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Ask Slashdot: Best Training To Rekindle a Long Tech Career? 162

Posted by timothy
from the choose-his-own-adventure dept.
New submitter SouthSeaDragon writes "I'm a computer professional who has performed most of the functions that could be expected over a 39 year career, including hardware maintenance and repair, sitting on a 800 support line, developing a help desk application from the ground up (terminal-based), writing a software manual, plus developing and teaching software courses. In recent years, I've worked for computer software vendors doing pre-sales support generally for infrastructure products including applications, app servers, integration with Java based messaging and ESB product and most recently a Business Rules product. I was laid off recently due to a restructuring and am now trying to figure out the next phase. With the WIA displaced worker grants now available I am attempting to figure out what training would be good to pursue. I am hearing that 'the Cloud' is the next big thing, but I'm also looking into increasing my development skills with a current language. I wonder what the readers might suggest for new directions."
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Ask Slashdot: Best Training To Rekindle a Long Tech Career?

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  • Direction (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 10, 2012 @02:19PM (#40276263)

    I wouldn't recommend learning stuff with the hope of finding a job that uses it. I feel like you should spend some time, look around at various tech projects and languages and applications, etc etc. Find a job you want like "I'd like to work for Amazon S3, it seems really interesting." or something and then figure out what you need to do to get it, training or otherwise. I feel like that would be more fulfilling and have a better chance of success.

  • Be realistic (Score:5, Insightful)

    by arth1 (260657) on Sunday June 10, 2012 @02:20PM (#40276277) Homepage Journal

    If you have a 39 year old career, that means you are likely just a few years from retirement.
    A company that hires you will likely hire you for skills you have experience with - not any new skills you have no experience with. Those jobs will, unfortunately, go to young grads.
    My recommendation is to take one of the skills you have plenty of experience with and get a formal training in it. Even if it bores you, it will likely boost your employment probabilities more than anything new and interesting like the cloud. Because it is new, companies will be looking for young people who (a) are cheap, and (b) hopefully will stay after gaining experience, so the company can take advantage of that experience down the road.

    Sorry if this wasn't what you wanted to hear - I wish things were different, but we old timers aren't all that attractive for things we don't have experience with.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 10, 2012 @02:24PM (#40276305)

    thats pretty damn obnoxious of you, douchebag.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 10, 2012 @02:29PM (#40276349)

    From what I've been reading in the business press over the last couple of years, when folks lose their jobs in their 50s or later, they're screwed for the rest of their life. More than likely, he'll never work again as a professional or in any white collar job.

    That is also a reason why disability claims with Social Security have been sky rocketing these last couple of years - older people unable to work so they go for early retirement or disability if they are too young.

    It's a crying shame, too.

  • Re:Be realistic (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Hatta (162192) on Sunday June 10, 2012 @02:31PM (#40276367) Journal

    Embezzle as much as you can from your current employer. You'll end up in a minimum security federal prison. You get three hots and a cot, plus free health care. There's a gym and a library. It's probably better than you'll get in your retirement. Our country is more willing to spend money on its criminals than its elders, might as well take advantage of that.

  • by arth1 (260657) on Sunday June 10, 2012 @02:42PM (#40276475) Homepage Journal

    From what I've been reading in the business press over the last couple of years, when folks lose their jobs in their 50s or later, they're screwed for the rest of their life. More than likely, he'll never work again as a professional or in any white collar job.

    There are exceptions, but those are for people with very specific skill sets that younger people are unlikely to have, like Cobol, Fortran, CICS, Unicos, VMS...

  • by ZeroPly (881915) on Sunday June 10, 2012 @02:42PM (#40276487)
    If you have been steadily going up the pay scale during your career, you might have to take a significant pay cut - maybe 40% or more, to get another job. As I'm sure you've heard often enough, IT is not kind to those over 50. And nowadays 45 is the new 50. If you have specific niche skills, those are what you should try to market. There is still a considerable amount of legacy hardware and software out there, and it would be better to look there, and hopefully replace someone who is retiring, than live a pipe dream of "reinventing" yourself as a Java/Android/HTML5/Node.js/Hadoop expert.

    I do not believe training will help much at this point in your career. Your age will work against you much more than any shiny new certification will work for you. All the twenty somethings are all over the hot new fads. But they will probably not be applying for jobs that involve AS/400 control language, or VAX/VMS.
  • Re:Be realistic (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 10, 2012 @02:47PM (#40276525)

    Those elders deserve worse then prison - have you seen what they've done to this country?

    QFT. Greedy bastards sold us down the river with their entitlement programs. "Sure, let's setup these pyramid schemes and go into insane levels of debt. Our children & grandchildren wont mind living in poverty so we can live beyond our means!"

    We should just refuse to pay/bailout their insanity. We didn't make this mess.

  • by vlm (69642) on Sunday June 10, 2012 @02:57PM (#40276603)

    A lot of companies are complaining that they just can't find good tech folks ...

    ... for $10/hr no benefits, or mandatory 80 hour per week overtime, or intern unpaid jobs, or "pay you in shares" startups, or ridiculously over specified.

    Pay in peanuts, you get monkeys.

    I see no evidence of an actual shortage.

    I know its discouraging, but just trying to keep it real. Its not 1999 all over again. Or even 2004.

  • by kenh (9056) on Sunday June 10, 2012 @02:58PM (#40276615) Homepage Journal

    It is still used by many major corporations, and many not-so-major ones.

    COBOL, like the Mainframe, has had almost as many funerals as it has birthdays...

  • by DoofusOfDeath (636671) on Sunday June 10, 2012 @03:12PM (#40276691)

    I was just kicking out one idea, because we don't know a ton about his competence or other qualifications.

    I figured that as a community, we were collectively trying to throw a lot of spaghetti at the wall.

  • by Ol Olsoc (1175323) on Sunday June 10, 2012 @03:23PM (#40276785)

    Only in a law of averages. My observations of old people are they either give up intentionally, the brain freezes up, and they're hopeless, or they keep using the brain and they're more focused than a 20-something. It seems much like muscle mass and health in general as people age.

    That's pretty much the ultimate ""your own fault" approach. There is a fairly widespread subset of th epopulation that thinks that any ailment is the sick person's fault.

    Perhaps the giving up happens when the person's brain isn't working as well as it used to. Sometimes stuff like age happens, and despite our best efforts, no one get out of here alive.

    Though it is appealing to think that as long as I do Sudoku, I'll never die or become senile........naahhh, I hate frickin' Sudoku!

  • by houstonbofh (602064) on Sunday June 10, 2012 @03:23PM (#40276799)
    I too no longer have the energy for 12 hours days. However, I generally finish projects a lot faster than younger people on my team. Almost like experience counts for something...
  • Re:Be realistic (Score:5, Insightful)

    by wmelnick (411371) on Sunday June 10, 2012 @03:31PM (#40276889)
    Depends on what you call "Elder". Those in their 60s and 70s yes. Those of us in our 40s and slighty older than us are even more screwed than you youngsters. We have paid in all our lives (25+ years) the same as those in their 70s and 80s who have gotten everything but when we get to retirement age in 15-20 years there will be nothing left for us and everything we paid in will have been sucked dry.
  • Re:Be realistic (Score:5, Insightful)

    by couchslug (175151) on Sunday June 10, 2012 @03:31PM (#40276895)

    That's HIGHLY Insightful.

    When I was training WIA students who were highly "experienced" at being (repeatedly) unemployed due to the economy I learned a lot from them.

    Take the LONGEST most useful course you can AND see if the school will call multiple courses some "hyphenated" SINGLE course for you. If your Unemployment will last through this, ensure your expressed preferences via the unemployment office "protect" you against being coerced to take jobs you don't really WANT. A great way is to pick a distance from home which excludes potential employers.

    Milk it, get the papers, and use the time. You might even channel schooling into obtaining a teaching gig. Schools KNOW students take courses they could probably teach. They get paid so they are fine with that.

    Make faculty friends! It's a club and it's a club where being an Old Fucker is a sign of stability! (I'm an Old Fucker, BTW.) Use that human networking kung-fu young noobs think they don't need because they are Unique Snowflakes. You know TEAM behaviours.

    We work to serve our elite masters who milk us like cattle, so use every opportunity the system gives you. THEY DO. It's every man for himself.

  • by Cryacin (657549) on Sunday June 10, 2012 @08:36PM (#40278717)
    Damn straight.

    I'm forever grateful for the "Old fart" (as you so endearingly put it) that hammered exactly those topics, plus introduced the wonders of Djikstra et al into my coding.

    And like he used to say. Youth and enthusiasm are always trumped by Age and Treachery!

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