Old Macs As Terminals 35
batwingTM asks: "Hey, I've have this old Mac Classic (the first computer that was completly mine) that I really wanted to do something with... It was suggested that I make it an aquarium (I remember After Dark for the Mac with "fish") but I also heard that it is possible to turn it into a simple terminal. I have a few Linux powered machines in the house and the thought of being able to access them from a terminal in the kitchen and/or bathroom seems appealing. So, I was wondering is anyone out there knows how this can be achieved?"
SCSI to Ethernet (Score:1)
Remote GUIs (Score:1)
Unfortunately I have not found a free MacOS X server which runs full-screen. With MacX, you can have an X root window in a Macintosh window (with its requisite title bar and menubar) or you can have a separate window for each X client and no root window.
I have also successfully run Debian on my IIci but it's kinda slow and it hung for some reason. I haven't gotten as far as installing X yet, because I can't seem to install anything with dselect or apt... it hangs while "resolving dependencies". Granted, the installation is maybe a year old, so maybe this is an old bug that's since been fixed.
Old Macs as Macs (Score:1)
And then there's my plan to fit a G4 cube inside a Mac Plus shell...
Not an ideal machine for a terminal ... (Score:1)
Apple IIe (Score:1)
*Any that involve the words "boat anchor", "landfill", or "stick it..." do not qualify as constructive (or original).
Starting point (Score:4)
http://www.linux.org/help/ldp/howto/Text-Termin
http://www.linux.org/help/ldp/howto/mini/Mac-Te
The latter answers your question!
To all people writing to Ask Slashdot:
Please check the HOWTO's before asking these silly questions, or in other words RTFM.
Re:Old Macs as Macs (Score:1)
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Karrots
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Karrots
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MacOS 6.0.4 (Score:2)
Re:Apple IIe (Score:1)
It's funny you mention the Apple IIe. I just saw mine while at my parents' over the weekend. If I can find my copy of EA's Space Station Construction set (or whatever it was called) I think I'd bring it to my house. But now that you mention it, it could be fun to use as a Linux terminal for controlling an MP3 jukebox. It already has the video output to let me plug it into the TV...
I should have a spare manual for either a serial or parallel card (I can't remember which it had two of). Also, might want to check eBay.
Re:Get Kermit, ZTerm of PPP (Score:1)
Re:Apple IIe (Score:1)
BTW, anybody remember the DuoDrives? Looked nifty, but damn if you weren't screwed if one went down.
Get Kermit, ZTerm of PPP (Score:2)
1. Get a terminal program and a suitable null modem cable. Follow the text-terminal howto (or whatever) and you're go. I've tried old SEs with ZTerm and Kermit (ZTerm was nice:)
2. Get ConfigPPP and the works and set up a PPP link. Then fetch NCSA Telnet or BetterTelnet.
Re:Old Macs as Macs (Score:2)
Jeez, thats a long uptime! 16 years? With a Mac?
Psst.. its a joke
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Just cover up one of the holes in a "normal" floppy and your mac should be able to format them fine. It's just like changing 720k disks to 1.44Meg by drilling a hole in the right place...
Have Fun!
Lynk
Re:Old Macs as Macs (Score:1)
1 Meg 30 pin sims have a use!
Re:Starting point (Score:1)
So like, do I have to ask stupid questions to get accepted as an article writer?
Re:linux for old Macs. (Score:1)
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i was just researching the same thing!! (Score:1)
there are of course, many more similar sites. If anyone has done anything cool post it here! Also a great resource if you live in the SF bay area is Weird Stuff [weirdstuff.com], they have tons of old macs for sale and the salespeople are quite knowledgable.
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Nah (Score:1)
Re:Apple IIe (Score:1)
Not that that's necessarily bad - start scouring FTP sites, and you can probably come up with the software to turn it into a terminal pretty easily. And the darn things look so cool!
Further Confusion, old macs, and terminals... (Score:1)
Close to the topic... People have already posted how to use Macs as terminals.
Further Confusion [furtherconfusion.org] is a yearly science fiction-like convention devoted to anthropomorphics. Since most of the members are computer addicts, we wanted to set up a computer room.
One friend of mine, Richard Penner, heard that the local Weird Stuff Warehouse [weirdstuff.com] had a special on old Mac IIs. $5 per machine, as is.
My VW Vanagon was pressed into service, and we filled it with ancient Macintoshes. With each old Mac having about 5 Mhz of power, we barely fit about 350 Mhz of computing power into my van.
Of the seventy, Richard put together about forty fully functional terminals. That, a good Linux server, and a hub, made for a good, cheap terminal room.
Re:Apple IIe (Score:1)
(well, it's only like 5 of them, but still.)
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Download 6.08 from Apple's web site, and you will be much happier. (Dig around on the old printer disks to find the TrueType extention for System 6.)
Re:Apple IIe (Score:2)
Hmmm... I've got an old one where the motherboard was completely trashed, the keyboard had several bad keys, and the case was done. (It was from my high school, and had spent a number of years first in the computer lab, then was retired to the electronics classroom.) Suffice it to say that it was trashed.
I welded the little holes on the bottom of the case shut, painted the inside with POR-15 epoxy, and filled it with kitty litter. My cat loves it, and it's a real conversation piece in my bathroom.
not even OS.If the ROM chips are still socketed on the motherboard, you still have an OS.
Type "pr#3" at a command prompt. If that doesn't make the floppy drive try to read, then type "pr#6". It one of the pr numbers, I can't remember which. If you try all of them in sequence, you'll find the floppy controller, the 80-column card (if you have it), etc.
From there, all you'll need is a little bit of software in the drive. I'm sure someone somewhere has written a program that will allow you to use a modern computer to format a 5.25" disk in Apple II format, then you should be able to download and copy something to it.
Re:Apple IIe (Score:2)
Wow. That takes me back. I knew it was either pr#3 or pr#6.
I can't believe that last time I actually used one of these things, I was in Grade 3. 1983. And I can't believe that I still sorta remembered the command. Spooky, ain't it?
I remember running Bank Street Writer, Gertrude's Boots, and a couple of video games that we'd snuck in. Man oh man, that takes me back.
I remember that the disk drives were attached to the controller with small ribbon cables; no additional leads for power. And, looking back at it now, I know the drives were just modified Shugarts with Apple stickers glued on.
I also remember one of them failing once. As improbable as this sounds - and maybe I remember it wrong - I remember the classroom started to stink of plastic burning. And I remember the teacher pulling a smoking diskette out of the drive. I don't remember if the disk was melted or not; looking back on it, I suspect someone stuck something metal into the drive and it fried something, and the smoke just happened to be around the diskette as it came out of the drive.
It took me years to get over my fear of 5.25" disk drives. 8" and 11" drives still give me the heebie-jeebies.
BTW, anybody remember the DuoDrives? Looked nifty, but damn if you weren't screwed if one went down.Yup. But there are lots of things like that now. I never used a DuoDrive, but I can imagine that the mechanism just mates up to a custom faceplate. How is that different from the disk drive on any notebook computer, or for that matter, lots of the highly-stylized HP Pavilions and stuff today? I agree it's still icky, but proprietary parts obviously have a long history in the computer industry.
On the other hand, I'd love to put a power eject floppy drive onto my computer, a la Macintosh.
When I used a Mac, they laughed because I had no command prompt. When I used Linux, they laughed because I had no GUI.When I used an Amiga, they laughed because my command prompt was in my GUI.
And I had to mount and unmount my disks.
And the disk drive ticked every two seconds.
Bastards.
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Classic Series
Status on some of these machines is unknown. In specific, we have confirmed boots of the SE/30 and Classic II. SCSI and serial should work on all these machines. CUDA-style ADB (all but SE/30) is working in several kernels. At this point in time, all models must have a FPU. Please note that a Classic II is also known as a Performa 200.
Current status on Color Classic is unknown.
linux for old Macs. (Score:2)
PowerPC with a PCI bus? Go with Yellow Dog Linux or LinuxPPC [linuxppc.org].
PowerPC with a NuBus bus? Go with MkLinux [mklinux.org]. That's what I use.
Old mac like the one that you mention? Try out Linux m68k [linux-m68k.org].
The m68k is the processor of pre-PowerPCs. Supposedly, Red Hat, Debian, and Whiteline have distributions with the Linux m68k processor. I'm anxious to try these out because I have a old Mac beast that has three 68k processors. This thing will fly!!!! I doubt that you'll get any window manager to run. It may only be useful as a terminal. My triprocessor will be useful as three terminals ;-)
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Any ideas?
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I believe they don't want anybody to use it, btw it doesn't even work on a MacPlus because it requires a 68040 processor.
7.5.5 is good.