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Ask Slashdot: Why Is the Caps Lock Key Still So Prominent On Keyboards? 698

Esther Schindler writes: The developers at .io are into tracking things, I guess. In any case, a few weeks back they decided to track team performance in terms of keyboard and mouse activity during the working day. They installed a simple Chrome plugin on every Macbook and collected some statistics. For instance, developers have fewer keypresses than editors and managers—around 4k every day. Managers type more than 23k characters per day. And so on. Some pretty neat statistics.

But the piece that jumped out at me was this: "What's curious—the least popular keys are Capslock and Right Mouse Button. Somewhere around 0.1% of all keypresses together. It's time to make some changes to keyboards." I've been whining about this for years. Why is it that the least-used key on my keyboard is not just in a prominent position, but also bigger than most other keys? I can I invest in a real alternate keyboard with a different layout (my husband's a big fan of the Kinesis keyboards, initially to cope with carpal tunnel). But surely it's time to re-visit the standard key layout? What keys would you eliminate or re-arrange?
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  • by 140Mandak262Jamuna ( 970587 ) on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @01:22PM (#50206541) Journal
    The Capslock key inherited the position occupied by the Shift-Lock key. Some keyboards still mark it as shift-lock. In the old mechanical typewriters, the shift lock actually moved the entire framework holding the rack of all the levers that held the letters. It required considerable force to push.
    • by T.E.D. ( 34228 )

      The Capslock key inherited the position occupied by the Shift-Lock key. Some keyboards still mark it as shift-lock. In the old mechanical typewriters, the shift lock actually moved the entire framework holding the rack of all the levers that held the letters. It required considerable force to push.

      ...and you could tell from the look and feel of the shift key that it was down. And using the shift key automatically unlocked the shift lock (on many keyboards at least).

      If you really want to have that key, it probably ought to go back to that: some kind of mechanical lock on the shift key. Perhaps a smallish button actually physically on one corner of the left shift key.

    • by SoftwareArtist ( 1472499 ) on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @01:48PM (#50206985)

      I wish it still behaved as shift-lock: affecting all characters, not just letters. When I use caps lock, it's almost always because I'm typing an environment variable or #defined constant. And that means I'm going to be typing lots of _ characters. If caps lock behaved like shift lock, I wouldn't have to press shift for every one of them.

      • Comment removed (Score:5, Insightful)

        by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @02:46PM (#50207903)
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        • by unrtst ( 777550 ) on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @03:44PM (#50208551)

          Maybe it's time underscore was its own key anyway...

          How about where the capslock is now

    • by IcyWolfy ( 514669 ) on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @05:04PM (#50209293) Homepage

      This would be horrible for anyone using Swiss German Keyboard Layout.
      CAPS is a separate keyboard state.
      CAPS ON, Key !== SHIFT+Key

      ü = ü
      Shift-ü = è
      CAPS ON, ü = Ü
      CAPS ON, Shift-ü = È

      Because the relevant part of the layout:
            o p ü
            k l ö ä $

      With Shift
          O P è !
          K L é à £

      Caps Lock
            O P Ü
            K L Ö Ä $

      Caps+SHIFT
            O P È !
            K L É À $

      Thus, CAPS-ON + key != Shift + key.

    • I just asked my wife, a user, if she ever uses the CAPS key. She works for the U.S. Government. She states that all government software forms in their office are filled out in CAPS because a lot of judges and elder officials who review the documents are older and can't read normal text as well as CAPS. Obviously this is a larger, systemic problem, but to my wife who cannot control these policies, the CAPS key being in a prominent position helps her greatly. Very interesting POV!
  • by shankarunni ( 1002529 ) on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @01:23PM (#50206553)

    1. CapsLock. Grr.

    2. The numeric keypad on 15" laptops. Why? Why?! Why?!! It causes the rest of the keys to get scrunched up and moved to unnatural positions, and positions the trackpad offset left upto 3 or 4 inches, which makes for a horrible experience for a right-handed typist. The trackpad should ALWAYS be centered.

    3. But please bring back full-size Page Up/Down keys (with maybe a shift action to Begin/End). I'm looking at you, Macbook Pro! Don't run and hide..

  • The power button (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ShieldW0lf ( 601553 ) on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @01:24PM (#50206563) Journal

    Hey, I hardly ever press the power button, lets get rid of that one.

    Idiots

    • by Fortran IV ( 737299 ) on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @02:05PM (#50207285) Journal
      Bingo. The whole point of the Caps Lock key is that you don't have to press it over and over. "...Around 0.1% of all keypresses" is a completely useless measurement. A measurement of how many other keys were pressed while the Caps Lock was on might actually mean something.

      That said, the size and placement of Caps Lock are simply a historical accident. If keyboard manufacturers wanted to halve the size and stick another key left of A, that would be fine with me. (The "context menu" key that's missing from so many keyboards these days would be a great choice.)
      • People don't seem to understand the point of typing multiple capital letters in a row, as they hold shift with a pinky to type COBOL or UNIX. Chromebooks put that useless search button where capslock goes.
    • I agree. The fools. I work in IT, and have type a lot of things in caps, like certain DNS names, acronyms, and a few other items. At home, I use a Shift-JIS layout for Japanese, and it's one method I switch back and forth between Alpha/Kana/IME input. Right-click has come in handy a few times when my wireless mouse has died and had to go on the charger - then have to re-sync my backup bluetooth mouse. To extend this discussion - I rarely use my backups. Let's get rid of those!
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      To be fair though, putting power and sleep buttons on the keyboard was a monumentally stupid idea. It's far too easy to accidentally hit them.

  • Really? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Dr. Eggman ( 932300 ) on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @01:24PM (#50206571)
    "They installed a simple Chrome plugin on every Macbook [...] the least popular keys are Capslock and Right Mouse Button"

    You don't say!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @01:25PM (#50206579)

    Old School Fun Fact: If the computer looks hung or otherwise nonresponsive, if you can toggle the caps lock LED, then the OS is still alive.

    • Num Lock and Scroll Lock also provide the same functionality, but the positioning of Caps Lock just makes it convenient.
      • Does anyone use Scroll Lock for anything?
        • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @02:30PM (#50207653)

          I've long wanted a game where you are a wizard, and thieves steal your scrolls, unless you Scroll Lock. But then you can't use the scrolls, until you toggle it back. It would be pretty perfect.

          Scroll Lock is legitimately used in spreadsheets, but very rarely today. It's generally good that there is some modal switch anyway. It's so rare to find some future expandable slots on a keyboard, you know?

  • by spacemky ( 236551 ) * <nick.aryfi@com> on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @01:25PM (#50206585) Homepage Journal

    Working in IT, and frequently watching desktop users, I was surprised to learn that MANY people actually use the Caps Lock key as shift. To make a capital letter, they will turn on caps, press the letter, then turn off caps. I've see 3 people in the last year do this!

  • REALLY? (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @01:25PM (#50206591)

    "Why Is the Caps Lock Key Still So Prominent On Keyboards?"

    HAS THE OP BEEN ON THE INTERNET AT ALL? EVER?

    Although, I do like to imagine some of the rage typists are actually holding in the [Shift] key...

    • "Why Is the Caps Lock Key Still So Prominent On Keyboards?"

      HAS THE OP BEEN ON THE INTERNET AT ALL? EVER?

      Although, I do like to imagine some of the rage typists are actually holding in the [Shift] key...

      NO KIDDING! CAPS LOCK IS very HANDY WHEN SHOUTING AT PEOPLES!

    • THIS111

      I wish I had mod points... Also, the assumption that the caps lock key isn't being used because it is pressed infrequently is disingenuous.

    • Ha!

      I started in mainframe days when SO MANY PROGRAMMERS I KNEW TYPED IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ONLY THING THE COMPILER UNDERSTOOD.

      And then those people tried to use email, and thought that it was perfectly fine to write all non-programming correspondence that way. Including my brother-in-law... and you can't tell your BiL he's an idiot. Not if you want your sister to keep talking to you.

  • I've tried re-mapping it (Windows occasionally chokes, needing a reboot).

    .
    I've tried removing the key top (bruise on my finger when I accidentally hit it).

    Why is this throwback to punch cards still around?

  • by xxxJonBoyxxx ( 565205 ) on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @01:27PM (#50206621)

    I can't believe that "Scroll Lock" is used more often than "Caps Lock"

    >> least popular keys are...Right Mouse Button

    I'm guessing their "developers" don't actually use an IDE. Even on my Mac I use a two-button mouse just to get context-sensitive menus.

    • by Lisias ( 447563 )

      I can't believe that "Scroll Lock" is used more often than "Caps Lock"

      >> least popular keys are...Right Mouse Button

      I'm guessing their "developers" don't actually use an IDE. Even on my Mac I use a two-button mouse just to get context-sensitive menus.

      Half baked researches from half baked researchers about half assed developers.

      (A lot of web designers are calling themselves "developers" nowadays)

    • by mccalli ( 323026 ) on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @01:39PM (#50206795) Homepage
      The study was performed on a MacBook keyboard. There is no scroll lock, print screen, pause, insert, home, end, page up, page down...

      As a MacBook user myself, I actually miss the insert for shift-insert cut'n'paste on ssh sessions. Other than that, I'm fine with all the others being missing. The right-click is interesting - do they literally mean right-click, or do they mean the context-sensitive event (two fingered click on a trackpad)? On a MacBook I would have thought the second one, and I also use that a fair amount.
    • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

      They were using a Chrome plugin as a key logger so presumably this only reflects input to their web browser. Not surprising the managers had higher activity than the "developers" either.

    • Yeah for function documentation or "jump to declaration" kinda stuff... But once you start to use that often enough you start to look for and then use the keyboard shortcut.

  • by FudRucker ( 866063 ) on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @01:28PM (#50206633)
    this makes the caps lock and escape keys switch places

    ! Swap caps lock and escape
    remove Lock = Caps_Lock
    keysym Escape = Caps_Lock
    keysym Caps_Lock = Escape
    add Lock = Caps_Lock
    • Unfortunately it's hard to get xmodmap to play nicely in cases like hotplugging keyboards or using Gnome, at least under Linux. There is a standard option for swapping caps lock and control (or escape, or several other similar options), but if you want a layout option that isn't built-in, then prepare yourself for a world of frustration.

  • SubjectsSuck (Score:4, Interesting)

    by aardvarkjoe ( 156801 ) on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @01:28PM (#50206637)

    I can I invest in a real alternate keyboard with a different layout...

    You could also invest in a tool to remap the key next to 'A' to "Control," like God intended. You don't need to get a whole new keyboard. Write on the key with a marker if you're the kind of person that looks at key labels when you're typing.

    • You could also invest in a tool to remap the key next to 'A' to "Control," like God intended.

      Do you really need to "invest in a tool" to do that? If so, let me know and I'll sell you one. Price varies, depending on how much you have.

  • by ichthus ( 72442 ) on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @01:29PM (#50206653) Homepage
    We talked about this ad naseum back when Chromebooks were about to hit the market. A better question is, why don't keypads (the 10 key-like group of buttons on the right of a PC keyboard) have TAB, SHIFT+TAB and Backspace keys. This would make it much easier to navigate and enter data in web forms and spreadsheets with only one hand. Idunno -- just a thought.
  • by mwvdlee ( 775178 ) on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @01:30PM (#50206669) Homepage

    The three keys on the top-right
    - Print screen/SysRequest: a poor man's screengrabber at best
    - Scroll Lock: does something in MS Office, though I know not what.
    - Pause/Break: as far as I know, does absolutely nothing in any application.

    • by ewhac ( 5844 )

      Scroll Lock: does something in MS Office, though I know not what.

      Dunno how Office (mis-)uses it, but the FreeBSD console uses Scroll Lock to freeze the console and let you page up and down through the scrollback buffer.

      • On Excel, scroll lock toggles the action of the arrow keys. With lock off, they move the selected cell one step at a time. With lock on, they move the view one page at a time. The second mode is useful if you work with truly huge spreadsheets.

  • Please!

    And give us back our reset button, and disk activity light, so I know if the machine froze up! What the hell is the matter with you people?

    And you can have my right mouse button when you can pry it from my cold dead hands.

    • With SSDs you can't even hear the drive going - that activity light is more important than ever!

      • by lgw ( 121541 )

        Oddly enough, I've always been able to hear my SSDs (of various brands) when they were accessed, at least in a quiet room. I've always wondered why.

  • It will be great if it can be some efforts to try to consolidate the keyboards worldwide to have the same number of keys, key shapes and distributions. Why the US Keyboard has a smaller "enter" key compared to the Latin America Keyboard? I fell more important having a big enter key :)

    After consolidating the world's keyboards, you can remove with CapsLock key with a knife :)
  • I use the capslock all the time. Of course I'm an engineer and I switch between documents (regular case) and drawings (all upper case) so it gets a pretty big workout. Gotta say the same for my right mouse button - and the center scroll, tool. NumLock, though - that's a pretty rare beast for me; typically only gets used when it's accidentally turned off.

  • I didn't read the article (this is slashdot after all), but if it's a chrome plugin, would that register key presses outside the browser? The caps key is basically never used in a browser. On my job, users rely on caps lock to type into forms inside our iseries system.

    In my opinion the least used key is the scroll lock and the pause key

  • You'd prefer this, maybe? [lenovo.com]

    That abomination was the keyboard Lenovo inflicted on the world on their Thinkpad Carbon X1 (2nd. gen). This presumably was green-lit by the same Very Serious People who approved the bundling of the SuperFish on "select" laptops.

    Lenovo seems to have since learned their lesson; the Carbon X1 3rd gen has a proper keyboard, and proper buttons above the touchpad.

  • Obligatory bash.org (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Junta ( 36770 ) on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @01:35PM (#50206733)

    http://bash.org/?835030 [bash.org]

    That aside, just don't screw with things. You mention caps lock, which I don't use, but any change is likely to just screw with muscle memory and not have any practical benefit except as some symbolic gesture against caps lock. For example, see second gen X1 carbon which replaced caps lock with home and end keys.

    There is also the troubling by the way mention of the right mouse button. For the love of god do not advocate screwing with the right mouse button. You don't often need it, but when you do, all the schemes that try to de-emphasize it's footprint really screw with you and again *nothing of value is gained*.

  • CAPS-LOCK (Score:4, Funny)

    by mwvdlee ( 775178 ) on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @01:37PM (#50206765) Homepage

    Obviously caps-lock is the least used key. you press it only once after boot, then no more.

  • by GoodNewsJimDotCom ( 2244874 ) on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @01:37PM (#50206775)
    Dude1:"HI GUYS! HOW IS EVERYONE?"

    Dude2:"Hey. Doing okay. You?"

    Dude1:"COULDN'T BE BETTER! ANYTHING GOING ON?"

    Dude2:"There's a caps lock key on your keyboard, press it."

    Dude1"OH! THANK YOU! IT'S SO MUCH EASIER TYPING NOW NOT HAVING TO HOLD SHIFT."
  • On the newer Latitude laptops, Dell moved the Home and End keys down onto the arrow keys and made them Fn enabled. It is really frustrating because I often use Home and End when editing text, often in conjunction with Shift or Control to manipulate large blocks of text.

    This of course has nothing to do with TFA, but this is /. and I need to rant damn it.

  • no way to argue for caps lock, what with the lameness filter.
  • I agree it's pretty neat, but do they have this data in a more readable form? As in one, that doesn't have a million cartoon images interspersed with one sentence? I don't mean to be a crank, but I found it difficult to read. Even more so than the regular site!

  • Keys that never get used ever because they are no longer useful:
    Sys Rq
    Scroll Lock
    Pause/Break

    Let's put Caps Lock where Scroll Lock is currently. Caps Lock is occasionally useful but the key word is occasionally. Most of the time it is just annoying and it is WAY too prominent on the keyboard.

    Personally I'd get rid of the Windows key too since I never ever use it but I know some people actually do. Freaks... ;-)

  • On the Colemak keyboard layout the Caps Lock has been assigned to work as a 2nd backspace key. This would be much more useful if I remembered to use it.

  • Dvorak. (Score:4, Informative)

    by briancox2 ( 2417470 ) on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @01:44PM (#50206927) Homepage Journal
    This is the opportunity the obscure Dvorak Keyboard crowd has been waiting for to finally fix the layout of keys.

    Organize now. Latch on to this issue. Or you'll miss your chance.
  • by DeathToBill ( 601486 ) on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @01:46PM (#50206955) Journal

    To give you a nice, big, easy-to-reach key you can remap to Control.

  • CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL.
    Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

  • Oh goodie, another standard keyboard layout. Because getting rid of the "esc" key and putting an additional key in the bottom row worked so well for DEC.

    But getting used to yet another keyboard layout... I'll leave that to the keyboard experimenters. I have actual work to do.

  • by Rob Riggs ( 6418 ) on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @01:49PM (#50207013) Homepage Journal

    SO THE OLD GEEZERS WHO ONLY GREW UP WITH TELETYPE MACHINES CAN COMMUNICATE WITH ONE ANOTHER.

    Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.
    Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.
    Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.
    Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.
    Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.
    Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.
    Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

    WHAT'S THAT YOU SAY?

  • by gstoddart ( 321705 ) on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @01:52PM (#50207057) Homepage

    Because the world doesn't want every idiot who thinks he's made a better keyboard constantly mucking about with stuff for the sake of it.

    Some of us have been typing for decades, and simply don't care that you think it's time to redesign the keyboard.

    "It's time to make some changes to keyboards" -- No, that's your opinion, it isn't fact.

    You want a custom keyboard, buy it or make it. But don't be such an arrogant ass as to assume we give a damn about you whining about it. We don't need some damned keyboard designed by a fucking committee.

    What a stupid article.

  • by Locke2005 ( 849178 ) on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @01:57PM (#50207149)
    I have a different (possibly more stupid) question: why are computer numeric keypads and phone keypads reversed from each other? This gets even worse when entering your pin for a bank; I've seen both layouts used by banks. I think the answer is, "That's the way we've always done it!" Somebody made an arbitrary and capricious decision many years ago, and nobody has had the wherewithall to change it. Another "standard" that bothers me: In the transition to digital video, they had the chance to do away with the PAL/NTSC dual-standard nonsense... but they still chose to support both 50 and 60 FPS video?!? As I understand, even 4K video comes in both 50 and 60 frames per second variety, because obviously we still need to synchronize our video to our AC line current...
  • by LihTox ( 754597 ) on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @02:14PM (#50207411)

    It's actually really easy to turn Caps Lock into Control (or Command) on OSX; it's in the Keyboard preference panel, under the button "Modifier Keys".

  • Comment removed (Score:4, Interesting)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @02:33PM (#50207685)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by sdxxx ( 471771 ) on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @02:33PM (#50207687)
    I love the Caps Lock key. I just happen to swap it with Escape, which is very handy when using vi or many other programs (even bash, where some key combinations use Escape). I was very sad when Google got rid of it on some early Chromebooks. I think it's great that such a prime piece of keyboard real estate is unused, because it let's people repurpose it for whatever they want.
  • by Cyberax ( 705495 ) on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @02:49PM (#50207945)
    I'm using CapsLock as a layout switching key, lots of other people use it as a second 'esc'.

    And why would you remove it, anyway?

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