar). If you can point it to the horizon, you might be able to hear conversations a mile or more off. Of course, it works both ways - they can hear you well too.

    I was once working on the receiver of a dish on the Potomac, while the dish was at "service" (i.e., pointed to the horizon, in this case over the water). When a sailboat would go through the beam, I could barely see it, but could hear the creak of the rigging and the slosh of the water, as if I was on it.

  • by pete's-brain ( 1712936 ) on Thursday August 26, 2010 @09:32AM (#33380312) Homepage
    i have a crazy texan cousin-in-law that ran up against the same dilemma the christmas that they purchased a dish network rig. the ol ~10' dish's newfound uselessness was accompanied by a freak snow storm that dumped 1.5 foot of snow.

    apparently every farmer in texas has an old snowmobile somewhere in their possession. an old tractor seat (with improvised belt) got bolted to the inside of the dish and someone came up w/ 30' of rope for towing.

    we never were able to flip it over, but airborne? yes.

    ---
    petes-brain.com [petes-brain.com] - it must be a scary place in there...
  • by LWATCDR ( 28044 ) on Thursday August 26, 2010 @09:35AM (#33380346) Homepage Journal

    Works great if you also happen to have a Silo on the property.
    You could also use it for a really long wifi shot.
    If you are a HAM you could use it for EME shoots.
    Or you could use it for for home radio astronomy.
    And there does seem to be a good number of free channels you can get but they are a little odd.

  • by Bert64 ( 520050 ) <bert AT slashdot DOT firenzee DOT com> on Thursday August 26, 2010 @09:39AM (#33380396) Homepage

    Also try dishpointer.com, you use google maps to locate your property and it shows your lat/long and the elevation required for the sat, it also works out how high obstacles can be at a given distance.

  • by i_ate_god ( 899684 ) on Thursday August 26, 2010 @09:58AM (#33380674)

    Since governments don't actually acknowledge number stations, what would be the harm of starting your own?

  • Re:Astronomy? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Moryath ( 553296 ) on Thursday August 26, 2010 @09:58AM (#33380684)

    I think you're overstating the case.

    First, the focal point isn't so much a "point" as a reasonably sized zone.
    Second, the tinfoil itself isn't going to sit precisely flat and perfect; you're going to double or triple the size of the zone, easily.
    Third, you're going to get some loss to wrinkling.
    Fourth, you'll lose a good amount of energy to whatever shadow your cooking object casts.

    A highly wet object (brined/marinated meat) is going to cook for quite a bit in that spot without "bursting into flames."

    What you'll get is going to look a lot like this [wikipedia.org]. Given that one is actually mirrored and is maybe 5-6ft diameter, back-of-the-napkin math says a 10-ft aluminum foil slapdash job should be in the right ballpark.

  • Idea (Score:2, Interesting)

    by ilsaloving ( 1534307 ) on Thursday August 26, 2010 @09:59AM (#33380696)

    Worlds biggest stir-fry?

  • Re:Moon bounce (Score:5, Interesting)

    by dnahelicase ( 1594971 ) on Thursday August 26, 2010 @10:09AM (#33380820)

    Moon bounce is the pretty cool. I'm not an expert either, but I am a HAM and have spent quite a few nights outside with friends playing around with a large (handmade) dish. Sure, moon bounce isn't real popular, but there is something very satisfying about being able to bounce a signal off the moon onto some far reaching part of the earth.

    I don't have a powerful enough radio to do it very well, but we could still listen to other people quite well and every once in a while could make contact. Of course, we weren't using a nice manufactured dish like that, but had constructed one out of PVC pipe and wire mesh. I bet a real dish would do a lot better than what we constructed.

  • by kilodelta ( 843627 ) on Thursday August 26, 2010 @10:27AM (#33380990) Homepage
    You could also mount the correct transceiver block and do EME. That would be kind of cool! You need an amateur radio license, not hard to get these days as the code requirement went away many years ago.
  • Re:Astronomy? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by jwkfs ( 1260442 ) on Thursday August 26, 2010 @10:44AM (#33381170)

    If you're actually interested in building something like this, check out http://www.cockeyed.com/incredible/solardish/dish01.shtml [cockeyed.com] which documents the process he went through to build the "light sharpener." For spoilers of it setting things on fire skip to the last page.

  • by thechemic ( 1329333 ) on Thursday August 26, 2010 @11:50AM (#33381922)
    Actually, with a microphone mounted in the center this could be an extremely sensitive listening device. They use 10inch dishes with a mic to get vocals from football players as they grunt on the field. Imagine the power with your 10 FOOT dish! You may hear grunting at your neighbors house... but I doubt they'd be playing football.

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