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Ask Slashdot: Buying a Laptop That Doesn't Have Windows 8 570

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First time accepted submitter Sagan's Pie writes "I'm starting to look for a laptop for college, and the only thing I seem to find are laptops or tablets that have Windows 8. I have used Windows 7 for a long time now, and would not have a problem giving it up, but not for Windows 8. After visiting many major online retail sites, I've found that finding either a Windows 7 laptop, or even a laptop without an operating system is nearly impossible. So where should I go if looking for laptops sans os, or at the very least sans Windows 8?"
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Ask Slashdot: Buying a Laptop That Doesn't Have Windows 8

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  • Try NewEgg (Score:5, Informative)

    by GeckoFood (585211) * <[moc.liamg] [ta] [doofokceg]> on Thursday February 07, 2013 @06:03PM (#42825383) Journal

    NewEgg still sells Windows 7 laptops. Go into the laptops/notebooks section and enter Windows 7 as a keyword. Some of the units that come back are refurbs, but some are brand new.

    • Re:Try NewEgg (Score:5, Insightful)

      by rudy_wayne (414635) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @06:10PM (#42825499)

      Buy a computer that has the specs you want, then wipe the hard drive and install Windows 7. Problem solved.

      • Re:Try NewEgg (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 07, 2013 @06:14PM (#42825605)
        Or check out this site: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop [ubuntu.com] .
        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          Or check out this site: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop [ubuntu.com] .

          Uh. . .I'd be careful with this. I've been using Ubuntu exclusively for years and have had no serious problems UNTIL I tried to log into the online portion of a course via McGraw Hill Connect. The log in screen bounced me out for no other reason than because I was using Linux. The ironic part is when I found a way in that bypassed the courses official log-in screen, the online portions ran just fine.

          • Re:Try NewEgg (Score:5, Interesting)

            by TsuruchiBrian (2731979) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @08:11PM (#42827171)

            Theoretically, a website shouldn't even know what OS you are using. It is more likely to be looking at which browser you are using via the user agent, and sometimes this can be a giveaway as to which OS you are using (e.g. you are probably running Linux if you are running iceweasel). This user agent field is changeable to whatever you want, it is usually there to help web servers send you stuff that is going to work in your browser. Usually websites either give you a version of their website that is customized for your browser or some generic default if they don't recognize the browser you are using. Maybe the McGraw Hill Connect website is just written sloppily and it is rejecting your user agent. Depending on your browser, there is probably a way to change it. There may even be a way to change it for just that one web site.

            There is also a possibility that you are using a browser that is blocking popups by default. Some websites assume you are using IE and therefore likely have popups enabled. This is kind of dumb, because I am not even sure IE allows them anymore.

          • UA string change extensions aplenty.

            For the bludgeon method: Windows Firefox running in Wine. It thinks it's on Windows, the site thinks it's on Windows, luvverly.

      • Re:Try NewEgg (Score:5, Interesting)

        by linebackn (131821) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @06:19PM (#42825701)

        Buy a computer that has the specs you want, then wipe the hard drive and install Windows 7. Problem solved.

        Except it is not always that simple. Supposedly there are already some laptops out there that lack drivers for Windows 7. The number of incompatible laptops will increase as time goes on.

        There is also the problem of support. Vendors may refuse to support your hardware if it does not have the factory provided OS or software on it.

        And on top of that, you would be paying for an additional windows license.

        • by Synerg1y (2169962)

          Also, it can be a pain in the ass to get the laptop working the way it was when you change OS, all manufacturers have laptop specific software that may or may not run on different versions of windows correctly. I wouldn't worry about drivers just quite yet, give it a year.

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by Anonymous Coward

          If the device you buy has Windows 8 Professional, you automatically have downgrade rights to Windows 7 Professional. It's been in place on the Professional Windows versions since Windows XP. Get Windows 7 install media, call Microsoft and they provide a license.

      • Re:Try NewEgg (Score:4, Informative)

        by cayenne8 (626475) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @06:21PM (#42825723) Homepage Journal
        Have you tried the Apple store?

        No windows 8 there.

        :)

        However, on a more serious note...you could get a nice macbook pro....and install VMWare on it...and get a OEM copy of Win 7 (I still seem them on newegg for a decent price)...and run it in a VM.

        This combo allows you to have the best of all worlds on one computer...OSX, Windows (your fav. flavor) and Linux...etc.

        That's actually the route I went.

      • Re:Try NewEgg (Score:5, Informative)

        by gQuigs (913879) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @06:22PM (#42825741) Homepage

        From what I understand that will depend on the UEFI implentation of the Windows 8 machine. That may no longer work depending on the manufacturer.

        If you can't disable secure boot you won't be able to even install Windows 7, much less my preferred Ubuntu.

        • by Synerg1y (2169962)

          Screw that, if they start locking the bootloader, I'll buy an Ubuntu laptop first, and install WINE, or possibly windows 7 :)

        • by gl4ss (559668)

          pretty much all of them will boot win7. every one of them that wouldn't are still slashdot story worthy.

          that's of course unless the poor sob is stupid enough to buy a windows rt machine... ms is really digging a hole with their approach to this whole mess - but all in the name of pushing their appstore.

        • Re:Try NewEgg (Score:5, Informative)

          by shutdown -p now (807394) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @08:11PM (#42827191) Journal

          All Win8 machines that have the "designed for Win8" sticker are required to have the ability to disable UEFI Secure Boot.

          • by gQuigs (913879)

            That is true that Microsoft does have that as their requirement for all x86 machines. ARM is not that case at all, and you can't turn secure boot off at all.

            There is nothing that I could find requiring it to be easy. What if you have to contact the company and request it? I see no reason they couldn't do that. (That's a similar model to what the OLPC people did). It's not so hard to fathem that they don't bother if you have less than 100 machines...

            That's why I said "depending on the manufactuer".

      • Re:Try NewEgg (Score:5, Informative)

        by Hatta (162192) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @06:31PM (#42825905) Journal

        Buy a computer that has the specs you want. Then wipe the hard drive and install Debian. Return the Windows 8 license for a refund. Problem solved.

        • by westlake (615356)

          Buy a computer that has the specs you want. Then wipe the hard drive and install Debian. Return the Windows 8 license for a refund. Problem solved.

          Even if this ploy is successful --- it's a perfectly ridiculous waste of time and money that will net you next to nothing.

          Microsoft has released licensing rates for OEM Windows 8, including US$60-80 for Windows 8, US$80-100 for Windows 8 Pro (with Office) and US$50-65 for Windows RT (with Office), according to Taiwan-based notebook supply chain makers.

          Microsoft unveils Windows 8 OEM licensing charges [digitimes.com]

          Then there is the small matter of warranty service and technical support.

          You purchased a system with hardware, software and drivers certified for Win 8, remember. Diagnosing and repairing problems associated with any random --- and customized --- Linux distro was not part of the deal,

      • by Digital Vomit (891734) on Friday February 08, 2013 @08:30AM (#42830853) Homepage Journal

        Typical internet advice:

        Q: "So where should I go if looking for laptops sans OS, or at the very least sans Windows 8?"

        A: "Buy a laptop with Windows 8, then..."

    • A lot of business-model PCs (namely HP) come with Windows 7 downgrade already. Try looking for laptops like the 4540s that have been factory downgraded.
      • by MightyMartian (840721) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @07:23PM (#42826669) Journal

        We just bought eight Toshiba Satellites with Windows 7 installed. Funny part was they didn't even ask if we wanted Windows 7. It wasn't until they were just about to ship it that my rep called and said "I forgot to ask whether you wanted Windows 8 or not." I imagine they're getting so few business customers wanting Windows 8 it slips their mind.

    • by hurfy (735314) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @06:32PM (#42825929)

      Get out of the stores with 3 choices, perhaps?

      here
      http://www.walmart.com/ip/HP-14-G4-2149se-Butterfly-Blossom-Design-Laptop-PC-with-AMD-A6-4400M-Processor-and-Windows-7-Home-Premium-with-Windows-8-Upgrade-Option-bundled-with/21191020 [walmart.com]

      Newegg had 144 hits (lots of refurb, but better than craigslist suggested below!) on win 7 home premium alone.
      Dell, Tigerdirect, even Walmart all had them.

      I think this was meant to be posted next year...... ...and all those refurbs will still be there, even if new isn't....

      • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

        by Synerg1y (2169962)

        People buy laptops from Wal-Mart? Does it really matter at that point what's on it?

    • by AmiMoJo (196126) *

      The questioner didn't say where he lives. Novatech do OS-free laptops in the UK. Yodobashi and Sofmap still do Windows 7 and even a few no-OS models.

      You can also just buy a Windows 8 laptop and wipe it immediately, then claim a refund for it.

  • See comment subject. Doesn't come with Windows 8. Guaranteed.

    • by Empiric (675968)

      True. It comes with uncredited BSD Unix instead.

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by AlphaWolf_HK (692722)

      Only problem with apple.com is they sell computers that have been empirically found to be of inferior in quality to cheap OEM's like Asus and Lenovo, and yet cost a lot more than (almost twice as much) the more expensive OEM's like Dell. Asus and Lenovo also give you a better warranty for free (Asus warranty even includes free accidental damage for one year in addition to the standard two year warranty.)

  • system76 (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 07, 2013 @06:05PM (#42825411)

    https://www.system76.com/

    • Re:system76 (Score:5, Informative)

      by cab15625 (710956) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @06:13PM (#42825585)
      Just to clarify for the AC, system 76 sells/ships laptops, desktops, and servers with Ubuntu. If you are a linux user or feel like you might be ready to take the plunge, this is a good place to start. At least their systems are fully linux compatible. Even if you don't like ubuntu and have some other pet distribution, it has a better chance of working on one of these than if you get a windows laptop and flush the hard drive to install linux. Bonus: no windows tax, and no money to MS (except for possible hidden patent trolling on hardware or firmware).
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/laptop-computers/
      Good deal, you can choose Windows 7, or "No operating system required" to spare 79 pounds. I have one for six months, serves me well with Debian Wheezy on board.

    • I'm typing this from a recently purchased System76 Gazelle laptop, and the experience has been good so far. I am coming from running a Macbook Pro, which I had for several years. The mac was a nice machine, but have been getting creeped out by Apple's apparent slow drift towards the "post pc world". My iPad feels like a jail (perhaps more a luxury jail, but a jail nontheless) since I can only run what Apple allows, and I don't think I should have to jailbreak my own computer to gain proper control over i

  • MacBook or Dell (Score:5, Informative)

    by MightyYar (622222) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @06:06PM (#42825415)

    Get a Macbook and then put Windows 7 on it.

    Dell also has a Windows 7 [dell.com] page.

    I'm sure any business-friendly vendor will have the same if you poke around.

  • spring to mind immediately...

  • Dell.com (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward

    You can go to Dell.com and they have the option to build your own laptop with the OS you want.

  • by oic0 (1864384) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @06:08PM (#42825455)
    Install a third party start button program that also takes you straight to desktop. At that point you basically have windows 7, just dont hold your mouse cursor in a corner or that not so lucky charms BS appears. Wish there was a way to turn that off.
    • by Tim Cook (2821587) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @06:13PM (#42825575)
      Actually, please don't do this. M$ needs to know what a hunk of crap they've released reflected by low sales.
      • by Jeng (926980) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @06:27PM (#42825821)

        Sure Microsoft isn't just working to get paid twice?

        Once for the Windows 8 license that the oem pays for and once for the Windows 7 that the customer puts on it for twice the price the oem paid for Windows 8.

        So screw that, the pirated copies of Windows 7 are getting much better, just go with that.

      • by AlphaWolf_HK (692722) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @06:39PM (#42826049)

        I've been using windows 8 for a while (got it for free) and I'd have to say it is far from a "hunk of crap". Yes, metro sucks, but you don't have to use it, which is what GP suggests.

        Some things I like about 8 are this: reduced memory/disk footprint, easier access to commonly used functions (mouse to the far bottom left, right click; works with start8 too, though some start menu replacements disable this useful feature) more efficient copy dialog that even shows instantaneous rather than average transfer rates (pretty nice feature to have, yet shockingly windows 8 is the only OS that does it) better explorer functions like e.g. "admin console here", and built in support for mounting iso's. With windows 7 you have to add these in on your own, with windows 8 they are already there.

        If you want to show your distaste with metro, enable the customer experience reporting setting and just don't use it. They actually do make design decisions based on that.

        • by steelfood (895457) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @07:34PM (#42826787)

          reduced memory/disk footprint

          Wait, what? Smaller disk footprint? [superuser.com]

          better explorer functions like e.g. "admin console here", and built in support for mounting iso's. With windows 7 you have to add these in on your own, with windows 8 they are already there.

          With windows 8, you need to add the start button on your own. I'll take the start button over some little-used run cmd as admin anytime.

          If you want to show your distaste with metro, enable the customer experience reporting setting and just don't use it. They actually do make design decisions based on that.

          I have a better idea. Instead of we the end user put up with Microsoft's crap just so we can give them feedback, why not just give them feedback by not purchasing it at all.

          Is that Stockholm syndrome I smell?

      • by wolfemi1 (765089) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @06:48PM (#42826165)

        Tim Cook? You're hardly a disinterested third party. :)

    • by SScorpio (595836)

      Are you using Start8 or Classic Shell? Both have options to disable the charm bar.

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by linebackn (131821)

      Wish there was a way to turn that off.

      I hear a nuke from orbit is fairly effective. Haven't had a chance to try that yet.

  • by YrWrstNtmr (564987) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @06:09PM (#42825479)
    Amazon has many. Just put in Windows 7 as one of the filters.
  • Downgrade Rights (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Windows 8 licensing includes downgrade rights. If you have the key and a Windows 7 disk you can re-install to Windows 7 with minimal problems. Double check to make sure this won't void your warranty though, if you care about that.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by coastal984 (847795)
      Not so easy. Microsoft eff'd consumers with Windows 8 by embedding the keys in the BIOS - they are not use-ably retrievable. My shop used to clone PC batches by building a clean install of 7, then cloning it to others, and activating Windows with the key on the box. Not possible anymore - they are trying to force us into getting a volume license agreement, stating that cloning is a "right granted to volume license customers". Total crap by M$.
    • The problem is, then Microsoft will not only count you as a Windows 7 customer/user, but also tally you in as a Windows 8 customer/user. Even if the entire reason for choosing to downgrade was to not have to touch (or count yourself as a user of) a steaming pile of shit in the first place. You're better off just getting a system with Win7 and not helping to improve Microsoft's Win8 stats. The next best solution would be to get a system with a "no OS" or "FreeDOS" option and getting a retail Win7 disc to

  • Another alternative. (Score:4, Informative)

    by murph (16036) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @06:09PM (#42825485) Homepage

    http://zareason.com/ [zareason.com]

  • Lenovo (Score:5, Interesting)

    by b_dover (773956) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @06:10PM (#42825505)
    Order it an you can choose 7 instead of 8
  • by metrometro (1092237) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @06:10PM (#42825517)

    The big PC maker's online storefronts have a consumer and business section. Your milage may vary but the business section of say, Dell or Lenovo, tilts towards good build quality, OS flexibility, and less crapware. Finding a Win7 machine is no problem at all.

    http://shop.lenovo.com/us/laptops/thinkpad/x-series/x230 [lenovo.com]

    • It would be interesting to see how sales of Windows 7 vs Windows 8 compare. So many chairs would be thrown if it was discovered there were a sudden uptake in business class computers with Windows 7.

      But since the submitter didn't seem to know they still exist, it would seem Microsoft is doing a good job trying to erase Windows 7.

  • Clevo / Sager (Score:5, Informative)

    by oic0 (1864384) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @06:10PM (#42825519)
    Clevo based laptops typically come configured however you want and lacking whatever you don't want. No OS? no problem. You can also get em without hard drive, memory, chip, video card, whatever. They can be bought bare bones or with as much as you want in em. Also, the screen selection on them is usually much better. You can opt for much higher resolution than youll get in a dell etc...
  • by Kelbear (870538) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @06:11PM (#42825543)

    I never do.

    Really, the biggest change in Windows 8, is that I have to press the windows key when I login. Nothing else really changed in the OS for me. I still just hit win+r for the "Run" prompt, or click a shortcut in the number of places I've aggregated them that make much more sense than Win 7's start menu layout. I got Windows 8 because it was just $15 for a valid windows license.

    I'm in full agreement that there's no reason to upgrade from windows 7 to windows 8. But if you get windows 8, it's not the end of the world (unless you're really married to the start menu). Or hell, if you really need the start menu, just go download it and install it. If you're on slashdot you should know how to do this. This askslashdot is kind of a no-brainer.

  • by Lester67 (218549) <ratels72082 AT mypacks DOT net> on Thursday February 07, 2013 @06:11PM (#42825547)

    I'll reiterate Newegg, and add Amazon.com. Their list of top 10 selling laptops for Christmas, none of the top 5 were Win8, and all of those models are still for sale.

  • Builders such as Digital Storm, iBuyPower, and CyberPower PC among others still make build to order laptops with your choice of Windows 7, 8, Linux or even the option to leave the Hard Drive blank.

  • System76 (Score:4, Informative)

    by Kryai (976997) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @06:12PM (#42825561)
    I just purchased a laptop from https://www.system76.com/ [system76.com] their laptops come only with Ubuntu, had excellent customization options, and reasonable pricing (why is it so hard to customize laptops nowadays, when did this happen =\ ) My colleague recommended them and I get my laptop Monday so I don't have first hand experience yet, but I just had to make this decision and that's what I ended with selecting.
  • Thinkpad (Score:5, Interesting)

    by oGMo (379) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @06:13PM (#42825577)

    Get a Thinkpad. I just got a W530 [lenovo.com] with a 1920x1080 screen, one of the few you can find outside Apple. It has great Linux support [linlap.com], even down to the silly fingerprint reader. I can easily get 7 hours or so on the battery with the recommended tweaks. There's a whole wiki just for Thinkpad stuff [thinkwiki.org].

    It ships with Windows 7, but you never have to boot into Windows. You can blow away the whole drive, "recovery" and "boot" partitions, and never look back. It has a conventional BIOS in addition to UEFI (disabled by default; leave it that way), so you shouldn't have any issues there.

    It's a tank, it's not terribly sexy like an ultrabook, but it's great if you want a desktop-fast Linux-friendly workstation laptop.

  • by Nichotin (794369) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @06:13PM (#42825587)
    Do you have access to DreamSpark via your school? I study IT in Norway, and with my Microsoft DreamSpark login I can get a good bunch of their operating systems for free. If you do, then get a Windows 8 laptop (just make sure Windows 7 compatible drivers are available), then install Windows 7 from DreamSpark.

    Another option is to install Start8 from Stardock or similar, if it is the new interface stuff you don't like. I found Windows 8 quite likable with a proper start menu.
  • http://www.pcsforeveryone.com/ [pcsforeveryone.com]

    I've gotten one computer from them, and it was a mostly decent experience. (The card reader didn't work because of some weird incompatibility issue. I've forgotten the details now so i can't say if the problem was "obvious" enough that they should have warned me about it when i put the components together.)

    A friend of mine has gotten a couple computers from them. One of them ended up having a flaky hard drive or something that was causing her some aggravation, but they see
  • by The MAZZTer (911996) <megazzt@noSpAM.gmail.com> on Thursday February 07, 2013 @06:15PM (#42825641) Homepage
    I had the RC for a while. If you absolutely hate Metro you can download tools to can it and give yourself a reasonable replacement Start Menu, though the best ones cost money. StartMenu8 was the best of the free ones IIRC, while Stardock's Start8 was the best of the best but is like $20 or $30 or something like that. Then it's just like using Windows 7 with some minor enhancements (it doesn't get a lot of love but I love the Ribbon UI, and now Explorer has it).
  • I know of the top of my head that Alienware laptops still come with Windows 7. Possibly others too.

    And as many others have pointed out, get Windows 8 Professional and use your downgrade rights. You just need Windows 7 Professional media and you can install it instead. (You want to reinstall any laptop yourself anyway so its clean and without bloatware and factory provided viruses.)

  • by DogDude (805747)
    Is there a particular reason the submitter needs a brand, new laptop? The used PC market is massive. You can easily get a refurbished Intel i5 with Windows 7 for under $400.

    With that being said, all of you people who buy new PC's all of the time: please keep doing so! Your purchases allow me to always have access to a strong, steady supply of very, very cheap computers. I don't remember paying more than $200 for a desktop, or $500 for a high end laptop in the last ten years, thanks to your generosit
  • I'm a notebook fan - need the portability for various reasons - and have bought from a few places.

    If you want Windows, try Velocity Micro http://www.velocitymicro.com/ [velocitymicro.com] and look into their NoteMagix line. I just checked and you can pick between various Windows 7 and 8 flavors.

    Or perhaps Sager Notebooks http://www.sagernotebook.com/index.php [sagernotebook.com] I bought a gaming notebook from them 3 years ago and it is still going strong (although I upgraded it to Windows 8 and swapped the HD for an SSD since then).

    Or try System

  • As great as the 'Egg is, they tend to be overpriced for everyday purchasing.

    If you can wait:
    My best suggestion is to get an account at fatwallet (a coupon/deal aggregator and forums site), and set up a "topic alert" where you get emails sent to you whenever a good deal with a specific keyword (I used "i5" as well as "14" "14.1" for my keywords for my last lappy). Also frequently visit slickdeals as they have a nicer layout and faster response time for sales of limited quantity.

    It's usually these deal aggre

  • MacBook Pro (Score:2, Offtopic)

    by DaMattster (977781)
    I honestly think that you should go with a MacBook Pro because Windows runs very well in a virtual machine on it. You have the best of both worlds at your finger tips. I really like my MacBook! I have a VHD with Windows 7 installed and I use VirtualBox to run it. No problems and very fast.
  • Some great deals can be had on refurb'd demos or off lease units for a fraction of the price of a new machine.

    All good quality laptops last many years at this point, so wouldn't worry about lifetime.

    But I would put in an SSD post haste.

  • You can't (Score:4, Funny)

    by sproketboy (608031) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @06:25PM (#42825789)

    and your IP has been reported to Balmer. ;)

  • by The Dancing Panda (1321121) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @06:27PM (#42825835)
    Seriously. It's the same, with a small UI change. The Start Menu is now accessed by moving your mouse to bottom left corner of the screen, and it's redesigned in a tile format. Other than that small change (which people make way too big a deal of), and moving the Control Panel to the settings menu (bottom right corner, click Settings), it works exactly the same, in my experience.
  • by onkelonkel (560274) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @06:30PM (#42825875)
    At the risk of not actually answering the question you asked, why not use Windows 8? One click and you are on the desktop, and the experience is roughly the same as windows 7. If that one click is too much effort, install Classic Shell, and get almost exactly the same experience as windows 7. It works for me (YMMV).
    • I agree (Score:4, Informative)

      by Sycraft-fu (314770) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @07:42PM (#42826877)

      What with doing Windows support for a living I use the new and old Windows versions all the time. I run 8 at work, 7 at home. 8 is fine, once you get a start menu back. Start 8 is my favourite, costs $5. Start is Back costs $3 and actually restores the Windows start menu, the code is still in Win 8, at least most of it. Classic Shell is of course free and works fine, I just don't care for it as much.

      One that is there, it works real well. It is fast and stable, and it has some improvements I like, the new task manager is quite nice.

      It isn't worth rushing out to upgrade, it isn't OMGbettar than 7, if you have 7 stick with it. However it isn't problematic. It runs every program I've tried on it that also ran on 7 (and I've tried a lot) and it isn't problematic to use.

      For that matter even the new start menu is perfectly usable, it is just more clunky than what it replaced. It isn't hard to use, just slower and inelegant. Perfectly usable though, we leave it on the 2012 servers we have.

  • by gsgriffin (1195771) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @06:39PM (#42826053)
    Try a convertible like the Lenovo Yoga. I got one for my daughter off at college, and she LOVES it....she had been on windows 7 ever since it came out. When you start using a laptop with a touch-screen and Windows 8, it all makes sense and is really something great. A windows 8 laptop without a touch screen doesn't work for me either.
  • Buy direct with customizations.

    Last I checked, you could go and build a Dell laptop and choose Windows 7. You may have to use the business line of laptops, but they all give that option.

    And there's always Apple. Who I think still only provides Win7 drivers - I'm not sure they've got a huge demand for Win8 (though people have done Win8).

    There's also a bunch of smaller builders who do Linux PCs...

  • Ubuntu.. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Paracelcus (151056) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @07:01PM (#42826373) Journal

    Problem Solved!

  • by Deathlizard (115856) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @07:14PM (#42826525) Homepage Journal

    1) Buy the laptop you want with Win8 on it.
    2) Download Classic Shell

    The only big interface change is the Metro Start Menu. everything else in desktop mode is what you know from Windows 7. If you don't want to deal with Metro, Classic shell will get rid of that for you.

  • by WillgasM (1646719) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @07:20PM (#42826619) Homepage
    I'm sure the subsidies microsoft paid to have Win8 installed on that laptop actually make it cheaper overall than buying a laptop without an os. If you were thinking of moving to a linux distro, just wipe the damn thing.
  • by Sarusa (104047) on Thursday February 07, 2013 @07:57PM (#42827037)

    If you just disable Metro and get your start menu back with Start8, RetroUI, Classic Shell, or other options, you've got Win7 with a few nice upgrades. It's not worth a lot of effort or extra money to stick with Win7 (though if you can for the same price, go for it) Nor would I suggest most people pay the upgrade price for an existing Win7.

    I do this at work - nobody even notices except one of our IT guys when he saw my lock screen, which looks a bit different under 8. More to the point I can swap back between it and Win7 machines and not even care or notice except that Win8 has a nicer copy/move box.

Aren't you glad you're not getting all the government you pay for now?

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