$20/hour can mean a lot of different things. If it is a unionized government job with benefits in a low cost of living area-it wouldn't be too bad. I can easily see how that wouldn't go far in New York City or Silicon Valley-even for a single guy.
The national average for all "white-collar/technical" professions is $27.15/hour ($56k). However, in most metro areas, it is around $30 ($62k). Out of college, you should expect about 15% less than average or between $48k and $52k with some prior experience--although many, many people will be more than happy to offer you $26.5k. The point is, you should be able to hit the mean within three years. Don't let ANYONE tell you otherwise. If you are offered less than 15% below the aggregate mean (that is, everyon
I think the original poster had no experience, other than internships. That's not a bad place to be, but I'd guess 45k, tops, outside of NY.
"Laughing hysterically"? well, maybe. That first job is the hardest to crack, acting like a maniac is no real plus.
FWIW I have never taken a job for the money, after leaving uni. Oddly enough I am still within 1% of being the highest paid engineer in my businees region for my company.
Statistical poverty is regularly pegged at 20% below the mean in any area. There is no reason to accept, with a college degree in the relevant field, poverty-level wages. If the mean is $62.5k and they offer $27k, no amount of negotiating skills is going to bridge that gap--and they've been insulting. Armed with the appropriate salary ranges--you know, what the guy ASKED FOR in his post--is the surest way to be confident in demanding reasonable compensation. This isn't being noble and not "taking a job for
Do you agree that (mean-20%) is a meaningless definition of poverty?
Not arguing, just asking.
For instance, if I were a single bloke sharing a house with 3 others, in an upmarket housing estate, our individual incomes would be what, half?, of those around us, in their mortgaged hutches.
Yet we were the ones with Lotii, TR4s, down the pub every night, foreign holiday every 3 months, while they stayed in and drove their Mini Metros to work and looked forward to their monthly visit to the flicks and a cheap B
No, it's not. The nationwide mean is only about $13/hour, which after taxes is scarcely $23k per year. That's fine in Boise, but if you have "3 single blokes" living in an "upmarket estate" and their COMBINED take home is $69k, you're in fantasyland if you think you'll be taking a "foreign holiday" every three months, unless you count walking to Tijuana from San Diego as "going abroad."
If your income is less than roughly 2/3 of the population in your area, it's a safe bet to assume you are "poor," locally
We were on about 5000 pounds a year, each, fresh out of uni, one year into our careers. Our neighbours would have been 30-40 year old senior engineers, supervisors or managers, with mortgages and families.
Guessing that the relativity between wages still held true then (I see no reason why not, within 3 years I doubled my pay), that would have put them on at least 2 to 2.5x as much as us.
You can argue with me taking foreign holidays, fair enough can't prove it. I too
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"Laughing hysterically"? well, maybe. That first job is the hardest to crack, acting like a maniac is no real plus.
FWIW I have never taken a job for the money, after leaving uni. Oddly enough I am still within 1% of being the highest paid engineer in my businees region for my company.
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Not arguing, just asking.
For instance, if I were a single bloke sharing a house with 3 others, in an upmarket housing estate, our individual incomes would be what, half?, of those around us, in their mortgaged hutches.
Yet we were the ones with Lotii, TR4s, down the pub every night, foreign holiday every 3 months, while they stayed in and drove their Mini Metros to work and looked forward to their monthly visit to the flicks and a cheap B
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If your income is less than roughly 2/3 of the population in your area, it's a safe bet to assume you are "poor," locally
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We were on about 5000 pounds a year, each, fresh out of uni, one year into our careers. Our neighbours would have been 30-40 year old senior engineers, supervisors or managers, with mortgages and families.
Guessing that the relativity between wages still held true then (I see no reason why not, within 3 years I doubled my pay), that would have put them on at least 2 to 2.5x as much as us.
You can argue with me taking foreign holidays, fair enough can't prove it. I too
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Period.