C# is well-established, and Microsoft has shown that it's very willing to adapt C# as necessary to support new techniques. I wouldn't be surprised at all if C# inherited good ideas from Swift.
I'm more interested in what Chris has to say about Rust, another much-newer language that's much closer in age to Swift, but also different from established languages like C#, C++ and Java.
Chris, what are your general thoughts about Rust as a programming language?
Seeing as it fits somewhere between languages like C++ a
There's a double problem with Codes of Conduct: 1) is the fact that it seems we NEED them. Most software devs are well-adjusted, normal people, but there's always that asshole who has to be 'edgy' or whatever and ends up fucking it up for everyone. Kinda like laws. We read these ridiculous laws and wonder 'why the fuck is that a law, no one would be that fucking stupid/asshole' and then you dig in and find out that, yes, someone(s) was that fucking stupid and now we all have to pay for that person's asshole
Do we? Why would anyone that is a jerk not simply ignore a code of conduct and do what they liked anyway?
Is there a concrete example anywhere of a code of conduct stopping anything, ever?
You could come back and say "it gives us reasons to reject someone". Yes but you could have done that ANYWAY without a COC and treating everyone with the presumption of assholishnes to begin with.
That's the real problem I have with the whole COC frenzy, is that most of us are adul
You are missing the point of having a CoC. It's not supposed to magically make people non-jerks or patronise adults. It's there so that everyone is aware of what is expected of them, and if they do decide to be a jerk can't turn around and say "well no-one said I couldn't!" If action needs to be taken the moderators can cite the CoC to justify their actions without it becoming a debate.
It's the same as having rules in sports. People still cheat or find ways to be an asshat without technically breaking any r
You are missing the point of having a CoC. It's not supposed to magically make people non-jerks or patronise adults. It's there so that everyone is aware of what is expected of them
YOU are missing the point of why I dislike the CoC. It's that all of us ALREADY KNOW what is expected of them. The CoC is an assumption that we are all idiots.
You know who needs to be told what is expected of them? Gradeschoolers. Professional adults? Not so much.
It's the same as having rules in sports.
What is it with all of the people trying to equate a CoC to rule or laws or anything else that is ACTUALLY REAL AND ENFORCED. The CoC is more like the Pirate Code, a guideline if you will that has no meaning compared to the hard and fast rules that exist in sports. There is no neutral party at a conference that can act as a ref. There are the rule makers and the rule followers and that is it, not to mention that the ground the CoC covers is so inherantly anyway that to equate it to a black and white rule from sports is beyond farce.
C# (Score:5, Interesting)
What do you think about Microsoft and C# versus the merits of Swift?
What are Rust's prospects like? (Score:3, Interesting)
C# is well-established, and Microsoft has shown that it's very willing to adapt C# as necessary to support new techniques. I wouldn't be surprised at all if C# inherited good ideas from Swift.
I'm more interested in what Chris has to say about Rust, another much-newer language that's much closer in age to Swift, but also different from established languages like C#, C++ and Java.
Chris, what are your general thoughts about Rust as a programming language?
Seeing as it fits somewhere between languages like C++ a
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There's a double problem with Codes of Conduct:
1) is the fact that it seems we NEED them. Most software devs are well-adjusted, normal people, but there's always that asshole who has to be 'edgy' or whatever and ends up fucking it up for everyone. Kinda like laws. We read these ridiculous laws and wonder 'why the fuck is that a law, no one would be that fucking stupid/asshole' and then you dig in and find out that, yes, someone(s) was that fucking stupid and now we all have to pay for that person's asshole
Do we need them? (Score:3)
1) is the fact that it seems we NEED them.
Do we? Why would anyone that is a jerk not simply ignore a code of conduct and do what they liked anyway?
Is there a concrete example anywhere of a code of conduct stopping anything, ever?
You could come back and say "it gives us reasons to reject someone". Yes but you could have done that ANYWAY without a COC and treating everyone with the presumption of assholishnes to begin with.
That's the real problem I have with the whole COC frenzy, is that most of us are adul
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You are missing the point of having a CoC. It's not supposed to magically make people non-jerks or patronise adults. It's there so that everyone is aware of what is expected of them, and if they do decide to be a jerk can't turn around and say "well no-one said I couldn't!" If action needs to be taken the moderators can cite the CoC to justify their actions without it becoming a debate.
It's the same as having rules in sports. People still cheat or find ways to be an asshat without technically breaking any r
Re:Do we need them? (Score:2)
You are missing the point of having a CoC. It's not supposed to magically make people non-jerks or patronise adults. It's there so that everyone is aware of what is expected of them
YOU are missing the point of why I dislike the CoC. It's that all of us ALREADY KNOW what is expected of them. The CoC is an assumption that we are all idiots.
You know who needs to be told what is expected of them? Gradeschoolers. Professional adults? Not so much.
It's the same as having rules in sports.
What is it with all of the people trying to equate a CoC to rule or laws or anything else that is ACTUALLY REAL AND ENFORCED. The CoC is more like the Pirate Code, a guideline if you will that has no meaning compared to the hard and fast rules that exist in sports. There is no neutral party at a conference that can act as a ref. There are the rule makers and the rule followers and that is it, not to mention that the ground the CoC covers is so inherantly anyway that to equate it to a black and white rule from sports is beyond farce.