Ask Slashdot: What Would You Do If You Were Suddenly Wealthy? 842
An anonymous reader writes: There are a few articles floating around today about comments from Markus Persson, aka "Notch," the creator of Minecraft. He sold his game studio to Microsoft last year for $2.5 billion, but he seems to be having a hard time adjusting to his newfound fame and wealth. He wrote, "The problem with getting everything is you run out of reasons to keep trying, and human interaction becomes impossible due to imbalance. ... Found a great girl, but she's afraid of me and my life style and went with a normal person instead. I would Musk and try to save the world, but that just exposes me to the same type of a$#@%&*s that made me sell minecraft again." While he later suggests he was just having a bad day, he does seem to be dealing with some isolation issues. Granted, it can be hard to feel sorry for a billionaire, but I've wondered at times how I'd handle sudden wealth like that, and I long ago decided it would make the human relationships I'm accustomed to rather difficult. So, how would you deal with Notch's problem? It seems like one the tech industry should at least be aware of, given the focus on startup culture.
For starters... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:For starters... (Score:5, Insightful)
Go talk to Jimmy Carter and see if you can continue some of the great work he did.
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I know you're trolling a bit here, but if you want specific evidence of something Carter has done right, check out the Guinea Worm Eradication program. The Carter Center is a major part of this initiative, that is reducing (with the goal of eliminating) a painful and debilitating parasitic condition. Cases of Guinea Worm have dropped from over 3 million yearly in the early 80's to less than 100 so far this year (W.H.O. stats). The Guinea Worm life cycle requires human infection, so once this thing is gone, it's totally gone.
Re:For starters... (Score:5, Informative)
What you said, and more.
Six diseases are being fought by the Carter Center
http://www.cartercenter.org/he... [cartercenter.org]
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Re:For starters... (Score:5, Insightful)
Frankly, nothing Carter has done is of any worth except for Habitat for Humanity.
Carter was involved in negotiating several peace agreements in Africa and Asia. He has also helped improve the legitimacy of numerous elections. Peace and democracy are worthwhile.
Re:For starters... (Score:5, Interesting)
What would I do?
Well, I'd leave work so fast the door wouldn't come within a mile of my ass hitting it on the way out. While I *might* stay long enough to be a nice guy, maybe give the passwords to someone, I'm outta there.
People that say they'd keep working, not me. I don't understand that, I have PLENTY of things I like to do that can keep my occupied for the rest of my life.
I"d likely but a nicer house here in New Orleans...one in maybe Denver, CO to go when too hot here, and maybe one in Key West or somewhere near a beach when I felt in that mood.
Married? Hell no....why get married when you can now be free to chase pussy 24/7...or if nothing else, do the sugardaddy.com thing...cute, good looking girls, and you get to upgrade models at will without having to risk losing half your shit you own.
But more seriously, the world is your oyster if you are that rich. Travel, see things..hell, you can see and do a lot without ever leaving the US.
I have plenty of friends around the US, so, I don't really need more. I'd take care of them and their families (the ones that are married)...and well, just have fun.
I have never understood the lottery winners who'd just keep working. I've got a ton of stuff I'd rather be doing at any point in the day.
Heck, on some long times in between contracts, one time was 7mos...I'd wake up about 8-9am, go walk the dog...maybe jump on my motorcycle and hit the gym daily for 1-2 hours. Home for lunch, then maybe back on the motorcycle (summer/early fall) and go check out a new art museum or something here in NOLA...and maybe catch a fest or meet friends of mine getting off work at a bar for a few about 4pm....come home...lather, rinse, repeat.
Personally I never got tired of that easy life..and hey, if I was rich and got bored, I could always travel somewhere and vacation from that!!!
Yep, I'm sorry, I dunno how someone could be rich and miserable.
If it is so bad, gimme the money and let me take a swing at that type of life. I assure you, I'll have no problems.
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Didn't Carter get a Nobel prize for the North Korean's agreeing to not make nuclear weapons?
No. The Nobel Committee didn't even mention North Korea in their award statement.
Re:For starters... (Score:5, Interesting)
Or just do random acts of kindness - pay off a whole neighborhood's mortgages, or something. Help some disadvantaged kids get better teachers, provide clean water or infrastructure in developing countries, donate money to interesting research projects. Help unemployed people learn new trades. There's plenty to do, and it might help with his social isolation as well.
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Exactly. Even with $2.5B, this guy can't afford to pay off everyone's mortgage in the US. So if he pays off some neighborhood's mortgages, he'll have everyone else screaming for the same thing.
Doing it anonymously is the only way. Unless you're a fame-seeker like Trump, having that much money can be a real PITA because it'll bring so much attention to you, and you won't be able to have a normal life or normal relationships; everyone will be after you for your money. That's gotta make it impossible to ge
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Fuck that! I'd track down APK and have him committed!
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Sounds good to me. That guy has some major mental illnesses.
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If he can't keep a woman around while being a billionaire I'd say that mental illness is called "ego".
I knew someone who was a "mere millionaire" who had the same problem.
It's not ego. Women don't come labeled with tags that say "sincere" and "gold digger" so you can tell who loves you because you're a wonderful person and who merely loves your wallet.
That's the real ego problem. Most of us would like not to have the "love" leave when the money does. Or, for that matter, when a higher "bidder" comes along.
Re:For starters... (Score:5, Interesting)
If he can't keep a woman around while being a billionaire I'd say that mental illness is called "ego".
I knew someone who was a "mere millionaire" who had the same problem.
It's not ego. Women don't come labeled with tags that say "sincere" and "gold digger" so you can tell who loves you because you're a wonderful person and who merely loves your wallet.
That's the real ego problem. Most of us would like not to have the "love" leave when the money does. Or, for that matter, when a higher "bidder" comes along.
Not only that, but being friends with people of a different social status is not easy. I wasn't always very successful, but now I am at the point where I live a very comfortable life. The more successful I get, the more it seems that there are people who "want something" from me. It starts small, with people wanting to use my apartment complex's pool or other facilities. It has a way of snowballing into the expectation that my family will do all the driving and hosting of get-togethers. These problems only occur with friends who are of a lower economic status than us. If they reciprocated, we wouldn't care. I understand those friends aren't flush with cash, but a platter of home cooked baked chicken isn't that expensive, and some of them can't even be bothered with that. A cooler of cheap beer is within just about everyone's monetary reach; especially if I will offer you the same at a later date. But that isn't what I get out of many friendships with lower class people.
We don't have this problem with people on the same income level. They always reciprocate. I don't think about who is "up" and who is "down" monetarily, because they make an effort, and that is enough. Poor people don't seem to think about what I want in return for helping them. I don't count dollars, because I have plenty of my own. The effort in keeping a friendship is all I want to see returned. Sadly, that's very hard to find.
Rich people must struggle tremendously with the problem of someone always trying to get something from them for nothing. You see all the worst and selfish behaviors of humanity. If I were as wealthy as Notch, I would have to dress like a bum, travel the world inconspicuously, and hope nobody notices me. I don't think I would be able to handle all the "help a brother out" BS that he probably has to deal with. It must be exhausting.
Re:For starters... (Score:4, Interesting)
So the problem I have is whenever we go anywhere either as a family or even just the two of us, he always insists on paying which makes me feel uncomfortable... So I always refuse and insist we split it. We seem to have reached some sort of silent consensus that we'll just split it from now on... See, I want to hang out with him and his family because we enjoy their company, not because they're well off... I think he thinks he's helping by offering to pay all the time...
Anyway, it's not a real problem... But an annoying thing that's developed since he became 'very comfortable'...
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Would you get all sorts of fancy ketchups too? Perhaps some Dijon ketchup.
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but of course....
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But don't get a real green dress...that's cruel.
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For starters you would never see my fat ass again. I would never post another thing to /.. My ass would be laying on some beach somewhere with some bronze honey fanning me with one of those palm leaves and other serving me cold drinks out of a coconut cup.
Some people say, "if I ever get rich I won't quit work." Screw that, may ass would be out of here. It would be the last thing you ever saw of me as I ran out the door.
I'll solve his problem (Score:3)
I offer to solve all of Mr Persson's problems caused by excessive money. I can solve them all by tomorrow, for the low low price of 2.5 billion dollars.
Re:For starters... (Score:5, Funny)
Better myself (Score:5, Funny)
Step 1: Stop reading Slashdot
Re:Better myself (Score:4, Interesting)
Your title started out nice enough. But "stop reading slashdot" is not what I would do, it is what I wouldn't do.
Assuming I were no longer constrained by money, the "suddenly wealthy" mentioned in the headline, bettering myself and others would probably be the next set of goals as I checked off items from my bucket list.
The daily money earned off $2.5 billion is going to be about $50K-$100K, which would be pretty fun. Every day you can spend what most american families earn as annual income. Personally I wouldn't be throwing out multi-million-dollar grants to organizations, but I would enjoy traveling while trying to spend $50K per day.
Spending the big money quickly on things would only be fun for a short term. Owning things would help a bit with the comforts of home, being suddenly wealthy means no longer being constrained by financial resources. There would be a few places I'd want to visit -- maybe tour castles and visit a bunch of countries -- but having virtually unlimited funds spread over time could be enjoyed with others who are less fortunate.
So I think if I was suddenly a multi-billionaire, of course an accountant would be one person I'd hire, and I'd put together a small account for daily spending, say $50K, added daily to an account for everyday spending. Then I would look to spend that much and no more, especially not dropping off millions for an endowment to some organization. At least until I reached old age and was ready to donate large bundles to other groups doing good in the world.
I would look to my own hobbies and activities that bring joy to myself and others. For me, that would mean turning my artistic hobbies of watercolor and photography into bigger parts of my life, not so much as moving on to my next career as it is developing my self. (Of course, I'd similarly pick up some of my wife's hobbies, but we share many of them.) We could enjoy life as a global tourist being generous with funds, buy new clothes and leave old ones to the local donation centers. I'd spend time doing other hobbies that are purely for fun, like kite flying, and with all that money that means visiting assorted beaches and kite festivals around the globe, enjoying the benefits of money while trying to appear as a normal but generous tourist. As I developed myself, I'd look to develop others as well. Why pay a professional to tutor just me when I can help develop the talents of others as well? Pay for classes in the subject and invite a few lucky winners with a similar skill level, and participate as just another person in the class. (I might make it known that I was the one paying for the class, depending on how much one-on-one time I wanted, or maybe just remain an anonymous member.)
Maybe go spend a few months on the endless beaches of Chile, along with my wife. Hire some people to help learn the language from our current skills into full fluency. Hire some art teachers to teach both myself and a lucky group of a dozen other similarly-skilled natives (where I pay their regular wages so they can attend the class) as we paint on site for a few days at each location, perhaps providing art supplies they could take home at the end of the week paid for by my accumulation fund. For my kite flying hobby, when I wasn't out practicing art, I'd probably have a bunch of various sport kites delivered to that week's hotel (which of course would be directly on the beach), and bring a crate each of solidly-built deltas, some thick-sparred revolutions that will survive the inevitable beginner crashes, and a some single-string kites for the unskilled. The lucky strangers who happened to be at the beach that day could pick one up, enjoy it for the day, and take it home. Maybe enjoy time doing whatever skill building my wife also enjoys, or maybe letting her enjoy her classes without me, both so we can enjoy our own individual interests and also so we have things to talk about. Then maybe move on to mountains and beaches of Peru and Colombia, again spending around $50K/day on grou
Re:Better myself (Score:5, Funny)
Buy an island (Score:2, Funny)
I would have a lottery with $1,000,000 ticket prices. The prize would be one week on my island with 10 t
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I'd buy an island and make a nation out of it. I would live there with the family and my army of 1000 topless female slave-warriors. The island would have a private airstrip and a private jet, piloted by a topless female slave-warrior, that would whisk us around the globe. People would become jealous of my topless female slave-warriors because Grub Island would be the only place on the planet with them. I would have a lottery with $1,000,000 ticket prices. The prize would be one week on my island with 10 topless female slave-warriors to be at the winner's beck and call. After the winner departed Grub Island, the other topless female slave-warriors would destroy the lottery winner's 10 because they would then be soiled and not worthy of me.
Dude, your island, so lame. I would instead buy an island adjacent to Grub Island and open up Dave's All Nude Badass Island!!! (neon signage mandatory of course). 1000 topless female slave-warriors??? Nope. Too much work. We will limit this to 100, and have some kind of competition from all the disgruntled (read: horny) warriors from Grub Island, and.. oh hell, lunch break is over. Back to my appointed task of wage slavery..
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You'd get tired of it and have to upgrade to grub2.
Good answer, good answer! (Score:3)
Re:Buy an island (Score:5, Funny)
nevermind. I'm wrong.
Hey slashdot. Can we edit/delete our posts please? FFS, this site is almost 20 years old and you still don't have this capability?
Re:Buy an island (Score:5, Informative)
Hey slashdot. Can we edit/delete our posts please? FFS, this site is almost 20 years old and you still don't have this capability?
That is because it is the way Slashdot was designed. It is intentional, as if you could go back and edit your posts, you can change their tone afterwards.
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On Slashdot, one must think before one speaks.
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Pffffftttt ah hahahaha naw, I can't keep that up. Nobody fucking does that. No, it's so we can laugh at your mistakes and preserve them forever to taunt you with.
Re:Buy an island (Score:5, Funny)
Oh thank god. I couldn't handle another linguistic bombshell like "for all intensive purposes" actually being "intents and purposes"! That rocked my world when I was eleven, and I don't think I ever recovered.
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It's "for all in tents and porpoises", dum-dum.
I like slashdot the way it is. (Score:3)
Nope, and I like it that way.
Slashdot is forum of the ancient internet and is modelled after usenet. Comments have subjects, just like a usenet thread. And once you post something, it's out there, just like usenet. Sure they could let you edit the post, but then you could make the replies seem stupidid or nonsensical.
I like it like this.
Trading one set of problems for another (Score:5, Insightful)
Becoming wealthy (whatever "wealthy" is considered these days) comes with its own challenges.
People with no money have very specific challenges: find food and water and shelter for your family. Everything else is secondary.
People that have a job and shelter but not enough money have different challenges: Buying a car, paying for school, You have enough for basic necessities but not enough for aspiration items.
People with lots of money have unique challenges: Who do you trust? Taxes become problematic. Gold diggers. How do you raise kids without spoiling them?
It seems to me that the sweet spot is around 100K per year. You're not rich but you have enough. In many cities that is enough to buy a nice home and a new car every 4-5 years. It's a nice place to be.
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Yeah I always hear people say "wouldn't it be great to win the lottery?".. Uh, I dont think it would be. Don't get me wrong I would love if all of a sudden 1 mil fell on my lap. Be enough to pay off my house, fill up my retirement account, open up some investment accounts, with plenty of play money left over. But it wouldn't be enough for me to quit my job.
I second your opinion that 100k/year would be a pretty sweet spot. Plenty to pay all your bills, go on a nice vacation once or twice a year, have some ni
you're both right (Score:5, Informative)
You are correct that a million will net about $60k. That's in a diversified portfolio of long-term investments, a fairly reliable income. Actually $600K per ten years is reliable - year to years gains will fluctuate and that's okay - your spending doesn't have to fluctuate to match each year.
What will ALSO net $60K spending money is earning 100K, saving 12% for retirement, spending 15% on your mortgage, etc. Once you retire, you're no longer saving up for retirement. If you pay off your house before you retire, you're no longer paying mortgage. You're probably not saving for your kids' college anymore. Therefore a $1 million retirement fund will provide approximately the same lifestyle as a $100K / year job.
This assumes you're under 55 currently, so you don't count on any social security at all. *
* You know based on how people are 55 today that 20 years there will be more 75 year-olds than there is money to pay benefits.
Re:Trading one set of problems for another (Score:5, Insightful)
In coastal Connecticut, $100K a year isn't enough to buy a decent house if you're trying to raise a family at the same time.
I'd bet that the New Yorkers and Californians in the forum would agree with this statement.
$200K might be enough to get a nice home around here, but $100K a year here is like making $40K a year in a rural area. The taxes and real estate prices are a killer.
Re:Trading one set of problems for another (Score:4, Interesting)
The first thing you do is hire manservants.
If I had $250,000/year income, I could do my own dishes, tend my own yard, and so forth. I probably would tend the bees; but I'd get out of gardening. I'd have a gardener. Someone else would clean my house.
There is no faster way to create jobs with some $200k/year of disposable income than by paying some teenage wench to clean your house, and some old fuck to tend your trees. There just isn't.
If you have millions of dollars, that's great! You can start businesses; but can you create jobs? Well, kind of. If you find a way to produce something currently in production, but with *less* labor, you can produce that product more cheaply. That means you can undersell your competition, outcompeting them, and *eliminate* jobs. More unemployed.
With more unemployed, but cheaper common goods, people generally have more money after buying all the shit they need (except the unemployed, who are struggling to get by). That means you can now spend your millions to expand some niche market--say, smart phones, which still cost $600 and bump your bill by $30/month, but now everyone has more than $600 on hand, whereas before they had the ability to spend an extra $50 on shit they wanted--and make a shitton of profit. That, of course, requires workers--this is why it costs money--so you wind up creating jobs, although only about the amount you displaced in the first place.
This is why we always have unemployment, and why population tends to expand: you create wealth by making things cheaper to produce; you make things cheaper to produce by reducing the total invested labor-hours in production. All those layers of profits added on every good (coal to make steel, steel to make bolts, bolts to make cars) are just aggregate price; bulk purchase can negotiate that down, and direct competition can force it down, but only to the aggregate human labor costs of everything put together. When you reduce the labor cost, you wind up increasing the total buying power--same number of humans produce more things, thus the same percentage of the total income (of everyone and every business) purchases more--which means you can re-employ the same amount of displaced labor (not necessarily the same people) elsewhere, and everyone can buy more shit.
It also means the cost of high amounts of production drops. Producing 10 things costs $100 per unit because of inefficient methods (you wouldn't open a million-dollar production facility to make ten chairs; you'd do it in a slow, inefficient manner that costs less than a million dollars in labor); producing producing 10 million costs $10 per unit, because you can use better methods; and then producing 10 billion starts relying on things like fertilizer and artificial irrigation to grow trees for wood, which is more expensive than simple tree farming, and so it costs $50 per unit. You can actually support a bigger population as you raise wealth in this way, because suddenly everyone can afford that $50 per unit good, since they're spending $50 less elsewhere on other goods; of course, then the population grows and keeps its 4%-8% unemployment, because low unemployment is restrictive on total population wealth and weird shit happens.
So yeah. I'd have tutors, manservants, and landscapers. I might have a purser, but uh... look, my finances are better than yours. Financial management is a side hobby that's reached such a point of acuity for me that I scare bankers and accountants. Their balls shrivel up and die when we talk. I'm hoping our interest rates will go up to 14% median on mortgages so I can start an information campaign to eliminate the 30-year mortgage, since high interest rates make 10-year mortgages accessible for most people who can afford a 30-year mortgage (you wind up only having to tip in $100-$200 more per payment, instead of $2,000+ more; and you pay overall less for the same house). I was going to kill my mortgage in three years, but decided to stretch it to four or five so I cou
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Nah - the real gold diggers are those tramps that stalk pro athletes and show up at all the parties hoping to get impregnated.
The more shit you have the more flies you attract :-)
Do something money can't solve (Score:5, Interesting)
Buy land and start a small hobby farm (very small). Animals and crops require constant attention, you can't ignore them for even a day. Keeps you busy, keeps you grounded, even if you do still get most of your food from a grocery store. He's got enough to bring internet access out from nearby town or city, so he can stay up to date and work for fun instead of a living, until he figures out what he'd rather do instead.
Stop "solving" all your problems with money and pick up a few that require attention and care instead of cash. You can buy the animals, buildings, and tools, but YOU still have to use them or you fail and things die.
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Depends on the animals. Cats are extremely low-maintenance. You could leave them alone for a week with an automatic litterbox and food dispenser. Or hire someone from Craigslist to check on them every few days. Some of them actually travel really well too, so you could always bring them with you. The main problem is finding hotels that'll take them, but you can always just sneak them in if they're not very vocal.
What I really don't understand is why so many people have dogs, and not just any dogs, but
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As a person with (some) big dogs, I feel I have it easier than people with children...
First things first. (Score:5, Interesting)
Next thing I do (after buying a house, of course) is start studying accountancy, because if I've learned anything from reading the news the past several years, it's that NOBODY can be trusted with that many zeroes.
After that, I've got friends who need help, and who deserve it much more than I do. I want to see them happy. Then I can start worrying about businesses and philanthropy and shit like that.
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Next thing I do (after buying a house, of course) is start studying accountancy, because if I've learned anything from reading the news the past several years, it's that NOBODY can be trusted with that many zeroes.
After that, I've got friends who need help, and who deserve it much more than I do. I want to see them happy. Then I can start worrying about businesses and philanthropy and shit like that.
You're overthinking this. Read The Four Pillars of Investing by William Bernstein. Invest your money sensibly. Make sure that all your eggs aren't in one basket - invest with a number of different firms and with a broad portfolio. Pay attention to annual performance and ask questions.
Then look after your friends, although you'll discover that everyone looks at you in a different way.
Even when you're wearing your old comfy jeans, they'll look at your feet and see the $800 shoes that you bought because they're the most freakishly comfortable things you've ever put on your feet. Your Aston Martin key fob will start unwanted conversations with TSA screeners every time you pass through security (they all seem to think that a Ferrari 458 would be a much more sensible choice than a 4-door sedan).
Meeting people gets a bit awkward. They'll ask where you live and you'll tell them, "Just out of town, near the river," hoping that they won't ask the next question, which is, "Oh! How many acres? Three? Four?" You'll lower your voice as you start apologetically - "A hundred and sixty. But we have horses..." It's not the sort of attention an introvert enjoys.
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They'll ask where you live and you'll tell them, "Just out of town, near the river," hoping that they won't ask the next question, which is, "Oh! How many acres? Three? Four?" You'll lower your voice as you start apologetically - "A hundred and sixty. But we have horses..." It's not the sort of attention an introvert enjoys.
It's easy. Have you seen the movie "Ex Machina"? Just do what that guy did: build a really nice house on some island which is only accessible by helicopter, and live there by yourself.
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I'd hire at least two accountants and two lawyers, each to check the others work, and hopefully reduce the risk of being ripped off by either one.
Also, occasionally force them to brutally fight to the death. With themed weapons, like one gets a 3-ring binder, and the other gets one of those staple remover things. Replace the loser with fresh blood. Keeps them lean and on their toes.
I'd be a good rich dude, I think.
Batman (Score:3)
I would be Batman.
Re:Batman (Score:5, Insightful)
And sadly, he was killed in a car accident just a few weeks ago, so there's certainly an opening for it:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/... [washingtonpost.com]
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Damn it, I get misty every time I think about that guy dying.
When he died, he showed up so much on my Facebook feed, not from news reports, but because of how many things I follow that he ended up doing events with (like the 501st Legion).
Solid guy. Went too soon.
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then we could all still hang on roughly equal levels.
i'd ONLY have $1.5 billion left to myself, oh noes :-(
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This is the best answer right here, and it would cure his loneliness, too. Not only do the people who have stuck by you during the hard times deserve the reward, but they're the ones who have proven who you can trust.
Re:give $100 million each to best friends & fa (Score:5, Insightful)
Until one dies of an overdose, one disappears into some kind of cult, half of the rest spend it all and blame you when you won't give them more because now they're entitled. It sounds like a good plan, but it can go bad pretty easily, too.
2 for me, 2 for others (Score:2)
Bond villain (Score:5, Funny)
I'd have to go Musk and start building my Bond villain infrastructure.
Fleet of cars who's 'owners' don't know are autonomous-check.
Fleet of rocket ships-check.
Doomsday device-check
The question is: Where is Musk's secret lair?
Re:Bond villain (Score:4, Funny)
Easy one (Score:2)
1 Make sure I'll never run out of money by doing basic investments.
2 Found my own research lab using the ROI of 1 and have fun doing research without the burden of finding funds for it.
3 No need for 3.
Notch, if you want to try, send a PM ;)
Fame is the real problem ... (Score:4, Insightful)
Money is money. It can't treat a person well and it can't treat a person poorly. People on the other hand is another issue, especially people who you don't know yet who know you (or think they know you).
Money can be buried in investments, or dispersed if you want to go to the trouble too. Bury a person though, that will get you in trouble with the law. Disperse people, and they will think you're antisocial.
I can't honestly say what I would do if I had that much money. I would like to think that I'd bury it in investments, skimming just enough off the top to behave like a typical person. Yet I would do my best to avoid the fame bit. Relationships are awkward enough when you know them and they know you. Having the imbalance where people know you, but not the other way around, is something to be avoided.
Obligatory "Office Space" Reference (Score:5, Insightful)
Peter Gibbons: What would you do if you had a million dollars?
Lawrence: I'll tell you what I'd do, man: two chicks at the same time, man.
Peter Gibbons: That's it? If you had a million dollars, you'd do two chicks at the same time?
Lawrence: Damn straight. I always wanted to do that, man. And I think if I were a millionaire I could hook that up, too; 'cause chicks dig dudes with money.
Peter Gibbons: Well, not all chicks.
Lawrence: Well, the type of chicks that'd double up on a dude like me do.
Peter Gibbons: Good point.
Lawrence: Well, what about you now? What would you do?
Peter Gibbons: Besides two chicks at the same time?
Lawrence: Well, yeah.
Peter Gibbons: Nothing.
Lawrence: Nothing, huh?
Peter Gibbons: I would relax... I would sit on my ass all day... I would do nothing.
Lawrence: Well, you don't need a million dollars to do nothing, man. Take a look at my cousin: he's broke, don't do shit.
That's easy (Score:2)
Piss people off by spending it, or not spending it, the way I want. Since I'll be dead and have no heirs there's no reason to spend it on others, especially when no one bothered to spend their money on me during my lifetime.
Screw people. We're supposed to be the smart ones. If you want to spend a fortune, make your own. Don't expect someone else to spend their money the way you want.
It's all a matter of perspective (Score:2, Interesting)
It really is difficult to feel for Notch when, by his own admission in that series of tweets, he shows that having the material possessions and lavish experiences that is typical of filthy rich people has been his primary focus. It's myopic, depressing to the point of repulsion, and all-too-typical of the rich.
As for the human interaction element, that's of his own doing and merely an extension of the HAVING ALL THE RICH DUDE THINGS mentality. I wouldn't really care to hang around someone regularly who has
Re:It's all a matter of perspective (Score:5, Insightful)
I agree. He bought a bunch of shit and found out that it doesn't bring happiness.
Personally, I'd own less 'stuff' than I do now, and live out of a suitcase. With 1.5 billion dollars, I'd travel the world and probably never stop. Buy an unassuming-looking car in Europe or the UK and drive all over, meeting new and interesting people and exploring new places. Hike the West Highland Trail in Scotland; ski the Alps in Switzerland; explore the catacombs of France, rent a speedboat and putter around on Lake Como in Italy, etc.
That, to me, is being rich - it means being free to go anywhere and do anything. I don't need a lavish life of luxury; I just want to be free of the shackles that keep me from seeing the world.
Re:It's all a matter of perspective (Score:5, Insightful)
Down to a certain point, I've also learned that "less is more" when it comes to material possessions. The posessions can start to own you instead of the reverse.
Re: (Score:3)
'Notch' is an exceedingly average-looking person, not a celebrity, and isn't even popularly known by his real name. If he dropped a few pounds (and he could stand to) and shaved his beard he'd be near-unrecognizable. Hair plugs wouldn't be out of order either. His own mother wouldn't recognize him, much less the average person on the street.
And, it's not required that you state your real name and wealth status to everyone you meet.
All that is required is that he remain low-key and doesn't flaunt his wealth
Enjoy Your Life (Score:2)
I would just enjoy your life. So he says he found somebody who was afraid of his lifestyle. Find somebody else who isn't. Don't waste your time moping about other people. Find something to do with your life that makes you happy without requiring other people. Somebody like Notch, although rich, isn't a huge face in the media, and can probably stay under the radar in most circumstances. Very few people are actually going to recognize him unless he wants to be recognized.
I think there is a movie about this (Score:2)
Stamp out kitten juggling!
Why should the "industry" be aware? (Score:2)
Spend my time looking for places to give it away (Score:3)
#1 setup an annuity for FSF
#2 look for software projects begging for $ to get going.
#3 look on Kickstarter for projects begging for $ to get going.
#4 become a prophet!
Two girls at one time is taken so... (Score:2)
Shut down my business, buy a winter home, hire a maid. Tell people I'd inherited about 1% of the wealth I had and set up an anonymous non-profit to parse out most the money for education and arts projects I like.
Then go do everything I'm already already doing, except I'd never bother to look for sales. 'Cause, really, I kind of like my life.
People can be leeches (Score:5, Interesting)
When I was in college, there was a guy who was really wealthy (no idea how much, not billions, but millions I'm sure) --- his parents died young, I think it was an accident of sorts, and he inherited a fortune, or got a settlement.
Anyway... people used him for free beer, parties, food, anything they could get from him. I knew him tangentially because he was a pen and paper gamer, and ran some D&D sessions so we had some common friends.
The poor guy seemed miserable, knowing most people were only hanging out with him for his money, etc. Seriously, he was just a sad sack, seemed depressed and lonely in that existential kind of way. I know people say 'aw.... poor little rich boy', but I really felt bad for the guy. He seemed like a decent enough person, but the money didn't seem to make his life really that much better. Sure he didn't have student loans like I did, didn't have to work like I did -- but I had some good friends, who certainly didn't hang out with me for money (or lack thereof)
Fund a political campaign (Score:3)
Take over a small southern town (Score:5, Funny)
surprized by irony (Score:2)
Easy (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
A couple ideas (Score:3)
- Pay competent consultants and developers to "help" Gnome, xOffice, and a mega bunch of other OSS projects to get managed efficiently/properly
- run for president, as a lot of wealthy people do, I guess
It's a hard problem ... (Score:4, Insightful)
Suddenly everybody wants a piece of you and you have to distrust their motivations. Because the amount of people looking to sink in their teeth isn't going to be small.
Conversely, how do you expect to have a normal relationship with a non-wealthy person? Suddenly they're trying to keep up with a zillionaire and haven't got the means ... which means they're living on the charity of rich people and whatever their mood does. That tends to be present no matter how much you want it to not be. Get into a fight in some faraway location you can't afford to be in on your own, and you're a nobody.
Get rich over time, and you can build up some friends in the same situation. Get rick quickly and you can't. In which case you better hope your family and your existing friends can cope with it.
I've seen TV shows with some lottery winners ... and they constantly get letters from random people looking to get handouts, or people trying to scam them. Because people are greedy bastards. Oh, and the other rich people want nothing to do with you because you're new money.
I've always said I have no interest in being rich and famous ... I want to be rich and anonymous, precisely because I don't want to deal with this bullshit.
The real question is ... as tragic as this is, how much sympathy do recent billionaires expect from the rest of us? The whole "I'm a billionaire, now what?" is one of those questions which you can't expect a serious or helpful answer from anybody who hasn't done it.
The solution is easy (Score:5, Insightful)
Realize that your life is yours to live. You choose your lifestyle, not the other way around.
I've been my own boss for a while and I've grown a successful company. I'm a millionaire many dozens of times over. I drive an old Volvo wagon I bought used for $2500. I live in a 1500 square foot house. I buy clothes at Kohls. Only a very small handful of people know what I'm worth, and they are sworn to secrecy.
I chose to life the lifestyle of a regular Joe. Here's a step-by-step guide to coming into a lot of money quickly:
1) SHUT THE FUCK UP. Keep it secret to the best of your ability. If you can't, come up with a plan for that. But, do the best you can.
2) Decide NOW what kind of lifestyle you want to live. Think 5 years down the road about the company you will want to keep. Birds of a feather flock together. White people hang out with white people. Rich people hang out with rich people. It sucks, but you have to decide now.
3) Put the principal away, and pay yourself what it takes to live the lifestyle you decided to live in Step 2.
4) Finally, and most important, change NOTHING right away (except, paying off debt is perfectly okay). Stay at your job. Don't run away. Don't take a vacation. Don't throw a party for all of your close friends unless you want to find out how many of them actually aren't your close friends. Just maintain the status quo and make decisions SLOWLY.
That is the best advice I can give, from one rich guy to another.
Answer is easy (Score:2)
(1) Buy/build a super-yacht big enough to live on as your home.
(2) Travel the world, taking your home with you.
Requires 'only' a few hundred million to really make it work.
-Matt
Re: (Score:3)
You think way too small. You can buy decommissioned aircraft carriers for cheap.
Time to go all snowcrash and build a floating nation.
On misery (Score:5, Insightful)
A successful celebrity was once asked if money buys happiness.
Her reply was, "I'd rather be rich and miserable than poor and miserable."
Buy /. (Score:5, Insightful)
First (Score:3)
I would have a broadband connection installed at home.
His first mistake was changing his lifestyle (Score:4, Insightful)
Hindsight is 20/20, but I've always thought that were I to come upon a windfall of some large(ish) caliber, I'd likely not tell a soul, and not change my lifestyle significantly and suddenly. Sure it's tempting to run out and buy a Ferrari, but if one thinks about it, those are childish wishes and whims - a lack of self-control, if you will. The first things I'd do is settle all my debts (house, car, etc.), which aren't as visible to others. I'd also start winding down my employment (i.e. 1-month or even 2-month notice).
By simply slowing the transition down significantly, perhaps even "embellishing" the nature of the windfall (i.e. "I just closed a deal that's going to do very well for me over the next 2 years") such that the changes are logical and incremental vs. sudden and drastic, one can avoid such "acclimation pains" in one's social circle.
In the end, if you change your life drastically there's a very good chance you'll run into the same isolation issues - windfall or no. So it's about the (perceived) speed of the climb, not the steepness.
Besides, if you make the change slow it's easier for people to see that you're not changing - just your lifestyle and economic conditions. Less scary that way I think.
PS/ what's he bitching and whining about women for? he can afford any (set of) pornstar(s) he wants now!! :D
Run my mouth (Score:3)
Apart from that get a new car (I'm thinking an M4), get a new truck like vehicle (can't take an M4 out hunting in remote areas), put up a cabin on my recreational property. Although I would like a nice custom made leather trench coat made from that nice thick cow hide that they make motorcycle safety jackets out of. Apart from that I would probably quietly give to various charities, ensure that my children will be well off, and that any of my relatives won't have to worry about school if they apply themselves.
Low maintanence (Score:3)
Interestingly, it seems he's already tried what I probably would have gone for at his age: Buying a ginormous house and trying to act like a hedonistic big shot.
As a ... more experienced person nearing 50, I think my priorities would be different. Big houses suck. They require continual maintenance, and who's going to be wasting their time shepherding all that? Having to deal with stupid BS little issues all day is precisely what he sold to MS to avoid. The more big expensive crap you acquire, the more effort has to be expended to maintain it all. No wonder he's made himself miserable. I can always trade time for money, and that certainly goes moreso for someone with his new financial resources. Its TIME that is precious.
Today, I'd find a fun interesting place to live, and *rent* myself a place there. Preferably somewhere walkable, so I wouldn't have to maintain a car (gawd, what a time and money sink those things are). I'd probably approach a local charity (like the food bank) and offer to do some free computer work for them. Knowing myself (and as a developer he's probably similar), it wouldn't take long to find some really interesting problem in there that could have wide application.
As for meeting people, how is he going to meet cool new people while locked behind gates in that mansion? Blah.
Money (Score:5, Insightful)
"Whoever said money can't buy happiness simply didn't know where to go shopping."
-- Bo Derek
Don't Musk. Invest in Musk (Score:5, Interesting)
"I would Musk and try to save the world, but that just exposes me to the same type of a$#@%&*s that made me sell minecraft again."
You don't have to try to be Musk. If you don't feel the need to get into that or be that sort of creative, at least you can recognize the people who do/are. Call him. You don't need to buy public shares when you have that kind of money. You invest in other people who are trying to change the world.
Keep some for yourself and enjoy your life while knowing that your money is helping to change the world. Don't like what Musk is doing? He's just an example. Fine something you believe in and invest.
I would blow it on something I found ridiculously cool. Like hardened, high-speed em-drive interstellar probes or something. But to each his own.
Buy three more wishes (Score:3)
Wait...what was the question again?
Money can in fact buy happiness (Score:5, Insightful)
Anyone who thinks money can't buy happiness has never bought a week's groceries for a poor person.
hire two ninjas (Score:4, Funny)
Persson also began hosting wild parties where guests like Skrillex, Selena Gomez, and Tony Hawk would sometimes make appearances.
I'd hire a ninja keep those people out.
And another ninja to beat my ass if I had actually invited them.
Re: (Score:3)
Persson also began hosting wild parties where guests like Skrillex, Selena Gomez, and Tony Hawk would sometimes make appearances.
I'd hire a ninja keep those people out.
And another ninja to beat my ass if I had actually invited them.
Those people? Those people are precisely the kind of people who would show up to a Notch party. They were all raised middle class, at best, and I'd be shocked if any of them are more than double digit millionaires.
Yeah, I looked it up. Skrillex is worth an estimated $36 million, Selena Gomez is worth $20 million, and, surprise, surprise, Tony Hawk is worth $140 million. Still, none of them came from even big money, let alone old money.
With the exception of 2 or 3 posts here, Notch probably got bett
Make someone's day, every day. Or be a dick. (Score:4, Interesting)
With 2.5 Billion Dollars? I'm too lazy to do the real math, but im guessing you could pick one random person and give them $100,000 every day for the rest of your life and still have enough money to live comfortably.
OR you could hire enough people to completely buy out the next iDevice release on opening day, and light the whole batch on fire, just to watch the hipsters cry about it. 453 retail Apple stores, 100 people per store, 20 devices per person, $700 average retail would cost you just over $634M. You wouldn't completely buy them out, but it'd be enough to make a pretty little dent. (This seems to be an XKCD "What if" submission waiting to happen... "What would it take to buy every iPhone available on release day? And what could I do with them once I bought them")
Re: (Score:2)
you pervert
Re:I'd go to an impoverished third-world nation (Score:4, Insightful)
You'd lose it all paying bribes before you managed to build your first factory. Every local official wants whatever they can bleed out of you. The third-world is littered with half-finished hotels and other abandoned construction projects.
Absolutely (Score:3)
Go completely dark.
Hire attorneys to handle ALL your affairs. Carry only credit cards. Stay out of the news.
But you can also have fun anonymously...
Make an arrangements with a car deal to give away cars to people you think deserve it as you encounter them.
Pay the check for an entire restaurant full of people when you leave.
Watch for local foreclosures and intercede on the behalf of those you think are getting a raw deal.
Fund a promising local business for two years.
Of course it goes without saying that you