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Ask slashdot: Which 100+ User Virtualization Solution Should I Use? 191

Gonzalez_S writes "Let's say you need to give access to 100+ users to create their own virtual machines and devices (eg. switches, .., ms windows or linux family) in a manageable and secure way. Which virtualization solution would you choose? There are vmware, xen, kvm, .. based solutions, but which one would you prefer and why? The solution should be stable, manageable, scriptable and preferably have ldap integration. In this case I also need to setup a playground for IT students, next to hosting production servers on the same system."
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  • by papa1890 ( 2901295 ) on Sunday May 26, 2013 @05:56PM (#43829007)
    Opinions are a great thing to gather when building any type of system no matter how experienced you are. People stand shit up all the time that they aren't 100% familiar with and in this day and age products can change drastically. Do you really expect OP to know everything about every possible virtualization product? I don't see anywhere in his post that he is asking for anything more than an opinion. He doesn't even state that he needs one, he's simple asking for peer feedback. Instead he gets asshat responses from the internets...
  • by DarkOx ( 621550 ) on Sunday May 26, 2013 @06:02PM (#43829037) Journal

    I don't agree. There is nothing really unique to virtualization, it's just really interdisciplinary, storage, network engineering, wintel admin, Linux admin, physical datacenter management, etc on these scales. Nothing anyone who has been in IT for awhile and worn a few hats in that time can't be expected to do so reading and then get started.

    It is a useful question to ask though, at least several of the products mentioned can likely meet his needs, there are qualitative and technical differences and soliciting some info on he experience of others, to help direct his research effort is not unreasonable

  • by Heebie ( 1163973 ) on Sunday May 26, 2013 @06:23PM (#43829125) Homepage
    I think the closest thing you'll get to "out of the box" for what you're looking for is Apache Cloudstack running on Citrix XenServer for a hypervisor. With basic networking, you can keep things pretty simple. With advanced networking, you can allow your users to build virtual data centres. It can be 100% free open-source software as well, although if you get Citrix CloudPlatform, you get a couple of extra features, and support, but you pay for the support. You could be something similar with other products, but CloudStack actually has a pretty amazing amount of stuff that is just there already, and doesn't need configuring.
  • by Billly Gates ( 198444 ) on Sunday May 26, 2013 @06:45PM (#43829243) Journal

    If you have to be so arrogant and pretend to know what is best without research or asking other I.T. professionals then I have to say you are not doing yours and neither are the moderators who made this +4??

    Stating that you are not qualified is also highly insulting and ruins the quality of candid discussion on Slashdot that I do like and enjoy reading the comments.

    In fact regardless of the field I do not know of anyone who is competent who does not look to others with more expertise in a specific area for opinions. No matter how badass you think you are at your job there is always someone who knows more than you. Especially in a particularly area such as this case virtualization.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 26, 2013 @06:48PM (#43829263)

    Nah, it's called getting a set of basic user requirements and then looking through a set of products to see which match the list.

    "That worked so well!!", said no one who ever did that ever.

  • by Billly Gates ( 198444 ) on Sunday May 26, 2013 @06:49PM (#43829265) Journal

    Or an expert for that matter?

    I have setup VMware before but I sure as hell would ask others before I put live production and recommend an expensive solution and put my job on the line for 100 users. Google will show just search engine optimized crap of people trying to see stuff anyway and it is hard to tell which is real and which is a fake website pulling data from another designed to pimp up the ratings of a 2nd website.

    Windows 7 forums are copied by bots all the time and put in fake ad/malware ridden sites with links to someone trying to sell something to get a higher Google SEO rating whenever I try to search for something technical. It is annoying.

  • by nospam007 ( 722110 ) * on Sunday May 26, 2013 @07:04PM (#43829355)

    "Even if it's just for students to play with: If you have to ask us, then you're not qualified to do your job."

    You seem to suffer under the impression that US schools have the money to hire top specialists.

  • by XcepticZP ( 1331217 ) on Sunday May 26, 2013 @07:54PM (#43829543)
    I highly agree with you. The answers to technical/geeky questions on Slashdot always have a lot of experience and insight. That is something Google searches would never yield, unless they happen to be results of Slashdot questions regarding the topic you're searching for.
  • by kermidge ( 2221646 ) on Sunday May 26, 2013 @07:55PM (#43829549) Journal

    Gotta step in somewhere.

    My first response halfway through Gonzalez' post was "Oh, yeah, he's an instructor, maybe at a community college, and he's in charge of getting this thing up and running." Next thought, "He's done no homework other than learning the names of some virtualization methods/engines and wants the smart folks on /. to do it for him." Clinched with the last two sentences.

    Then, before delving into all the helpful posts thus far, I figured it was also possible he'd done a bit of swotting up and reached the point where he's brain-burnt, confused and maybe over his head. As another here has said, simply trying to use Google to get to sources for decent advice or real infos can be... disheartening.

    Finally, since we all plopped out of the womb knowing little more than how to suck, poop, and cry, it's not unreasonable to ask those who might know more, or who've been in the same boat, for any useful info, pointers, advices, which lead him to right here and now.

    Now to continue reading, see if anything interesting and useful shows up.

  • by mysidia ( 191772 ) on Sunday May 26, 2013 @09:26PM (#43829857)

    OP: You can do what you want with a simple install of ubuntu and 20 minutes worth of bash to get a prototype together.

    Prototypes are easy; there are a lot of problems you don't have to worry about like bad neighbors on a VM host, or proper failover and reliability considerations.

    The author said secure and manageable.

    It's hard to imagine something as less manageable than "You have to write your own code" just to even get a working prototype.

    And it's hard to imagine something less secure from an availability perspective than... "I just cobbled together some ad-hoc failover code in bash"

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