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Ask Slashdot: How To Pick Up Astronomy and Physics As an Adult? 234

First time accepted submitter samalex01 (1290786) writes "I'm 38, married, two young kids, and I have a nice job in the IT industry, but since I was a kid I've had this deep love and passion for astronomy and astrophysics. This love and passion though never evolved into any formal education or anything beyond just a distant fascination as I got out of high school, into college, and started going through life on more of an IT career path. So my question, now that I'm 38 is there any hope that I could start learning more about astronomy or physics to make it more than just a hobby? I don't expect to be a Carl Sagan or Neil deGrasse Tyson, but I'd love to have enough knowledge in these subjects to research and experiment to the point where I could possibly start contributing back to the field. MIT Open Courseware has some online courses for free that cover these topics, but given I can only spend maybe 10 hours a week on this would it be a pointless venture? Not to mention my mind isn't as sharp now as it was 20 years ago when I graduated high school. Thanks for any advice or suggestions."
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  • by TWX ( 665546 ) on Thursday September 18, 2014 @01:45PM (#47938127)
    Honestly, one of the most exciting things that I did was to take an overnight tour at Kitt Peak. They've dedicated one of their older optical telescopes that's not really adequate for leading-edge science anymore to use for public outreach, and seeing the Jovian moons so clearly was very exciting and made it easier to want to continue.

    It's probably safe to accept that you'll be a consumer of science rather than a producer of it, but that's okay. Go camping with a large telescope and enjoy the world. Buy books or programs that let you track the objects of the night sky. Look at what NASA, the ESA, and IAU release.

    If you're lucky you'll identify a new asteroid or comet.
    • On the astronomy side, I second the camping with a telescope idea. I've had friends tell me about groups of astronomy enthusiasts who schedule nights to meet up in places to star-gaze and/or camp out. Most of them bring their own telescopes and like to chat and show off the various features and techniques, show you things they've found with their telescopes, help you with yours, and so on. Check one out and see if it's a kid-friendly environment for a fun camping overnight (I have no idea if it would be or

    • Many communities have local astronomy clubs. It would be good to join one of those before purchasing a scope. Telescopes have a lot in common with purchasing your first house. What you think you want and what you need are two different things and often not apparent until after the mis-purchase is made. An astronomy club will let you experience various scopes so you have a better idea of what to get to fit your needs. Also, often, there are others in the club looking to upgrade their equipment and will sel

  • by Squidlips ( 1206004 ) on Thursday September 18, 2014 @01:45PM (#47938129)
    I went to an Ivy League school, and we actually had a professional astronomer visit and beg us not to try to get a job in the field! There are NO jobs in the field, at least paying jobs.
    • there is more than traditional astronomy, cosmology and astrophysics have teaching jobs, and the various national labs have job openings

    • by Skarjak ( 3492305 ) on Thursday September 18, 2014 @01:53PM (#47938257)

      That's certainly something a lot of people are finding out. In times of economic troubles, fields like astronomy are the first to suffer.

      As for the original question, I think you have more than enough time to learn physics and astronomy if you pick up some books and watch videos, to the point where you might be a pretty good amateur enthusiast. But contributing to the field? Maybe by doing some amateur astromy, you can help us spot objects. Lots of people are happy with that. I guess if you have good programming skills, you might spend some time learning physics to the point where you can run your own simulations, assuming you don't need a supercomputer to do so. 10 hours a week is definitely on the low side though, it's going to take a while to learn everything you need to know. Also, it's very unlikely you will get published unless you manage to be associated with a university. Maybe inquire into doing a part-time degree or something? The reality is that if you're not in the academic world, it's hard to contribute meaningfully.

      • by khallow ( 566160 )

        That's certainly something a lot of people are finding out. In times of economic troubles, fields like astronomy are the first to suffer.

        Even in good times, astronomy as a career choice will suffer due to the considerable overproduction of PhDs in the field.

    • by fermion ( 181285 )
      Of course Astrophysics, even as the bastard child of real physics, is still very hard. Most people who are in it have had some major training and degrees by the time they are 30. Also, if you are like me you are probably making some good money after 20 years of work. I could probably go to a research job, learn what I needed to learn, but would probably me making half of what I do. I love research, but like the cash as well, and can do fun stuff occasionally and as a hobby. That said there seem to many
  • I've always had a fascination with bio-chem. Got my InfoSci degree but toying with going back on a chem track.
    • by methano ( 519830 ) on Thursday September 18, 2014 @02:06PM (#47938419)
      Don't do it, man! You'll have a hard time finding a good (read interesting) job without a PhD and with a PhD, you'll be out of work at 50. And you'll be bitter. Oh, and that PhD needs to be from a top ten university and you need to work for a big name and you'll have to work a lot harder than you think unless you're real smart. Oh, you'll also have to do a post-doc at an even better university and with an even more famous professor. If you're real smart and lucky you can make six-figures. Maybe, till you turn 50. Then you have to find something else to do. Or maybe you can get an academic job and you'll have to work 80 hours/week for 5 to 7 years after that post-doc till you get tenure, if you do. If you don't then you start over. And you may never make six-figures. It's a lot harder to be a happy chemist these days.
  • Just do it. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by khasim ( 1285 ) <brandioch.conner@gmail.com> on Thursday September 18, 2014 @01:48PM (#47938175)

    I don't expect to be a Carl Sagan or Neil deGrasse Tyson, but I'd love to have enough knowledge in these subjects to research and experiment to the point where I could possibly start contributing back to the field.

    Look up "Galaxy Zoo". You can start contributing today.

    As for classes, start reading. Find out which books are used for the courses and buy the books and read them even if you cannot take the courses.

    • by drerwk ( 695572 )
      To add to the Galaxy Zoo suggestion:
      Have a look at this book: "Statistics, data mining and machine learning in astronomy" http://www.britastro.org/journ... [britastro.org]
      I have my BS in Physics, but I write software. I think it would be pretty hard at 10 hours a week to pick up the math of most of the advanced topics - even mechanics. But, learning statistics and data mining and having public access to data like the Sloan Survey would put you in the position to make real discoveries as an amateur. And, a modicum of co
  • Community College (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Hit the local community college. At one class per term you can brush up on math and after that's all fresh take a physics/chemistry/astronomy class as you deem appropriate. Once you have the basics down then move on to the MOOCs at least that's my plan.

    • Or, if you don't want to spend anything except for some books, and you're really serious, go for MIT's open courseware. You'll get a lot for free and if you really want to make progress, you can.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 18, 2014 @01:51PM (#47938211)

    Brush up on calculus. Without math, astrophysics, well, anything, really, is just playing with Legos. Khan Academy or a million other sites can assist your math textbook self-study. From there, get an Astrophysics "required courses" guide from a university and have at. Oh, be sure to skip the humanities and other useless classes. O:-)

    • Although if there is an "Astronomy Throughout History" class I'd go take it, because it's really one of the oldest scientific disciplines.
  • Astronomy club? (Score:5, Informative)

    by gstoddart ( 321705 ) on Thursday September 18, 2014 @01:51PM (#47938213) Homepage

    I can't give you any specific advice, but maybe a local astronomy club?

    I know one of the people who discovered Hale-Bopp is a gifted amateur, and I'm quite certain lots of stuff by amateurs happens which is pretty cool.

    In fact, I get the impression lots of amateurs can give coverage which the "pros" can't really do just because of the sheer number of amateurs.

    Good luck with it. Hopefully people can point you at more concrete stuff, but you'd hardly be the first amateur who contributed something to the field if you get there.

    • Re:Astronomy club? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by sandytaru ( 1158959 ) on Thursday September 18, 2014 @03:20PM (#47939121) Journal
      There's also a lot of old and outdated information that can be refreshed/verified. During my freshman year astronomy class in college, we got some telescope time and we were calculating out binary variable stars to confirm that what was measured 50 years ago was still accurate. Ours turned into a paper for our professor when our binary star turned out to have a third star in there, causing faint fluctuations that our modern CCD camera could catch, but the older technology had not been able to detect.
  • The Teaching Company (Score:2, Interesting)

    by alexlm ( 1374833 )
    The Teaching Company has some awesome courses on those topics. Link: http://www.thegreatcourses.com... [thegreatcourses.com] They are taught by college professors and intended for audiences of educated adults, but not those who have majored in the topics of interest. These are a good place to start. With 10 hours a week to watch these, you can pick up quite a bit of background and then go from there. I've watched dozens of their courses and am always impressed! You can often find them used on Amazon for much cheap, and I've even
  • 2 ways (Score:5, Insightful)

    by i.r.id10t ( 595143 ) on Thursday September 18, 2014 @01:51PM (#47938217)

    1) Find your local planetarium and get involved. They may need/want volunteers to conduct shows, etc.

    2) Find a local community college that offers an AA in astronomy or similar field.

    Now, these may be unreliable for you, but the community college I work at has both an AA for astronomy, one for physics (both for transferring to a state university) but we also have a kick ass planetarium that is managed by one of the new Star Gazers. So, at least if you are in N Florida, it could work.

  • by tylikcat ( 1578365 ) on Thursday September 18, 2014 @01:52PM (#47938241)

    It's unlikely you can make the transition to working in the field without some really major sacrifices. (And if you do, it will probably be more on the computational side.) But if you love it for it's own sake I'd suggest talking to local labs and seeing if you can get involved in any projects - especially projects where you can work remotely at least part of the time, since your time is limited. And as a volunteer, you often get to avoid some of the more tedious bits that people who are being paid have to work on. My experience is that people with solid computer skills are needed, and people who will work are needed, and there's way more cool work to be done than there are money and people to do it.

    And, of course, if there are any opportunities for you to work in a paid capacity, you'll be in the perfect position to hear about them.

    I made the transition from tech to computational biochemistry to neurobio - but I had a lot of stock options, and I've been willing to become a grad student, and live mostly like a grad student, which is hard to do when you have a family. And while biomed funding has been cut, there's a lot more of it out there to begin with.

    (I'm not generically saying that people should work for free, BTW. I know for me, research turned out to be what I wanted to be doing when I wasn't worrying about money. Though, um, then there were a couple of stock market crashes...)

    • by plover ( 150551 ) on Thursday September 18, 2014 @02:10PM (#47938479) Homepage Journal

      tl;dr version: How do you make a million dollars in astronomy? Start with ten million dollars.

    • It's unlikely you can make the transition to working in the field without some really major sacrifices. (And if you do, it will probably be more on the computational side.) But if you love it for it's own sake I'd suggest talking to local labs and seeing if you can get involved in any projects - especially projects where you can work remotely at least part of the time, since your time is limited. And as a volunteer, you often get to avoid some of the more tedious bits that people who are being paid have to work on. My experience is that people with solid computer skills are needed, and people who will work are needed, and there's way more cool work to be done than there are money and people to do it.

      I'm not as sure this would work out. Yes, computer skills are very much in demand, but if your background is in IT the only thing you can do independently is IT work, just in astronomy. Astronomy volunteers are typically on the leading tours or administrative side as opposed to the research side. Why? Because it takes several years of PhD work to understand what you're doing and another few just to be able to work semi-independently. I'd also point out that without the ability to work independently, you'll

      • A lot of it is going to depend on the particular project and what skills and qualities the individual can bring to the table. I did have a background in high performance distributed network computing*, and a lot of general systems design work, but nothing beyond that to suggest that I could walk into a computational biochemistry lab and be managing a major project in under a year. I had no biology, very little chemistry, no biochem, certainly not enough physics, and there I am doing MD protein dynamics work

        • Which goes to show how valuable programming skills are. Ideally, PIs want someone with a background in their field and the capabilities of an software engineer. It's very, very hard to find those, so you either get a PhD and tell him/her to learn how to code (often leading to horrible code that does the right thing) or get a software engineer (leading to high quality code but simple mistakes at the conceptual level - particularly since smaller projects have no requirement documents or the like). Typically y

          • There is definitely a lack of people who are a serious about their computer science as they are their science area of interest. (I will spare you the rants, other than to mention that my doctoral work is evenly split between experimental and computational work.) "Programmer" is a bit of a gloss. I mean, technically, yeah, I'm a decent programmer, but I'm a much better designer, auditor and analyst - perhaps "engineer"? I build things and make things work. As a matter of preference, I don't actually like to

  • No (Score:4, Insightful)

    by petes_PoV ( 912422 ) on Thursday September 18, 2014 @01:52PM (#47938245)

    I can only spend maybe 10 hours a week on this

    Since you already have a full life, something would have to give. The amount of time you estimate to be available would get to hobby level: the same as the other thousands of amateur astronomers in the country. But it's not enough to do any serious studying, get qualified or do research to a publishable quality.

    • I can only spend maybe 10 hours a week on this

      Since you already have a full life, something would have to give. The amount of time you estimate to be available would get to hobby level: the same as the other thousands of amateur astronomers in the country. But it's not enough to do any serious studying, get qualified or do research to a publishable quality.

      This.

      I read through the comments to find this comment so that I didn't just post a duplicate if someone else had covered the ground.

      Let me be really blunt about the amount of time you are intending to invest in this project. If you were taking a college course, you should expect to spend 2 hours out of class for each hour you spend in class, and given that you only have 10 hours to dedicate to the idea, that's effectively 3 credit hours for every interval. So if you picked a community college, and they of

    • The amount of time you estimate to be available would get to hobby level

      Unless you're willing to spend 16 years to get there

  • Find an amateur Astronomy club in your area. Go to their events. Meet people. Learn things. Look at shit.

    There are a lot of amateurs that hunt comets and asteroids.

  • As a family man, finding a topic that can involve the kids may fit into your life better. If you like making, optical telescopes can be rewarding. There's the optics, telescope manufacturing and sky trackers (robotics). Nowadays digital photography goes with telescopes.

    If you really want to contribute peripherally, there are lots of open data sets. Contributing code is especially useful.

  • WTF?

    While I can't swim laps or run miles as fast as I could when I was 20, at 48 I sure as hell can out think my younger self.

    • I'm over 50. I doubt that I pick up new stuff as quickly as I did in my 20s, but I have much more discipline and experience.

    • Sadly, various studies support the fact that one mentally 'peaks' at around the mid-20's and then gradually drops after that. Now it's true that lost 'sharpness' can, to some degree, be replaced by gained wisdom. Maybe that's what you're talking about. But could you pick up a new subject as fast as your 20 year old self could? Unlikely.

  • If anyone on Slashdot has made a major career shift into the sciences later in life, I would be very interested to hear that story.

    • I have, as I mentioned above. (Software to computational biochemistry to neurobiology. Of course I did Chinese and political economics as an undergrad...) Currently finishing a doctorate.

  • Some Math Required. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by TechyImmigrant ( 175943 ) on Thursday September 18, 2014 @01:55PM (#47938283) Homepage Journal

    I recommend "The Theoretical Minimum" books as a good starter to get you through to the level of mathematics needed to be able to read the quantum math and vector/tensor calculus used in field equations. Statistical calculus also.

    Once you have these under your belt, comprehending the real physics textbooks and papers will be unlocked.

    This stuff is not hard are impenetrable, but the language is if you don't know it. The language isn't hard or impenetrable. E.G. Vector calculus is much simpler that algebra. Just find a good book or teacher that doesn't blind you with procedure over concepts.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 18, 2014 @01:58PM (#47938305)

    PhD candidate here: are you in the 434 or 919 areas? If so, tell me and I we'll get coffee and see if setting up scheduled lunches gets us somewhere.

    If not, Craigslist. Type "physics" or "physicist" in the meetup section of Craigslist and you'll find lots of budding graduate students or new professors that live to meet people like you.

  • by coldsalmon ( 946941 ) on Thursday September 18, 2014 @02:00PM (#47938333)

    I recall hearing a few stories about amateur astronomers and/or teams detecting exoplanets. See this previous Slashdot article, for example:

    http://science.slashdot.org/st... [slashdot.org]

    Is this the kind of thing that you're interested in?

  • by dogvomit ( 979755 ) on Thursday September 18, 2014 @02:00PM (#47938337)

    I've been a physics professor at a large public university for 22 years, and have taught many introductory classes. (Yes, we are innovating our teaching with new techniques -- different question.)

    You will never learn anything by reading books or watching videos. The only way to learn physics is by working problems. Hard problems, that make you sweat, and lots of them. But you can do this, and with the online resources you could be successful. Also you can pace yourself.

    Ten hours per week is one class. Start with calculus based mechanics, (kinematics, Newton's laws, work-energy theorem, conservation of momentum, energy, and angular momentum.) If you can do the problems in a standard university physics book, then move on to electricity and magnetism. If you get through that and you don't think Maxwell's equations are the most awesome thing ever, then stop.

    Also, never be afraid to learn your math in a physics course. It's the best way.

    Good luck! You could really enjoy this if you will truly work at it for 10 hours per week as you suggest. But like dieting, you have to commit.

    —George

    • I agree generally with the above. For some background lectures, I would suggest Leonard Susskind's lectures [youtube.com]. A highly entertaining lecturer and knows his stuff. But again, the above is true in that the only way to truly understand physics is to do some problems. To combine it with IT, you can try doing simulations of things. Alternatively try your hand at some masters level projects. (eg. these [dur.ac.uk])
    • by MAXOMENOS ( 9802 )

      Also, never be afraid to learn your math in a physics course. It's the best way.

      That kinda depends...I found it was easier just taking more math courses than trying to figure out what the hell my EM professor was doing. Eventually I just switched majors to Math.

    • by NReitzel ( 77941 )

      I have a physics background and have tutored classes in physics for twenty years. The math is key - no math, no physics.

      I would also suggest actually taking a course - with a lecturer, and someone to answer questions, in ordinary differential equations. You will find that a lot of really hard physics problems become easy, once you understand where the derivation lies.

      Don't take a math department course in DiffEq. You will learn to prove that a solution exists, but not how to go about getting one. Instea

  • by pr100 ( 653298 ) on Thursday September 18, 2014 @02:00PM (#47938343)

    You mentioned online courses. There are plenty of good quality ones these days. Some you're expected to work to a particular schedule, some you can do at your own pace. 10 hours a week is plenty.

  • by DiamondGeezer ( 872237 ) on Thursday September 18, 2014 @02:01PM (#47938347) Homepage

    Not to mention my mind isn't as sharp now as it was 20 years ago when I graduated high school.

    Wrong! Unless you have early onset Alzheimer's, your brain can be as sharp or sharper than it was in high school. I'm 49 and doing 2nd year university math, physics and statistics and I'm MUCH better at any of them than I was when I graduated high school.

    Suggestions:

    1. Join an astronomy club (mentioned above, but I'd reinforce it). See the wonder, gain experience and confidence from others.
    2. Buy a small telescope with a motorized mount and learn to do some astrophotography
    3. Do a course or two on edX or coursera - the way to get better at running is to run, the way to get better at science is to do science.
    4. Reading books is good. Doing what the book says is much better.

    Your mind is saying "feed me" so go feed it. You won't regret it.

  • Kerbal Space Program
  • by Shadow2097 ( 561710 ) <shadow2097@nOSpam.gmail.com> on Thursday September 18, 2014 @02:07PM (#47938445)
    The best place to start is by connecting with other people who share the same passions as you. I've similarly been fascinated by astronomy since I was a young child. A few years ago I rekindled my interest by buying a telescope and joining a club in Pittsburgh. I learned more from a few casual conversations with members than I had in months and months of reading and practicing on my own. Now I practice astrophotography and engage in lots of educational and community outreach events, and I owe just about everything to the club I joined. Best of luck, and clear skies!
  • You pick up astronomy with Archimede's lever, duh!

  • Go for it, don't quit your day job, and worst case scenario you never manage to contribute anything major to the field, but you gain a greater understanding of something you find interesting. Best case scenario you excel discover all the mysteries of the universe.

    All you have to lose is the time you spend on it, if it's a passion of yours then you have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Quite frankly, one of the options that I frequently see underrated is simply helping out a professor.

    As an example, my local university (University of Central Florida) was hiring for a position in IT support for exoplanet discovery.
    http://planets.ucf.edu/people/... [ucf.edu]
    http://planets.ucf.edu/researc... [ucf.edu]

    They were looking for someone with a background in IT/process managment/cloudsourcing to help with keeping their cluster computing infrastructure up/functional. I'm sure that they would have accepted a "volunteer"

  • by Mr_Wisenheimer ( 3534031 ) on Thursday September 18, 2014 @02:18PM (#47938579)

    . . . and drawing conclusions. Most of astrophysics is creating models based on a deep understanding of the physics involved in astronomical objects. In both cases, it boils down primarily to having a good understanding of the physics of what you are doing and being good with computer programming and analyzing data.

    The barrier for entry is theoretically really low, because most people have a fast computer. But can you really learn years of physics and astronomy as well as analytical techniques on your own? Quite possibly, especially if you already took the whole lower division math and physics courses as part of another degree (3 Semesters of Physics, 3 semesters of calculus, differential equations, linear algebra, computer programming for science and engineering, statistics). A lot of astronomy is done with the data already available from first class telescopes such as the Hubble and you could probably read all the basic undergraduate and introductory graduate texts on your own.

    On the other hand, if you're coming into the field with no background in math and physics, it's going to be tough to read books full of differential equations, triple integrals, and electromechanics. Could you learn all that math and physics background on your own? Possibly, but you'd probably be best served with night school at the JC.

    On the other hand, amateur astronomy can be fun. You can collaborate with professional astronomers on projects, and you can learn at your own pace without getting bogged down in the details right away. It is a lot more fun to look at Orion nebula through a 12" scope than it is to calibrate it for spectroscopy or photometry and analyze the data.

  • I have several suggestions from the things I do to stay on top of things. I have limited time to devote to my passion but there are things you can do to multitask.

    Podcasts: pick up a used ipod and subscribe to the astronomy related podcasts.

    Kindle: get a used kindle that has the bubble-type keyboard, and let it read books and papers to you. The keyboard lets you start/stop the reader without looking, for in the car use. Download Calibre application and convert online/document resources and copy them to

  • I work as a programmer & sysadmin supporting a solar physics archive. Although most scientists these days have to learn how to program to some degree (to be able to analyze their data), there's still a large number of IT people who work in these fields -- as programmers, sysadmins, DBAs, etc.

    So, if you're in the Tucson, AZ; Menlo Park, CA; Princeton, NJ; or Seattle, WA area, keep an eye on the LSST hiring page [lsst.org].

    There are likely to be other projects out there hiring, but I don't know what their various s

  • 10 hours a week is hobby, period. Hobbies aren't "pointless" and there's a lot of interesting ways for hobbyists to contribute to science. Joining an astronomy club is a great way to get started. But there's grad students and professional researchers who spend 80+ hours a week and if your idea is to keep up with them, then you're probably going to be disappointed.
    • And, the corollary to the parent post is ... even if you will never come up with some breakthrough or advancement in the field ... do it anyway.

      So, you may not get published, or find something which rocks the community. Who gives a damn?

      Do it for yourself. Have fun with it. You're old enough to understand that the reward doesn't come from anything but you.

      After a bunch of years, who knows where you'll end up?

  • I was a kid I've had this deep love and passion for astronomy and astrophysics. This love and passion though never evolved into any formal education or anything beyond just a distant fascination as I got out of high school, into college ...

    So which is it, a "deep love and passion" or "distant fascination"? If the former, your life mistake was not pursuing it in college, etc... If simply the latter, then read a few books about it as a hobby. Either way, with two kids and a full-time job, you probably don't have the time and determination to learn enough to "start contributing back to the field" - at least, not anytime soon.

    Astronomy and/or astrophysics is not just something you pick up over the weekend. As someone once said, "Traveling th

  • In a vague way, one of my hobbies is learning foreign languages. I really don't want to oversell that, but I studied 2 languages after turning 30 and while I wouldn't say I'm fluent in either (I could eventually be with a lot more practice and a real reason to use them though) this goes along with another language I studied in college and am close to fluent in. Additionally I know enough to get by of a 4th language, particularly when reading. What I found is that I could still learn another language afte
  • by cyn1c77 ( 928549 ) on Thursday September 18, 2014 @02:30PM (#47938683)

    Start reading it. They go through the basics and have articles on how amateurs can contribute to research.

    But you really need to limit your expectations. Observational astronomy (even amateur-style) requires several hours of daytime prep work, followed by 1-2 hours of equipment setup and familiarization, before you even embark in a 3-4 hour observation run. After an observing run, you might have another 2-10 hours of data processing to do.

    If you have a wife, two kids, and a day job, you will get pretty tired pretty quick.

    Good equipment (solid mount, high quality telescope, imaging system, star stracker) is not cheap either and, sadly, most people need to invest in or borrow good equipment before they can really evaluate if they like it or if they want to stick with it.

  • True Story...

    I wanted to do this when I was about 30... We have a very prestigious college here so I went there, to the physics lab and sat down with a professor.

    He said if I came in with strait A's in math... maybe... otherwise it was an unqualified "No"
    He went on to say that if I didn't have strait A's in math to go to the local community college and take math courses that were specifically linked to the University. They have classes that do carry credit at the university. If I could get a 4.0+ in advance

  • There are a number of projects out there that have far more data than they can parse. I know Kepler's exoplanet search, for instance, requires confirmation from ground-based telescopes, and there are some student/amateur based astronomy projects that are available for anybody to help with.

    As far as physics goes, Khan Academy is a fantastic resource - you can get through advanced high school/basic undergraduate physics with those videos, and all of the math you will need for that level is also available. T
  • There are physics jobs out there, but most of the jobs that are specifically about physics require a PHd. I work as a Radiation Effects Engineer, which involves a fair bit of physics (we test electronics for radiation susceptibility at particle accelerators) but almost certainly requires a degree in either physics or electrical engineering. Many people in the field have a master's or PHd.

    So, honestly, if you want "physicist" to be somewhere in your job title, you will need a PHd, no way around it. If you
  • http://www.amazon.com/The-Road... [amazon.com]

    I spent a couple of years in grad school studying theoretical physics, and this is an excellent learning book.

  • by dlevitan ( 132062 ) on Thursday September 18, 2014 @02:43PM (#47938809)

    I was an astronomer until I left the field last year after I graduated with my PhD. First, I definitely think it's great you want to contribute to research. My personal suggestion is to find a local astronomy club and see what they're doing. Find some books, news articles, etc... to read. That will hopefully give you a decent introduction. If you live near a university with a decent astrophysics program, you can also see if they have any public lectures or, if you want something more intense, attend seminars (though they're typically during the day). They're typically open to the public, but you should probably e-mail first just to double check. There are also things like Galaxy Zoo and similar projects that let you get involved without any commitment.

    If you want to get more serious, you should think about what you want to do. Do you want to do any research? Participate in volunteer activities? Just go observing? For the latter, local astronomy clubs (or star parties) would be a good first start. Some of the big observatories also have programs for amateur observing. Mauna Kea is absolutely amazing for this - every night at the visitor center they bring out some decent sized telescopes (decent sized for seeing with your eyes) and there's usually a bunch of volunteers to help understand what they're pointing them at. Oftentimes dedicated amateurs will come up as well with even bigger telescopes and are happy to share. You also sometimes get professional astronomers who hang out there (like I did a few nights) though the amateurs are usually better at describing what you're seeing (professional astronomy is all about physics - not pretty images).

    If you live near a big observatory (mostly southwest US, California, or Hawaii) you can also try to volunteer to be a docent there or something similar. Many of the observatories have some program for volunteers to help lead tours, attend public talks by researchers, and similar. The more dedicated volunteers get some perks, like joining for observing runs, seeing some of the behind-the-scenes things at the telescopes, and similar.

    On the research side, it's a lot harder and a lot more investment (time, money, or both). To be able to do semi-independent research in astronomy you'd need to basically do a PhD. That's 40-50 hours a week (at least) for 5-7 years. It's hard. You can do more limited things though. For example, the AAVSO [aavso.org] (American Association of Variable Star Observers) is a great organization that organizes observing of variable stars and provides some support to write up the results. Amateur data has been used in many papers. But, this requires having your own telescope that can take scientific quality images. You can also work on data analysis, but this will definitely require some time to understand how to do it. I'd also point out that most people underestimate how hard it is to write a scientific paper. Especially your first one.

    As for going into it professionally, I agree with others who have said there are few jobs in the field. Especially if you have a family, it would be very hard to start from scratch.

  • Preferably, considering your age, one with WIFI that sends the image directly to your iPad, so that you don't have to freeze your ass off in the garden.

  • Many of Robert Heinlein works were truly Science Fiction. His characters' travels around the Solar System [heinleinsociety.org], for example, are described enumerating the challenges and details such travel are likely to have in real life. He also has several descriptions of human life outside of Earth — on Ganymede [wikipedia.org], on Mars [heinleinsociety.org], and on the Moon [wikipedia.org]. None of the descriptions were patently unscientific, when they were written (knowing what we do now, he would not have described life on Venus as he did, of course).

    He wrote many of

  • You just need to spend time where they hang out...

  • Go to your local library and look at that 520's for Astronomy and the 530's for Physics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L... [wikipedia.org] I guarantee you will find a beautiful modern book at esactly your level there.
  • I've gone through this. Here's how you do it.

    Start gathering a few popular science books on subjects directly on and also near to your goal. Some people reject popular science books as too light weight, but it does have value. This exposes you to the variety of subjects in and around your interest. You might not have been aware of some aspects of your topic and you are introduced to them here without too much effort. You also learn to associate detailed technical topics to the wider areas where they are us

  • 10,000 hour rule... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by David_Hart ( 1184661 ) on Thursday September 18, 2014 @03:30PM (#47939249)

    It's been proposed that it takes about 10,000 hours to get really good at anything. At 10 hours per week, 40 weeks a year (dropped to 40 to account for breaks), equals 400 hours a year. 10,000 / 400 = 25 years. So, if you keep at it, by the time you get to be about retirement age you would be at the point where you could contribute back to the field. Plus, on retirement, you could dedicate more time...

    Some things take less than 10,000 hours to master. However, astronomy is a wide open concept with a lot of moving parts (literally)...

    Good luck and, most important of all, have fun....

  • Astronomers produce tons of data and need IT experts to manage their data centers, etc. You could try to get one of these jobs. Probably they do not pay great but you could make a real contribution to research using your existing expertise.

  • Your answer depends on how serious you are about this. Since you want to "contribute back to the field", it sounds like grad school is the way to go. But then you say that you can't spend more than 10 hours a week on open courseware, so I'm not sure how willing you are to leave IT.

    In your situation, you might try to get involved in scientific programming, and simulation work. In this case, your IT background will be an asset, and you will also be working on physics.

  • Probably. I went back around age 45 to get a physics B.A. at a local state university with a small department so I could teach high school science (had 2 prior undergrad degrees in Econ and CS). I wasn't planning to do any astronomy or astrophysics, but I needed a few more hours, and the school had a 32" observatory, a Harvard-trained astrophysicist, and several interesting classes. The teaching gig afterwards didn't work out, but I'm so glad I studied astrophysics. Independent amateur researchers absolutel
  • I'm like this guy, wanted to be an astronomer but went into CS because it was the lazy easy thing.

    Now I'm probably going to retire in a few years and would like to do something that matters before I'm too dumb and slow. I doubt I'll ever learn enough physics to advance the science, but I've seen what passes for software in academic settings, and I could certainly make the software suck less.

    So what kind of software does astronomy need?

  • I am now a research physicist, doing experimental condensed matter physics, but when I was an undergraduate physics major, I got a research job in my sophomore year working for an astrophysicist, for what was nominally 10 hours per week. It is true that getting a Ph.D. in grad school probably requires about 20,000 hours of work, and this is if you start with a physics/astrophysics undergraduate degree, but I was able to start contributing to research with very little background. This was in the early 1990s,

  • Start here, Einstein and Infeld. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Evolution_of_Physics

  • Join the http://www.aavso.org/ [aavso.org] and do some amateur work for them. Observing targets continuously is really important. The work is necessary - big money telescopes just don't have the time to do this sort of stuff.

    Alternatively go the Mechanical Turk route and look at citizen science, finding things like exoplanets or interesting things in heaps of data. There's the possibility for publication there, but it's slim.

    Realistically you're not going to be able to do anything worth publishing with 10 hours a

  • Start going outside on clear nights, skip prime time and then some, look up -- and then (it's a sign of awe) start wondering like... a kid.

  • by floateyedumpi ( 187299 ) on Thursday September 18, 2014 @04:36PM (#47939915)
    Here's your best and most direct path: use your IT skills to leverage an engineering job in the field. I have seen many technically inclined IT engineers and programmers take this route. Step-by-step:
    • Immediately: take an introductory astronomy course at a local community college or continuing education program at your local university to demonstrate your interest,
    • Then: assess your IT skills, and apply them directly to the support of an upcoming large ground- or space-based observatory. This is an especially sensible route if you do any database related work. The future of astronomy is big data and massive virtual observatories which collect together and make useful petabytes of information from a wide variety of facilities.
    • Check the job listings at the American Astronomical Society [aas.org], looking in particular for IT support positions where your domain knowledge would outrank that of PhD-trained astronomers (who learn to program "on the job" and rarely master grittier back-end systems). Realize that almost all existing and (especially) new astronomical facilities have substantial IT/engineering staff, and that your skills do not exist among traditional PhD scientists. Example: the LSST [lsst.org] will produce 30 TB of data per night, which needs to be processed in semi-real time. Example #2: the incredibly successful Sloan Digital Sky Survey [sdss.org] partnered with Microsoft database engineers to build its (at the time) state-of-the-art public-facing data archive. The late Jim Gray was instrumental in building the Sloan backend, and said his favorite thing about astronomical data is that it was "worthless" (by which he meant the usual access control layers were not necessary, freeing him to focus on much more rewarding and useful tools).
    • Relocate to a mission control or operations center for the facility. These are often located at major research universities, or equivalent national facilities like the Space Telescope Science Institute in Baltimore, the National Radio Observatory in Charlottesville, VA, the Gemini Observatories (Hawaii/Tucson/Chile), etc. Advantage? You will very likely be immediately mixed in with groups of professional astronomers. You will be strongly encouraged to learn to speak their language, and to become more involved in the scientific aspects of the project. You will learn a great deal just through osmosis. You will likely be able to attend seminars, sit in on classes, bend the ear of willing faculty, etc. And the most significant advantage? You could be contributing directly to the forefront of astrophysics research within 3-5 years. Disadvantages: the pay might be somewhat less than similar background applied in the financial or health industries. Often the intellectual rewards bring talented engineers anyway. Also, may projects are time limited, so you positions are typically not permanent (but new projects are coming online all the time).
    • There have been unusually many good answers here, but this is the best one so far. This is the most realistic way to make a useful contribution to astronomy for the original poster, and it does not involve 25 years of training before probably not getting there.

  • Check out Kerbal Space Program [kerbalspaceprogram.com]. You can build rockets, send them into orbit, land on the moon, and learn about concepts like apoapsis, retrograde burns, orbital transfers, and learn astrophysics -- plus it's simple enough I've seen multiple dads who have a blast playing with their kids. It runs on Linux/Mac/Windows and has a good free demo.

    ...but does it really teach orbital mechanics? Oblig XKCD [xkcd.com] says yes;)

  • First let me say that I know very little about astronomy, other than what's available on the internet. However generally people that are into astronomy are pretty open to folks like you (don't rely on slashdot alone), and would probably be very willing to point you in the right direction. I have a few friends that dabble in the subject, and it seems to be somewhat of a community that depends on sharing info, sorta like the farming community.

    MIT Open Courseware has some online courses for free that cover these topics, but given I can only spend maybe 10 hours a week on this would it be a pointless venture? Not to mention my mind isn't as sharp now as it was 20 years ago when I graduated high school.

    Try out those courses, only time will tell. As far as your mind's

  • You might be interested on Slooh (http://www.slooh.com) which is pronounced like "slew", as in the motion of a telescope turning on its mount.

    Slooh lets you control telescopes in the Canary Islands or Chile, for a modest subscription fee. You might start out getting your own images of nearby planets, or collect the moons of Jupiter and Saturn, and then move on to more distant objects. You can do this on your own, but you can also collaborate with other Slooh members. Some of them are working to track

  • Figure out what you really want to do with this. Do you want to understand everything very broadly? Do you want to become a specialist in a particular niche?

    If the answer is broad understanding, lookup dogvomit's post and take the traditional coursework in the traditional order at your pace. There are sets of problems honed over the last 100 years to train people to think like physicists. Then you can go read Einstein and dense particle physics books; that's a lot of fun but probably won't go anywhere. Ve

  • There's something of a dearth of material out there for people who want to learn STEM topics on a casual basis and are somewhere in between a layperson and a specialist. Most of what you can find to read is either written for the general public (popular science books and magazines) or dry scientific papers. I've also had a lifelong interest in science, but did not pursue it as a career, and it's always a challenge to find stuff which I can read and yet which hasn't had the details filtered out...

    "Science

  • Christ on a shingle, what's up with the "Will it be a pointless venture?" You already answered that when you said you wouldn't be the next Neil deGrasse Tyson or Carl Sagan. If that's your only limitation, then there's a lot of room between doing nothing and being in the top 100 recognized members of the pack.

    And, even if it is a pointless venture, who cares? A person doesn't need to justify his choice of hobby and we all need our recreation time. Astronomy and astrophysics seems to be a place where an amat

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