Ask Slashdot: What's Your Beef With Windows Phone? 1027
First time accepted submitter occasional_dabbler writes "Reviews by 'commentators' such as this one predict certain doom for both Nokia and Microsoft on the basis of the OS being a failure, yet whenever the Lumia handsets are reviewed in the mainstream press they are often highly praised. Windows phone is an immature OS, certainly, but it does pretty much everything you need in a smartphone, is getting better with each update and it is beautiful. I have a Lumia 800, and now I'm used to how it and the WP OS works I find it a painful process to go back to an Android or iPhone for some obscure app not yet supported on WP. WP gave me the same feeling I got when I bought my first iBook, fired up OS X 10.1 and realized I had just been shifted up a decade. So why so serious? What do Slashdotters who have really tried WP think of it?"
uhhh... (Score:5, Insightful)
All those f*ckin' tiles drive me nuts! It's like a kindergardener's art project!
problem with windows phone (Score:0, Insightful)
it's a desktop everywhere you don't need one.
It's from Microsoft and this is Slashdot... (Score:4, Insightful)
So there is irrational rabid hate for it.
Microsoft destroyed linux on cellphones (Score:5, Insightful)
When Nokia effectively became a Microsoft subsidiary, they killed off all their linux-based cell phones. If that's not enough to enrage an average slashdotter, I don't know what is.
It's about as bad as when automotive bought up streetcar lines to destroy them and replace them with buses.
I don't have a beef with one (Score:5, Insightful)
Compatibility (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:It's from Microsoft and this is Slashdot... (Score:5, Insightful)
Slashdot might have an obsession over N900 linux brickphones and 20-year-old Microsoft crimes, but Windows Phone is a total failure on the consumer level. People would rather buy Motorola Droids even though the adverts feature ninjas and giant robots.
My theory is the Windows brand is heavily associated with your shitty XP work computer, and nobody wants that crap in their pocket.
mainstream press; highly praised (Score:5, Insightful)
So were the junky 4-color IBM PCs that went "beep" instead of producing real music. And the godawful Windows 3.1 of the 90s. Mainstream press opinions mean little to me (especially since they are often bribed to give glowing reviews).
It's all about the apps (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't care what the OS is but I do care what apps are available. Microsoft is in the unusual position of having a hard time attracting developers to their platform.
As an occasional mobile developer, I have limited resources and develop for where the people are. If I want an audience willing to pay, I would target iOS (never have so far). If I want a broad audience, Android. There really isn't anything compelling about Windows Phone to me.
Microsoft has billions in the bank and I think they could turn this around if they worked out a deal with the carriers to give customers a $10 credit each month for the app store. They could easily afford it because there just aren't that many Windows Phones out there. If those few owners became big spenders though, that could trigger more development on the platform which in turn might attract more users.
I haven't used any apple or microsoft phones... (Score:4, Insightful)
just because of past experience with both on other platforms.
I want a device that I own and can control what goes on it, what it does, and when it updates. Apple all but openly admits it is a walled-garden, so that's out. Microsoft doesn't control the software available on it's OS' as much, but it still flexes it's muscles too much w.r.t. the standards it uses.
Android isn't perfect, it isn't the best. But if I get a phone that runs android I know I have some measure of control of my device as a consumer. I have no such promises from Apple or Microsoft.
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Re:It's from Microsoft and this is Slashdot... (Score:5, Insightful)
I think you are right about this. With consumers, Windows as a brand has negative value. They would have been better off calling it an X-Phone. I know at one point Zune Phone was considered, but they were at least smart enough to avoid that. OTOH, they call their ARM Table OS "Win RT", so they are still clueless when it comes to marketing.
Re:It's from Microsoft and this is Slashdot... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Rubbish compared to.... (Score:5, Insightful)
favorite company. interesting way to put it.
do I like microsoft? not that much.
do I like apple. not very much at all!
do I like google? to be honest, not that much at all, and less and less as time marches on.
do I like any of the carriers? certainly not!
I'm just not that enthused about the whole phone thing, to be honest. its not fun, it can be a HUGE time waster (just configuring it to remove the crap that most ship with, getting bugs worked out, 'managing' it, etc.) and its not even something I can really own, anyway (not the radio code, not a lot of things in phones). its STILL not like a pc in that I can own or understand or control every part.
so, color me *bored* about the whole phone thing. its a huge cost (monthly in money and in time) and I'm just not all that into this gadget direction. I know a lot of people are, but for this gadget freak (and believe me, I have a ton of gear of various kinds) phones just don't do anything for me. there's so much to NOT like about the whole thing.
all I ask is that it be able to dial out, accept incoming calls, keep the call error-free during the call time and have reasonable battery life. beyond that, I really don't need a portable computer 'on me' at every waking moment. I just don't.
Re:They are freetarded (Score:2, Insightful)
I highly doubt the freetards are why everyone buys Android and iPhone. They make up a tiny fraction of cell phone users.
No, my dear troll, the real answer is that no one wants to carry Windows about with them.
Windows isn't for hipsters. Windows isn't for nerds. Windows isn't for grandma.
Windows is for losers, in all of it's incarnations.
That's why Windows has such soft sales figures.
Re:Compatibility (Score:5, Insightful)
Not compatible with iTunes App Store content.
Beetween You/Apple/Microsoft, I would hardly blame Microsoft for you being locked in to some ITunes crap.
Re:It's from Microsoft and this is Slashdot... (Score:5, Insightful)
Probably some, but not all. The premise of the post is cloying. Not all of the reviews have been positive at all. The OS has any number of deficiencies, as noted by a number of professional (rather than blogging) reviewers:
1) Not very well-designed user interface; often primitive when compared to iOS and Android Honeycomb, even BBOS
2) Highly unevolved app market place; much perceived incompatibility with applications on mobile websites
3) Potentially shorter battery life
4) Fewer free apps
5) Uses Bing rather than Google (or Apple) services; Bing is seen as inferior, right or wrong (I'm neutral)
Some of it's irrational perception, some of it's that Microsoft responded to iOS and Android very slowly; it's taken a seeming lifetime (for the computerbiz) for them to even bring them to market. Worse, they're also seen tied to Nokia's phones, which while very nice phones, aren't popular in the smartphone arena because of Nokia's steadfast support of dying OS platforms. So the post itself isn't very astute and draws a conclusion that trolls responses, IMHO.
Re:uhhh... (Score:0, Insightful)
tiles...icons...whats the difference?
Re:It's from Microsoft and this is Slashdot... (Score:5, Insightful)
The rabies seems to have spread to the entire rest of the planet, too. 98 percent of smartphone buyers seem to "irrationally" not want Windows Phone phones whether they're slashdotters or not and despite the glowing reviews and spontaneous euphoria it induces in blog post commenters.
I'm a big slashdot fan, but it's not that influential.
if it aint broke, why switch? (Score:4, Insightful)
i've had an iphone since 2009
i have thousands of apps for it, even though i don't use them all
there are some really crazy apps for iOS that do things no one imagined a few years ago
iOS is well past cool upgrades and is now on the improving usability every year cycle
Windows Phone is way behind
a lot less app support
its not cheaper
Why switch? what is it going to do better than iOS?
Re:poor (Score:5, Insightful)
Having Nokia effectively surrender their crown jewels to Microsoft by a former Microsoft exec doesn't exactly do any favours to image of Nokia as a strong and vibrant company. Perception is more than half the battle to marketing, and marketing is a huge component to smart phones (very few people actually NEED one).
That's just from outside the fishbowl looking in. Also telegraphing your moves before you have a plan in place is such a dumb idea. To paraphrase Steve Jobs, Nokia should have milked all their 'legacy' technologies dry while working on the 'next great thing (whether it was with Microsoft or not).' Instead they drove a heart through their products publicly and called it a day.
Re:It's from Microsoft and this is Slashdot... (Score:5, Insightful)
Having been around /. for a very long time, now, it seems like there's definite opportunity to educate.
For a while now, Microsoft has been trying to "clean up" its image, but for anyone who's been around here for any amount of time will remember why they've needed to in the first place. History isn't a cheery place, and it makes no sense to try to look at it with rose tinted glasses. Steve Ballmer is still around, Gates still has influence, and the company hasn't really changed much. The software it has produced has increased in quality over time, but there are economic reasons for that.
The distaste for Microsoft is most definitely rational.
Re:uhhh... (Score:5, Insightful)
I agree that the tiles are more confusing than helping. But the Metro design is actual a huge improvement from the Apple-lookalike Auro crap from Vista and the cartoonish joke thing from XP. So much so, that I always pick Windows Classic when I theme a Windows box. I'd much rather look at a broken Metacity than those. At least Metro looks streamlined and without dumb attempts at round borders and gradients.
That being said, it is hardly used to its full potential by making its content so ridiculous.
Re:uhhh... (Score:3, Insightful)
I think the tiles are great and extremely easy to navigate (especially quickly). The live tiles in particular give me information w/o the need to even startup the app. As the Geico lizard said "click-boom-bam" and I'm done using my phone and on to something else. For the record, I'm using WP7.5 Mango on a 4 year old HTC HD2 it wasn't designed for and can get things done a lot faster on that phone than most of my friends can on their iPhone 4S (not to mention the pictures look a hell of a lot better). The only thing missing has been major app support, which is changing daily and should only increase as more developers start producing metro apps going forward.
Re:mainstream press; highly praised (Score:5, Insightful)
>>>At the tim of the 4 colour PCs the Mac was just a dream, and when the Mac did arive it was monochome with no hard-drive.
>>>
Indeed. Good thing we had 16-color Apple IIs, music-capable C64s, or 128-color Atari 800s to buy instead of bassbackwards PCs. And later (in 1985) the multimedia, preemptive-tasking, video-capable Amiga. We were not forced to buy shitty IBM PCs or monochrome Macs.
Hate to say this, but... (Score:5, Insightful)
I'll probably get modded down for this, but the same could be said for Linux, particularly on the desktop. Yet Slashdotters don't hate Linux in spite of all the half-finished applications and constant promises that fixes to long standing bugs are "just around the corner," do they?
Seems a bit hypocritical to complain about about this same issue when it comes to a Microsoft product.
why slashdotters don't like WP7 (Score:5, Insightful)
Like the typical left-brained slashdotter, I'm a technologist who values my "geek cred".
And throughout WP7's life (especially early, but still today) you need to defy logic and judgement and rational thinking just a little too much in order to buy a WinPhone. You needed to pretend that missing features weren't important. You needed to suffer lies and contempt regarding updates. You had to ignore all the productivity and fun and relevance that other smartphone owners were enjoying. You had to tolerate a weak ecosystem. You had to apologize for Microsoft's mis-steps.
That's just too much.
Re:It's from Microsoft and this is Slashdot... (Score:5, Insightful)
When I bought my first smartphone, I did it because it was a phone that had a file system. you could upload native programs to it for free, it also ran j2me programs, but the main thing I got it and not a plain j2me candybar which had appeared the same year was the native programs - along with native programs it had multitasking, real multitasking. it was amazing, it was an internet connected PERSONAL COMPUTER IN YOUR POCKET, it was fucking amazing, could hang on chats 24/7(with a 100mbyte dataplan which was also fucking amazing since then it was the first time you could have mobile data which wasn't billed by the minute). it was almost a decade ago - and now when someone asks me about plenty of things if they'd be feasible for a port to windows phone I have to answer no. it's fucking ridiculous since the one thing that wasn't wrong with the previous windows mobiles was how open they were for coding.
oh and about calling it a x-phone, or zune-phone or whatfuckingever.. they sort of tried it with kin already. the real problem for us hc smartphone geeks is that you can't for example code a phone answering machine into it, as far as being "smart" it's exactly as smart as those j2me candybars we've had for a decade. MS went more Apple than Apple with windows phone - that's what's fucking wrong with it. partially it's because they whipped it up together in a hurry(just think about it, the work needed to produce windows phone is like 1/20th of the work that was done for android 2.0, they even just lifted metro straight from zune, even if their pr department by now has totally forgotten that zune even existed while uploading .xap's with Zune for windows to their phones, they didn't need to think any of the ui elements to scale to different dpi's and resolutions, they didn't need to write api's for exposing components..), partially because they just thought that being dicks to 3rd party devs who wish to extend it's smart_phoning_ capabilities is the right thing to do(no need to worry so much about malware when the programs are castrated so much that you just can't do anything "malwarey" even if you wanted on purpose).
(and no, it currently doesn't have real multitasking, the bg tasks etc don't count due to various limitations as full multitasking - if you'll ask what you can't do with it then I'll answer you this: go read the docs and fuck you, shill).
Re:uhhh... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:uhhh... (Score:3, Insightful)
white space blocks in python
I completely ignored everything you said after that, because whitespace blocks in python are the worst design 'feature' I have ever encountered. Yes, the code is readable, but so is C, and if you can't be bothered to run indent -kr I'm not going to take your complaints seriously. The result is a horrible mess that can have subtle breaks because of interspersing of '^I' and ' ', and if you're unfortunate enough to use outlook you can't paste any code into emails.
I should not have to worry, when working with colleagues, about whether my desire for 2-space tabs vs. 4-space tabs will cause an issue. I should not have to worry about whether using spaces or tabs itself is an issue.
And the response to the above is obviously "Use an IDE that handles it for you." I know this, I understand it. But if I'm using an IDE to do that already, why doesn't my IDE handle automatic indentation for me, leaving me with a sane blocking mechanism?
Are you serious? (Score:4, Insightful)
You sound like a classic apologist. The summary of this article already happily states that Windows 7.5 is still a immature OS... version 7.5
You say "it takes a little bit of time to learn". Apologists speak for "it is unintuitive as hell but finally after hours of trying, you managed to get it to turn on".
The entire problem with the MS phones is that the fanboys are trying to win the rest over with the same bullshit they have been trying for a dozen or more versions of MS attempts at a mobile OS. If the bullshit hasn't changed a bit, why should we believe the product has?
Lets review, Windows 7.5, the only mobile OS to be single core only. The only mobile OS to be restricted to a single resolution. The list goes on and on. The only people who like it are MS fanboys, reviews are not positive, at best they are "not as bad as expected". The fact is that MS has been producing phones that cost a premium but just can't compete. You can argue whether quad cores are needed or not but charging the same price for a single core is just not on. iPhone does retina displays, MS stays way way way behind in the pixel race.
It ain't cutting edge and it ain't cheap. So why buy it? Because it is MS? As others have said, MS is a negative brand, people AVOID MS if they can because they hate the moments they can't. There are some that are 100% MS and they like it because it stops them having to learn anything else. But the sales are to low to conclude it is just geek prejudice against MS. The sales figures are so low the opposite might well be true, only those with a prejudice against anything NOT MS are buying it.
Re:It's from Microsoft and this is Slashdot... (Score:5, Insightful)
30+ years of experience with Microsoft underlies that "hatred" that you so cavalierly dismiss as "irrational."
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me for decades and I must be a certified Microsoft specialist.
I actually had someone say to me yesterday "Talk with $x. He's a Microsoft Certified Professional Licensing Expert. He can answer all your licensing questions."
Really. Do you think your licensing system might be a tad bit fucked if you require a certification process to understand it?
Re:It's from Microsoft and this is Slashdot... (Score:4, Insightful)
Why would I put in that investment when I can't see any more benefit over the Android phone I already use, which I don't have to put an investment into?
Further, the software ecosystem of WP7 is extremely poor compared to Android and iOS.
Re:uhhh... (Score:3, Insightful)
Android, IMO, suffers from usability problems caused from cramming too many small buttons on the screen.
Re:uhhh... (Score:4, Insightful)
You really don't want a little-used niche product in the tech world, or you'll be left out on future developments.
So... that'd mean Windows on the desktop, amirite?
Re:It's from Microsoft and this is Slashdot... (Score:5, Insightful)
9) the phone is riddles with licence agreement and dialogs that want you to give away all your data.
So Points 1-8 rule out Apple and Microsoft, and Point 9 here rules out pretty much every service Google offers. Sounds like you just hate the tech landscape in general.
Re:Windows Mobile Ruined It For Me (Score:4, Insightful)
That's true...
Microsoft basically took everything that was good about Windows Mobile and removed it... Windows Phone 7 is MASSIVELY crippled compared to its predecessor, all it has to offer is a shiny UI.
Re:poor (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't get the impression that the majority of people really care about MS's abusive behaviour or anything like that (even if they should).
You underestimate the influence of mavens. [wikipedia.org] The average user is not going to drop dollars on a phone or phone plan if their favourite tech expert doesn't like it.
The notable exceptions here would be Windows and iOS, but for two very different reasons. People use Windows because everybody else uses Windows, and it would be just too inconvenient to change. It's a form of lock-in. People use iOS thanks to a combination of effective marketing and design.
Windows phone has little to no lock-in leverage, and MS and its partners have done nothing to pull millions of happy iphonesters away from Apple. Much like Linux on the desktop, it's not good enough for WPn to be as good as iOS, they have to be compellingly better--and convince people of this--to win mindshare at this point. In a karmic twist, MS now finds itself at both ends of this problem.
So with the average user feeling somewhat indifferent about Windows Phone, and their techy friends recommending iphones and android, MS stands without a market until they do something drastic and carve out their own, and it's been decades since they've done anything really significant in that vein.
Re:Finish it already. (Score:5, Insightful)
But Windows Phone has no excuse for being late to the party.
WinCE displaced PalmOS, to the extent that most of the Palm-brand phones had WinCE on them. Microsoft is NOT new to the smartphone market--they were there when it got started, before we were even sure we were going to call them smartphones.
Microsoft is not like Apple or Google; both of whom brought phone OSes to market when they had never produced a phone OS before. Apple had experience with Newton, ages ago, but all Google had was the ability to look for things.
That's part of why we're not cutting Microsoft any slack.
The other part is, all the people who said it was unacceptable that the iPhone didn't do X when version 1 or 2 were on the market means that Microsoft should ALREADY KNOW the system MUST do X. They didn't need to release "what they've got so far" to find out what customers really want, they can see what the market has already done.
And Microsoft is huge and has gobs of money; why SHOULD we cut them any slack? This isn't the clever little Silicon Valley start-up upstart taking on the Man. This is the Man.
Re:It's from Microsoft and this is Slashdot... (Score:5, Insightful)
The rabies seems to have spread to the entire rest of the planet, too. 98 percent of smartphone buyers seem to "irrationally" not want Windows Phone phones whether they're slashdotters or not and despite the glowing reviews and spontaneous euphoria it induces in blog post commenters.
I believe this is mainly due to the entrenched market of Apple/Google OS phones. They were here first, there are more apps for them, their methodology and UI is ingrained in the minds of the 98% of smartphone buyers, who by now are likely on their 2nd or possibly even 3rd smartphone. People are used to them, they like them fine, they've integrated the way they work into their lives.
I think the newest iteration of the Windows Phone OS is great - the Zune, despite its flaws, had an excellent and intuitive interface and WP7 draws on that. I think it could've been a real competitor if it hadn't come out 2 years too late to make a splash. The old iteration of Windows Phone OS was absolutely horrible and tried to bring a desktop experience to the phone, which clearly isn't needed. The new version is fantastic by comparison, particularly for the non-technical user - it's easy to use, has a clean and elegant UI, and works smoothly and efficiently. Reputation and lack of saturation are all that's keeping the casual user market small - it's also hurting their app market which just drives it down further.
I think that WP7 might not be for most of the /. crowd, since it's more about broadened functionality than form or ease of use for many of us - we're all used to complex and responsive interfaces that maximize data/options while minimizing "helper" functions. Hence the trend towards Android devices. Also Micro$oft Raargh Smash.
Apple strikes more of a balance, with lots of options but more streamlined and rigidly controlled user experience. Anyone who loves their iPhone but doesn't really buy all that many apps and thinks that it's sometimes "too complicated", should probably look into a Windows phone.
Right now I think all that's holding MS back is their past, the OS is really great but they're late to the party and have a bad rep. I would consider Windows Phone if it had wider app support, but at this stage in the game that isn't very likely. I don't, however, ever want or need Metro on my desktop - prepare for the next flop in Win 8, MS.
Re:uhhh... (Score:4, Insightful)
Single menu is the perfect example here. It is 100% pure form over function.
Quite the opposite, actually; it's not as good-looking as having a menubar in each window, but every UI study I've seen shows it's faster to operate than one-per-window. Yes, it's slightly further away, but that's completely offset by the fact that it's a) in a fixed position, so you don't need to find it to know where to move; and b) it's at a screen edge, so you can simply move the mouse up and left without worrying about overshooting it rather than having to target a specific area (and, apropos of another ongoing topic, you can even open the leftmost menu blind).
It also saves screen real estate, which is a functional matter for many people.
I personally think it's ugly enough that I stick with menu-per-window layouts myself, but I don't pretend that's anything other than an aesthetic and what-I'm-accustomed-to decision.
Re:Hate to say this, but... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:It's from Microsoft and this is Slashdot... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I love it (Score:4, Insightful)
Quoting you: "I view Windows Phone as sort of a middle ground between the totalitarian iPhone and the free-for-all Android" and you said "I'm forced to use Linux for my day job". These are not the words of an impartial observer as you pretend to be. As everybody knows, the first rule in the astroturfers rule book is "establish your credentials", then of course go on to try to damage your target.
Re:poor (Score:5, Insightful)
You underestimate the influence of mavens. [wikipedia.org] The average user is not going to drop dollars on a phone or phone plan if their favourite tech expert doesn't like it.
True, but the mavens are not motivated by hatred against Microsoft. They are motivated because:
1. iOS and Android have been proven to work.
2. iOS and Android have a large ecosphere of apps. And tech users. And non-tech users.
3. iOS this and Android that.
Apple, Samsung and HTC have repeatedly been on the top of "best phone" lists for years now. Nokia's Windows phone is not being ignored because it is worse or disliked, it is being ignored because no one has one in the first place to offer a recommendation. Under those circumstances it's not good enough to compete, one has to be better. And it's not significantly better.
Re:uhhh... (Score:5, Insightful)
In a single menu at top of screen, each menu column can be activated by a quick careless mouse/pointer move to the menu word, without the need to use fine motor control to slow the pointer to hit a vertically narrow menu word.
Firstly, while that's all it requires. That's not how it's actually used. Most people don't generally 'carelessly throw the mouse up' and slam it into the top of the screen, even if they know they can.
Secondly, screens can get pretty big, and people use multiple montiros. I'm typing right now into a textbox that is some 50" away from the upper left corner of my main monitor. What might make some sense on a 13" laptop doesn't make the same amount of sense on a pair of 30" monitors.
Thirdly, your application of Fitts' law is only one way. What happens AFTER I select a menu item? Odds are I need to come back to where I was. In my case, that's another 50" trip onto my 2nd montor, and unlike the menu bar the target position for the cursor in this text box isn't slammed down against a screen edge artificially increasing its 'size'.
Re:uhhh... (Score:2, Insightful)
tiles...icons...whats the difference?
(Mod parent interesting - lots of people think this way)
If you are a beginning interface designer, that's the way it seems. Tiles may even seem better since they have more space and so let you represent the application better. A more experienced interface designer will realise that once you have tens or hundreds of applications screen size becomes precious and small regular icons are much better. The regularity of icons allows users to get used to standard actions and most efficiently use space. This is not even some new discovery, AOL made the same mistake as Microsoft [blogspot.com] years ago and people learned from that.
Good design is pretty difficult to do. Most of us will get it wrong and, if you look at early Android designs [dialaphone.co.uk] you can see how even a company with real user interface experties can end up with a very derivative design. However, most people can easily recognise designs which are better than others. Companies like Google are able to iterate towards good design. Microsoft is one of the few which shows real social failure and, as put best in this internal Microsoft video [dialaphone.co.uk] shows a real ability to make better things into worse things.
It takes a serious level of social ineptitude to give your major new product release the same colour as shit. Microsoft fails to learn from the Zune becuase the kind of people who go to work for them are the kind of people who just don't want to take humanity into account. The tile is a symptom of failure. The fonts in Windows phone, which are designed to look cool at first glance but are unusable long term, are the real heart of the matter. It all comes down to a total contempt for their own users and human beings in general.
Re:poor (Score:5, Insightful)
Nokia's Windows phone is not being ignored because it is worse or disliked
Having tried several W7 phones, I agree with Tomi Ahonen. It's not good enough and doesn't do enough.
9. From TFA:
"Reason 9 - the OS is deficient. The Windows Phone OS can seem exciting when first seen with its 'Tiles' but on short usage it reveals how limited and unfinished it is. The tech reviews after using Windows Phone (and Lumia) are quite consistent that Windows Phone is not yet ready for prime time. It may become so in the future, but its not yet nearly competitive with advanced OS platforms out there."
Android works for me. iOS works for many others, and Microsoft's phones bring nothing compelling to the table to make either switch.