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An anonymous reader writes "I have a cottage at the end of a long dirt road, no electricity nor internet, and recently some (insert expletive here) wads are using the area as a trash dump: countertops, sofas, metal scraps, tvs — all the stuff they don't want to pay to dump at the landfill. I can't block the road because it's a fire access. But I would really like to have a way to catch who is doing this. Are there any a) waterproof, b) self-contained, c) self-powered, and (ideally) d) inexpensive video-recording units out there? Are there any other creative ways to get the guys? I was thinking of something like a device that will cycle, so that the last week of video is recorded. It could take photos or video, and as long as it's small enough that I could camouflage it well, I suspect I'd be able to figure this out soon. And any idea of what my legal rights are to videotape or record?" Hunters have been doing this for years (with film, and now digital) to figure out prey patterns with cameras that are built for concealment; what else would you recommend?
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  • Use a Drone (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 09, 2012 @11:54AM (#41597211)

    You know you could ask the Govt if their drones are for rent...they have night vision, missiles and everything.

  • Deer cams (Score:5, Informative)

    by Lumpy (12016) on Tuesday October 09, 2012 @11:55AM (#41597217) Homepage

    Put up the IR deer cams. Hide them because they will steal them.

    • Re:Deer cams (Score:5, Informative)

      by Nethead (1563) <joe@nethead.com> on Tuesday October 09, 2012 @11:58AM (#41597275) Homepage Journal

      What I was going to say. trailmasters.com Did webpage work for them back in '97.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by axehind (518047)
      What this guy says. Use hunting/trail cameras. They attach to trees or other things and they only activate on movement. They can be stolen but most can be attached and locked nowadays.
    • Re:Deer cams (Score:4, Informative)

      by boristdog (133725) on Tuesday October 09, 2012 @12:00PM (#41597297)

      Yes. Deer/wildlife cameras are what I would recommend. You can get them for $59 - $200. They take pretty good pictures and a set of batteries lasts a couple months.

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      right. you could use something like this http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/887443-REG/Bushnell_119438_Nature_View_HD_Camera.html but you'll have to hide it well

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      "Put up the IR deer cams. Hide them because they will steal them."

      Deers steal cameras? Never would have thought.

    • Re:Deer cams (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Scutter (18425) on Tuesday October 09, 2012 @12:31PM (#41597665) Journal

      Put up the IR deer cams. Hide them because they will steal them.

      I've had tremendous success by putting them inside bird houses. No one steals birdhouses, or even thinks twice when they see one 15 feet up a tree.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      There is only one tiny problem that you might run into, and it should be ok if you stick a couple in trees... those deer cams usually have a red light on them, if people are looking they can be found. However, they'd have to look.

      Also, something to check for, in my state it's illegal to record other people on your property 'without consent of at least one party involved in the recording'. Consent is however assumed if signage is posted. (I can record at my door without a sign, because I'm recording myself a

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by jasper160 (2642717)
        The newer ones have dropped the light. Check Cabela's, Gander Mountain, or Sportsman's Warehouse. And just using the Google with: deer cameras cell phones, this popped up http://www.trailcampro.com/howtocatchathief.aspx [trailcampro.com]. No lights.
      • by yurtinus (1590157)
        The sign is in and of itself a deterrent. If people are dumping illegally, they'll find an easier spot. Of course, in an ideal world you'd be able to catch them and fine them for the cleanup instead of shifting the problem to a neighbor, but we live in a far from ideal world.
    • This. I'm on the board of a local recreation association, and we researched monitoring options for months for our recreation area, and in the end, we settled on the deer camera. Inexpensive, weather-resistant, long-lasting.

    • Re:Deer cams (Score:5, Insightful)

      by samkass (174571) on Tuesday October 09, 2012 @01:29PM (#41598313) Homepage Journal

      Or go the opposite route... buy a bunch of empty "surveillance camera" big white cases and install them prominently near a big "No Dumping" sign. Probably a lot cheaper.

  • Bushnell? (Score:5, Informative)

    by frostfreek (647009) on Tuesday October 09, 2012 @11:55AM (#41597225)

    Bushnell Trail Sentry 5MP Digital Camera

    Seems like it's packed with features.
    http://www.opticsplanet.com/bushnell-trail-sentry-5mp-trail-night-vision-camera-119305.html [opticsplanet.com]

  • by Gunnut1124 (961311) <{rowdy.vinson} {at} {gmail.com}> on Tuesday October 09, 2012 @11:56AM (#41597237)
    Don't reinvent the wheel, hunters have already done the hard part. Check around for concealed hunter camera gear. Already camouflaged, and able to take stills or video...
  • Get some kind of motion-activated wildlife cam, and put a big storage card in it. A good one should allow you to choose stills or video. Then just pull out the card and review at your leisure. These things are made to be used outdoors, so they're generally weatherproof, camouflaged, and battery-powered (I have one that runs on four C batteries for quite a long time).
  • Type "camera trap" into google and you'll find devices that do this (for photographing wildlife). The commercial ones are already camouflaged.

  • by rollingcalf (605357) on Tuesday October 09, 2012 @11:58AM (#41597273)

    It's possible that the more recent dumpers don't even know they're not supposed to dump there; after seeing junk already piled up some may assume that it's a legitimate dumping ground.

    A sign or two saying something like "PRIVATE PROPERTY NO DUMPING" might help, if you don't already have a sign like that which is being ignored.

    • A sign or two saying something like "PRIVATE PROPERTY NO DUMPING" might help, if you don't already have a sign like that which is being ignored.

      Where do you live that it's okay to do this:

      I have a cottage at the end of a long dirt road, no electricity nor internet, and recently some (insert expletive here) wads are using the area as a trash dump: countertops, sofas, metal scraps, tvs — all the stuff they don't want to pay to dump at the landfill.

      Even if it is a dirt road, it's not your property and if you don't have permission to be leaving shit all over the place then you don't do it. Where do you live that you can just legally drive around and say "this looks good, I don't see any signs" and dump shit to rust and rot and look terrible? Am I the only person that is appalled by that?

      I've lived in two states. I'm pretty sure you'd be fined and/or sued to high heaven if you were caught doing that on

      • by CanHasDIY (1672858) on Tuesday October 09, 2012 @12:17PM (#41597545) Homepage Journal

        Even if it is a dirt road, it's not your property and if you don't have permission to be leaving shit all over the place then you don't do it. Where do you live that you can just legally drive around and say "this looks good, I don't see any signs" and dump shit to rust and rot and look terrible? Am I the only person that is appalled by that?

        Nope; I grew up on such a dirt road, and cheap-ass idiots dumping shit because they don't want to pay $10 at the landfill were always the bane of my existence.

        Related anecdote: For about 8 months when I was a kid, my dad and I used to see the same damn people dumping bags of trash on our road every week (I assume city folk who refused to pay for trash service). One time, after they drove off, father proceeded to open one of the trash bags and rifle through it (eww, I know) until he found - drum roll please - a piece of mail with the name and address intact. Several mornings later, the people who dumped the trash awakened to find every last fucking piece of it we had collected over the months spread across their own front lawn. Needless to say, that particular group stopped dumping.

        • I have no mod points so I'll just clap instead. Nice one!

      • by Mephistophocles (930357) on Tuesday October 09, 2012 @01:19PM (#41598185) Homepage
        You'd think, as someone who lives out in the boondocks in the southern US, it's not as uncommon as you'd think. I had a similar problem for a couple of years on my DRIVEWAY (it was a very long gravel driveway that looked kind of like an access road, but still). After considering the 12-gauge approach for a while, I used some hunting cameras in strategic locations and was able to get license numbers, hi-res photos, everything - one call to the county Sheriff and the problem was taken care of - large fine plus a term in the county jail. I decided not to sue them since they probably didn't have anything to take anyway, but could have.
    • A sign or two saying something like "PRIVATE PROPERTY NO DUMPING" might help, if you don't already have a sign like that which is being ignored.

      This is Slashdot... logic of the "common sense" variety is forbidden on these threads!

      • A sign or two saying something like "PRIVATE PROPERTY NO DUMPING" might help, if you don't already have a sign like that which is being ignored.

        This is Slashdot... logic of the "common sense" variety is forbidden on these threads!

        Depending on the local laws and legal precedent, that may not be very logical or an example of common sense; for example, in certain particularly stupid areas of America, putting up a "No Trespassing" sign actually increases the property owner's liability, as they are acknowledging that people may trespass on their property and thus, take responsibility for said trespasser's safety (and yes, I am aware how boundlessly stupid that is).

        Here's an article [ehow.com] that does a much better job explaining the legal impl

    • by 0xdeadbeef (28836)

      It's possible that the more recent dumpers don't even know they're not supposed to dump there

      Yes, they may be retarded or have some sort of brain injury.

    • A sign or two saying something like "PRIVATE PROPERTY NO DUMPING" might help, if you don't already have a sign like that which is being ignored.

      Great idea - Except I'd add "VIOLATORS WILL BE PROSECUTED" and "THIS AREA UNDER VIDEO SURVEILLANCE"

      • by rwa2 (4391) *

        Have any of you people ever even been to the sticks? All the signs I've ever seen there say: "TRESPASSERS WILL BE SHOT; SURVIVORS WILL BE PROSECUTED"

        • All the signs I've ever seen there say: "TRESPASSERS WILL BE SHOT; SURVIVORS WILL BE PROSECUTED"

          And they're not kidding, either. Diddo with the "Danger - Landmines" signs...

      • by TCQuad (537187)

        Great idea - Except I'd add "VIOLATORS WILL BE PROSECUTED" and "THIS AREA UNDER VIDEO SURVEILLANCE"

        Also, "DANGER: LANDMINES".

    • by i.r.id10t (595143) on Tuesday October 09, 2012 @12:35PM (#41597721)

      Now it all started two Thanksgivings ago, was on - two years ago on Thanksgiving, when my friend and I went up to visit Alice at the restaurant, but Alice doesn't live in the restaurant, she lives in the church nearby the restaurant, in the bell-tower, with her husband Ray and Fasha the dog. And livin' in the bell tower like that, they got a lot of room downstairs where the pews used to be in. Havin' all that room, seein' as how they took out all the pews, they decided that they didn't have to take out their garbage for a long time.

      We got up there, we found all the garbage in there, and we decided it'd be a friendly gesture for us to take the garbage down to the city dump. So we took the half a ton of garbage, put it in the back of a red VW microbus, took shovels and rakes and implements of destruction and headed on toward the city dump.

      Well we got there and there was a big sign and a chain across across the dump saying, "Closed on Thanksgiving." And we had never heard of a dump closed on Thanksgiving before, and with tears in our eyes we drove off into the sunset looking for another place to put the garbage.

      We didn't find one. Until we came to a side road, and off the side of the side road there was another fifteen foot cliff and at the bottom of the cliff there was another pile of garbage. And we decided that one big pile is better than two little piles, and rather than bring that one up we decided to throw our's down.

      That's what we did, and drove back to the church, had a thanksgiving dinner that couldn't be beat, went to sleep and didn't get up until the next morning, when we got a phone call from officer Obie. He said, "Kid, we found your name on an envelope at the bottom of a half a ton of garbage, and just wanted to know if you had any information about it." And I said, "Yes, sir, Officer Obie, I cannot tell a lie, I put that envelope under that garbage."

    • by Thelasko (1196535)
      I'm seeing a lot of posts stating something like, "any idiot should know not to dump on your land" etc. However, in many states, under law, you have to post signage or build a fence to notify others of your property boundary. You may be able to prosecute without these things, but it will make your life easier if you clearly mark your property boundary. This usually corresponds to hunting regulation, but in this case I imagine it applies to dumping.

      I'm not aware of any States require a fence (although i
    • I agree, posting a no trespassing sign is key, but rationalizing that its a legitimate dumping ground?!?!? The legitimate dumping ground is called the landfill and at times it might cost a little to use it, but its there for public use. Dumping trash and rubbish elsewhere is just littering and ignorant.

    • It's possible that the more recent dumpers don't even know they're not supposed to dump there; after seeing junk already piled up some may assume that it's a legitimate dumping ground.

      Are you serious?

      A "legitimate dumping ground" is a city / county / state facility, not down some dirt road near some guy's cabin.

  • Have you asked the local cops what to do about the dumping? They might blow you off or they might get interested. It is worth a try before you get too cowboy on your own.
    • by pavon (30274) on Tuesday October 09, 2012 @12:05PM (#41597367)

      The main point of the camera is to have firm information to give to the cops. They aren't going to waste resources doing an in-depth investigation over something like this. But if you can give them a license plate number and a picture of the guys, they are much more likely to deal with them. And if not you have everything you need to head to small claims court.

  • They are ruggedized motion activated camera systems used by hunters and various conservationists to document wildlife in an area. Point on at the road and you will likely get a photo eventually.

    http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=trail+cameras&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=3841717161&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=6759584441200341366&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=b&ref=pd_sl_76nuhrt4i1_b

  • Wait in a ground blind with a boomstick and give em a taste of frontier justice (where justice == birdshot)

    Seriously though, the comment about trail cameras is right on. Motion activated camera that's self contained and battery powered. Designed for locating and tracking game movements, sounds like it would be perfect for your situation.

    Double seriously, trying to wait out for them and firing some blanks and generally appearing to be a totally unhinged redneck might go a long way to scaring them off. Pl

    • Re:Shotgun. (Score:5, Funny)

      by ColdWetDog (752185) on Tuesday October 09, 2012 @12:32PM (#41597689) Homepage

      Nah, you're not thinking. This is Slashdot - the home of the BSD toaster.

      So, you get the aforementioned hunter cam, then you open the case, find the signal to that fires the camera, rig a opsoisolated switch to another relay circuit that fires off a couple of M80's and a small amount of thermite. Take the pics, wait a few seconds, fire off the M80's and the thermite. For extra fun, take a few more pics.

      Bonus points for rigging explosions down the road on a tripwire or such so that you continue to 'fire' on the miscreants as the run screaming for their lives.

      Use some imagination here, folks.

  • Why re-invent the wheel? You said it yourself, hunters have been doing this for years. Therefore, there are already products on the market which will stand up to the elements with a long battery life and the capabilities to do what you are looking to do. Sure, you could buy some camera, put them in a water-resistant sealed box, camoflauge them, and run a wire to your house. But why go through that much trouble when someone already makes a reliable product to do exactly that?

  • by LF11 (18760) on Tuesday October 09, 2012 @12:05PM (#41597361) Homepage

    Place signs around the area (they do not have to be large) saying, "Video Surveillance in Use." Make sure you clean up any existing trash.

    If dumping persists, use a game camera to take pictures, then tack up some large prints of the perps dumping.

    Something like this: https://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=video+surveillance+signs&hl=en&prmd=imvns&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&biw=1173&bih=640&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=8862164393585909605&sa=X&ei=okp0UO2UPMWXiAKB-YHAAQ&ved=0CGsQ8gIwBg [google.com]

    People really pay attention to little cues like this when they are doing something nefarious. Good luck.

    • by martyros (588782)

      Place signs around the area (they do not have to be large) saying, "Video Surveillance in Use." Make sure you clean up any existing trash.

      I thought about suggesting this; but it may just cause the person to wear a ski mask / mud up his license plate before doing the dumping. Plus, it doen't actually stop the dumper, it just tells him to go to the next house down the road.

      • by LF11 (18760)
        Dumping is a petty crime; they pretty much dump where it is easy and they won't get caught. The bother of putting on a ski mask and mudding up the license plates is far more than going down a different road and dumping. Which brings us to your second point, which is very correct. I have no idea how to change a person's mindset so they don't dump in the first place. If you ever figure it out, please pretty please let us know!
        • by green1 (322787) on Tuesday October 09, 2012 @01:47PM (#41598563)

          Which brings us to your second point, which is very correct. I have no idea how to change a person's mindset so they don't dump in the first place. If you ever figure it out, please pretty please let us know!

          There is no 100% method, but the best way is to make sure they get caught. Scaring them off your property just sends them to someone else's, having the police fine and/or jail them sends a message that this isn't socially acceptable behaviour. This is why the camera idea, while a lot more effort for the submitter, is a better option than simply signs implying cameras or guns. It is actually possibly less effective in the short run for the submitter (especially if dealing with multiple people dumping), and takes more time, effort, and money then the signs, but it helps all of society, not just himself.
          I applaud the submitter for going this route.

    • People really pay attention to little cues like this when they are doing something nefarious. Good luck.

      Or they just pull a balaclava over their head, tape over the license plates, and keep doing it, since "video surveillance in use" signs almost invariably mean "not monitored in realtime" in remote areas. Not that I'd count on your average opportunistic criminal to think that far ahead, but... be honest with yourself: This is a deterrent, not a preventative action. As others have pointed out: Criminals are usually pretty stupid. Trash usually contains unpaid bills and receipts with their name or other person

  • Neighbors (Score:3, Insightful)

    by vlm (69642) on Tuesday October 09, 2012 @12:05PM (#41597363)

    I grew up in a semi-rural area so I know what I'm talkin bout here:

    Figure out why your neighbors hate you and convince them to like you. Lets be realistic, middle of nowhere, nobody's driving 500 miles just to dump on your land... You pissed someone off who lives VERY nearby and the folks who could bust him are better friends with him than you. Fix that.

    Talk to your local politicans and get fees removed from the community landfill. That's insane. Not legally permissible where I live, I believe by state reg, because the DNR doesn't want to spend $20000 cleaning up dumped motor oil as a result of "profit" they'd make from charging $5 at the landfill, not to mention it provides a profit motive for turning touristy scenery into a 3rd world wasteland. Sometimes a double taxation argument works... Govt already made 5% sales tax when I bought my motor oil, presumably they don't need another 5% to dispose of it.

    Another thing I don't understand is I cannot throw out steel or metal anything without the local meth heads stealing it and getting money for it at the junkyard. Other stuff you're reporting sounds bogus. Goodwill accepts anything electronic and sometimes makes a profit reselling it. There's a veterans group who collect furniture, drive up to your house with a pickup and they unload "for free" although since they're doing "good" I slip them some cash (knowing its probably paying for their lunch instead of going in their treasury, and I don't mind a bit). The only thing I can kinda understand is the countertop, but only kinda. Like where do those come from? If its wood, burn it. If its rock, bury it. If its steel the meth heads already stole it. So...

    • by Kuroji (990107)

      Just because it does not make sense to you does not make it untrue. This is likely only one or two people deciding to dump there, and they may not have had the flash of insight of 'we can make a few bucks instead of just throwing out the shit we don't want'.

      Frankly considering what they're tossing out it sounds like it may be someone renovating a home, in which case they're probably not going to care about what they could sell for scrap, just not wanting to be bothered to take it to the dump and deal with t

      • by vlm (69642)

        Just because it does not make sense to you does not make it untrue

        Its more of a suspension of disbelief thing. There's no meth heads anywhere nearby? Nobody who knows you get paid for scrap metal, not pay to dispose of it? Put up a post on craigslist, "free scrap steel and stuff".

        in which case they're probably not going to care about what they could sell for scrap

        Owner might not care but the contractors / subs will. I don't believe there is an electrician out there who will leave copper wire laying around a jobsite, at least not on purpose. Every carpenter has a woodburning stove in his workshop... So its gotta be a homeowner doing all his own work,

        • Owner might not care but the contractors / subs will. I don't believe there is an electrician out there who will leave copper wire laying around a jobsite, at least not on purpose. Every carpenter has a woodburning stove in his workshop... So its gotta be a homeowner doing all his own work, and probably a pretty stupid one at that.

          If I were to wager a guess, I'd go with "slumlord"

      • Yep. In my small, rural town, everybody gets to dump 200 pounds of stuff every month for free. Further, once a year, you can dump all you can haul over in a one week time frame. We have free electronic junk recycling. We haul off cars for free (boats you have to pay a bit extra for unless they're aluminum).

        People still go to the end of the road to dump off stuff that you can legally drop off for free. And they leave envelopes / pay stubs and all manner of incriminating evidence.

        The amount of stupid in

    • by kulervo (1597181)

      Vlm -

      I know it is ridiculous, but a personal anecdote:

      I was hiking in Virginia, somewhere along the Appalachian Trail. I was up on top of a ridgeline when I saw some junked tires near the trail but in the woods. It took me another 30 minutes of downhill walking to get to the next road crossing. Now it is possible that there was a closer road that I (a non-local) did not know about, but I would like to point out that it was still up-hill. Someone had hauled tires up hill just to throw them in the woods.

      • Re:Neighbors (Score:4, Interesting)

        by istartedi (132515) on Tuesday October 09, 2012 @01:14PM (#41598111) Journal

        Depending on the age of the tires, you may have stumbled upon a historic dump! Tires hold up remarkably well over time.

        The land that forms Shenandoah National Park was condemned in the 1930s. Most of them have passed on, but you might still find some folks who remember being evicted off their land and have an abiding hate for the Federal government which is part of a long tradition among mountain folk dating back to the Whiskey Rebellion, carried on by Prohibition, and nurtured by various other grievances to this very day. Their children are certainly still alive and brought up on the stories.

        I haven't seen a dump site, but I have seen a marked site where a school and some other buildings formerly existed. Only the stone walls endured. Some of the smaller parks in Virginia have backstories like this too. Bull Run is fascinating--ruins and Civil War brestworks which are kind of like half-open trenches. There's another web site out there that explains how a "ditch in the woods" that I never thought twice about is actually the channel for a mill that once ground grain.

        Anyway, you might have found an archaelogical site as opposed to a modern dump. When the trash was left, there was a poorly graded road which is now overgrown with trees. Finding 80 year old roads in the woods is an art; it's amazing how quicly nature reclaims things.

    • by bobbied (2522392)
      Goodwill does not take old tube type TV's of any size. Nobody wants them and they are expensive to dispose of. Best Buy and other retailers do accept used electronics for disposal in most states, free of charge though.
  • by 0xdeadbeef (28836) on Tuesday October 09, 2012 @12:06PM (#41597375) Homepage Journal

    And any idea of what my legal rights are to videotape or record?

    On your own property? To catch trespassers dumping garbage?

    Jeebus, is our country so in the shit we need to ask that now? Why should corporations and the government have a right to surveil and that right be denied to us? Why is every sentence in this post a question?

  • Go to Bass Pro and get some deer cams or just google "deer cam". You can get them as cheap as $100. They do exactly what you want. End of story.

  • A goat or two pastured in the area, if you're not averse to raising livestock. Goats are very protective of their territory. Might not be a viable solution if you're not around very often, but effective otherwise.

  • If there's any papers in it, there's a good chance you'll find names and addresses.

    Imagine a phone call that starts like this:
    "Kid, we found your name on an envelope at the bottom of a half a ton of garbage, and just wanted to know if you had any information about it."

    This strategy is in addition to any cameras you might have set up.

  • You didn't tell us where you live. How are we supposed to help you, if we don't even know what country you live in? Because this is Slashdot, I guess we can just assume that you're talking about the USA (possibly Canada). But then we still don't know what state (or province) you live in! I mean, I support the One World Government as much as the next Illuminati member, but until we can bring about that glorious revolution, we'll just have to deal with all these fractured governments.

    First of all, I'd try

  • I live in the middle of nowhere myself, and a couple of places have turned out to be semi-major dump sites for washing machines, refridgerators, general junk from gas grills to tires and so on.
    .

    I take my lawn tractor and cart to these places and load that stuff up, then take it to the metal recyclers. Makes a few bucks if you wait till you have a load big enough to counter your gas money for the trip. A little extra work to separate the copper from the iron pays off nicely too.
    .

    Since I also heat with

  • Legally the only restriction is audio recording someone without their consent where they do not have an expectation to privacy. That means if they are trespassing or dumping illegally they should not have an expectation of privacy. Excluding audio removes any legal issues, but you may be in your own right to audio record them if it is your property.
  • by samjam (256347)

    Put lots of spikes in the ground that will keep them out (or in)

    • by samjam (256347)

      Of course put up a sign saying: "Danger - no dumping - spikes in ground!"

      Then they have themselves to blame when they get a flat tyre or four

    • You're thinking of caltrops [wikipedia.org]. Always good to have a supply.

  • Post "YOU ARE ON CAMERA" signs and put up several decoy Video cameras around where they are visible. add some solar motion lights as well.

    They will move on as they think you are watching them.

  • There are loads of "game cameras" sold to hunters to scout hunting locations. It's going to be hard to beat the performance and value of a game camera. Check the usual sources.

    That said... I have a somewhat similar situation, a mountain property and private road that is a fire road. But we have a locked gate with 10 lock slots. Out where I am at, as long as PG&E has a lock slot so that their meter readers can get up the road (to read meters at radio towers on the mountain top), and as long as the ga

    • by mlts (1038732) *

      Here in Texas, we have "Knox boxes" which are sturdy steel lockboxes which are attached to fences or embedded in cement. They use a Medeco lock, and are keyed to what the local PD or fire recommends. In the box is a key to whatever is relevant.

      If there is an issue, the response people just fish the keys out of the Knox Box, open the gate, and be on their way.

  • Where I live, the dumpers are usually stupid enough to include some personal information with the trash. Envelopes with ardessess and so on. Take a look and bring the law upon them.

    • by scorp1us (235526)

      He said, "Kid,
      we found your name on an envelope at the bottom of a half a ton of garbage, and just wanted to know if you had any information about it." And
      I said, "Yes, sir, Officer Obie, I cannot tell a lie, I put that envelope under that garbage."

      After speaking to Obie for about fourty-five minutes on the telephone we finally arrived at the truth of the matter and said that we had to go down
      and pick up the garbage, and also had to go down and speak to him at the police officer's station. So we got in th

  • Have you even asked the local government about a lock for the gate that both you and they have a key for? Here in Boulder County (CO), there are some fire roads that are normally locked to prevent idiots from going where they have no business being.
  • The trail camera is a good idea but what if you were to take it a step further, putting up a sign saying the property is covered by CCTV and install a dummy camera that isn't hidden, plus a trail camera that is hidden. If you put up a sign and they couldn't see any cameras they might just think you're just bluffing, but if you give them something to find then they probably won't think about looking for a hidden one.
  • look up PLANTCAM on Amazon. Several models by the same company. time-lapse pics also video, motion activated uses batteries and an SD card I think.
  • Inform the local fire department that the road is booby trapped (with location and methods) and use a board with nails in it to puncture their tires. It'll make dumping on your land really expensive. With any luck you'll fix the problem before the fire trucks need to go down it.

    A neighbor of mine had a similar problem in that the county road made a hairpin turn around what used to be an old barn and stream that had since been removed. One of the locals got the idea of just driving across his land rather tha

  • by scorp1us (235526) on Tuesday October 09, 2012 @01:00PM (#41597965) Journal

    And by party, I mean set off fireworks when they arrive. Use a trigger that I got from IED-using insurgents in Iraq. You can use two hacksaw blades in a hose that act as a switch when driven on. Have this trigger a rocket motor igniter that ignites a rocket motor that lights several fuses which then sends fireworks up in the air announcing their unexpected arrival. IIRC, you only need 3 volts.

    That should be enough to scare them away. But you can also use it to trigger cameras too.

  • "Trespassers will be SHOT!". I'm they'll think twice about coming around.
  • by braindrainbahrain (874202) on Tuesday October 09, 2012 @01:08PM (#41598067)

    The OP specifically wants to capture identifiable information such as a license plate. Beware that most game cameras have a very slow response time, that is, it could be 1 to 3 seconds after detecting "game" that they take a picture. This is OK for deer or other critters (I've captured shots of racoons and groundhogs) but may not be effective with moving vehicles. Please try before you buy.

  • by doginthewoods (668559) on Tuesday October 09, 2012 @01:21PM (#41598211)
    The camera system worked great, but getting the trash picked up was left to him, and the cops wouldn't go after the dumpers. So he took an old pistol, loaded it with blanks, got a relay and hooked to the trigger, used the motion detector system to trigger the relay and put the whole thing where it was protected and hidden. And then put up a "trespassers will be shot" sign. That ended the dumping.
  • by morari (1080535) on Tuesday October 09, 2012 @02:29PM (#41598989) Journal

    You could setup some nice wildlife cameras, but the police aren't going to do anything about dumpers. Even if you have clear photos of their vehicle, license plate, their faces, and them in the process of dumping. Best that you just put a gate up... or better yet, bury some 2x4s in the trail with screws sticking up out of them. If you have the time, and the dumping occurs frequently enough, maybe sit up one evening with your pump shotgun.

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