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Hugh Pickens writes writes "The news that that Google is killing off Google Reader in their annual spring cleaning means hordes of abandoned RSS users will need a new home to get their news fix before July 1, 2013. Sure, Google Reader may not have been the most beautifully designed product to come out of Mountain View, Calif., but it sure was convenient. And now that it's going away, it's evident just how valuable it has been. 'It's a tough question that's not unlike asking what's the best planet to live on not named Earth or the best thing to breathe not named air,' writes Casey Chan. 'Google Reader was that obvious a choice.' So what's the best RSS reader not named Google Reader? Is it Reeder? Or NetNewsWire? Maybe Feedly? Or should we all just ditch RSS and get with Twitter?" Personally, I've taken a liking to Akregator on my desktop and Sparse RSS on my phone (syncing done woefully manually by exporting the list of feeds from my desktop reader and importing into the phone reader now and then). Update: 03/14 14:43 GMT by T : Depending on your aesthetics and platform of choice, you might like one of these four options, too.
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What's the Best RSS Reader Not Named Google Reader?

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  • Feedly looks OK so far, http://theoldreader.com/ [theoldreader.com] maybe?

    Twitter is no replacement!

    • by wile_e8 (958263)
      Netvibes seems ok to me for now. I'd like to try Old Reader, but it's limiting feed imports for now due to the huge influx of traffic and I haven't been able to import all my Google Reader feeds yet. I'm avoiding Feedly out of principal - it keeps asking me to download the app for Firefox in order to view it. I shouldn't have to download an "app" to view a web page, especially if I'm not on my own computer and just want to check my RSS feeds quick. Just give me the web page.
      • Netvibes (Score:5, Insightful)

        by unfortunateson (527551) on Thursday March 14, 2013 @11:01AM (#43171123) Journal

        I've been using Netvibes for several years now, and am mostly pleased, partly due to its "widget" mode, which lets me separate posts by feed rather than seeing them piled up by time. It will aggregate facebook, twitter, email (subject lines only), and has various widgets for just about anything: google news searches, ebay bids/sales, stock tracking, etc.

        It's mobile interface, however, has some serious flaws: it reports the wrong feed name when you select a post (I think it's showing the one you previously selected), and some feeds don't display at all (TechCrunch and MAKE, I'm looking at you) -- it might just be a matter of selecting a different version of the feed, though.

        • by wile_e8 (958263)

          Now that I've been trying Netvibes for a few hours, a few things are bothering me:
          - Do I really need to confirm every time I want to mark all items as read?
          - Why can't it put all the "new" items at the top? Sure, it was posted yesterday, but you didn't find it until right now. Why display it after all those other articles I've already read? Google Reader sorted by the time it found the new articles, putting new stuff at the top above all the stuff I already marked as read.
          - Why so slow to update feeds

    • by pr0t0 (216378)

      I've been playing with settings in Feedly to make it more Reader-like. There are a few problems though. First, I don't see a way to hide the number of Facebook or Google+ likes. I don't care how many people like it, only whether I do or not. Second, the Android app does not have a simplified list view; it's limiting the number of stories I can see on my phone by including a thumbnail pic that makes entries too high.

      News reader makers - If you are reading the /. coverage with interest, I highly encourage you

    • Re:Feedly looks ok (Score:5, Insightful)

      by interkin3tic (1469267) on Thursday March 14, 2013 @11:25AM (#43171405)
      I was turned off of theoldreader because I went to the page, and... SOCIAL SOCIAL SOCIAL MEDIA!!! See what your friends are reading! Sign in with facebook and goole plus and twitter and myspace!

      I use RSS feeds mainly for research journals to watch for relevant papers as they come out. And... er... webcomics. Why the hell would I care to include my friends on either one of those? My friends are idiots. If I find a particular journal article relevant to them (or funny webcomic), I can post it to one of those various services.

      Why does it seem like every RSS reader out there is trying to get me to merge it with facebook?

      Step 1: Make a website that does something
      Step 2: Integrate social media
      Step 3: ???
      Step 4: PROFIT!!!

      I try to avoid companies that seem to have that plan.
      • Your first clue was when it asked for "Manage Contacts" permission for google...
      • Re:Feedly looks ok (Score:5, Interesting)

        by apoc.famine (621563) <apoc@famine.gmail@com> on Thursday March 14, 2013 @02:27PM (#43174265) Homepage Journal
        This has been a pet peeve of mine for ages now as well. However, this particular instance is what convinced me to finally get off my ass and do what I've been meaning to do for about 2 years now:

        1) New Gmail account
        2) Fake Facebook account
        3) Fake Twitter account
        4) Use these for every sign-in thing on all the stupid websites that have a boner for social media.

        These accounts will never have friends. They won't have any followers to spam. "Will you allow us to post to your feed?" 'Sure. Even I will never ever see it.' I'm happily experimenting with a couple news readers now despite their asinine requirement that I sign in or otherwise attach one of the above.
    • by Cinder6 (894572)

      I tried Feedly on iOS a couple weeks ago. It was a mess; I couldn't ever get it to display more than one article. It also seems to be too focused on looking pretty.

    • by jaymz666 (34050)

      I now realise that feedly requires a browser plugin to work. This doesn't work for so many people who can;t install plugins on work machines, public access machines, etc.

    • by alen (225700)

      yep

      been using feedly for at least a year. i've used flipboard a little as well and they will probably work on their own RSS subscription service now

      the geeks probably hate feedly because it looks pretty, but i hated using google reader's GUI.

  • by Provocateur (133110) on Thursday March 14, 2013 @10:48AM (#43170957) Homepage

    "There are two simple reasons for this: usage of Google Reader has declined, and as a company we’re pouring all of our energy into fewer products,” Alan Green an engineer at Google said.

    The RSS team got the axe via Google Reader, which suddenly became their least favorite app.

    • by rgbscan (321794)

      Grrrrr.... I am SO TIRED of all the apps I use integrating with Google products that later get canceled. I was using NetNewsWire on my iPhone until the new version practically forced me to sync with Google Reader. I resisted for a long time, but I really liked that app so I grudgingly setup a google account and sync'd with google reader to make the app happy and work right again. Now they're pulling the plug. *Sigh*

    • They got axed? "All our energy into fewer products" sounds to me (someone who works in real science, not "tech") like you'd keep the people and move them to fewer products. I suppose energy here = money and products = shareholders?
  • by lennier1 (264730) on Thursday March 14, 2013 @10:51AM (#43171011)

    In my case it's newsblur.com

    Only problem is that it's still a rather small operation and right now the unexpected flood of new users is wreaking havoc on its servers.

  • Feedly is my choice and I'm very happy that they announced a seamless transition from Google Reader to their own backend services. They were right on top of this. http://blog.feedly.com/ [feedly.com] There are some who don't like the UI but I've never really had a problem with it. Works nicely on Chrome/ChromeOS through its plugin, on Android, iOS, even Kindle Fire.
  • by 93 Escort Wagon (326346) on Thursday March 14, 2013 @10:54AM (#43171035)

    Maybe I use RSS feeds differently than other people; but I've had trouble finding a decent reader that allows you to look at your feeds separately (on my iPad anyway - Firefox and Safari do fine if I'm on my desktop). Apparently most people like all the data all mixed in together, but I am generally reading RSS to find more targeted info - new Netflix streamable movies, for example.

    • In Google Reader you can do that, you just click on the feed you want to view in the "Subscriptions" list on the left instead of "All items" which mixes them all together.

      But it's fun to mix the satire news with the real news and guess which is which.

    • by Rainer (42222)
      RssRunner or xFeed might work for you.
    • by Herve5 (879674)

      on computers (not phone AFAIK), RSSOwl does this (and is best to me) on all platforms, open source; on macs only you also have Vienna. Both scale really well (like, 100+ feed sources, 10000+ unread instantly handled), both can sort, search, display html site inline, lock feed items...

  • Tiny Tiny RSS (Score:5, Interesting)

    by DarkSkiez (11259) on Thursday March 14, 2013 @10:54AM (#43171037)

    Run your own google reader:

    tt-rss.org [nyud.net]

    • This indeed, tt-rss is pretty nice!

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by david.given (6740)
      Unfortunately it requires you to run an SQL server and PHP, both of which require admin overhead to maintain. Does look nice, though.
    • Re:Tiny Tiny RSS (Score:4, Interesting)

      by bWareiWare.co.uk (660144) on Thursday March 14, 2013 @11:36AM (#43171569) Homepage

      This really is superb. Has a really nice Android client as well as the web interface.

    • by Hydrian (183536)

      This looks to be the closest replacement of Google Reader I have found. I'm still investigating mobile multi-user support. That is a showstopper for me. If this does workout, I may even be better than Google Reader. This way I control the data and not Google.

      • by AdamWill (604569)

        Worth bearing in mind that it's likely there'll be an influx of contributions to this and other open source alternatives from the Reader exodus. So even if tt-rss doesn't have some feature you need right now...chances are high it'll mysteriously show in the next few weeks =)

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      There's also gritttt-rss (http://gritttt-rss.nicolashoening.de/) which extends tt-rss with some sharing and import features. I haven't tried installing either yet.

    • Just gave it a shot. Polished web interface, nails the key features from what I can see, and seems rather nice overall, but it's frustratingly slow and painfully unresponsive on the shared host I'd be using. If you have a dedicated host, then this definitely seems like something that's worth using, or at least worth looking into. As for me, I'll be looking for something else, since I don't want to be staring at "Loading..." for 15 seconds every time I click on one of my feeds.

      • by AdamWill (604569)

        Do you have a PHP accelerator in line? (Can you do that on shared hosts? I don't know, never used one). Most PHP webapps are basically unusable in practice without an accelerator, inc. tt-rss.

  • It's a much different flow from Google Reader (and every other RSS reader I've ever seen, actually), but I use Firefox Live Bookmarks exclusively.

    I've tried switching away numerous times. Particularly during the entire Firefox 3.x series, which had a major bug where refreshing Live Bookmarks caused the whole browser to stop responding until it finished. With the 100+ blogs and webcomics I read, that meant every hour or so, it would freeze up for 2-3 minutes. I switched to Chrome for literally everything els

    • I used to use Live Bookmarks but they are simply too cumbersome and inconvenient. You have to check every feed separately, manually for updates. That is barely a step up from manually checking the websites you got the feeds from!

      With an RSS feed reader, you can see all unread messages at once and just page through them. So if I have 100 feeds and only 5 of them have new items, I am just looking at 5 new items in a single list. It's stupidly convenient. Plus simple features like being able to "star" ite

      • Try doing RSS in Thunderbird, which might be closer to what you want. From what I recall, you can choose to keep the RSS feeds in a single folder, or split them by feed, plus all the easy things like marking / emailing.
  • I don't read stuff while moving anyway. Liferea (Desktop app).
    • by ssam (2723487)

      +1 for liferea
      I have used it for years. I like that it grabs all the headlines in the morning, then i can read them on the train (or where ever else I might be without a net connection). I can flag the interesting ones and read them later when i am online

      over the past couple of years the way its hard some odd bugs in it counting and displaying of unread or flagged mails, but it seems mostly good now in 1.8.12

  • I really miss the RSS functionality from the last version of Apple Mail. I really liked being able to have my favorite feeds in the same place as my email, but separate from my Inbox. It was nice that each feed was separate, instead of munged together.

    Why this trend away from RSS I wonder? It is because Google wants you to use G+ as the reader for all your "feeds" in some Facebook-wannabe fashion?
  • by SoundGuyNoise (864550) on Thursday March 14, 2013 @11:03AM (#43171139) Homepage
    My favorite used to be RSS Reader (rssreader.com), but it hasn't been updated lately. Basic simple interface: List of feeds on the left, headlines on the right. That's all I want.
  • by WoodburyMan (1288090) on Thursday March 14, 2013 @11:06AM (#43171177)
    So Google, you're shutting down Google Reader? Yeah, well... I'm gonna go build my own Web-Based RSS Reader with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the RSS Reader! I have been a avid Google Reader user for 3-4+ years. I check it every break at work and usually first thing in the morning on my Tablet and at night before I go to bed. Love it. After hearing this, EVERY other web based RSS / Reader site was slammed and down. Then I thought... what if any of those services just randomly *poof* overnight went offline, like Google Reader, but without notice? Having my own shared server, I looked into PHP / MySQL solutions. So far Tiny Tiny RSS Reader Wins out. http://tt-rss.org/ [tt-rss.org] Set up and running in 20 minutes. Being a shared server I couldn't run daemons so I had to use a cron job to have it update the feeds every 10 minutes but it works great so far for the last 12 hours.
  • by dFaust (546790) on Thursday March 14, 2013 @11:06AM (#43171189)
    A buddy of mine wrote a Google Reader replacement back when they started making Google+ changes to it. I don't if its the best, I haven't checked out the others, but it meets my needs and I use it daily. It has some social features so you can share and comment on posts with your friends as well. http://1kpl.us/ [1kpl.us] (The name is a reference to when you have too many feeds and not enough time to read them - the old Reader counter would simply say "1000+" once you hit 1k unread posts)
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      Hi, I created 1kpl.us, I'd love it if some /. users checked it out. Thanks!
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Looks great, but I can't find a way to make it display just the titles of items and have them expand by clicking on them. My Google Reader looks like this: http://i.imgur.com/M8Td2mU.png
        It's much easier to go through a lot of items like that.

      • by sapped (208174)
        I managed to get my feeds from Reader over into 1kpl but nothing displays for me. Do you have a help page hidden away somewhere really well that I should be looking at?
  • So I see two sorts of things being mentioned:
    -Desktop/Phone applications that have no idea what you have read/not read on other devices
    -Hosted RSS readers that do not have that problem, but could just as easily be shut down at the whim of the operator.

    What about self-hosted alternatives internet accessible? Install something on my own http server and go to town (e.g. like roundcube or squirrelmail for email). RSS reading is sufficiently low load that even most home internet connections suffice to serve it

  • If I can't code against it, it's not good enough.

  • by ftobin (48814) * on Thursday March 14, 2013 @11:13AM (#43171271) Homepage

    Google has quite some balls sending me an email today asking me to upgrade my personal Google Apps account to their business tier today. Only $5/month!

    You know what I would pay for? Google Reader.

    (For the record, the reason I don't upgrade is because I'm a single user of the domain, but have 3 accounts - one personal, one for root, and one for a separate alerts mailbox...labels don't suffice yet).

  • Since we're on the topic, does anyone know a good RSS reader that I can install on my own web server?

    I currently use Gregarius [sourceforge.net] but the project is no longer under development.

    I don't want a desktop based one as I need to ensure it checks the feeds whether my computer is on or not. Also, there's nothing more convenient than simply clicking links within a browser.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14, 2013 @11:20AM (#43171355)

    Self-hosting solutions are available, will never get canned in this manner, and are highly customizable. But, of course, require a place to host it.

    I've tried both Tiny Tiny RSS [tt-rss.org] and RSSLounge [aditu.de] before in an attempt to rid myself of the Google Reader addiction, but found them both lacking in some respects every time. Since Google Reader is disappearing though, I made a new attempt this morning.

    RSSLounge seems to have been abandoned a year or two ago, but perhaps it was stable enough (RSS aggregation is not nuclear science).

    Tiny Tiny RSS have some in my eyes quite horrible default settings, especially coming from Google Reader. The good news, however, is that it is configurable to mimic Google Reader quite closely. With some work with custom CSS rules it is quite close at a first glance.

    My Tiny Tiny RSS configuration:

    • Enable "Automatically expand articles in combined mode"
    • Enable "Combined feed display"
    • Long date format: "Y-m-d H:i"
    • Short date format: "Y-m-d H:i"
    • My custom RSS [pastebin.com]

    Last time I installed it on Debian I ran into enough caveats that it led me to write a guide for others to install it, but since then it has been included in the unstable repository. To install it, some manual work was still needed, though:

    • sudo aptitude install tt-rss libphp-simplepie #the second package is a correct dependency now, bug fixed very recently [debian.org], so that should no longer be needed.
    • sudo vi /usr/share/tt-rss/www/config.php #Enter server URL. I also set SINGLE_USER_MODE=true per preference.
    • ln -s ../conf-available/50-tt-rss.conf /etc/apache2/conf.d #A bit weird by the Debian package to not put it directly in conf.d/
    • sudo vi tt-rss.local #This was for my local configuration. Needed a entry for Apache to give access to a directory outside of DocumentRoot. I also locked it to localhost access per preference.
    • sudo service apache2 reload
    • sudo vi /etc/default/tt-rss #Set DISABLED=0 to be able to start the service.
    • sudo service tt-rss start #Hopefully the aggregator will start fetching feeds.

    Then go to http://localhost/tt-rss and start configuring. All subscriptions can be exported from Google Reader and imported in Tiny Tiny RSS, keeping dirctory structure intact.

    I'll try to migrate fully to this solution now that Google apparently no longer wants my traffic :-) . I'd say I probably use Reader the most of all Google's services, including Search, Gmail, Youtube, etc., so the decision to can it is quite strange from my personal view.

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Ah, I found out what happened to RSSLounge: it was superseded by the author's new project Selfoss [aditu.de]. Probably also an alternative to check out, though a lot of project communication seem to be in German, which might be a problem for some :-) .

  • BeyondPod is my RSS client of choce. It is for mobile platforms (Windows and Android), and has a ton of features (including an in-built media player for podcasts, scheduling capabilities, etc.).

  • Firefox is all you need. You also eliminate the need for a second program to do what amounts to having "live" bookmarks. Get it, eliminate chrome and reader in one fell swoop.
  • Outlook (Score:4, Interesting)

    by happylight (600739) on Thursday March 14, 2013 @11:30AM (#43171483)
    *gasp* Yes I use MS Outlook. Just so it's all sorted together with my email.
  • Long, long ago, I started using Sage with Firefox. When it was sort-of abandoned, I moved to Sage-Too.

    Then, the main developer of Sage-Too went on a rant about not liking ad blockers, and left. Problem is, I like ad blockers and hate people who force me not to use them. The Sage project resumed working, but it didn't work with Ad Block. I managed to keep using Sage Too until I couldn't avoid upgrading from Firefox 3.6x. At that point, I cobbled together something with PHP on my local Apache server, plu

  • Multiple devices ? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Pascal Sartoretti (454385) on Thursday March 14, 2013 @11:32AM (#43171521)
    What I like (or liked...) about Google Reader was that I could read some things at home on my Mac, some other at work on my PC and some others in between on mobile phone, and that the "read" status is synchronized.

    I am ready to switch to anything else, as long as I can keep on reading stuff from everywhere. I am ready to install client applications.

    Any idea ?
    • Feedly is cloning the Google Reader API and implementing a new back-end as part of their "Normandy" project, so it's likely that other clients will turn to it to keep their apps working (and synchronized). Naturally, the official Google ones will be left out.
  • My problem is that I liked being able to dump all of my feeds into Google Reader as sort of a central storage, then use various iOS apps to read them later on. I do not have time to read them during the day, so a desktop application or web reader is useless to me. I just want a central convenient storage area for my feeds and a good mobile app to read them later that night. I will have to hold off moving my Google Reader feeds until I see where Reeder may be going with their app development.
  • I posted a similar comment in the first Reader thread, but what I'm looking for is an RSS reader for Android with support for alt text (aka mouseover text). Google Reader, amazingly, has this. It's the only Android app--RSS reader or even web browser--that I've found that will let you read alt text. And yes, xkcd is a big motivator, but it turns out xkcd is popular enough that products like Pulse have special feeds with the alt text built in. The same can't be said for the myriad of other webcomics I read t
  • by stuporglue (1167677) on Thursday March 14, 2013 @11:48AM (#43171713) Homepage

    I wanted a web-based reader, and did some searching last night.

    I decided I wanted to go with a self-hosted option, and found SelfOSS. It's light-weight, PHP5 and the code is very clean. It can use MySQL or SQLite.

    It's a single-person reader, with one username/password supported.

    http://selfoss.aditu.de/ [aditu.de]

    You can see a live demo here: http://stuporglue.org/selfoss/ [stuporglue.org]

    The only downside so far is that with SQLite, the database locks when updates are running. This is fairly quick, but might be an issue for some people.

  • One HTML5 webpage.

    That's it.

    Pull the RSS feeds once an hour. Use HTML5 to store the data. Use Javascript to write the HTML. It doesn;t have to be fancy.

    Bonus if I can 'install' my own CSS.

    I'll save it on Dropbox, Google Drive, Mega.co.nz or even my own local storage.

    I haven't kept up my skills, so that's me out. It's a weekend's work for someone...

    Help a nerd out?
  • isn't a new RSS reader but a new RSS syncing standard. Google Reader let people use several different viewers and they would all stay in sync: what was marked read here was marked read over there too. (OPML lets you import and export a list of subscriptions, but not a list of read items.) Clearly, relying on a single company to provide that service was a mistake. Can we come up with an open-source standard system that won't go poof at the whim of a single website, so that people can use multiple reading

  • are we really so bored we must find the replacement OMG SKY IS FALLING on the very next day?

    chances are that two months from now you'll have better auto migration tools and the people recommending you a replacement have then actually used the replacements for more than a day.

    personally I don't find the need for a rss reader to be that big. niche blogs tend to be best read at many articles at a time and and major stuff hits sites like slashdot at least twice so.. if the actual site is too fucking crappy to r

    • personally I don't find the need for a rss reader to be that big.

      For people working in particular tech branches, RSS feeds are the simplest and fastest way to keep themselves up-to-date. Most web sites and news wires allow subscribing to a feed of articles with a tag. Often hard to find, occasionally manual editing of the URI is required - but works like a charm in the end. Sparing you the need to fish for those few articles.

      and personally I've had the opinion as well that if you trench yourself into reading news just from your feeds you'll end up getting just a small slice.

      That is very true. And sadly if I for example have 5 subscriptions related to a certain topic, the recommendation by most of the on-line RSS readers

  • I was pretty happy with Bloglines until it was to be killed in 2010 (a white knight rescued it, http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/110510-bloglines-shutdown-avoided-as-merchantcircle.html [networkworld.com] but I had already switched to google reader by that time). I'd consider returning to it, since it remains alive, though am also open to some of the other alternatives being shared.
  • I actually love Opera's feeder. Clean, simple, not beholden to web services like Google. Of course, this comes with its own set of problems:

    1) Requires installing another browser and a proprietary one at that
    2) Opera's mail client is utter shit (hence the reason I use Thunderbird for my E-mail or I'd just use Opera and have a one-stop.
    3) Opera tends to have good releases then buggy ones. Stick to the odd point releases.(12.11, 12.13, etc. 12.14 has issues with certain pages hanging again).

  • I use Sage. Very unobtrusive, no need for a server account (ie. no one tracks what I'm reading), easy method to search a web page for RSS links, links are a part of my bookmarks (easy to manage, organize, back up), RSS links are copied to all of my computers as a part of the bookmarks using XMarks (make a change on one computer, the change shows up on all computers automatically). In fact, I do NOT use Chrome specifically because Chrome doesn't have Sage.
  • I just want a simple, fast RSS reader. I'm not looking for many features.

    I tried a few dedicated products, but Thunderbird 2.x works best for me (I didn't try a later version). It's got a 3-pane interface, it's lightening fast (essential for browsing hundreds or thousands of headlines), you can turn off remote images for more speed and privacy (use View > Message Body As > Simple HTML), and you can navigate (mostly) by keyboard (the amazing Nostalgy extension may help here; I've used it for so long th

  • But certainly the least *fussiest* for me has been Feedly. Install extension, sign-in with google, bam, done.

    (tip: do full article view and it's as close to gr as you can.)

    All the others, oldreader, newsblur, netvibes have been bitching one way or another.

  • If you own or share your webhosting, what about setting the agregator just there, so you can access it from just any platform you want?
    http://sourceforge.net/projects/sux0r/ [sourceforge.net]
    You can even train it, bayesian like, to sort your very own interesting posts...

  • I have a confession to make. I'm forbidden from surfing the web at work, so I SSH into my own BSD shell account and browse using Lynx. Yes, Lynx, the text-only web browser. It's surprisingly functional on a lot of websites, and for some bizarre reason Google Reader has a page optimized for Lynx. 80-90% of my RSS reading is through a text-only browser.

    I don't see any other services meeting that need. Feedly, or any other 'app', is a non-starter. All the services I've tried so far do not work under Lynx. I think it's the end of text-only web browsing for me -- for the entire world, in fact. That's a shame; text-only browsing is much faster, and with the ability to pipe web pages to Linux commands there's a lot of power there as well.

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