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Cube Farm Ordnance? 43

In a humorous departure from the normal question fare, B747SP asks: "In my office, we have a healthy disrespect for the comfort and safety of our colleagues, and the accompanying arms race is strong, and competitive. We've tried everything from hurling balls of paper back and forth, to stress balls, flying torpedoes, Nerf weaponry al-la thinkgeek.com, and even Air Soft guns (I did say no respect for safety!!!). OK, so that's my office. What about other Slashdotters? What ordnance do you use in your office to keep that sucker in the next cube on his toes? Do you build your weapons from stuff around the office, or do you buy from a store?"
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  • Over the summer the company provided beach balls (deflated) as some sort of promotional deal. Some losers took theirs home. The engineers blew them up (all of them, even those unclaimed ones) and they have been lying around ever since. Many, many things can be done with a beach ball:
    • Stress test. As you're walking down the hall with a beach ball and someone comes the other way, toss it to him. If he grabs it and tosses it back, good man. If he swats at it like a fly and it goes sailing into the light fixture, he's a little stressed. If he ducks, you've found your next Nerf target.
    • Testing headshape. Stand behind someone and bounce the ball off his head. See what angle it returns at. Play from a distance, and try to get it to always come back to you. (I am quite serious, we really do play this game).
    • Bombardment. Named for the technique from the old high school game. Find 3 or more, then toss one at somebody. While he is reaching to catch it, fire the others at his head.
    • Cube volleyball. Works best with two cubes sharing a wall, but can be played across a hallway (window between cubes optional). Players must stay in their seat.
    • Distance basketball. Person in cube A sets up a net. Person in cube B attempts to get beachball in net. Works best if net cannot be seen by B.
    • Plinko (named for the Price is Right game). Stand up in cube. Toss ball randomly into center of cube farm, and hope that it winds up in the cube of someone who doesn't get pissed off easily.
    • William Tell. Put beach ball on your head. Allow people to shoot nerf darts at it.
    • Keeping-people-awake-at-meetings game. While someone is at the whiteboard talking, toss the ball around. Don't let it hit the floor. Finds the sleeping people quickly.
    Add a Razor scooter or 3 to this and you've got some real potential. Hallway jousts, anyone? Or how about the occasional driveby? (Yes, we really do have at least 4 people with scooters, and they have been known to ride them in the halls. Including the big bosses. It's funny to see your coworkers fall down.)
  • Here is the States (where party crackers aren't much of a tradition) the inner explosive can be purchased separately. I've found that tape is not usually sufficient to hold the string in place. Using a knot almost always works better. There are several good knots that any boy scout can teach you to attach regular string to invisible fish line.
    _____________
  • Take 1" pvc piping, say 3-4 foot section, and a length of pipe insulation (foam pipe, with a slit down the side) which fits over the pvc. Use about six inches of the insulation for a handguard (placed perpendicular to the pvc, at the handle end) and use the rest of the foam for the length of the sword, excepting the handle (which is just bare pvc). The foam should extend past the tip of the pvc by two inches (for soft stabs). Now duct tape the entire thing. All of it! One big, grey sword.

    Lather, rinse, repeat. Swordfights generally require a space to fight it, but the best fighters can fight as effectively inside or between cubicles as they can in an open area.

    Plus you can fight over design decisions.

    "Sir! You insult my work when you add the paperclip to the software!"
    "It makes the program easier for the users. Cower to my usability, fiend!"
    "Hold thy tongue, knave! I Challenge you to a duel!"

    -Adam

    Let's build some for gore, bush, cheney, and leiberman... I'd like to see them go at it. For each blow they have to insult a program or policy of the other...
  • Although I have not used them in anger yet, I'm sure that any such campaign would end only in victory for myself. However, such destruction is unthinkable, so I have not yet pushed the button.

    What I have in my desk are some samples from Aero Rubber [aerorubber.com], specifically samples of their rubber bands [aerorubber.com]. Not impressed, you say? Take a look at the specs of the 4 samples I have:

    1. 3/4" wide, 52" circumference (unstretched)
    2. 3/4" wide, 72" circ. (")
    3. 3/4" wide, 92" circ. (")
    4. 1/4" wide, 40" circ. (")
    The larger ones I can barely even start to stretch, and I'm a 6 footer with long arms!

    Essentially, I could either flick my enemies with the biggest elastic band they've ever seen (I'm sure putting an eye out isn't hard at all for these things), or a better idea would probably to use these as a launching mechanism for other things like kooshes, stale doughnuts, fruit, empty paper boxes, and the like.

    Just drop them an e-mail asking about them, and you're more than likely to get some samples in the mail. I didn't even ask, and I got a whole bunch. Oh, the power..

    "There's a party," she said,
    "We'll sing and we'll dance,
    It's come as you are."

  • Motorized Ballzooka and a healthy supply of extra balls are good too, and less damaging to the arms. You can watch the Pavlovian reaction when you rack the action....
  • To pass the time break the tension etc. we play practical jokes on each other. Take a can of that air spray (the type that you use to clean computers and other dusty areas) and tie it to the bottom of a desk, along with a piece of twine that will held in place by their chair. When they go to sit down on their chair they get a burst of air at their feet.

    (Really scared the crap out of a couple of people in my area)
  • We used to do the booby-traps too. A couple business cards, rubber bands, and tape and you can rig up something to launch confetti from a drawer or overhead bin.

    Steve Jackson Games [sjgames.com] sells rules for the old Assassin or Killer [sjgames.com] game. They have some good ideas and links to Nerf weaponry.

  • Ditto. At my first engineering job, the company used these huge rubber bands to hold trash bags securely on the barrels. Someone grabbed a bag of them from the closet one day and we had a constant battle for the next year. I remember the day we rearranged the lab and discovered the piles of rubber bands that had accumulated under each of the benches.
    Also amusing was building soda can pyramids and trying to knock them over from the other end of the lab, however, a successful shot never failed to draw managerial attention.
  • Well, there's always the good old rubber band gun, either purchased or improvised (the latter with pencils, pens, or fingers).

    One of our clients is a large novelty wholesale company, and our boss obtained a case of those white paper snapper thingies--y'know, the ones with gravel and about two grains of gunpowder within, that you throw on the ground. That Monday the entire office became a war zone. Boss and Alpha Tech were running around throwing them at each other. Receptionist sat at her desk wearing an expression that said I am so not amused. I snuck out and requisitioned a couple packages for the Web room. Imagine Boss and Alpha Tech's surprise when one of them would try to use the Web room as a bunker. *POW!* "AAAH!" "Hee."

    DISCLAIMER: Careful with these. It's all fun and games till someone loses an eye, and then it's all fun because the game's over.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    Nerf?

    When I was a lad ... "we had to use wood, and rocks!"

    No, really, back in primary school, in grade six (equiv. last year of elementary school), the office supplies, rather, school supplies arms race was flourishing.

    One disingenious boy went around snipping off the ends of people's shoelaces (aglets?), with a 1/2 inch tuft of fraying shoelace still attached. Pushed into the end of this went a small *pin*, so that the head of the pin was embedded in the tuft of shoelace, and the 'business end' of the pin poking out of the bound end of the aglet. Insert into drinking straw, puff cheeks, blow.

    ~~ ~~ ~/-----------------\
    ~~ ~~ ~|` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` `|
    ~~ ~ ~||- - - - pin - - -|---------
    ~ ~~~ ~| ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` |
    ~ ~ ~~~\-----------------/

    | tuft | . . . aglet . . |

    (After drawing this out I've realised it looks like some kind of SABOT munition, or one of those nasty 'illegal' anti-personnel machine gun 'flechettes'. As the twig is bent so grows the arms industry?)

    I'm surprised more people weren't maimed or blinded with this device, but it shows that even schoolchildren know not to do *really* stupid stuff. And seeing how they were made from sharp metal, they looked really cool sticking into the (plastered) ceiling in the school hall, in the blackboards, desks ...

    Easier to come by, and slightly more 'legal' to fire at your fellow classmate, was the small paper pellet. Any small piece of paper, Post-It size, torn in half, and then folded over a number of times, becomes a small, hard, projectile, that can be launched with a rubber band. The thinner bands worked better because they fit inside the pellet. Experiment with the folding to ensure a snag-free launch: improperly folded pellets can misfire by up to 180 degrees. If you use real PostIts, you can use the gummed edge to bind the pellet together.

    1. Cut in half ...
    |-----------------| . |--------|
    |########|########| . |########|
    |#################| . |########|
    | ' . ' .|' . ' . | . |' . ' . | -------
    | . ' . ' . ' . ' | . |. ' . ' | 2. fold
    | ' . ' .|' . ' . | . |' . ' . | up in
    | . ' . ' . ' . ' | . |. ' . ' | - - - -
    | ' . ' .|' . ' . | . |' . ' . | half
    | . ' . ' . ' . ' | . |. ' . ' |
    |--------|--------| . |--------| -------

    |--------| . . . . . |--------| 4. Fold up once
    |########| . . . . . |########| more and use
    |########| ------- . |########| gummed edge to
    | ' . ' .| 3. fold . | ' . ' .| to 'seal in
    | . ' . '| - up- - . |--------| the freshness'.
    | ' . ' .| again.
    |--------| -------

    Fold in half lengthways to create your U-shaped, low-cost elastic band munition. Loop rubber band around thumb and first finger of your 'non-triggger' hand. Use your 'trigger' hand to load the pellet, and draw back and hold to aim. Shoot to kill, team.

    Who says you don't learn any life skills at school?

    Alex Webb
    Adult Delinquent
    alexwebb@eisa.net.au

  • I have a Nerf-crossbow, the strings on it broke, but it still works fine.
    I have found that to get some nerf guns to shoot twice as far, use a piece of tape over the hole near the end of the barrel, then take a dart, pull the head off, and hot-glue a dime to it, I use it on my little sister all the time
  • I happen to be a SysOp at NerfOnline (http://www.nerfonline.net/), a recently re-opened unofficial Nerf site. Sadly, a lot of the people there are 13-year-old kiddie morons, but there are some good people there (a few of whome are 13 but intelligent. :)

    My personal favorites:
    Lock n' Load - Modified, this is *the best* pistol-style weapon out there. Great range, extremely short reload time. Cons: Discontinued, VERY difficult to find. (I got lucky in Canada.)

    SuperMAXX 1500 - 4-shot sniper weapon of doom if you replace the barrels with 1/2-inch Sched. 40 PVC pipe and load micros down said barrels. Can also shoot the original SM ammo well, and megas reasonably well, also the venerable homemade Stefan dart. (Careful, tho - Stefans in a supercharged 1500 can put dents in doors. I'd stick with micros or SM darts when indoors.) Discontinued, but only recently and still relatively easy to find.

    SuperMaxx 250/350 - Throw away the darts that come with it, use micros, and stretch the spring if you can. Best used as a backup weapon.

    I also own:
    Power Clip - Great for the fear factor, but you're fucked as soon as those 10 darts are out. Reload time is horrible. Can only shoot micros, and eats them like anything.

    Splitfire - Replacing the barrels with PVC and plugging the pressure release valve (end of the plunger) with glue is a necessity. After this it can compete somewhat with the LnL. Like the 1500, can shoot a wide variety of ammo, but not nearly as far. Also, it's unreliable. A combination of a leaky pump valve and a diaphragm-style trigger system (A small loss of pressure in the air tank causes the rest of the air to be released in the barrel.) have rendered one of the two barrels of my SF inoperable.

    My wishlist:
    Crossbow. (Yeah, right... They're impossible to find nowadays...)

    Big Bad Bow - Nearly as good as the X-bow, it looks like these are getting re-released. (They've reappeared on nerf.com) Some people on NerfOnline have come up with an excellent breech-loading barrel modification for this.

    Oh, in the case of both of the bow weapons - modify them to fire darts instead of arrows.
  • You know, not *everything* is about oddly coloured crustaceans.

    In this case, it was a guy who drummed along to Salsa music. And we didn't have proper desks, but tables connected to the cube wall, so his drumming made my monitor wobble. And there were the loud conferences right outside my cubicle. And the people who sat on another coworkers table and made my monitor bounce even more. And the lousy ventilation that meant everybody had fans, most of which were improperly shielded so my monitor kept wobbling even when nobody was drumming or sitting on tables. And the ceiling ventilator that gave off a horrible high pitched screech all the time.

    And that's not even starting in on the problems with the management and project direction...
  • Prank warz. 'nuff said.

    Buy 1 box ex-lax. Buy 1 box Quality Street Chocolates. Eat chocolates, saving wrappers. Wrap ex-lax. Let your imagination take you from here.

    Or, bring a bottle of tobasco sauce to work. Unattended coffee cups and yet-unused teabags make great targets.

    As I am currently involved in an ongoing dispute, I would appreciate any and all suggestions for amusing (non-destructive) pranks that I may play on my cubemates.
  • I've got to try and find the bastard first. I'll have a look when I get home tonight.

    Any suggestions as to where I can post the picture on the web. I don't have my own web page and don't think my boss would be too happy if I /.ed his server over this.

  • Garlic juice has been particularly successful for/from me as a drink additive.

    Another alternative, albeit much slower, is the burial by junk mail. Find all the mail in reply cards you can and send them with your targets name and office address. This one is truly a gift that keeps on giving.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    A former coworker who will forever be known around this office as "The Bruce", (think delusions of grandeur) was chastizing me for my poor technique (his was even worse) and was determined to show me the proper technique for firing a rubber band across the office.

    He promptly shot himself in the eye.

    We never let him forget that.

  • Did something very similar with sucker/lollipop sticks -- the rolled paper kind, not the hollow plastic ones -- cut into half inch pieces, with a pin through the centre, blown through a ballpoint pen barrel.

    Also (though not at school) had some fibreglass tubes about 4ft long with inner diameter about 3/8 inch. Push-pins (the ones with the large cylinderish handles, like the cross-section of a rail) fired through would stick nicely in walls and similarly soft things.

  • The X-bow - The strings do *nothing* - Most serious Nerfers saw off all the "bow" parts, because they add useless bulk. All the power is in an internal spring.

    People also will put rubber bands on the plunger, which (unlike the strings) *will* add power.

    The dart you describe is *very* similar to a "Stefan" dart.

    Stefan dart is:
    5/8-in. foam backing rod cut to the approx. length of a dart. (Or in many cases, shorter - they seem to fly better.)
    Lead weight (fishing sinker) hot-glued into a hole in the front.
    For a bit of added safety, I add a felt pad over the top of the weight.
  • Here in Oz we've only just got Nerf. I've purchased the Pp(l)itFire and PowerClip. One secretary has already asked to borrow the small one. The locals can't believe the PowerClip, unfortunately it makes too much noise. I've taken them both home and probably won't bring them back to work. I work for losers, sure, but I'm the only one with any sense of fun. Firing a Nerf gun in the presence of all but one of our directors will probably result in immediate dismissial, or worse -- a really long lecture full of mangled cliches and bad analogies.
  • by Why Should I ( 247317 ) on Tuesday November 14, 2000 @04:03PM (#623712) Homepage

    I once got dared to make a working weapon out of things that could be found in the office. I wasn't allowed to use anything from outside the office at all (not the materials, nor the tools to build it), and I had to do it in an hour.

    I ended up building a miniture cross-bow that shot real life arrows a distance of about 2 meters on a relatively true path.

    It worked so well that Above my desk there would be a collection of about half a dozen projectiles stuck in the pinboard-like ceiling panels.

    How did I make it?

    Basically it was constructed out of the metal clips used to hold together reams of paper which have been punched to fit in a ring binder. You know the things that go where the rings in a ring binder would usually go.

    The clip was made out of aluminium and came in 3 parts.

    • The binder pice - A long flat piece with points on either end. This was used as the actual rings in the ring binder. Each end was bent up to make it into a 'U' shape, and these ends were inserted into the holes in the paper. this was used as the cross section of the bow.
    • The sleeve pice - Another shorter piece which had the side edges bent up and around to make a sort of sleeve for the first piece. It also had 2 holes at either side where the binder piece would go through. used as the 'barrel' of the weapon.
    • The lock in piece - a flat pice of metal the same length of the sleeve which was used to slide into the sleeve piece and cover the ends of the binder piece (which were bent flat against the sleeve after being inserted in the holes). these were the projectiles.

    I had to find a way to attach the cross sectoin to the barrel. I did this by using a hammered out T-Clip. I then attached a rubber band across the cross section of the bow, cut arrow heads into the projectiles and wolla... A miniture cross bow.

  • I work for a company that has no sense of fun whatsoever!

    I get up regularly to stretch, and I look out across the top of the cubes, and there's nothing... I expect, with all the times I've looked, that I would at least see someone else looking out across as well, but no! It's a barren wasteland of... productivity? Perhaps...

    The "director of web communications" or whatnot *does* have a decent little collection of nerf weaponry, however... I have yet to see any in action, though.

    My one consolation is bagel day... On thursdays we get free bagels and muffins. I tend to average two bagels and two muffins. I think most people only take one item, which is strange to me...

    I don't understand my coworkers! They don't look around over the cubes and they don't take full advantage of the free food! Ah well, it's nothing more than a time-filler for me, right now. When I get a real job, I'll be sure it's fun...
  • ...I was tempted to use a Glock 9mm on a few of my more obnoxious cow orkers. That's why I went to work at a place with real offices, with doors and windows.
  • Wow, Airsoft weaponry in the office. I'm very supprised at this one. Are there any sort of rules/requirements for this? Some airsoft guns can propell the 6mm BBs faster than 500FPS. I personaly have a Air-powered P99. That thing feels like someone just whapped you with a really powerfull rubber band (not something i'd want while i'm sitting there typing). I've also got a spring powered one. That one just feels like someone flicked you (just an annoyance while typing).

    What kind are you allowed to have in the office?

    -Tim
  • I get up regularly to stretch, and I look out across the top of the cubes, and there's nothing... I expect, with all the times I've looked, that I would at least see someone else looking out across as well, but no! It's a barren wasteland of... productivity? Perhaps...

    If you tried that at my company, you'd most likely be nailed in the head by the big brother of the flyingtorpedos mentioned above. (Sorry, no URL, the guy who orders them for us has already gone home.) We played with them so much that most of them broke so we sent in another order. Our VP of engineering matched us up to $100 worth and our Den Mother bought us another case. We're looking at ~200 rockets arriving next week.

    Of course we have our fair share of Nerf guns. There's a Ping Pong Ball Burp gun a couple cubes down. My solution for self defense has been camoflage netting over the top of my cube. At least that keeps out the indirect fire. Not much you can do about a WildFire firing squad.

    We're currently trying to come up with a design for a belt-fed Nerf gun. And somehow we still manage to bring our projects in on schedule.

  • Yes, that's right. Choclate. Get Hershey's miniatures, Kisses, or Chunks. Wait until your target is intent on the monitor, and heave one full bore at the monitor, not his or her head. You can often induce heart failure, and your little gift is either eaten, or returned, the next time you're intently looking for a bug in some chunk of code...
  • by Rude Turnip ( 49495 ) <valuation.gmail@com> on Tuesday November 14, 2000 @05:33PM (#623718)
    Instead of weapons, we use words. A Nerf arrow to the head may surprise you for a moment, but a series of well-placed demeaning cracks can cripple one's self worth for weeks.

    Other than that, we go into the Pine Barrens each year and shoot one another with paintballs. About a year ago, a colleague and myself each had windowless offices. Somebody with a window had just left the company and we were both asking if we could have it. Our president suggested that we fight it out with paintball guns. Luckily, a more senior person came to the firm and got the office, so no one had to get bruised.
  • Where I work, we just use rubber bands. They don't cost anything, ammunition is unlimited (supply closet) and they're quiet enough not to disturb anyone talking on the phone or (god forbid) trying to get some work done. If you use the thick ones, or several smaller ones tied together you can inflict some decent damage too.
  • We play weekly (used to be daily) Quake 3 deathmatches in the office and have set up our own publicly-addressable Quake server so we can blow each other to bits from home on off hours and weekends.
  • AK-47 when you absolutely, positively have to kill evry last motherfucka in the room, accept no substitues --N.W.A.
  • I've found that the vortex guns by koosh are the best (safe) weapon for cube fights. The vortex may take longer to load, but you can't beet the accuracy or distance you get out of one.

    /ZL
  • Say no more -- this gun makes you the baddest prairie dog on the farm. Full auto with 20 microdarts means never having to say you're sorry. :-)
  • And if you can find the Crossman "extended arm" model so much the better. If you have a dog or two around the office there's not even any trouble about cleanup.
  • A co-worker routinely came in late and would sneak in. Once he was settled, he would pretend he'd been there all along. One day, we set up a series of booby traps for him using the party poppers that explode when you pull them apart.

    Back door opened ...BAM!
    Pulled his chair out from under his desk...BAM!
    Came storming into my empty office (I was the obvious culprit...)BAM!

    Didn't break him of the habit of sloughing off but it's been fun ever since talking about how things tend to explode around him..

  • by human bean ( 222811 ) on Wednesday November 15, 2000 @10:47AM (#623726)
    The day after I stepped out of my office and was barraged with enough Nerf and rubber bands to cover the hallway floor. Declared my and the general manager's offices as UN inspectable, to be verified weapons free.

    I was impressed, however, at the ingenuity some of the guys had worked up. One individual had run a compressed air line up from the shop and attached it to the back of a Nerfball gun. The other favorite was frozen Nerf, where a Nerf (or other foam) whatever was soaked down in freeze spray and then launched, slipped, stuffed, dropped, or otherwise planted on unsuspecting victims.

  • Yup mostly rubber bands. Strangley enough our office is a bunch of geeks and one the woman who saves our lives doing all the non geek stuff that has to get done is the one who starts all the rubber band wars. Oh I almost forgot, it snowed her last christmas err that is to say we had a marshmallow fight.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    We do the same at our office. Rubber bands...Lots of them! Many moons ago, as rubber bands from mail were used, they'd all be stuffed into an envelope, and returned to the print shop (who handles our mail). We later found out they had so many rubber bands, they usually threw them away! So, we kept them!

    Our secretary, though, has taken up a new hobby--she has made a large solid ball of rubber bands. It's currently about halfway between the size of a large softball and a basketball, and growing. And it bounces quite nicely...plus we're on the second floor. Fortunately, our department has the area directly beneath us, so nobody runs out in a panic at the loud *THUMP* *THUMP!* *THUMP!!!*.

    We also have a love for the REALLY big rubber bands. We used to shoot them at some pieces of poster-sized tablet paper we had written on taped up to our cubicle walls. The things would just shred the paper. Plus, our secretary gets a bit miffed about it...all of her decorations on her cabinets often become very enticing targets!

  • by ideut ( 240078 )
    last post baby
  • If you are lucky enuff to be stuck with a bunch of other contractors who are as bored as you are in a maddening computer room full of noisy fans, and if the false floor is not carpeted and you have chairs with wheels... Then a certain endorphin related to the neuropeptides might kick in and get you to grab the nearest screwdriver and challenge your friends in a screwdriver joust. I know it sounds barbaric and completely stupid, but the chairs rarely go to where you want them to go in the first place and seldom with enuff momentum to cause major injuries on the opponent. It kinda hurts, but the exitment this game brings make you unaware of this. But I guess you need a couple of years of exposure to HP-UX or VMS to get to that desperate stage. HP-9000 front panels make excellent shields, but beware when you push them back in the servers as you might push the power button with it and draw the attention of 200 other employees.

    You can use plastic rulers in the first weeks if the screwdriver thing scares you.

  • That's great! I assume you take the pull-strip out of the crackers, and tape them (duct tape?) between, for example, the desk and the chair. I will be sure to pick up a box of cheap xmas crackers as soon as possible! Thanx! :)
  • One of the guys here has an arsenal from ThinkGeek, including the 20+ shot auto fire, and the 6 shot semi-auto koosh gun that fires those rings a good 50 feet or more in a straight line. Plus a whole variety of smaller pistol-sized items. The problem is that they're all too noisy! Emptying a clip at somebody is usually met with a complaint to our boss and we have to stop playing.

    I remember the boss told us "After 5pm only." Then the very next day I heard the unmistakable sounds of gunfire at about 2pm. I yelled from the office "After 5, guys!" It continued. "I thought we were going to wait until after 5!" Still, continued. I walk out of my office and into the arsenal cube to see that the boss himself has brought his 7yr old son to work today and he is now shooting every gun in sight with great glee.

  • Give us pictures!

    Heck, just plop it on a scanner if you have to.

  • As mentioned in an earlier Slashdot article, [slashdot.org] the Mattel Agent Zero M 5530 Sonic Blaster is my weapon of choice for silencing my critics. From the Consumer Reports page, [consumerreports.org] The Mattel Agent Zero M Sonic Blaster 5530 fires compressed air with a deafening blast. Our measurements top out at 157 dB-above a level that can do permanent damage to the hearing of an adult.

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